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I read the wiki but it only tells you "Why you should" root your phone. Obviously Google removed root from the latest firmware for a reason. If its for security reasons, how can you be "safe" with a rooted phone? Can you still download paid apps from the App store with a rooted phone? How well does the Apps on the SD card work? The main reason I would want to root my phone is for the SD card app feature. The G1 space sucks ass and its constantly telling me I am low on space.
When you root your phone, it automatically installs an app called "SuperUser" (assuming you're using one of JesusFreke's builds). SuperUser allows you to control which applications have root privileges.
Also, Google probably removed root because of stuff like the fact that it enables you to copy protected apps and the like... and even if they didn't know at the time, they probably knew that it would happen
Superuser protects your phone by allowing programs you give permission to that use root. I can still see paid apps in the Market (I haven't bought any yet, but I will). I didn't move my apps onto my SD card because Paragon Partition Manager froze during the partitioning and I had to reinstall Vista .
The only con is that you have to wait for JF's updates
I believe I also read here that rooting your phone voids your warrenty, so if you have a problem with it make sure you switch back to the official firmware before sending it in
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I read the wiki but it only tells you "Why you should" root your phone. Obviously Google removed root from the latest firmware for a reason. If its for security reasons, how can you be "safe" with a rooted phone? Can you still download paid apps from the App store with a rooted phone? How well does the Apps on the SD card work? The main reason I would want to root my phone is for the SD card app feature. The G1 space sucks ass and its constantly telling me I am low on space.
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I'll try to answer your questions the best I can:
-I don't work for Google so be advised this IS pure speculation on my part. With that said, I think they removed root access for the masses to avoid the possibility of folks having their Android handsets compromised by malicious apps.
Though, having root doesn't necessarily mean this WILL happen to you.
So long as you have common sense, and know better to install apps from questionable sources, you'll be fine. Additionally, the JesusFreke firmwares have a "SuperUser Whitelist" app that will ask for escalated privileges whenever a process requires root.
This is provided as another layer of security.
So to say it again, do not allow apps/processes to run unless you KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. Follow that and you won't have any problems.
-Market apps can be installed and used without issue. I have dozens apps installed (and yes, a few paid apps as well) and have had ZERO issues with them. Matter of fact, if you look through the market, you'll see several cool apps that require root (Task Manager, WiFi Tether, etc).
-Far as installing and running apps from the sdcard, I'll defer to someone else because I haven't done it myself. I prefer to wait until an easier, or official method becomes available. Though, I have moved the various caches (Web, Maps, Market, etc) to the sdcard without issue.
That helps to conserve space with the internal memory.
Hopefully that helps you.
Thanks for all the replies. So is it safe to say that if I only install apps from the Android Market I should be safe? Can programs on the Android Market be malicious? Hopefully Google is monitoring the applications for malicious code.
So, what is the "best" guide to use for rooting a RC33 phone?
programs on the market could possibly be malicious, read reviews, i found a game that said it needed the internet, gps, and some other stuff in order to work, but yet the app never used any of those features in the actual gameplay, thus i removed it and reported it as malicious because i frankly don't feel that it should need access to things it isn't gonna use. a general rule is that if a single person said it was malicious then don't install it, and never be the first to install an app. let someone else break their phone first
The only con for rooting your phone is that people who don't know any better usually end up bricking it. "oooh root yay! i don't know what it duz bat it sounds cool! oh no! i brcked it halp plz"
And you can still unbrick your phone pretty easily.
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The only con for rooting your phone is that people who don't know any better usually end up bricking it. "oooh root yay! i don't know what it duz bat it sounds cool! oh no! i brcked it halp plz"
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lol, your quote can be used on a LOL Cat.
i wouldnt say that waiting for the updates is technically waiting, when you have a rooted phone...
at least for me, i must have been on the bottom of t-mobile's randomized IMEI list when it came to updates.. I used to see people all around me have updates for weeks before me. Coincidentally i was the first to have mine... but the updates are released right from the google site, plus the wait time for JF and others to work their magic.
cant complain with a rooted phone, if anyone is skeptical about it... you CAN reverse the process
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-Far as installing and running apps from the sdcard, I'll defer to someone else because I haven't done it myself. I prefer to wait until an easier, or official method becomes available. Though, I have moved the various caches (Web, Maps, Market, etc) to the sdcard without issue.
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I've moved my apps and caches to the sdcard and now I never have to worry about running low on space.
I followed one of the tutorials about moving the apps, but when paid apps came out, I had some problems. The solution was to move not only the "app" directory but also the "app-private" directory to the sdcard. Once I did that, everything was fine. I am able to install both free and paid apps with no problems. I'm very glad I did it -- no regrets.
I have an 8gb sdcard and I partitioned 1gb to apps and caches (ext2 format) and 7gb to data (fat32 format).
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Superuser protects your phone by allowing programs you give permission to that use root. I can still see paid apps in the Market (I haven't bought any yet, but I will). I didn't move my apps onto my SD card because Paragon Partition Manager froze during the partitioning and I had to reinstall Vista .
The only con is that you have to wait for JF's updates
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Rooting may be safe to people like you all, but rooting is definitely the downside of android. Sd card blank and file recognition errors are the opposition to what android has made. I will not root my phone again because of the unexpected long term damage this has caused to my phone. I will tell my friends not to root their phone unless they want to turn their android to ruins. These kind of problems happen for absolutely no reason at all.
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Rooting may be safe to people like you all, but rooting is definitely the downside of android. Sd card blank and file recognition errors are the opposition to what android has made. I will not root my phone again because of the unexpected long term damage this has caused to my phone. I will tell my friends not to root their phone unless they want to turn their android to ruins. These kind of problems happen for absolutely no reason at all.
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I disagree with the statement "downside". Android is about open source and customization. The downside to root is that you need to spend a bit of extra time playing with your phone when it doesn't end up going the way you planned or there are bugs in a new Rom. Other than the extra time on the phone, I have not run into a downside. I have not looked back since I rooted.
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ri123 said:
Rooting may be safe to people like you all, but rooting is definitely the downside of android. Sd card blank and file recognition errors are the opposition to what android has made. I will not root my phone again because of the unexpected long term damage this has caused to my phone. I will tell my friends not to root their phone unless they want to turn their android to ruins. These kind of problems happen for absolutely no reason at all.
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I 100% disagree with this statment. having a rooted phone in itself will not cause any errors. even the process of rooting won't brick a phone or cause problems (so long as you understand what you are doing). although there is the way out in right field chance of something going even if everything is done right (very hard to brick a phone if you truley know what you are doing and are sober at the time)
android has always been and (hopefully) always will be open source. the android code it self in pure aosp is in fact rooted. it is the carriers and cell phone makers and such that lock the bootloader and deny privalage. as any linux user knows it is easily possible to damage you phone/pc/etc if you don't know what you are doing, but having root privalage in itself causes no harm - only to the novice.
this stament of unexpected long term damaged caused by root is false, it was caused by someone not knowing what they were doing and shouldn't have root privalages in the first place.
*excuse my spelling errors as rooting a phone doesn't improve my gramar/spelling*
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I 100% disagree with this statment. having a rooted phone in itself will not cause any errors. even the process of rooting won't brick a phone or cause problems (so long as you understand what you are doing). although there is the way out in right field chance of something going even if everything is done right (very hard to brick a phone if you truley know what you are doing and are sober at the time)
android has always been and (hopefully) always will be open source. the android code it self in pure aosp is in fact rooted. it is the carriers and cell phone makers and such that lock the bootloader and deny privalage. as any linux user knows it is easily possible to damage you phone/pc/etc if you don't know what you are doing, but having root privalage in itself causes no harm - only to the novice.
this stament of unexpected long term damaged caused by root is false, it was caused by someone not knowing what they were doing and shouldn't have root privalages in the first place.
*excuse my spelling errors as rooting a phone doesn't improve my gramar/spelling*
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To prevent factory reset bricking I had to move to a different Rom. I knew what I was doing. I returned to stock Rom and factory reset, and every zip I downloaded from my computer could not be recognised properly by my phone.
I know that android is based on pure root, but who should I blame if something goes wrong with my phone? Every rooted phone becomes faulty, why should I pay extra just because I can't download anymore roms?
Think about the random percentage of people that have had their phones bricked just because of rooting problems. I am one of them.
Your statement "only to the novice" is something I disagree with.
I remember when I read a thread about someone's Samsung Vibrant getting hard bricked all of a sudden! Or when I read a Sony Ericsson touchscreen refusing to work after light debugging. These people will most likely be paying for their android phones.
In a way, I do not completely disagree with you. In a way I believe that Android should start believing in its roots.
For the moment, I do not know who to blame for the mess my phone is in. I didn't do things wrong on purpose. So maybe it is better not to root. Maybe it is more advisable to complain to the creator of your phone if there is not "enough", or if there is too much bloatware. Maybe Android should be fixing my HTC! I need to stop all this unnecessary refusal from happening on my android. This is why I find the essence of rooting initially bad. When there is no limits, something can go wrong.
Please may I let you know that my touchscreen is mostly unresponsive. I will be surprised if I have got all of my spelling correct! If I still had the advantage of the warranty, I would be sending my phone straight to HTC to get repaired.
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ri123 said:
To prevent factory reset bricking I had to move to a different Rom. I knew what I was doing. I returned to stock Rom and factory reset, and every zip I downloaded from my computer could not be recognised properly by my phone.
I know that android is based on pure root, but who should I blame if something goes wrong with my phone? Every rooted phone becomes faulty, why should I pay extra just because I can't download anymore roms?
Think about the random percentage of people that have had their phones bricked just because of rooting problems. I am one of them.
I remember when I read a thread about someone's Samsung Vibrant getting hard bricked all of a sudden! Or when I read a Sony Ericsson touchscreen refusing to work after light debugging.
In a way, I do not completely disagree with you. In a way I believe that Android should start believing in its roots.
For the moment, I do not know who to blame for the mess my phone is in. I didn't do things wrong on purpose. So maybe it is better not to root. Maybe it is more advisable to complain to the creator of your phone if there is not "enough", or if there is too much bloatware. Maybe Android should be fixing my HTC! I need to stop all this unnecessary refusal from happening on my android. This is why I find the essence of rooting initially bad. When there is no limits, something can go wrong.
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I'm not trying to sound rude here but the only blame is to ones self if YOU screw up your phone.
yes you can blame a phone company when the hardware fails from normal use, or your cell phone carrier for adding useless apps. or well blame android for creating an operating system that at its heart allows one to have full access to every part of it.
android doesn't write the radio, android doesn't write the bootloader, they are not firmware or hardware only os. they also are not responsible for a bad rom.
I will say again the act of rooting your phone in itself causes no damage, only when you do something wrong during this process is it possible to brick your phone, and as for the percentage of people who did brick there phone 99.99% of them messed up, that means their own fault.
.01% had a major power surge while phone was updating via fastboot and their computer only coppied a portion of the firmware to the phone and then the dog kicked over the phone knooking the battery out leaving no bootoader... or whatever, it is hard to do this wrong
and again having a rooted phone will intself not brake hardware, not damage firmware, will not cause a single issue
the missue of having root, or the improper method of obtaining root is the only problem, and people who don't know what they are doing (fully understand) well just shouldn't root, or should learn to except blame at the very least...
done with my ranting, good day...
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I'm not trying to sound rude here but the only blame is to ones self if YOU screw up your phone.
yes you can blame a phone company when the hardware fails from normal use, or your cell phone carrier for adding useless apps. or well blame android for creating an operating system that at its heart allows one to have full access to every part of it.
android doesn't write the radio, android doesn't write the bootloader, they are not firmware or hardware only os. they also are not responsible for a bad rom.
I will say again the act of rooting your phone in itself causes no damage, only when you do something wrong during this process is it possible to brick your phone, and as for the percentage of people who did brick there phone 99.99% of them messed up, that means their own fault.
.01% had a major power surge while phone was updating via fastboot and their computer only coppied a portion of the firmware to the phone and then the dog kicked over the phone knooking the battery out leaving no bootoader... or whatever, it is hard to do this wrong
and again having a rooted phone will intself not brake hardware, not damage firmware, will not cause a single issue
the missue of having root, or the improper method of obtaining root is the only problem, and people who don't know what they are doing (fully understand) well just shouldn't root, or should learn to except blame at the very least...
done with my ranting, good day...
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As I have said,one of the problems with rooting is that people have to move off their Rom in case of factory reset bricking.
0.1% have got the limited service error or the bad zip file error with their phone practically in a trap.
Much more than 0.1% have the sdcard blank error
I understand root enough to install roms and unroot my phone.
I did not do this on purpose, I just installed stock Rom and factory reset and my phone did not work as it intended to.
This is why I shall, in the future, ACCEPT things and rant about my rooting experience to those people who would unconsciously root. More ranting is needed.
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ri123 said:
As I have said,one of the problems with rooting is that people have to move off their Rom in case of factory reset bricking.
0.1% have got the limited service error or the bad zip file error with their phone practically in a trap.
Much more than 0.1% have the sdcard blank error
I understand root enough to install roms and unroot my phone.
I did not do this on purpose, I just installed stock Rom and factory reset and my phone did not work as it intended to.
This is why I shall, in the future, ACCEPT things and rant about my rooting experience to those people who would unconsciously root. More ranting is needed.
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whenever you flash something to your phone expecially firmware you should check the md5sum, its a given and those 0.1% would not have a brick due to a curropt download if they did this so again not the fault of root
having root access WILL NOT cause your sd card slot to quit working, this just has no merrit, having root has just doesn't break hardware in itself, it just doesn't
depending on the phone and how you rooted and if you have an unlocked boot loader and loads of other question need to be figured out before you flash a stock rom, especially from bootloader (if the rom is packaged with a radio, hboot, recovery etc)
once you have true soff you can flash almost anything, including things that shouldn't be flashed. have a security flag is good for this exact purpose, to keep people from flashing what they shouldn't - yes this is how most people brick their phone, they don't fully understand.
and I'm not saying you stupid by I do agree it doesn't take a genius to flash a rom, but knowing the steps that someone has written down is diffrent then undertanding why it works
listen I know you said more ranting is neccessary, but it isn't, the fact is you figured out how to have fun with your phone by following some steps you read in a forum somewhere or watched a youtube video, that's great fun, I know I love it to.
but you didn't bother to figure out why it works or what to do/not to do, because you didn't you made a mistake, it happens, no one thinks less of you.
now you should learn from your mistake and learn to accept blame for making this make, no one told you to do what you did, and you didn't take the time to find out the repercutions of what you were about to do before you damaged your phone.
again root privalages in itself CAN'T harm your phone it just enables you to make a mistake as you have lost some security against it, just as owning a gun won't make you shoot someone but gives you the ability to do so (exuse my analogy as I know it is not apples to apples)
**** happens, get on with your life, no need to rant, no one thinks less of you, learn from mistakes, accept blame when you should... and as always exuse my speeling/grammar errors as root in it self won't make me smarter either
good night
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whenever you flash something to your phone expecially firmware you should check the md5sum, its a given and those 0.1% would not have a brick due to a curropt download if they did this so again not the fault of root
having root access WILL NOT cause your sd card slot to quit working, this just has no merrit, having root has just doesn't break hardware in itself, it just doesn't
depending on the phone and how you rooted and if you have an unlocked boot loader and loads of other question need to be figured out before you flash a stock rom, especially from bootloader (if the rom is packaged with a radio, hboot, recovery etc)
once you have true soff you can flash almost anything, including things that shouldn't be flashed. have a security flag is good for this exact purpose, to keep people from flashing what they shouldn't - yes this is how most people brick their phone, they don't fully understand.
and I'm not saying you stupid by I do agree it doesn't take a genius to flash a rom, but knowing the steps that someone has written down is diffrent then undertanding why it works
listen I know you said more ranting is neccessary, but it isn't, the fact is you figured out how to have fun with your phone by following some steps you read in a forum somewhere or watched a youtube video, that's great fun, I know I love it to.
but you didn't bother to figure out why it works or what to do/not to do, because you didn't you made a mistake, it happens, no one thinks less of you.
now you should learn from your mistake and learn to accept blame for making this make, no one told you to do what you did, and you didn't take the time to find out the repercutions of what you were about to do before you damaged your phone.
again root privalages in itself CAN'T harm your phone it just enables you to make a mistake as you have lost some security against it, just as owning a gun won't make you shoot someone but gives you the ability to do so (exuse my analogy as I know it is not apples to apples)
**** happens, get on with your life, no need to rant, no one thinks less of you, learn from mistakes, accept blame when you should... and as always exuse my speeling/grammar errors as root in it self won't make me smarter either
good night
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Thanks for the reply.
I feel more people should know the repercussions and 'cons' of rooting so I thought of involving my situation as it could affect someone's choice of rooting.
What is a security flag? My phone is s on and yet it does not work.
Also, what is 'true soff'?
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I have been reading a lot about this rooting of the phone just so you can install a fix that will get rid of all the so-called Lag issue. Now, I really like to know why is it a MUST to be able to root your phone just to increase the speed of your phone? I do not get it. Are'rt the available programs in the market, to shut down unwanted programs down, sufficient? Like Task killer etc.
I am ordered my phone and hopefully will be getting it soon. But it worried me that the first thing I have to do is 'Root' my phone because of programs running in the background? Does not sound too logical to me.
Samsung is coming out with a new firmware or update next month, so is it really neccessary that I start messing up my phone for something that will be officially available to the public?
Is this lag on every single new Samsung Galaxy S phone on the market?
Is definitely NOT a must to root your phone! It depends from what you need!
New android devices this days, specially those who have a Snapdragon Cpu, I think they don't have ANY lag problems because they are superfast!!
And the purpose of the root is definitely NOT a multitasking problem or how many app they are running in the background....
I don't know about the Samsung in particular, but I think that you won't have any lag problem or whatever if you buy it...
Rooting your phone invalidate your warranty and could brick it, and since now you are "new" to the rooting experience (from what I understood), I recommend you to wait and see if you just like it with the official rom..
Just to make you understand what a root is... I have and HTC Hero and my CPU is a Qualcomm 525 mhz (pretty old ) and I wanted to give that extra power needed to use also new apps and updates from this days that otherwise I won't be able to use at their best with my old phone.
With the root gained I could overclock my CPU up to 730 mhz, use apps like "titanium backup" or "APP2SD", update my old 1.5 android to a new and superfast Froyo 2.2 that otherwise my Hero would never get, and basically customize my phone in many differents way.... understood?
I hope I helped you...
Thanks for the reply. I understand you clearly but haven't read the new Samsung Galaxy S many posts and that how majority of the folks are rooting because of lag issues, is what made me make this thread in the first place.
As mentioned in my first post I will be a new Samsung Galaxy S owner and was trying to prepare myself by reading many( and I do mean many) post about Samsung Galaxy S, just to get myself familiar with the phone through the eyes of other owners while I wait for my phone to arrive.
Most seem to be rooting their phones so they can install some lagfix. Well it seems whatever lag they are experiencing seems to have been all cured up after this wonderful lagfix. I just wanted to know if it was really necessary to start on this course, immediately after getting my new phone?
No.
Stock firmware isn't that awful.
Take into acount that in december Froyo going to come and some performance issues going to be solved.
Some people just love to get all the juice out of their device, just like with PCs and overclockers.
It's not must thing for everyone. Aspecially if you got no time for it or real need.
I rooted my device to add hebrew fonts for example. Never applied lag fix.
Thanks Mike. Good to hear it. Are there anything I should keep in mind, like programs that will be a necessity to my new phone?
BTW, I heard the SGS has a GPS issue that will be fixed with an update from Samsung.
Many ppl will recomend you some kind of task killers as the first must program...but I dont really think that is needed in android os (actually it can decrease performance).
So maybe the only must app is...Barcode Scanner to help you download all the other cool apps!
About the GPS problem, yes there seem to be some kind of a problem, but I never noticed anything that horrible. Maybe because I use GPS only once or twice a week, or maybe my geo location is blassed with multiple satelites, I really don't know.
If you going to relay on your SGS as main navigation device, maybe you should wait for froyo update to see whats fixed and what isn't.
Thanks Mike. No, I do not use GPS often so I can survive without to a point, maybe. Perhaps, maybe if I need to find a particular location while on foot, that I do find it handy. Otherwise I use a proper scale GPS system in my car.
So, I can wait for the Froyo update that s suppose to come next month.
My brother in law has an unrooted SGS running the stock Australian firmware. He still replaced the launcher with LauncherPro, which made his phone a little smoother. It's definitely still quite fast and usable.... just not as fast and usable as mine with the JM5 firmware and lag fix
Appreciate the input Jimmy. I think I'll wait until the Froyo update and GPS fix to be officially release and see how it behaves before making any major changes to my phone. As long as it does not stop me from enjoying all the benefits of the apps market and whatever enjoyment there is for this phone.
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Take into acount that in december Froyo going to come and some performance issues going to be solved.
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December? I thought it was going to be a LOT sooner (I thought September)..
You need to root your phone if you want to install the latest firmware.
If you are using any of the latest firmwares, you don't need to use Task Killer. Android is smart enough and able to manage resources without any problem.
I'm on JM2 firmware with lagfix. Blazing fast.
If you just bought your phone and didn't do anything with it, it's slow as hell.
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You need to root your phone if you want to install the latest firmware.
If you are using any of the latest firmwares, you don't need to use Task Killer. Android is smart enough and able to manage resources without any problem.
I'm on JM2 firmware with lagfix. Blazing fast.
If you just bought your phone and didn't do anything with it, it's slow as hell.
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Umm.. That's WRONG! Once again, ROOTING IS NOT REQUIRED TO CHANGE FIRMWARE OR INSTALL OTHER FIRMWARE!!! And I wish people would stop saying this..
That being said, you don't really need to do much these days. You possibly need to root for lagfixes (I've never used them though). I don't really care about the lag that much honestly. But unless you are messing with the operating system, there generally isn't any need to root. I am running an unrooted phone now, and it does everything I want. But each to their own...
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Umm.. That's WRONG! Once again, ROOTING IS NOT REQUIRED TO CHANGE FIRMWARE OR INSTALL OTHER FIRMWARE!!! And I wish people would stop saying this...
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That's exactly what I do not understand. Samsung makes a firmware that will be updated in the phone( without rooting). So why do people root to install a firmware?????
Can't the lagfix be install regardless? Didn't Sansung make the unofficial( or beta) firmware that you all are installing into your phones?
I'm waiting for my phone to come through but I'm not going to this as I'm not confident enough and I don't want to brick, btw when we get the phone should we charge it for 24hrs or use it till it dead and charge till its full and used till its dead and do this twice so the battery apparently gets better I read this in another post and was wondering what is better?
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I'm waiting for my phone to come through but I'm not going to this as I'm not confident enough and I don't want to brick, btw when we get the phone should we charge it for 24hrs or use it till it dead and charge till its full and used till its dead and do this twice so the battery apparently gets better I read this in another post and was wondering what is better?
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Like I said, I'm going to wait for the official Samsung Froyo update that is suppose to retify all the issues, both Lag and GPS.
As for the battery issue. I just started a thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7799467&postcount=1
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I'm on JM2 firmware with lagfix. Blazing fast.
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I'm on JM1 updated via KIES, not rooted or lagfixed and mine is "Blazing fast"
ebue said:
That's exactly what I do not understand. Samsung makes a firmware that will be updated in the phone( without rooting). So why do people root to install a firmware?????
Can't the lagfix be install regardless? Didn't Sansung make the unofficial( or beta) firmware that you all are installing into your phones?
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From what I can gather (im quite a newbie when it comes to rooting / firmware), most of the firmware listed on here and samsung-firmware.webs.com require your phone to be rooted.
They are not officially released from Samsung, but instead are beta firmware which has been leaked out to the community.
I myself am running official Samsung firmware which was released through Kies (Australian JG4 via Optus) and my phone is not rooted.
Please correct me if im wrong, as I am still quite new to the SGS
Well,
Galaxy S is a tools and like good tools, I like it to configured it to my liking.
I like to have reboot button on home screen rather than holding power buttons for 6 seconds.
I like to have adfree app, to get rid of all annoying adds.
I like to use lag-free fix to make it even faster.
I like to use autokills app to configured how galaxy s manage its memories.
I like to use MyBackupPro to backup my apps, when I am upgrading factory firmware through kies and not having to re-install all my applications one by one.
Considering that rooting is painless safe and reversible. I don't see the advantage of not rooting your phone.
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Well,
Galaxy S is a tools and like good tools, I like it to configured it to my liking.
I like to have reboot button on home screen rather than holding power buttons for 6 seconds.
I like to have adfree app, to get rid of all annoying adds.
I like to use lag-free fix to make it even faster.
I like to use autokills app to configured how galaxy s manage its memories.
I like to use MyBackupPro to backup my apps, when I am upgrading factory firmware through kies and not having to re-install all my applications one by one.
Considering that rooting is painless safe and reversible. I don't see the advantage of not rooting your phone.
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I guess that prettyuch sums it up But what happens when Samsung releases the new and official firmware that supposely does all that you have mentioned( I am assuming so); don't you have to go back to the original Firmware to be able to update to the new one?
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From what I can gather (im quite a newbie when it comes to rooting / firmware), most of the firmware listed on here and samsung-firmware.webs.com require your phone to be rooted.
They are not officially released from Samsung, but instead are beta firmware which has been leaked out to the community.
I myself am running official Samsung firmware which was released through Kies (Australian JG4 via Optus) and my phone is not rooted.
Please correct me if im wrong, as I am still quite new to the SGS
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Ok.. Clearly, there is a lot of wrong info out there.. Root access is not needed at all for running beta firmware.
My phone has been somewhat glitchy since updating, various force closes and such. I'm fairly experienced with rooting, so doing it won't be a challenge, but my question is whether to try a factory reset first, or since i'll be re-setting the phone anyways, find a good ROM and flash over?
Just don't want to lose my factory warranty if possible :-/... Although I read that HTC's warranty can still cover some defects even if rooted... So is this a moot point?
I used the Kingo Root method to root my Note 3 that was running 4.3. When I decided that I was ready to go ahead with the AT&T 4.4.2 FOTA; I used it to un-root so my phone would accept the update. Both processes indicated that they were successful. However; my Note 3 will not accept the update under any circumstances. It downloads the FOTA - which takes close to an hour - and gets to the 25% install point after rebooting and fails with "Invalid Signature" appearing for a few seconds after the "Installation Failed!". It then unceremoniously does a factory restore and I'm left with, yet, another setup procedure and reinstallation of all of my apps, passwords, etc.
This has happened twice with two different phones - the other being my Samsung S4. Exactly the same sequence. I took the S4 to Best Buy, after AT&T forced an update to it, and it, too, failed. Samsung did a direct flash to the S4 and it indicated that it took the 4.4.2 successfully. However, when the phone rebooted, it was still 4.3. Samsung scratched their head and couldn't figure it out. I see no sense in try to do the same with the Note 3 since it will likely be the same experience.
Neither phone show the KNOX trigger having been tripped, and both show "Official" as though nothing had ever been done. I never did any modifications to either phone, other than the root / un-root to stall the FOTA, until I was sure that I was comfortable with the update.
I sent an email to the same effect as this post to Kingo, with no response.
Has anyone had the same experience?
I know that for a while, there was a great deal of concern over the Kingo Root method, but thought that it had been resolved and that any myths had been debunked.
Did I shoot myself in the foot?
Hey friend, this has been asked A LOT in this forum. All you had to do what look through the first page and you'd see this topic.
However you're scared and our phone are probably our more personal and needed device so I understand your impatience and panic.
How to fix: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701062
Be well, relax, everything is going to be ok. You're not alone . We're with you my new friend.
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Sorry for posting in the wrong thread. I searched over the weekend, but didn't see what looked like an answer.
Thank you so much for posting the direct link! And, thanks for not mountain climbing me about the gaffe.
I'm still fairly new to this, so I genuinely beg everyone's pardon for the mis-post. I'm still trying to learn how to navigate through the different sub-forums. I'll try to be more courteous in the future.
Now, I'm in a REAL pickle! AT&T is trying to cram KK down my throat on my Note 3 and I have about 4 hours (according to their website) to respond before they force it. On the AT&T variant; there is no way that I know of to block the update; except temporarily. Then; it's back to the wash, rinse, repeat cycle of having to restore my phone and apps - EVERY time the update fails!
I still haven't done the downgrade; because after rooting and installing a custom 4.4.2 ROM on my kid's phone least night; I decided that I want to re-root my Note 3 and install KNOXRAID as a custom on my Note 3.
My dilemma is; if AT&T crams the update down my throat - as they did with my S4; it's going to fail again, and I'm going to have to start from scratch again, and again until I find a solution.
I tried re-rooting my Note 3 with Kingo, but it fails every time, now.
So; what should I do? My hunch is that I'm going to have to do the 4.3 fix and restore it back to factory, but then it would allow AT&T to actually force THEIR KK into the N3, and I'd be screwed, until a root method is obtained for KK.
PLEASE! Any suggestions? I suppose, for the short term; I could cut off my N3; install my SIM into my S4 and use it until I'm able to resolve the issue with the N3. I need Total Recall to work on my N3, and KK will definitely kill it.
*UPDATE* I turned the N3 off, removed the battery and SIM and installed the SIM in the S4, and am using it for the short term. Unfortunately; my S4 already has the AT&T KK update installed, and I need to resolve the issue with the N3 as quickly as I can. My hunch is; to avoid them doing it again; I'm going to have to turn off Wi-Fi and place the N3 in "Airplane" mode and leave the SIM card out of it until I'm comfortable - and have a clear method of installing KNOXRAID.
Still hoping for a solution. At this pint; I'm not that concerned about tripping the KNOX sensor on the N3, but would prefer to be able to flash back if I needed to enforce my warranty.
Thanks!
Hi all,
Any easy / straightforward way to roll back to KK? I've tried my best to like lollipop, but ugh
I'd like to get back to KK, with root access and a debloat of sorts but maintaining DRM keys for camera functionality... anyone have a straightforward guide?
Could care less about google apps, but I do use the maps navigation quite alot... but hangouts, google now etc just irritates me.. is this possible?
Im all stock, never modded
Regards
I'm not an expert by any means, but can show you the guide I used. I was really glad I did it - it's involved, but totally worth it, and increased my Android ability/confidence with the Z3C. Losing the DRM keys, uncertainties with the bootloader etc. still make me nervous but my phone is currently the best it's ever been. Am on stock but rooted and partially debloated.
I'm on my phone at the moment but tomorrow at my desk I'll pull up the link for you.
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I'm not an expert by any means, but can show you the guide I used. I was really glad I did it - it's involved, but totally worth it, and increased my Android ability/confidence with the Z3C. Losing the DRM keys, uncertainties with the bootloader etc. still make me nervous but my phone is currently the best it's ever been. Am on stock but rooted and partially debloated.
I'm on my phone at the moment but tomorrow at my desk I'll pull up the link for you.
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That would be most awesome.. thanks!
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That would be most awesome.. thanks!
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So this is the guide I used:
How-to: root, keep and backup DRM keys, etc. [KitKat/Lollipops]
..and I went from stock Lollipop I'd upgraded OTA, down to a rooted KK. For reference, from that guide, I'm a SIM free UK user so downloaded that .77 firmware and then built my own pre-rooted image when it came to step 26. The guide is, in only a few places, a little bit vague but it it's easy to figure out yourself once you're halfway through the process and actually doing it all.
While the process was involved, I did not find it challenging or frightening. Read it through several times in advance before attempting it, and download all the files you'll need ahead of time to save waiting around once you're actually rooting. Obviously back up all your valuable data before starting, just in case. If you come across any errors, make sure you have ADB debugging enabled, allow mock locations (and I also checked allow unknown sources as well). Also make sure you have all the relevant drivers. These are the most common things that trip people up when rooting on any device, in my experience so far.
Once you've successfully completed the process, I then installed a tool called Debloater. This is very easy to use, and allows you to tick off packages that you want to block, but you can also remove them entirely. What I'm doing right now is running for a week or two with the packages blocked that I'll probably want to remove, and once I'm satisfied everything is safe, I'll then actually remove them down the line.
There's no definitive list of what each package is or does though, so I removed the ones I definitely wanted to get rid of that I knew were obvious plus a few others that I took a safe guess at, or used other a few people's posts and cross-referenced them. Be careful though, some are essential to keep! I have those links bookmarked on my home PC and can dig them out for you once you're at that stage! Or alternatively, compile a list of what I've blocked myself. But I guess some of the fun is customising it to your own needs anyway, and learning along the way
Any questions, please let me know. I'm far from an expert but these boards don't seem to be too vibrant for our phones compared to other devices, probably because it took so long to get us to the point of being able to do this. Still, it's the best device I've ever owned and I'm very, very happy with where it is now thanks to the hard work of those who made root etc. possible.
This is awesome, ive got myself rooted and everything now.. will go ahead and deblot
I also concur regarding the phone.. easily my best too!
Thanks again