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Moxier Mail vs Touchdown

Has anyone spent any time comparing these two apps?
I really like Moxier. Even though it doesn't give you direct view access to your contacts or calendar, it does sync them and allow you to access your contacts from within an email and it gives you calendar alerts in your notification bar.
Touchdown has great support. It allows direct view of contacts and calendar.
Both support activesync push.
Right now, I'm trying to determine which one I'll be paying for.
The battery life seems to be a little bit better with Touchdown, but I can't say for certain.
Anyone have any thoughts?

Been usin' TD for about 5 months now, since the early betas, and it never ceases to impress me.

Yeah, I've been using TD off and on for the last few weeks.
I decided to test Moxier the other day when they sent me an email about the limited release.
I like Moxier in a lot of ways but I'm convinced it's not as refined as TD and it tears my battery down where TD doesn't appear to affect it at all.
I think I will be sticking with TD.
I do wish that handled folders as well as Moxier but all in all, I think TD is a better product.
Thanks for the input.

Just got notified of TD 3.0 today. Seems cool so far. Not sure what's change exactly. Something about accelerated push.

Touchdown is way better than moxier. Te mere fact that you can select multiple emails for deletion is worth it.
I love the synching of everyhtign else as well.
Calender, contacs.
Yes, touchdown kicks ass on Moxier.

Moxier has the ability to do what you are asking. Multiple selects to move, archive, delete etc.
I am using Moxier Pre Release because TD won't handle my mailbox (not sure why).
It does do a number on the battery and I would not purchase it until that gets fixed. It also seems to be turning push on all the time. Service keeps reloading itself and that may be linked to the battery issue. Moxier team has some work to do, definitely. But don't count them out just yet, there's some things that they are definite doing right.

Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.

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Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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I tried it. It won't let me trust my self-signed cert so I can't use it yet.
I think TD is still the best bet. I just wish it would let me download the current content of select folders instead of only what is new. That's the one thing Moxier does that nothing else so far can do.

Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.

My_Name_Is_Neo said:
Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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i prefer to have a fullty functional, stable working phone with myfaves.

I mostly agree with Henchman.
I don't mind being on the bleeding edge to some extent, but with certain apps still not working with the Haykuro builds and htc exchange apparently fubar'ing calander entries, I'm inclined to wait just a little bit longer.
I am tempted every day though. I may bite the bullet and do it anyway, I just haven't reached that point yet.

Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.

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Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Well, I went ahead and flashed theDude's version even without exchange support. I just hope that it gets added soon. Right now, this is just a solid build and I'll live without exchange for a while longer if I have to.

i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.

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i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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Don't hold your breath.
I flashed the Haykuro update, and yes, it does exchange.
But the email client is still as lame as ever.
No multiple email selects to delete multiple emails.

Is there a way to extract that exchange program from Haykuros version so that we can use it on other 1.5 versions?

Been using MailShadow since the beginning.
Prefer it over TouchDown as it syncs all your exchange data with Gmail (contacts/calendar/email) so you get to use the built in Google apps. It's also better since it makes your ENTIRE exchange mailbox available via the gmail app.... all your folders (labels), etc. I do have TouchDown as a backup though just in case.
Only downside is that it needs to run on a desktop computer at all times to sync- doesn't matter to me though as my computer is always on.

Haykuro new ADP1.5Hr4
Upcoming features in ADP1.5Hr4:
+ Newer SuperUser app
+ HTC E-Mail client. (Exchange support should work.. more info on this feature as i progress)
+ Based on newer firmware.

Had both.
Moxier has too many bugs. Contacts with "work"-numbers not getting synced. Force closes if you click on the header of a mail.
No notification if a new mail is in a folder (have set up some rules on the server to see important mails directly).
Notification itself is crap. If you open Moxier directly, not through the statusbar, the icon will never disappear.
TD is working way better..
Support of Moxier is worst. Takes weeks to get any information..

TouchDown gave me a free license since I am a T-Mo employee so I use TouchDown....and I really like it.

Native Exchange email client(s)

I have a Vodafone Magic, thus no Exchange capability. I tried TouchDown, couldn't get it to work at all, and was on the verge of flashing my ROM in order to install something with native Exchange support until I found this thread over on the Dream forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536727
They've stripped out the Mail.apk file from the MyTouch ROM (which they found over here in Sapphire land!). The APK file installs and runs fine on my Vodafone/Google branded model using Apps Installer. You'll have a new email program called "Work Email" which will happily run side by side with the GoogleMail app or indeed the crappy built in Email app. No contacts, no calendar, but proper Exchange push email in a clean, no frills interface.
I thought I'd share this with people because it's not in an obvious place where people on the Sapphire/Magic boards would find it easily (and also so I can track it down quickly myself in the future!)
As an aside, am I right in thinking that there are several HTC-branded Exchange clients for the Magic? We've got
* "Work Email", which is a separate app, and which comes with the MyTouch flavoured Magic devices. This is email only.
* a version of the main email app which supports ActiveSync along with the more usual POP3 and IMAP, and which I believe comes with Asian market Magics. This does Contacts and Calendar.

Thats too bad you couldn't get Touchdown to work. That little app is so wonderful. It has tons of features and even supports its own set of widgets for tasks, inbox and calender.

Yes, Touchdown works great for me too. I'm 99% sure that your problem is related to incorrect settings you made (I did the same). Check out the Touchdown Google group. The TD devs answer every question, most likely the same day. Have never seen such a close support.
http://groups.google.com/group/nitrodesk
Also follow this getting started pdf, in case you didn't know it:
http://www.nitrodesk.com/tddownloads/tdstartup.pdf
Cheers,
Derek (happy user, not an employee

This is fantastic. I have touchdown working (i had to use domain\username to get it to work) but it costs $29. This is free! if the calendar can be added then that would make it perfect.

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* "Work Email", which is a separate app, and which comes with the MyTouch flavoured Magic devices. This is email only.
* a version of the main email app which supports ActiveSync along with the more usual POP3 and IMAP, and which I believe comes with Asian market Magics. This does Contacts and Calendar.
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Just like to confirm something...does the Work Email app has activesync capabilities?

Wonder if you could help me with my touchdown config..
My company us running Ms Exchange 2003 SP 2 server with a self-signed certificates. From the advance config screen, I know that the activesync status is ready. i've also loaded the client cert. I also able to see my folders from my the choose folder screen, so I assume that I've the correct configuration.
The problem is that I can't get my inbox to sync but my sent-mail folder is sync and also I'm able to sent emails..
Any hint?

i'm no longer using touchdown, so i can't check the specific settings, but have you checked the settings to make sure it is checking for new emails automatically as they arrive rather than manually or after a certain period of time?

I finally get touchdown to work after emptying my inbox folder ..

I don't see why you're all talking about Touchdown when the topic was created about the native push email support.
Back on topic, I've been using the "work email" as it comes built into Cyanogens ROMs which are of course compatible with the Magic. It works very well and I'd much prefer to use this than an installed app.

remote provisioning
You may or may not be able to connect to your exchange server using "Work Email" app. If your exchange admins require that your phone has been remotely provisioned you won't be able to use this app.
Touchdown guys sorted this out. That's why I paid the money for a great app. Worth every cent.

better email program??

I switched to this phone (HTC Hero) from the Palm Pre and while the Pre had its issues it had some pluses over this phone. One being the email program. I know yahoo sux and all but this is my primary email for business and for some reason this phone constantly gives a login error when trying to get mail from it. WHY?? Also there is no push email? And is there or will there be swipe delete available, ever? I am new here and searched for emails before making this thread and nothing related came back. Thanks for any info

The "Google Mail" program (the one with the red and white envelope as an icon) does IMAP-IDLE/Push Mail. The HTC "Mail" program (the one with the mailbox as an icon) does not.
K-9 or k9mail also does Push mail (IMAP-IDLE). You can find it in the market or at http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/ . It also shows the error messages if something goes wrong, so you have a chance to correct your settings.

thanks, I appreciate the help. I don't see the option for push email in the google envelope, but I will try the other

Google doesn't call it push, its in settings>data synchronization>google>auto sync
I've tried for the last week to get the HTC mail apps to get mail pushed but resigned myself to just using the gmail app, which works great for push mail.

Google Mail seems to be most reliable for quick mail delivery, if you're stuck with a Yahoo account for business reasons you can set Yahoo Mail to auto-forward to Google Mail and then your Hero can download it from there. You can even set your reply-to address to Yahoo so it's transparent to the person emailing you.

that, or open a gmail account and have it pull stuff from yahoo, bypass yahoo all together and have either gmail activesync or htc mail checking in intervals

He shouldn't have to do this. The phone should come with a good built in mail client... The iPhone has a good mail client that can use Push GMAIL, Mobile Me etc... as well as Exchange support and iMap and Pop3 support... If HTC is going to ship phones with their own software on a device that goes outside of what is provided through the OS and Google then they should ensure the quality of that software.

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He shouldn't have to do this. The phone should come with a good built in mail client... The iPhone has a good mail client that can use Push GMAIL, Mobile Me etc... as well as Exchange support and iMap and Pop3 support... If HTC is going to ship phones with their own software on a device that goes outside of what is provided through the OS and Google then they should ensure the quality of that software.
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What's wrong with K9 mail? Half the reason for having such an open platform is so that developers can create their own apps and so that there is a variety of choices for end users.
People keep comparing Android phones to the iPhone without understanding that they're VERY different platforms. One is highly customizable and extensible (Android) and the other is locked down to being the same worldwide (iPhone.)

Extensibility should never come at the price of reliability and quality. BTW there are other email Apps made for the iPhone that work very well. I was just pointing out that if you're going to bundle your software and sell your product at a premium it should be good software and not works some times under certain conditions and when the stars align just right. They are different platforms yes, but quality is quality regardless of open or closed (or perceived closed... you still have to root your phone to do a a alot of this customization you speak of which is no different than jailbreaking an iPhone if you want to be objective about it). You shouldn't have to rely on third party developers to make an app because your built in app isn't exceptional quality. If you package it with your product you should be stamping and standing by the quality of your product. Developers should add new features and apps that do things better than your existing app sure, but not because your software isn't up to snuff but because your product has already set a high standard and the developers can work hard to hit or even exceed that standard. If you have to cut some features to ensure that the features that are there are done REALLY REALLY well then so be it. Quality over quantity any day. This isn't a rail on Android as an OS as much as it is a rail on HTC for charging a premium for their phones because they package their own software with the phone that 'kinda works'. Why charge that premium and add your software to an already good phone OS if you're not going to make sure it works perfectly with industry standard features out of the box.

Google <-> Nuevasync <-> Touchdown calendar contact email sync

Is anyone else running this configuration?
Having come from a Nokia/Symbian background, I was disappointed to say the least with the standard Android/Google calendar inteface. Navigating around it from day to month to week is not intuitive, and the month view is next to useless unless all you want to know is "have I got something happening that day - oh yes, but I can't see what it is unless I actually click on the date".
I used to use Handy Calendar on Symbian, which I loved but they don't make an Android version for my Dream.
Anyway, I've recently downloaded Touchdown 30 day trial, and I'm using Nuevasync to act as an Exchange proxy between Touchdown and my GMail.
The free Nuevasync account allows syncing of calendar and contacts, but email & tasks are disabled unless I upgrade to the premium account for $25.
I just want to know if email and tasks will also work flawlessly with this setup?
It may be a moot point, since the Touchdown full app will also cost $19.99. so the whole set-up is a bit costly. Also I'm moving to a different device (HTC Desire) soon, so perhaps the HTC calendar will satisfy me - I hope so.
But in the meantime I'm really beginning to like Touchdown's calendar, and may stump up the $19.99 if I can't find anything as good.

Better Exchange email and calendar for Froyo?

So i love the captivate for phone calls, web, movies and other things, but when it comes to email and calendar it sort of sucks. Samsung just did a poor job. In email, deletes take forever (even with lag fix); read messages are hard to see because the transparency is whacked; calendar doesn't let me edit an event I created on the PC; no subfolders under inbox, etc.
I don't care about security - that is I don't need an APK with security removed or reduced, I just want better email.
Besides buying Touchdown do i have any options? K-9 doesn't do true push.
I was hoping we would see vanilla 2.2 ROM that used what Google was building in for Calendar and Exchange, but not yet. S
Suggestions? Anyone else as frustrated as me?

So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?

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So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?
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nope. i use touchdown

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nope. i use touchdown
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Yeah, but it still has some lag. I think i may be finally ready to throw in the towel on the Captivate. The form factor is great, the screen is great, and as a phone it is great; But even with the lagfix, it still takes time to open or manage anything with a decent database behind it. Samsung really made some dumb design choices.
I think i will give it one more week and see if I can stand Touchdown.

also interested in a better email. what choice do we have?

Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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really?
your recommendation for better email and calendar is to flash a rom that has the same app as all the other roms?
sigh...

Android in general has a lousy email system. This isn't just a Samsung thing. The native email client just lacks so many of the essential features, especially for Corporate Active Sync accounts. I sure hope that Google makes some updates soon to this area on these phones. Touch down does the job but you're right, it's slow. As for K9, it does have true push technology. By configuring your account via IMAP, you can setup an IDLE connection which is Push. I have K9 set up with a couple other accounts and I receive notifications within seconds of mail hitting the server. However, K9 is full of features and if you're not familiar with it, it can take quite some time to get it set up just right for your account.
In regards to other ROMs with better email clients, I've flashed quite a few of them including Pheonix 4.5 and they're all pretty much the same. Currently I'm running Andromedia 1.1 (which is absolutely amazing), and the email client runs much better. But also, the whole phone is extremely fast. It's the only ROM that has actually put a WOW on my face in regards to performance. If you haven't tried that ROM I highly recommend it. As long as you do a clean flash from stock no bugs should be encountered. Everything just works and works fast!
Good luck!

I thought lag was the issue, sorry
Sent from my captivate using the flames of the phoenix

yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.

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I thought lag was the issue, sorry
Sent from my captivate using the flames of the phoenix
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yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.
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guys,
if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did

I use the Paragon 5.1 ROM and the stock email in there to connect to Hotmail that has been set up as an Exchange Active Sync partner for mail, calendar, and contacts. I can update on phone or pc and it is really instantaneous. I enter something on my phone calendar and it shows up online within 10 seconds. Same goes for adding or editing new contacts in my phonebook.

Pirateghost said:
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if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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notes, tasks, proper signature support, html emails. how about when you have an event in your calendar that has a phone number it would let you tap that number to call it? yes, there are hacky ways of getting these features, but nothing all wrapped up in one package...except for touchdown. the ONLY thing i dont really like about touchdown is the interface, it needs to be more customizable or blend better with the way the rest of the phone looks, instead of sticking out like a sore thumb.
i had iphones for nearly 3 years, and i currently have an ipad also, and the email was acceptable. no, android isnt caught up to that yet, but its getting there and i completely support the push forward. i would still pick my android over going back to the iphone. you do realize that it took nearly 2 years for the iphone to get proper exchange support right? since android is basically just now getting into supporting exchange (as of version 2.0? 2.1?), we should see some good stuff on the horizon in the near future.

Op, have you tried this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821297&highlight=exchange
I have, and it has better folder support, and seems to work pretty well for ActiveSync. The folder navigation is much easier.
Use Root explorer, go into /system/app/ , rename Email.apk to Email.old and email.odex to emailodex.old, reboot, and your email app will be missing.
Just open this .apk with "my files" or any file manager, or Root explorer, and install.
See if that works better.
One place where the IPHone e-mail client works much nicer is when you have a lot of folders in your mailbox. Navigating is easier than the ultra-stupid "scroll like a madman left-and-right" method of the stock client.. I use ActiveSync as well, and I find the ActiveSync support, while improved in 2.2, can be very "kooky" for lack of a better term.
Hope that helps.
PirateGhost My friend moved the Touchdown client to the SD card and said he felt it was faster, but he's not lag-fixed or rooted, so I don't know what his frame of reference is. Might be something you could try.

I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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Looks like an interesting alternative to TouchDown.
Does it support peak/off peak sync scheduling? I looked through their market listing and their forum but I couldn't find an answer.

I just checked and it does not. It also doesn't do notes or tasks. I would say that Touch down is more robust. This app is very much like the default email app but better.
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Pirateghost said:
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if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...

arabcamel said:
I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...
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do you have any idea how a rom works or what it consists of?
what you have said makes NO sense whatsoever based on that context. i have been working on andromeda in its various stages since DECEMBER. i have tried EVERY ROM available to us on both of my captivates, i have tried EVERY form of lagfix/filesystem available, even your coveted firefly....and i can tell you that it doesnt matter what rom you are on...there is a lag. im not talking about the time it takes you to get the email from the exchange server to the phone, or variances between outlook and the phone, i am talking about opening FOLDERS and emails. there is a lag in the system.... if you think otherwise, you are lying to yourself to make it all feel better.
also, how about you open up an item on your calendar (conference call for example) and tap on the phone number to dial the line....
go on....
im waiting....
unless of course you are using the AOSP email app which allows that....in that case, set yourself up a signature in your settings and REPLY to an email....see if that signature is there.
how come we cant get all these exchange features in ONE app? touchdown doesnt include them all, but its the best available right now
sorry, but exchange support is MINIMAL at best in Android, so please keep the 'this rom cured aids!!' talk out of it. i never said a custom rom wouldnt make your phone faster, i just said it doesnt help EMAIL WITH EXCHANGE