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This might not be bricked, but if it isn't it must be as close as it can get. I flashed my phone back to stock 2.1 yesterday, and today when I tried to flash to cognition 8.1 it got stuck on "<ID:0/005> boot.bin" for a half hour. I unplugged it, and now my phone is stuck on the picture in the attachment.
- I can't get my computer to even pick it up with USB. Nothing happens at all.
- The only time it turns off is when I hold power, volume up, and volume down. Even then, it immediately boots right back into that picture. Nothing else happens.
- I can't get into download mode.
- When I remove the battery, it goes right back to this screen.
What can I do?
Happened to me earlier.
Do the following to get into download mode:
1) take out battery
2) put in battery
3) hold the vol up and vol down keys, then plug in the USB cord.
It will boot into download mode. Then try do what you were doing.
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Happened to me earlier.
Do the following to get into download mode:
1) take out battery
2) put in battery
3) hold the vol up and vol down keys, then plug in the USB cord.
It will boot into download mode. Then try do what you were doing.
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This hasn't worked before, but I went ahead and tried it again. It still just goes straight to the black screen with that picture in the center.
Hmm.
Well, I'm sure one of the 3 methods posted in the odin3 thread, on how to get to download mode, should work.
For me, it was the volume up and down buttons together, then plugging in the usb. It would turn on automatically and go straight to download mode.
None of the ones from this thread work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989&page=96
evanstapler said:
None of the ones from this thread work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989&page=96
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Look under your battery below the serial numder of you phone and see if your batch is 1008. If it is those batches don't go into download mode. Send your phone in for waranty repair.
Rhiannon224 said:
Look under your battery below the serial numder of you phone and see if your batch is 1008. If it is those batches don't go into download mode. Send your phone in for waranty repair.
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I don't see 1008 at all. I've booted into download mode before, even using the three button combo, I just can't now.
Would AT&T even cover this? Will they know I was tampering with stuff I shouldn't have?
Have you tried running Odin as administrator? Uninstall and reinstall the drivers for Odin. Keep trying, remove SIM, battery and external, hold the volume buttons only and plug phone in, keep trying, it should work. Blame the OTA for the "brick" and send it for warranty if you can't get Odin to work.
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Uninstall and reinstall the drivers for Odin.
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Try doing this.
You know its interesting to see how many times I see people tell you to pull the battery, sim etc. Maybe I'm just lucky, but when I put my phone into download mode I power it off, open odin on my pc, hold down the volume buttons but NOT the power button and plug in the micro usb cable. Works everytime for me even with the PC /!\ Phone screen.
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Have you tried running Odin as administrator? Uninstall and reinstall the drivers for Odin. Keep trying, remove SIM, battery and external, hold the volume buttons only and plug phone in, keep trying, it should work. Blame the OTA for the "brick" and send it for warranty if you can't get Odin to work.
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I've uninstalled and reinstalled twice, kept rebooting and removing my SIM and battery (no SD), changed USB ports, made sure each USB port works... Nothing has worked.
EDIT: The drivers I used were from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
Man, I'm not sure.
Either you're doing the button combo wrong.. since you said it worked before, or you're gonna have to send it in for warranty.
Remember don't press the power button. Just hold the volume up, volume down button, and plug in the usb cable
I'm about to go to AT&T for an exchange. Wish me luck.
In the meantime, though, what's the easiest, least-risk of screwing up way to get a brand new captivate on cognition 8.1 with the z4mod?
I would say wait until the CW issues are worked out with BETA9 and just CW flash it. I've bricked two batch 1008 Captivates from Odin freezing mid-flash today. I even flashed DG's 3ButtonFix first, to make sure I'd be able to do a button combo to get back into download mode, and no dice.
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I would say wait until the CW issues are worked out with BETA9 and just CW flash it. I've bricked two batch 1008 Captivates from Odin freezing mid-flash today. I even flashed DG's 3ButtonFix first, to make sure I'd be able to do a button combo to get back into download mode, and no dice.
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Wow that's interesting. I also have a batch 1008 and when I flash with odin it's fine. But after every time I flash to stock jf6 I lose 3 button combo and just reinstall the fix zip using clockwork. Download mode using both volume keys then plug in usb always works for me though even without the fix.
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Wow that's interesting. I also have a batch 1008 and when I flash with odin it's fine. But after every time I flash to stock jf6 I lose 3 button combo and just reinstall the fix zip using clockwork. Download mode using both volume keys then plug in usb always works for me though even without the fix.
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Same here...I have 1008 and no issues flashiing back to stock losing the three button and either using adb or fix zip to get into Download mode.
I am running Firefly 2.05. I was attempting to reset with odin. I started my phone in download mode and I forgot to enable usb debuging. Odin of course wouldn't recognize the phone. I couldn't get it to power off so I pulled the battery. Now when it starts I have a black screen with a computer and phone icon with an exclaimaton point in the middle. I can't get the phone to boot up. As far as I know the OS wasn't changed; it's just permanently stuck with this logo on the screen. I tried downloading this sdk and adb won't recognize the device either. Is there anything I can do? Thanks...
Heres what you do.
1) Pull the battery so you KNOW the phone is off.
2) Put the battery back in
3) Hold down BOTH volume keys at the same time. Do not let go and do not touch the power button
4) Plug in the usb cable while holding down the volume keys, the device should turn on and go into download mode
5) Start odin and go about your business
Followed the directions exactly and get the same phone with a computer and an exclamation point.
Try the above, then try the steps in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fMk0PhA_qc
If those don't work, my download JIG will. It's only $10 with free shipping. You can buy one HERE...
Thanks for all the help guys. I think I am going to need a JIG. Did I need USB debugging for the Odin clear or is just being in download mode all it needs? When I did my initial install of Firefly the Odin one click and master clear worked fine, but I can't remember if I had debugging mode on.
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Thanks for all the help guys. I think I am going to need a JIG. Did I need USB debugging for the Odin clear or is just being in download mode all it needs? When I did my initial install of Firefly the Odin one click and master clear worked fine, but I can't remember if I had debugging mode on.
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Download mode doesnt even know/care if debugging is on or not. so, no.
Are you sure you are holding both volume buttons down all the way?
Also, make sure your external sd (if you have one) and SIM card are taken out.
Make sure that the phone isn't plugged in when you pull out the battery (the phone can stay on without the battery if you are plugged into the computer)
Not really sure how this could have happened by just pulling the battery while in download mode if nothing was being done to the phone at the time. Yesterday, while I was trying to get odin to recognize my phone through a VM I must have pulled the battery while in DL mode at least 10 times and had no problem)
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Proper odin steps:
1. Install drivers for your os given in the original odin3 post (or the computer won't recognize your device while it's in DL mode and therefore will never get to odin)
2. Open odin3 (needs to be open before you plug in the phone)
3. Turn off phone, unplug from charger/computer and pull out battery, SIM, SD cards.
4. Replace battery (phone should still be completely off)
5. Hold both volume buttons and plug in the usb cable to your phone (should already be plugged into your computer)
- Need to keep holding the two volume buttons down tight until the download mode screen comes up (should be pretty much instantly) -
Those are the steps I follow to the letter whenever I use odin (about once a week)
build a jig yourself, or buy one. it will get your into the download mode.
I managed to get it into download mode. Odin shows a com port but the start and master clear options do nothing. I click the button and they grey out, but nothing happens as far as download progress. Any ideas what to try next?
Did you try multiple ports
I finally got it working. It required a JIG to get it into download mode and then starting Odin as windows administrator allowed it to finally do the flash and master clear. Thanks for everyones help; I really appreciate it!
Hi there I got a Samsung captivate SGH-I897 and I got a custom rom installer from Rom Kitchen. I wanted to go back to stock rom but once i get into download mode the phone not loading the rom ODIN stays in DO NOT TURN OFF THE TARGET!please help get out of that and use my phone again!the Base Rom i Used on custom rom is XWJS5 v9.6 with Firebird Kernel
Thank you for your time
close odin 1 click, unplug phone leave it in d/l mode, open odin plug phone back into usb, you should see a com port then like 7 or 3 or something. then hit start. Sometimes I have to repeat process 3 or 4 times before odin works right. if it isnt doing anything unplug it, remove battery put battery back in hold volume buttons down when u plug it back into usb and should go back to d/l mode. make sure odin is opened first.
I ve tried all these the problem is that I am at Phone - ! - PC and its hard to get to Download Mode but after many tries I all of a sudden I get in that mode then nothing more I can do!
Does Odin recognize the phone when you connect the USB cable when your phone is in download mode? Also which OS is your PC running? I was having an issue with Odin not pushing the stock rom and I had to start it as administrator in Win 7 to get it to work.
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Yes DOES recognize the phone but not pushing the ROM on it!I am on Windows 7 and i always run ODIN as Admin!
Any ideas?
I've heard Odin can be flaky and may take several attempts before it will work. I would keep trying. Also possibly change which USB port you are using on your computer and see if that helps. I was in this exact same scenario last week. I would turn on the phone and get the computer/phone/exclamation point of death screen. I couldn't get the phone to boot or into download mode without using a JIG. Finally on about the third try Odin worked for me. I started Odin as admin and almost as soon as I plugged in the phone to USB I hit flash and it worked. Best of luck...
Odin is not flaky. It works if you follow instructions. It's the user's fault, not the software.
Anyway, this is probably the ten millionth time I've posted this in the last hour, but here's how to get into download mode if nothing else works. If this doesn't work, you hard bricked your phone and would need a JTAG flash.
Loggik said:
Unplug the phone from the computer and remove the battery, SIM, and external SD if there is one.
1. Open Odin one click.
2. Plug the phone in (without the battery in the phone). Do not press any buttons, especially the power button.
3. Press and hold the volume rocker (holding down both volume up and down).
4. Insert the battery while holding the volume rocker.
5. The phone should boot into download mode. You can then let go of the volume rocker.
Now wait 30 seconds (if you press "Start" too soon, it will not work). Then press "Start" and your flash should finish.
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my phone is in download mode but odin hung once i unplugge and plugged back in ever since phone isnt see by odin or pc?
Yes, as I stated in my post above; you must reboot your phone every single time you go into Download mode. What I mean by that is that if you go into Download mode and plug your phone in, then unplug it, you cannot plug your phone back in unless you reboot your phone.
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Yes, as I stated in my post above; you must reboot your phone every single time you go into Download mode. What I mean by that is that if you go into Download mode and plug your phone in, then unplug it, you cannot plug your phone back in unless you reboot your phone.
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if youre reffering to me my cappy was bricked all it will do now is go into download mode if i do the 3 resistor trick to force it to but then its not seen by pc now
leo5111 said:
if youre reffering to me my cappy was bricked all it will do now is go into download mode if i do the 3 resistor trick to force it to but then its not seen by pc now
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Didn't realize that you weren't the OP. Regardless, I was referring to you.
Anyway, this is a more serious case than I thought. Have you used the AIO Captivate Tool? If so, did you install the LibUSB drivers? Those will disable Odin from working (I'm probably going to PM Bay_wolf sometime soon about that...).
Do get everything working again:
Plug the phone in while it's in Download mode. Open the start menu, right click on "Computer", and click "Manage". In the left sidebar, select "Device Manager".
There will be a dropdown labeled "LibUSB Devices" or something with the word libusb in it. Find that dropdown, right click the Samsung USB Device or whatever it's called and select "Update Driver Software...". Then select "Search automatically for updated driver software."
An alternative is to just use the "Flash to Stock" option in the AIO tool. This and the above is assuming that you had used the AIO Tool and installed the LibUSB drivers previously. If you have not, then you may have to try and re-install the Samsung drivers. If that doesn't work, ask to borrow a friend's computer for now to flash back to stock, because this happened to me before and I didn't know how to fix it, but I was about to re-install Windows anyway so I never figured it out.
im on xp and pc sees my cappy but odin execution 1.00 is stuck on examing files is there another version i should be trying? if it helps this is what i was trying to get off my phone when the crap hit the fan http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940330 and i tried to put paragon 6 on and it kept erring because i needed to do a odin job first on it
I finally managed to turn my phone on last nigh by doing the following:
1.Open Odin
2.Get in download mode (it took me many tries but finally I made it)
3.Disconnect phone
4.Reconnect phone
5.Choose the PIT file
6.Uncheck Auto Reboot
7.Hit Start
After that I took out the battery put it back again and power up.the phone will boot but not show the main screen it will only vibrate!then i used the AIO pack to put it back in recovery mode and i reinstalled the Custom Firmware I was using. Now is on and working again!I really dont know now if I can flash back to stock!
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I finally managed to turn my phone on last nigh by doing the following:
1.Open Odin
2.Get in download mode (it took me many tries but finally I made it)
3.Disconnect phone
4.Reconnect phone
5.Choose the PIT file
6.Uncheck Auto Reboot
7.Hit Start
After that I took out the battery put it back again and power up.the phone will boot but not show the main screen it will only vibrate!then i used the AIO pack to put it back in recovery mode and i reinstalled the Custom Firmware I was using. Now is on and working again!I really dont know now if I can flash back to stock!
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did you use thee pitfile came with odin in the all in one or did you select another pitfile if you used a differnt pitfile then comes with odin 1.00 that might be my issue
No no I dont use this on I use one I had on my PC.
I think the problem is a write protection as I can see when i connect the phone it displays a CDROM drive when I click on it, opens ok but I cant write anything on the phone.and every time I try to use ODIN to flash to stock it stays in DO NOT TURN OFF THE TARGET and nothing happens!
Any ideas on how to get back to stock firmware?
[Q] Stuck in AT&T Screen boot loop, can't get into either recovery or download mode
I went back to stock (or tried to) and after Odin was done the phone just stuck in the AT&T boot loop, download mode is not working (it was working before so I know I am doing the right combination/timing) doing endless combinations of Vol-/Vol+/Power doesn't seem to get me into recovery mode-
I put my girlfriend's captivate on Continuum over the weekend so I'm sure I'm pressing the right keys to get into download mode, but I get nothing but the battery.
I do have the Android SDK in my computer but I'm never able to get past that naggy screen, so I can't do a 'adb shell reboot recovery' is a JIG my only option?
To recap, can't get into download mode and pressing volume up / volume down and power buttonuntil the AT&T screen and then release the power button doesn't get me into recovery mode.
Need help!
I've been in the exact same situation.A jig is most probably the only option.
Many people have had this problem and find that a jig is the answer.
Sent from my cappy UC'd 900mhz and UV'd running di11is rom/ Onix kernel
first try with just holding vol buttons and then inserting USB cable...hold vol buttons till its goes into download mode or the screen changes..if not then try following steps...
1. remove the usb cable, battery, sdcard, SIM.
2. wait 10 seconds, then insert the USB cable.
3. press and hold the 3 button combo while you insert the battery
4. continue to hold until phone's screen goes black twice and release power button.
5. timing is critical, it may not work the first time. Keep going until you see the COM port is connected properly.
still no Dl mode..then buy a jig or make one yourself
Right so I'm download mode now, but every time I go back to STOCK I'm re-stuck in the same loop, seems that I can't get out of it.
I got into download mode with a JIG, but still can't see my phone from my computer, so I can't run the adb shell to get it to boot in recovery mode
I'd appreciate any help you could give me!
leopic said:
Right so I'm download mode now, but every time I go back to STOCK I'm re-stuck in the same loop, seems that I can't get out of it.
I got into download mode with a JIG, but still can't see my phone from my computer, so I can't run the adb shell to get it to boot in recovery mode
I'd appreciate any help you could give me!
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Restart your computer, use a different usb cable, a different usb port. if that doesn't work, unistall the drivers and reinstall, restart your comp and try again.
For anoyone that might find this thread, Odin 1 Click didn't work for me, so I flash back into stock using Odin (not the 1 click version, another one), here are some links that proved to be very helpful (I ended up Flashing to Serependity 6.4):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031749
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdn5GoRjhn0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10056254&postcount=36
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=919816
http://android-roms.info/roms/80-Serendipity
http://serendipityrom.weebly.com/download.html
I had the same problem just a few weeks ago.
The problem is once you start using 2.2 you can't use ODIN 2.1 anymore.
This is the one that worked for me I897UCJI6-OCD-REV02-Low-designgears(1)
Frawgg said:
I had the same problem just a few weeks ago.
The problem is once you start using 2.2 you can't use ODIN 2.1 anymore.
This is the one that worked for me I897UCJI6-OCD-REV02-Low-designgears(1)
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this is actually a false statement.
i can still use odin 2.1 after flashing 2.2 roms and even stock 2.2 upgrades
Anyone thought about trying Heimdall if Odin doesn't work?
Yes, i tried using heimdall and that didn't work. I'm wondering what leopic did to fix his, if you could list the steps instead of the links that would help a lot!
stuck in att screen and battery loop
so i have tried searching for threads that match the issue i am having and some of them do and some doent so i have decided to post this. i tried flashing back to stock from a custom rom i was using. i used Odin to do this. i didn't work so i tried it again, same result. it dosent boot just sits at the captivate splash screen. i tried using a different oden tool and after that it just loops through the ATT splash screen and if i have the usb cable plugged in, it just loops the battery screen. im not even sure if it charges. i have tried everything i can find to do to get the download mode to come up and nothing, just loops. i have not tried the jig on this phone yet b/c i haven't made it to radio shack yet to pick the resistors up. is that going to be my only option?
what rom WERE you on?was it cm7 or miui?
Connection Issues? < click here for information on download and recovery mode....
information you should have had BEFORE FLASHING your phone..
i was on serinity 6.2.
i have tried all possible ways to get into d/l mode that i have found
so from the link provided
FROM A POWERED-DOWN STATE - BATTERY REMOVED
- Insert battery, then press and hold Vol+ and Vol-, then insert your USB cable..
goes into battery loop
- Press and hold Vol+/Vol-, Insert Battery, Insert USB cable
goes into battery loop
- Press and hold Vol+/Vol-, Insert USB cable, Insert Battery
goes into battery loop
- Use a 301Kohm jig between USB pins 4-5 (can be manufactured jig or homemade chain of resistors)
have not tried yet
asorendo said:
so from the link provided
FROM A POWERED-DOWN STATE - BATTERY REMOVED
- Insert battery, then press and hold Vol+ and Vol-, then insert your USB cable..
goes into battery loop
- Press and hold Vol+/Vol-, Insert Battery, Insert USB cable
goes into battery loop
- Press and hold Vol+/Vol-, Insert USB cable, Insert Battery
goes into battery loop
- Use a 301Kohm jig between USB pins 4-5 (can be manufactured jig or homemade chain of resistors)
have not tried yet
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Sounds like a jig is in your future.
YAY. i got the resistors hook it all up and download mode loaded up. AWESOME!!!
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first try with just holding vol buttons and then inserting USB cable...hold vol buttons till its goes into download mode or the screen changes..if not then try following steps...
1. remove the usb cable, battery, sdcard, SIM.
2. wait 10 seconds, then insert the USB cable.
3. press and hold the 3 button combo while you insert the battery
4. continue to hold until phone's screen goes black twice and release power button.
5. timing is critical, it may not work the first time. Keep going until you see the COM port is connected properly.
still no Dl mode..then buy a jig or make one yourself
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You safe my Note.. Many Thanks
I thought I lost her x_x
I had this problem before
Users - I am new on this forum and I know this thread is old however I had this problem and it resolved itself. Here is how.
Background: I tried to charge my ATT Captivate using a Nokia microUSB charger that was plugged into a 120v outlet. After a few minutes of charging, the phone would no longer boot past the ATT World Phone screen. Afterwards I tried everything under sun to get a computer recognize the phone so I could reflash the ROM. Nothing worked (different computer, different USB cables, reinstalled the Samsung drivers, etc....).
Resolution of Problem: As a last ditch effort, I tried charging my phone with the same Nokia microUSB cable that appeared to cause the problem in the first placed. This time the Nokia USB cable was plugged into my computer instead of the 120v outlet. My computer had the Samsung phone drivers installed. To my amazement the phone booted up after I unplugged it from the USB cable and all is well.
I am not sure what happened but my Captivate is back with no damage. Hope this helps some poor soul who is trying desperatley to get a computer to recognize a phone that for no apparent reason will not be recognized.
Captivate not working after flashing CM10 nightly
HELP, Actually I rooted my SAMSUNG CAPTIVATE I897 and then tried to install CM10 nightly thorugh Clockwork mod recovery. And I forgot to wipe Dalvik cache. The phone got stuck in AT&T Screen for hours together, the phone was not at all responding i.e. neither to download mode or recovery mode. But yesterday the phone went into download mode .. i tried to install the stock rom for Samsung captivate. Its coming till galaxy S screen after that its switching off ... What is the possible solution. Pls Help with this as I am complete novice to this. Help will be appreciated :good:
I just recently flashed the 2.3.3 GB firmware from SamFirmware. It actually works quite nicely. I just recently encountered a power button issue and would like to flash back to stock before sending the phone in, but the problem I have is not being able to go into download mode. I'm not quite sure what the problem is. I have an ATT captivate, and have done it in the past before. When I turn the phone off, the phone will vibrate like it does in 2.2Froyo but the back light for the buttons will remain on(possibly until the battery dies). Every button trick I try only cycles through the att logo screen and when I have the phone plugged in it always shows the battery charging when the phone is off and plugged in. Regardless, I can get to recovery mode, but never download mode.
Any suggestions? Thanks.
You do know that download mode in GB (2.3.x) is Vol Down +pwr buton, right?
Assuming it turns on you can try adb commands. All else fails jig will force it in to download mode regardless.
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You do know that download mode in GB (2.3.x) is Vol Down +pwr buton, right?
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Yea, and that's not working. I only get recovery mode every time.
cappysw10 said:
You do know that download mode in GB (2.3.x) is Vol Down +pwr buton, right?
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Not true. I897 GB bootloaders Download mode combination is Vol up+Vol down+Insert PC connected USB cable. The combination you said is I9000 Bootloaders.
But i think the majority are on i9000 boot loaders.
True regardless OP didn't specify what bootloaders he is using, so just covering basics.
If all else fails, remove your battery, sim chip, microsd chip, then plug in your usb cable, hold vol up & vol down and put your battery in.
Should go right in to download mode.
the phone boots. Use adb.
install adb (although imo you should have done that BEFORE ever flashing your phone)
open a prompt
Change directories to where you have it installed.
Then enter the command:
adb reboot download
and you're dl mode.
Make sure you have usb debugging turned ON.
Or make/buy a jig.
Here's another problem, and I do thank you guys and gals greatly for helping me out. The computer recognizes my phone and the drivers when booted up normally, but in download mode the drivers fail to install or be read. Therefore, I cannot flash back to stock. I've tried uninstalling drivers and reinstalling manually on my computer and still nothing.
Jmurph3 said:
Here's another problem, and I do thank you guys and gals greatly for helping me out. The computer recognizes my phone and the drivers when booted up normally, but in download mode the drivers fail to install or be read. Therefore, I cannot flash back to stock. I've tried uninstalling drivers and reinstalling manually on my computer and still nothing.
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had the same problem, download mode wouldnt get recognize by PC or odin and drivers fail to install. I decided to install mini kies and it installed drivers thru that and problem solved, download recognized and was able to flash to 2.1
CremeFraiche said:
had the same problem, download mode wouldnt get recognize by PC or odin and drivers fail to install. I decided to install mini kies and it installed drivers thru that and problem solved, download recognized and was able to flash to 2.1
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Thanks! I'll be sure to try that when I get home. Have you had any problems with the GB 2.3.3 leak that came out few weeks ago or have you not tried it?
ive just used cognition only since it's release and like it so far