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I couldn't help myself. This phone seems perfect so i ordered a diamond that will arrive tommorow. Now my question is if anyone thinks the bands for US are present and need to be unlocked or if this will end up on ebay . Thanks!
There's several topics about it there.
You won't get any 3G in the US with it, and you'll only be able to use the 1900 band for voice/GPRS/EDGE.
Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
You just said i was incorrect and correct in the same paragraph lol
This is where all the confusion starts.. For GSM/GPRS/EDGE it does 900/1800/1900 MHz - only 1900 would work in the US. For UMTS (3G) it only does 900/2100 - neither of these frequencies are used in the US.
The protocols and modulation used are completly different for GSM/GPRS/EDGE vs UMTS. The dispersal of uplink and downlink frequencies is completly different. Just because it can do 1900 for GSM doesnt mean it should do 1900 UMTS.
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Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?
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So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?
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You should get edge. Edge is an extention of GPRS but requires a different BTS (radio tower) setup. Its possible you don't have a strong enough signal, but it sounds like your confident you should have edge in that area.
The only thing i can suggest it to try in a different area - like the centre of town. Also, confirm your APN is setup corectly, the [G] may just be telling you GPRS is available, but not that you can attach.
I know with my elfin it takes a little stronger signal to initiate the Edge icon the first time (ie. after a hard reset). I can't get an edge signal inside my office but once I walk outside for a minute or two, bam I have it. Then when I go inside I still have it.
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Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area
The platform in the phone can support all those bands, so you might be able to see them (like in the test rom) but the antennas are not there. So you won't actually be able to pick up a signal.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area
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I guess all of us US early adopters must hope the hardware is there and can be enabled with a future flash.
T-mobile in the US uses 1900mhz for GSM/Edge and only has 3g in NYC, so I'm figuring that it's a cool stop-gap device until something is available for T-mobile 3G.
so anyone have the rom that had thoose bands....
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so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?
On AT&T it will give you only GPRS! On Tmobile (NEW) it shows EDGE!! I dont understand this at all!
Praygo said:
so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?
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Voice and EDGE will work just fine as long as you are in a major area that uses 1900 band. You might have weak or no signal when you are in smaller rural areas since those usually extend into the 850 band.
You will not be able to use 3G since the Diamond only supports 900/2100, neither of which are used by AT&T
It looks like if you have ATT you are hosed for both voice and data, as most of ATT voice and data (Edge) is 850mhz. Most if not all of T-mobile voice-data-Edge is 1900mhz so you will have at least Edge. If you're looking for 3g data you're SOL until the US version of the diamond is released.
this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.
martyotaku said:
this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Praygo said:
We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.
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Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).
AGREED 100%!! I have been saying this on my podcast for quite a while.. It is a huge mistake. I am now saying since I just received my Diamond that I took one for the team.. I will post my review as the days go by...
SIGHHHH
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I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).
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Hi!
I was looking foward to replace my X1a for a X2a.
My question: Is this a X2a or X2i?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Smartpho...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1265734518&sr=8-1
Cheers.
"Supports GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900"
I think the 850Mhz band support would mean it's X2a as only USA use that band as far as I know
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"Supports GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900"
I think the 850Mhz band support would mean it's X2a as only USA use that band as far as I know
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it could be an x2i as well. these are just the gsm-bands, which almost every phone supports. (it's called "quadband")
they differ in the supported 3g-bands: i-version = 900+2100, the a-version would support 1700 for 3g (and i think 900 as 3g as well).
another thing:
the X1a was somehow limited in video-recording compared to the X1i, the reason being some patent-restrictions in the US. i think it had something to do with limited video-framerate. but that's not stated either. (using the same qualcomm-cpu it should be the same for the X2)
so, you can't tell from the info on amazon. ask the shop to be sure?
Jolo_ said:
Hi!
I was looking foward to replace my X1a for a X2a.
My question: Is this a X2a or X2i?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Smartpho...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1265734518&sr=8-1
Cheers.
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I'm pretty sure the X2a has been released yet, so my guess is X2i. The bands are the gsm bands as mentioned above, so they don't tell you which it is. Additionally, like with the X1, I wouldn't be suprised if most just called the european version the X2, and only differentiated when actually mentioning the american "a" version.
I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.
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The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.
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The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...
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The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...
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The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's
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The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's
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Thanks, googlesax. That's the type of answer I was looking for.
The 9193 and 8585 are same size, the T-Mo US version is the only one that is sized differently, and it's 1.5mm taller, like the poster above said. Anything that works with euro hd2 (t8585) will work with yours. Have fun with your new hd2, it's a great device.
More than one version of T9193?
I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.
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I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.
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There's only one hd2 with the 850 3g band, and that's the t9193 telstra branded phone. The T-Mobile phone is not a t9193 and does not have 850 band.
Gprs and edge work on the same frequency as their voice service... even if they drop the 1900 MHz frequency, they will still have edge and gprs. It doesn't make sense that they could get rid of it altogether... that would ruin a ton of their old phones people are still using on their service. They wouldn't do that.
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Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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The T-Mobile US is not a t8585... the t8585 is the European model and has same size and specs as t9193. The T-Mobile US is a third model that came out months later than the other 2 models. It is slightly taller and had 1gb of ROM (internal NAND memory) while the 8585 & 9193 have 512mb ROM. The RAM size is actually the same on all the models, but on the 8585&9193 you must unlock part of it by flashing a more recent radio. So basically, all the models are the same except that the T-Mobile USA HD2 has double the ROM size, which is nice, but isn't that big of a deal.
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Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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I'm in Delaware and I'm getting really good 3G coverage. My only regret is not getting this phone sooner.
Doesn't the T-Mobile version have the HSDPA 1700/2100MHz band and the initial HTC HD2 has HSDPA 900/2100Mhz band? Because the trouble i am getting in New Zealand is that i get poor reception indoors with the T-mobile variant which i got from the states which is what i suspect to be the missing 900mhz band which is supposed to be able to penetrate better through walls hence giving better indoor reception.
Hi alls, I wish I had better news to bring. The good news is, as expected, the 2X runs stock Froyo.
Now the kicker: as you are all probably aware, At&t has gobbled up T-mobile. This means that when the transition is complete (expected a year to 18 months from now) At&t will drop T-Mobile's 3G bands to EDGE.
It may not affect some owners but for me, I usually keep a device until a big hardware refresh comes about- like a quad-core chip. I'm skipping the 2x for the Galaxy II or the Optimus 3D. I was on the verge of owning this...
Luckily the normal 2X do support UMTS 1900 (one of the 3G bands AT&T use), that's why I am consider buying it off contract from other place and use it on AT&T
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Luckily the normal 2X do support UMTS 1900 (one of the 3G bands AT&T use), that's why I am consider buying it off contract from other place and use it on AT&T
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Let me understand: do you mean the non-US version of the 2x, the off-contract US retail model, or both? Thanks!
It's been reported that the G2x will support T-Mo *and* AT&T bands:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4231/lg-optimus-2x-coming-to-usa-as-tmobile-g2x-
UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA Support 1700 / 2100 (AWS) / 1900 / 850 MHz
So you can rest assured that T&A-Mobile will support the bands on your phone right through to the bitter end of HSPA over AWS, right?
Ha! I was spying Engaget & Giz all afternoon yesterday & the announcement was made @ Anand...! Thanks for the heads up!
at&t hasn't officially bought T-Mobile yet -_-
An acquisition of this magnitude might not even be legal, it has to be approved by the FCC and the DOJ
Just checked the specs on this new phone on the T-Mobile spec sheet that was posted on T-MO News ad and that device supports both T-Mobile and AT&T's 3G Networks. I had to recheck it over 10 times during the day in case it was a miss print and they are still posted.
Has anyone else found any news that is different???
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Just checked the specs on this new phone on the T-Mobile spec sheet that was posted on T-MO News ad and that device supports both T-Mobile and AT&T's 3G Networks. I had to recheck it over 10 times during the day in case it was a miss print and they are still posted.
Has anyone else found any news that is different???
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Yes, this says different. (Dang it, I can't post links. Search on Engadget.com for "T-Mobile G2x lacks quadband HSPA+, shatters dreams")
That said, I'm still curious to find out if anybody else has tried the the 2X or the G2x on AT&T yet. I'm not smart enough to understand what the lack of 850 3G means. Is that an upload speed? So would I be able to download zippily on the 2100 Mhz band but my upload would take forever?
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Yes, this says different. (Dang it, I can't post links. Search on Engadget.com for "T-Mobile G2x lacks quadband HSPA+, shatters dreams")
That said, I'm still curious to find out if anybody else has tried the the 2X or the G2x on AT&T yet. I'm not smart enough to understand what the lack of 850 3G means. Is that an upload speed? So would I be able to download zippily on the 2100 Mhz band but my upload would take forever?
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Further adding:
I'm interested in potentially buying the Optimus 2X (900/1900/2100 UMTS) not the G2x (1700/2100 UMTS). Anybody able to explain why the 2X may not work with AT&T, or share experience with it working?
The 2x will give you 3G on only the 1900 band with At&t, and not on the 850 band. So your 3G coverage will be worse than phones designed for the carrier. It will not get 3G on T-mobile.
You may as well just wait for the "Thrill 4G".
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what are the speed test for this phone on tmobile?
and so if it dosent get 3g will it be getting edge?
Just in case someone finds this thread again, the G2X DOES NOT support *any* AT&T 3G frequencies:
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/04/27/...-quad-band-hspa-plus-won-t-work-with-at-t-3g/
It was a screw-up by T-Mobile to say it did.
I wanted to get an inspire 4g but the crappy battery life and almost impossible to remove battery cover (for using an extra battery) turns me off so i was thinking of getting the incredible s but my provider uses 850/1900 3g bands , has a model with those working bands been announced?
well gsmarena suggests that this phone already has the ability to use those 3g bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_incredible_s-3788.php
Rather unhelpfully HTC's own website only lists "AWS" as a band rather than specifying the frequencies used (though i think they may be).
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/incredibles/specification.html
Best option is probably to ask someone who's out there though i think there's been success in using this in the USA.
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well gsmarena suggests that this phone already has the ability to use those 3g bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_incredible_s-3788.php
Rather unhelpfully HTC's own website only lists "AWS" as a band rather than specifying the frequencies used (though i think they may be).
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/incredibles/specification.html
Best option is probably to ask someone who's out there though i think there's been success in using this in the USA.
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what the hell is aws? i checked gsm and looks like it could work, it says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 - North America
I hope someone in the us can confirm this!
Just got this off my INC s:
the radio freq bands mine is allowing
"8.GSM_DCS_1800"
"9.GSM_EGSM_900"
"24.GSM_850"
"26.GSM_PCS_1900"
"27.WCDMA_I_IMT_2000"
"30.WCDMA_IV_1700"
"34.WCDMA_VIII_900"
The specs for the Incredible S says basically it won't work for the provider that your using. The Bell is rumored to receive the device which means if that happened, that specific model will have the 3G bands you desire. It's supposed to be released on April 4th. It's a rumor though so don't get your hopes up.
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The specs for the Incredible S says basically it won't work for the provider that your using. The Bell is rumored to receive the device which means if that happened, that specific model will have the 3G bands you desire. It's supposed to be released on April 4th. It's a rumor though so don't get your hopes up.
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As an employee of one of Bell's dealer stores I can certify that it's in our system but there's no release date yet.
Bell uses 3G 850/1900 HSPA bands only for their service.
Yes Bell does release this model for sure on April 4
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