[Q] On Lag. Why on Galaxy S but not Epic? - Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello
My question is where is the difference between the Epic 4G and the Galaxy S?
I mean, why is it that the Galaxy suffers from lag issues and needs lagfixes etc, while the Epic is (afaik) not coping with such issues?
Is it the hardware? read somewhere someone mentioned that the nand memory (prolly wrong name/misspelled) differs on the Epic and that it doesn't suffer of the same issue. While others mentioned that the Epic uses Touchwiz 2.5 instead of 3.0 due to keyboard compatability (landscape mode)
If anyone knows the answer would be appreciated, Thanks in advance. I've tried searching a bit but the existing threads where the subject arises don't have the definite answer. (Or I sucked at searching properly and if that's the case please close this hehe...)

I think its due to it not using onenand/movinand. Thats why we have 8/16gigs internal ram while they have 2gigs which all droid devices have as i recall (thats why we loose 2 gigs from our 8/16gig) also i think due to having only 2gigs samsung choosed faster nand tech which maybe same price as our bigger but slower nand. Sadly our nand is slow and prone to file curruption. Since they dont have the extra ram they dont need a hack like ours which uses rfs. Well thats my understanding about it. Samsung used a hack to give us extra ram but i dont think it was smart as you notice no other phone has extra internal memory like ours but the standard mandated 2gigs thats why "app 2 sd" is a huge deal for everyone but us
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Also if the epic does have internal mem as big as ours it was due to samsung admitting to the faults and fixing it in their flagship bug fixed phone.
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I see, that does clarify it, and although I loved going to the Galaxy from a Desire and not having to remove apps all the time, the lag issues did counter that some.
Thanks for the info.

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Adding Extra Ram...

Is it possible to add extra Ram to the Dream by way of soldering a new Chip in?
Anything is possible, but no one has made the attempt yet.
tricky buisness but its possible
in school we are soldering electronic components and i was wondering bout this also, but upgrade to what?? what is available out there for our phones
This is a very interesting topic for future development; however, I do not think the phone manufacturers are likely to oblige requests from the more hardcore users for power and memory upgrades. As all developers currently design for an exact type of device, allowing for those types of changes may diversify the market in a negative way.
The users have circumvented the 80mb system storage limit with "APPS2SD" and similar functionality, which I think is wonderful, but I await the person with the inclination to upgrade other types of hardware in a more "permanent" manner. I personally would love to have a faster machine, just so I'm not dealing with lag in heavier applications.
There is always the venue of creating a swap file, although I'm not certain what the performance cut is over a potential physical RAM upgrade. Would be worth researching.
Considerations..
When swapping chips..lots of things have to be taken into consideration..voltages of new ram..power consumption...also physical space limitations...Ill def follow this..
I think there even used to be companies a while ago that did this, for specific phones like the treo 650. What would you need the RAM upgrade for? Apps2SD is great..
fleebailey33 said:
I think there even used to be companies a while ago that did this, for specific phones like the treo 650. What would you need the RAM upgrade for? Apps2SD is great..
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Rosie.... DUH!
RAM is faster than MicroSD, however I haven't benchmarked the speed of the internal memory myself. Apps2SD is just used as extra storage not memory... Unlike what compcache/linux swap would actually do.
There has been a few threads already about people thinking about adding extra RAM into their G1, however you would have to find a suitable supplier of said RAM chips (same specifications bar size) and then you could attempt it.
I'm stuck though on an 18 month contract and can quite happily see me upgrading the G1 for a SnapDragon CPU model.

[Q] Samsung galaxy S I9000 Stock Android!!

Hello fellow Xda'ers! I have recently Sold my htc hd2 and I have decided to buy an Galaxy S I9000!!
Do you think this is a smart trade since i LOVE ANDROID, is there another device you could recommend?
Even if so,
Does anyone here know how to, or IF I can use Standard STock Android 2.1 OR 2.2
doesnt matter, I just want it to be Android stock...
Thanks and Please
Sincerely yours Aldin!
yes there are beta version of froyo already JF3
Currently can't use stock (but there is no reason why someone couldn't port get a fully stock rom working). A lot of us like this phone, some people don't. Some people prefer the Desire.
Current main problems people are having.
1) GPS is sketchy, but it does appear Samsung is fixing it. It is a good chipset (and the solution may be that they release a new backplate with a better antenna, because there is a jack for an external antenna). Or, it may be improved drivers. As of JM5, I have quickly tested mine and it is great, but haven't tested it properly yet.
2) "Lag". Some people are whinging that applications take too long to load, and some tasks lag. We KNOW the processor is awesome though, and we KNOW that the NAND chip is fast, so it's probably a configuration/software issue. Perhaps they simply need better caching in place. Also be aware, many people here are blowing the lag WAYYY out of proportion. Some people here will tell you their applications are lagging 10 secs, and that the lag killed their cat.
In JM5 and JG5, I tested it, and I could only get 3 secs lag max after running many apps. I later managed to increase that to perhaps 4. But later firmwares now seem to be quite immune to serious lag problems.
When it comes down to it though, your only way of knowing for sure whether it's the right phone for you, is to test them both.
However, you must be honest with yourself too. Anything to do with graphics is probably better on the Galaxy S (and the firmware is much more buggy still). But the HTC has a better experience at the moment. The Galaxy S also has a better screen, and a PROPER multitouch atmel controller, whereas most mobiles (including the nexus one) still use a hacked synaptics/single touch panel which can support multitouch (but doesn't actually do it properly, and it's easy to generate false ).
I wouldn't trade my Samsung Galaxy S though, even if I was offered full asking price. It really comes down to your needs. The Samsung might be the better long term solution (especially since Samsung are REALLY pushing it, which suggests they are serious about turning it mainstream), but the desire might be the better short term one.
It all comes down to your needs though, and patience. If you need fully accurate GPS right now, or are too impatient to wait 1 sec for an app to open, get the HTC desire. But, if you want a proper multitouch controller, MUCH faster GPU and better screen, Samsung Galaxy. At the end of the day, they are just mobile phones, you just need to go for it! I spent months wasting hours looking up reviews every week, and at the end, I just did it on a whim (had never even seen it in real life). The fact is, in actual real world use, the HTC desire is possibly a bit better for some people if they need accurate GPS for fitness and such (but ours will probably improve too with a bit of software improvements, or a new back case with a better antenna). Both have 802.11n, so you'll find that you can set your router to 802.11n mode only.
It's just a phone though. If you need a fashion accessory, the HTC legend might appeal to you. But as mentioned, what you need is everything.
Also, some people may complain about the build quality of the galaxy S (it uses a plastic back which snaps on). I'd say the build quality is fine (materials which are used doesn't mean a damn if your smartphone gets wet). In fact, I actually think its a pro point, because we can swap the back with a rubberdised one and simply get a screen protector/bumper. But yeah, nothing to worry about. The glass seems strong too.
Good luck.
alldino said:
Hello fellow Xda'ers! I have recently Sold my htc hd2 and I have decided to buy an Galaxy S I9000!!
Do you think this is a smart trade since i LOVE ANDROID, is there another device you could recommend?
Even if so,
Does anyone here know how to, or IF I can use Standard STock Android 2.1 OR 2.2
doesnt matter, I just want it to be Android stock...
Thanks and Please
Sincerely yours Aldin!
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Thanks so much for the quick answer!!! I have decided to get the galaxy s i9000!! Thank you so much for spending so much time writing and what a good page of information you gave me!! THANKS!
I confess I don't know so much about this, but what do you get if you compile the Eclair source released by Samsung (I assume it needs to be combined with AOSP)? Would that not give stock 2.1, since none of the TouchWiz apps are open source?
Perhaps a few drivers would be missing as they're only available as binaries, but we do have the binaries.
andrewluecke said:
2) "Lag". Some people are whinging that applications take too long to load, and some tasks lag. We KNOW the processor is awesome though, and we KNOW that the NAND chip is fast, so it's probably a configuration/software issue. Perhaps they simply need better caching in place. Also be aware, many people here are blowing the lag WAYYY out of proportion. Some people here will tell you their applications are lagging 10 secs, and that the lag killed their cat.
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10 seconds of lagg is not exaggerated. I even experienced a longer lagg.
Let''s say the lagg is only 4 seconds. I is annoying as hell if you you experience that 4 second lagg every 15 seconds while using your phone.
Ofcourse this all depends on what and how many applications you installed and are running.
Guys.. this is really the wrong forum.. This is Android development not Questions & Answers!
Please post your threads in the right sections!
When you have lags you can just use same lag fix... I don't know why you all complaining on lags when lag fixes makes this phone really fast. Othervise if you don't want to lose warranty than if you have enouth money take desire
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Ok, My Captivate lags a lot...this isn't normal

I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
crossover37 said:
I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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Its called RFS... call up samsung and complain to them about it...
so many problems with this
a) wrong section, Q&A or general please
b) notice that word "leaked" in what you said? it means this isn't OFFICIAL, which means it likely ISN'T the final release, so it's bound to have at least some bugs.
c) ryanza lagfix is placebo and awful and doesn't work at all (on top of that, ext2 is a bad choice)
d) if you understood how/where the lag was coming from, you'd know why voodoo is "necessary" on 2.1
e) the aria is built EXTREMELY different from the captivate, it's like comparing the iphone to the nokia n8... yes they're both android, but they're built different which leads to complications
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
g) and shockingly a SMALLER piece of hardware with a SMALLER resolution made by a company known for making quality android phones runs smoother? shocker. honestly.
h) if you actually had any other real world interactions with other android phones, you'd know the lag is occasional but not unusual (hell I've seen just as bad or worse on the droid x before)
i) I suggest you read, read, read, search, read, read, and think before you make posts like the above (why on earth you thought this belongs in development is beyond me)
/rant
There are two kinds of lag. I/O lag is caused by the delays in accessing data stored on your phone in some partition. This is largely due to the use of RFS by Samsung, and the voodoo lag fix gets rid of most of that. Unfortunately there is no voodoo on Captivate leaked Froyo yet, as the source code has not yet been released by Samsung. The OCLF type fixes will help some by masking this lag when the amount of data being written and read is small. When a large amount of data is involved, these fixes will lag, as they still sit on top of RFS.
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
troll. go get an aria then^^
save a galaxy s for a person who can truly appreciate it.
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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crossover37 said:
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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Look at the z4mod post in this forum. It works on 2.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811902
Kaik541 said:
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
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There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
cliffgardner said:
There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
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the "pre-release" version you're talking about is for the i9000... and guess what, the i9000 has source code, we do not
I had the same issue when I installed the leaked 2.2.
I did a master reset, flashed back to stock, master reset again, flashed to 2.2 cognition. Now I don't know if the second master reset was necessary, but my phone is faster than ever. Very few problems, in fact... less problem than the 2.2 leak.
Just flash to cog 2.1.6/2.1.7. I have absolutely no lag at all. Though even at stock my phone wasnt crazy laggy like your claiming your phone is.
rajendra82 said:
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
MikeyMike01 said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
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Autokiller is NOT a task killer. It changes the memory management profile that defines when the apps are closed. This is a combination of the amount of free RAM and the type of app and the state it is in. I also disagree that free RAM is wasted RAM. If you are trying to open a webpage and the amount of RAM is low, the system has to decide to close something else to free the space you need. If the profile of what to close is inefficient, you will frequently run into low memory situations, when the system has to continue to close some apps to free up the memory, and you will see lag as the system works it out for you. What makes you think that the profile that Samsung chose to determine when to close an app is necessarily the best one?

[Q] does anyone have this phone?

It seems like nothings happening with this phone and I dont know if I should buy it, because if I cant root it or do anything with it its just not as fun? so does anyone know how to root this phone and flash roms on it etc etc?
my gf bought this phone
i'm just waiting for someone to come up with a way to s-off and root it so that i can move apps for her
it's irritating cause only some apps can be moved in its current config
hoping someone comes up with something soon
my gf thinking to buy a salsa, it seems a nice phone, however based on what u people's comments, the biggest problem is internal memory! so would u people recommand salsa or Nexus S?
DDFF said:
my gf thinking to buy a salsa, it seems a nice phone, however based on what u people's comments, the biggest problem is internal memory! so would u people recommand salsa or Nexus S?
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NexusS is FAR superior (Hummingbird ARMv7,powerVR sgx540 GPU, MUCH more internal memory, community support, development....).. the thing in my case, is that my GF was on a x10mini pro before and find nexus S huge.. She wanted something small and didn't care about performance (as probably anything would be better than her previous x10minipro) .. As I have a desire she thought HTC are well built and bought this one..
As I said on another post, besides internal memory I think it is a good smartphone, but if your gf doesn't mind size.. then go nexusS.. you/she won't regret.
thanks man, very useful....I am using DHD and I would recommend my gf of Nexus s,and if she wants, i can get it root which not gonna happen on Salsa.
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NexusS is FAR superior (Hummingbird ARMv7,powerVR sgx540 GPU, MUCH more internal memory, community support, development....).. the thing in my case, is that my GF was on a x10mini pro before and find nexus S huge.. She wanted something small and didn't care about performance (as probably anything would be better than her previous x10minipro) .. As I have a desire she thought HTC are well built and bought this one..
As I said on another post, besides internal memory I think it is a good smartphone, but if your gf doesn't mind size.. then go nexusS.. you/she won't regret.
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thanks man, very useful....I am using DHD and I would recommend my gf of Nexus s,and if she wants, i can get it root which not gonna happen on Salsa.
I have this phone as well. Overall, it's actually a pretty decent phone. Performance, size, speed, etc are all mid-range quality and I do love the smaller size.
The only down side to this phone as has been mentioned is the limited internal memory. I'm just waiting on a method of rooting so I can get rid of all the useless bloatware and move the rest of the apps over to the SD card. The phone comes with 512 mb of memory but on my particular phone here in Taiwan, after the OS install, and all the bloat ware I have around 120mb to work with. Between email, contacts, and like 4 apps. I'm out of space and can't do anything else. It's very frustrating.

[Q] Which phone to buy? 9000 or 9001?

Hello to everyone, I've recently started searching to buy a new phone and I saw Galaxy S and Galaxy S Plus. I saw that GS+ is 40% faster than the original one but I also heard that the GS consumes less RAM and that the GS+ lags a lot more.
Also, I saw that 9000 has a wider community and support and that it even has more payable games from gameloft than the 9001!
And so, I'm a bit confused, that's why I'm asking for advice. Thanks a lot in advance!
hi,
it really depends on whether we get ics ported for sgs+ or not.
if you just compare the hardware of both sgs+ will easily win, but the community is much bigger for sgs (we neither have any finished cm7 port nor ics, but both are maybe coming).
Thanks for your answer! I also happened to see people say that GS+ lags more than the original GS (both on GB) and people saying that it looks like samsung doesn't give much support to it, unlike the GS. That's what has been making me wonder.
If you are not planning to upgrade from stock rom(wich I dont advise) you should go with the SGS+.
Like annqx said there is a much better communitx for SGS, there are a lot more roms for it.
Sorry for my late reply, I had internet issues the whole week, anyway, I see, maybe then I'm going for the SGS+, since it's newer, I believe it will get more popular in the future. Thanks a lot for your answers!
Not sure it will get that much more popular. Remember galaxy s was top end phone at one point. Now replaced by s2, and soon s3. Just my opinion but could be wrong.
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Well having used both phones and still using S version i would personaly say S as you already know about modding obviously being part of this community .
S+ is better on paper and thats what it only is , unless some drastic change in modding com and suddenly many devs appear for S+...
S with CM7/9 is just to good of phone ...
I'm satisfied with my S Plus. In my opinion it is a good fast phone
And not to forget, GPS is better in the S Plus, many people had problems on that with the SGS.
I9000 is better than I9001 because it have better dev support, better gpu and cpu .
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