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Has anyone spent any time comparing these two apps?
I really like Moxier. Even though it doesn't give you direct view access to your contacts or calendar, it does sync them and allow you to access your contacts from within an email and it gives you calendar alerts in your notification bar.
Touchdown has great support. It allows direct view of contacts and calendar.
Both support activesync push.
Right now, I'm trying to determine which one I'll be paying for.
The battery life seems to be a little bit better with Touchdown, but I can't say for certain.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Been usin' TD for about 5 months now, since the early betas, and it never ceases to impress me.
Yeah, I've been using TD off and on for the last few weeks.
I decided to test Moxier the other day when they sent me an email about the limited release.
I like Moxier in a lot of ways but I'm convinced it's not as refined as TD and it tears my battery down where TD doesn't appear to affect it at all.
I think I will be sticking with TD.
I do wish that handled folders as well as Moxier but all in all, I think TD is a better product.
Thanks for the input.
Just got notified of TD 3.0 today. Seems cool so far. Not sure what's change exactly. Something about accelerated push.
Touchdown is way better than moxier. Te mere fact that you can select multiple emails for deletion is worth it.
I love the synching of everyhtign else as well.
Calender, contacs.
Yes, touchdown kicks ass on Moxier.
Moxier has the ability to do what you are asking. Multiple selects to move, archive, delete etc.
I am using Moxier Pre Release because TD won't handle my mailbox (not sure why).
It does do a number on the battery and I would not purchase it until that gets fixed. It also seems to be turning push on all the time. Service keeps reloading itself and that may be linked to the battery issue. Moxier team has some work to do, definitely. But don't count them out just yet, there's some things that they are definite doing right.
Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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I tried it. It won't let me trust my self-signed cert so I can't use it yet.
I think TD is still the best bet. I just wish it would let me download the current content of select folders instead of only what is new. That's the one thing Moxier does that nothing else so far can do.
Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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i prefer to have a fullty functional, stable working phone with myfaves.
I mostly agree with Henchman.
I don't mind being on the bleeding edge to some extent, but with certain apps still not working with the Haykuro builds and htc exchange apparently fubar'ing calander entries, I'm inclined to wait just a little bit longer.
I am tempted every day though. I may bite the bullet and do it anyway, I just haven't reached that point yet.
Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Well, I went ahead and flashed theDude's version even without exchange support. I just hope that it gets added soon. Right now, this is just a solid build and I'll live without exchange for a while longer if I have to.
i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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Don't hold your breath.
I flashed the Haykuro update, and yes, it does exchange.
But the email client is still as lame as ever.
No multiple email selects to delete multiple emails.
Is there a way to extract that exchange program from Haykuros version so that we can use it on other 1.5 versions?
Been using MailShadow since the beginning.
Prefer it over TouchDown as it syncs all your exchange data with Gmail (contacts/calendar/email) so you get to use the built in Google apps. It's also better since it makes your ENTIRE exchange mailbox available via the gmail app.... all your folders (labels), etc. I do have TouchDown as a backup though just in case.
Only downside is that it needs to run on a desktop computer at all times to sync- doesn't matter to me though as my computer is always on.
Haykuro new ADP1.5Hr4
Upcoming features in ADP1.5Hr4:
+ Newer SuperUser app
+ HTC E-Mail client. (Exchange support should work.. more info on this feature as i progress)
+ Based on newer firmware.
Had both.
Moxier has too many bugs. Contacts with "work"-numbers not getting synced. Force closes if you click on the header of a mail.
No notification if a new mail is in a folder (have set up some rules on the server to see important mails directly).
Notification itself is crap. If you open Moxier directly, not through the statusbar, the icon will never disappear.
TD is working way better..
Support of Moxier is worst. Takes weeks to get any information..
TouchDown gave me a free license since I am a T-Mo employee so I use TouchDown....and I really like it.
Hi,
I am thinking of creating an Android Exchange client as I am yet to find a 100% suitable one for my G1.
I currently use TouchDown which works acceptably, but I dont think the interface is particularly in keeping with the standard Android theme. It also seems to duplicate many aspects of the G1 features (calander etc) - why not integrate?
So I was wondering if anyone had some experience of programming (I do, before someone asks) in particular with Exchange history if possible, as I could do with some help and I am all for helping the Android community.
I haven't decided yet if the app will be FOSS or closed source, but if I were to charge it would be around the 1GBP mark - I'm not trying to pay the mortgage off, but something to reimburse the time spent is always nice. Maybe a lite version for free etc.
PM me if you are interested in helping out, I will probably setup a Google Code project or something.
Rich
I am not a programmer (sorry), but I just want to say there is definitely a market for good Exchange apps. The company I work for switched to G1s recently and we bought a few Touchdown licenses just for ActiveSync. I personally hate the TouchDown interface (sorry devs, you're nice and all but I am a fan of design as well as function!). If something was created that could do TouchDown's job (or better) and fit in with Android better, you'd have some people interested for sure.
rich,
I may be interested in working on this. I just got my ADP1, and have barely started playing with it. I'm still running touchdown under the free trial period.
Exchange sync is built into Android 2.0. I haven't played with a droid, so I don't know if it's implemented more like you're talking about or not, but that's certainly worth looking into before developing from scratch.
I know that the 2.0 build should support it, however most Exchange interfaces dont work on our setup
We use a different port for the SSL connection and this seems to break most Exchange implementations (excluding TouchDown). Is the Exchange support in the AOSP Email app?? Or is it like the HTC version?
I would find this very useful. As already said we have many G1 and Magic out there using Work Email and Touchdown....
My problem with a couple of the exchange syncs is they don't include Calendars and Contacts. What good is That? When they say Work Email they mean just that, email.
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Hi,
I am thinking of creating an Android Exchange client as I am yet to find a 100% suitable one for my G1.
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Hope you have the cash to buy an Activesync Exchange license. That is unless you're planning on using OWA , in which case I doubt folks would pay for an Exchange client without push.
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I know that the 2.0 build should support it, however most Exchange interfaces dont work on our setup
We use a different port for the SSL connection and this seems to break most Exchange implementations (excluding TouchDown). Is the Exchange support in the AOSP Email app?? Or is it like the HTC version?
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I have tried the xROM based on the 2.0 AOSP and the mail client supports MS Exchange contacts and calender included.
I would certainly be very interested, especially if you managed to support exchange categories. Touchdown on my HTC Hero (v1.5) certainly doesnt, and neither does the built in HTC activesync program.
Ideally I want to have a month view calendar with the different calendar events shown on a daily timeline with a colour I can choose for each calendar category.
As far as I can find, I dont think that any of the current android/exchange syncing options even support or mention exchange categories!!!
The 2.0 email app is fully configurable to support exchange, you can change ports and ssl settings. Works perfectly.
There are a few issues that I have with the exchange solutions for Android.
1. Touchdown works, but I hate that it does not integrate into the existing framework. I know it can be done, look at SenseUI from HTC. Almost perfect! Just runs like crap on MyTouch.
2. Lack of integration (touched on point 1, but needed to be said).
3. Lack of full features. Seriously, WHY is there NO WAY to tell it what times to sync and what times not too. I don't need to get EVERY email that is sent between 10pm and 5am and then have my phone sqwaking all night. This bugs me about GMail data sync, I have to MANUALLY shut it off... ugh... Touchdown does this, SenseUI does not...
Anyway, a working, full featured integrated application would be worth paying for. Talk about enterprise licensing... People would be all over that... trust me...
Thanks,
I think I read somewhere that HTC Sync will not work with the CM6 ROM running froyo. Is there an application that will sync my outlook contacts and calendar appointments with that ROM? Is there a different 2.2 ROM that would better suit my needs? I am kind of lost without my appointment book, but I really want to change up the ROM to check out the new features.
why not just sync your outlook to your google account? isn't it kind of lame that your contacts and calendar were only syncing when you plugged a usb cable into one specific computer?
since your on outlook, are you talking to an exchange server? because I think android has built in exchange syncing.
and its unlikely there will be a 2.2 rom featuring sense any time soon if ever.
Last I heard they were waiting for the legend to get 2.2 with sense before they could attempt to get it on the hero. I love having google calendars
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So i love the captivate for phone calls, web, movies and other things, but when it comes to email and calendar it sort of sucks. Samsung just did a poor job. In email, deletes take forever (even with lag fix); read messages are hard to see because the transparency is whacked; calendar doesn't let me edit an event I created on the PC; no subfolders under inbox, etc.
I don't care about security - that is I don't need an APK with security removed or reduced, I just want better email.
Besides buying Touchdown do i have any options? K-9 doesn't do true push.
I was hoping we would see vanilla 2.2 ROM that used what Google was building in for Calendar and Exchange, but not yet. S
Suggestions? Anyone else as frustrated as me?
So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?
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So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?
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nope. i use touchdown
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nope. i use touchdown
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Yeah, but it still has some lag. I think i may be finally ready to throw in the towel on the Captivate. The form factor is great, the screen is great, and as a phone it is great; But even with the lagfix, it still takes time to open or manage anything with a decent database behind it. Samsung really made some dumb design choices.
I think i will give it one more week and see if I can stand Touchdown.
also interested in a better email. what choice do we have?
Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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really?
your recommendation for better email and calendar is to flash a rom that has the same app as all the other roms?
sigh...
Android in general has a lousy email system. This isn't just a Samsung thing. The native email client just lacks so many of the essential features, especially for Corporate Active Sync accounts. I sure hope that Google makes some updates soon to this area on these phones. Touch down does the job but you're right, it's slow. As for K9, it does have true push technology. By configuring your account via IMAP, you can setup an IDLE connection which is Push. I have K9 set up with a couple other accounts and I receive notifications within seconds of mail hitting the server. However, K9 is full of features and if you're not familiar with it, it can take quite some time to get it set up just right for your account.
In regards to other ROMs with better email clients, I've flashed quite a few of them including Pheonix 4.5 and they're all pretty much the same. Currently I'm running Andromedia 1.1 (which is absolutely amazing), and the email client runs much better. But also, the whole phone is extremely fast. It's the only ROM that has actually put a WOW on my face in regards to performance. If you haven't tried that ROM I highly recommend it. As long as you do a clean flash from stock no bugs should be encountered. Everything just works and works fast!
Good luck!
I thought lag was the issue, sorry
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yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.
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I thought lag was the issue, sorry
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yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.
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guys,
if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
I use the Paragon 5.1 ROM and the stock email in there to connect to Hotmail that has been set up as an Exchange Active Sync partner for mail, calendar, and contacts. I can update on phone or pc and it is really instantaneous. I enter something on my phone calendar and it shows up online within 10 seconds. Same goes for adding or editing new contacts in my phonebook.
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guys,
if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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notes, tasks, proper signature support, html emails. how about when you have an event in your calendar that has a phone number it would let you tap that number to call it? yes, there are hacky ways of getting these features, but nothing all wrapped up in one package...except for touchdown. the ONLY thing i dont really like about touchdown is the interface, it needs to be more customizable or blend better with the way the rest of the phone looks, instead of sticking out like a sore thumb.
i had iphones for nearly 3 years, and i currently have an ipad also, and the email was acceptable. no, android isnt caught up to that yet, but its getting there and i completely support the push forward. i would still pick my android over going back to the iphone. you do realize that it took nearly 2 years for the iphone to get proper exchange support right? since android is basically just now getting into supporting exchange (as of version 2.0? 2.1?), we should see some good stuff on the horizon in the near future.
Op, have you tried this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821297&highlight=exchange
I have, and it has better folder support, and seems to work pretty well for ActiveSync. The folder navigation is much easier.
Use Root explorer, go into /system/app/ , rename Email.apk to Email.old and email.odex to emailodex.old, reboot, and your email app will be missing.
Just open this .apk with "my files" or any file manager, or Root explorer, and install.
See if that works better.
One place where the IPHone e-mail client works much nicer is when you have a lot of folders in your mailbox. Navigating is easier than the ultra-stupid "scroll like a madman left-and-right" method of the stock client.. I use ActiveSync as well, and I find the ActiveSync support, while improved in 2.2, can be very "kooky" for lack of a better term.
Hope that helps.
PirateGhost My friend moved the Touchdown client to the SD card and said he felt it was faster, but he's not lag-fixed or rooted, so I don't know what his frame of reference is. Might be something you could try.
I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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Looks like an interesting alternative to TouchDown.
Does it support peak/off peak sync scheduling? I looked through their market listing and their forum but I couldn't find an answer.
I just checked and it does not. It also doesn't do notes or tasks. I would say that Touch down is more robust. This app is very much like the default email app but better.
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if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...
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I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...
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do you have any idea how a rom works or what it consists of?
what you have said makes NO sense whatsoever based on that context. i have been working on andromeda in its various stages since DECEMBER. i have tried EVERY ROM available to us on both of my captivates, i have tried EVERY form of lagfix/filesystem available, even your coveted firefly....and i can tell you that it doesnt matter what rom you are on...there is a lag. im not talking about the time it takes you to get the email from the exchange server to the phone, or variances between outlook and the phone, i am talking about opening FOLDERS and emails. there is a lag in the system.... if you think otherwise, you are lying to yourself to make it all feel better.
also, how about you open up an item on your calendar (conference call for example) and tap on the phone number to dial the line....
go on....
im waiting....
unless of course you are using the AOSP email app which allows that....in that case, set yourself up a signature in your settings and REPLY to an email....see if that signature is there.
how come we cant get all these exchange features in ONE app? touchdown doesnt include them all, but its the best available right now
sorry, but exchange support is MINIMAL at best in Android, so please keep the 'this rom cured aids!!' talk out of it. i never said a custom rom wouldnt make your phone faster, i just said it doesnt help EMAIL WITH EXCHANGE
Hi,
I haven't found any support for Exchange peak, off-peak sync support.
is there any way to put it?
thanks,
Hi,
You need to have Froyo 2.2.1 where the exchange email account has a "sync schedule" option.
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Hi,
You need to have Froyo 2.2.1 where the exchange email account has a "sync schedule" option.
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As far as I know, that doesn't exist in 2.2.1. I'm running Doc's rom now (which is 2.2.1), and I don't have that feature. I've never seen that in stock Android (including Gingerbread). It does exist on 3rd party Exchange clients such as RoadSync as well as on the HTC Sense e-mail.
If I'm wrong, and I can do this on my SGS, please do correct me, because I'd love to be able to! I have a license for RoadSync, but I hate the UI
John
I use the seven email client, they call it beta but it is 100% stable. Its free and can schedule. I came across this program as it is the company that supplied samsung with the social hub email client. This is a nice unified inbox for me with the ability to work with synced folders.
I'm using Darky's Rom 9.3
The exchange mail client in it, has the setting to schedule your method of getting the emails ("push" or "manual") according to your schedule ON/OFF peak. There's a bug though --- the roaming setting is defaulted to "manual". I can't seem to change it.
So for Froyo 2.2.1 -- such on/off peak setting exists.
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As far as I know, that doesn't exist in 2.2.1. I'm running Doc's rom now (which is 2.2.1),
If I'm wrong, and I can do this on my SGS, please do correct me, because I'd love to be able to! I have a license for RoadSync, but I hate the UI
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Did you try in 2.2.1 to set up a new exchange account in the stock email program ?
I did not have this peak / off-peak in 2.1 Eclair neither in 2.2 Froyo but was happy to finally get it in the stock email program from 2.2.1 JPY stock Froyo (I also had it this function in the custom ROMs I tried : Darky's & Doc's).