The motion blur from my HD7 while scrolling text is very noticeable. Is it the way it should be with a TFT LCD screen. My brother has a Samsung Omnia 7 and there is no motion blur while scrolling text.
Creka said:
The motion blur from my HD7 while scrolling text is very noticeable. Is it the way it should be with a TFT LCD screen. My brother has a Samsung Omnia 7 and there is no motion blur while scrolling text.
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My best guess is it's the SAMOLED screen on the Omnia 7. I have the Surround and HD7 here and both have the "motion blur".
Change the HD7 to light theme and see if it goes away.
Yes it's how it's supposed to work with LCD screen especially the big ones. I remember I bought a Samsung LCD for my PC several years back and when I was playing FIFA the players got blurry when the camera was moved instantly.
To be honest for me it's not a deal-breaker and I am not even bothered by it.In fact it kinda gives a cool futuristic factor which next-gen games seem to have these days but that's just me.
Guys, we are talking about 2010 LCD tech where most TFT screens can cope with motions. Scroll text can't really compare with playing games and watching sport events.
Have not tried playing action games on my HD7, but scroll "black" text seems better, but scroll colour/white text, the motion blur is a bit unbearable, makes me a little dizzy.
i 've tried LG optimus7, HTC Mozart and Trophy - all have this motion blur (set with HIGH brightness on black screen). I think HD7 is just more obvious due to size of screen compared to the rest (3.7-3.8")
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Well I got CM6 on my slide and I see a prob, actually this happened before.
I use launcher pro and for some reason the nexus live wallpaper, whedn you touch a spot its suppose to have an effect. Well when I touch the screen, the effect appears all the way to the right. Any help oh this? Anybody had this problem?
remixtherom said:
Well I got CM6 on my slide and I see a prob, actually this happened before.
I use launcher pro and for some reason the nexus live wallpaper, whedn you touch a spot its suppose to have an effect. Well when I touch the screen, the effect appears all the way to the right. Any help oh this? Anybody had this problem?
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I noticed the effect is only accurate on the main screen. ie when it's multiple screens, the further away from the main screen I get, the more offset the effect is from where you touch it.
If I go from multiple screens to one screen it doesn't show unless I manually switch to the first screen and then change it the option.
Sorry if that sounds confusing lol, but that's what I did. I know there's an option in screen settings for choosing your main screen.
nexus lwp is not programmed for our displays. it is displaying the touches based on our Touch Screen on a HDPI screen display so thats why on the VERY LEFT screen all of your touches are perfectly drawn. but because our hardware display is smaller the hdpi display your seeing is offset to the right.
hope that somewhat explains it for you.
its the equivalent of comparing a 22 inch rim roll one rotation and a 10 inch rim roll 1 rotation. the 22 inch rim will roll further than the 10 inch.
We unfortunately have the 10 "
Just a thought but the new t-mobile motorola charm is blur with 2.1 and has live wallpaper support including the nexus lwp, considering its the same resolution as the slide and all lower res screens couldn't we pull it from that?
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After that post I decided to search for an existing dump of the charm to take a look, I was unable to locate one so I will dump the system from one of the units I have tomorrow then see if anyone is interested in working on the lwp or porting the blur 1.5 with android 2.1 to other devices such as the slide.
Hi,
I have just purchased an HD7 and I really like it so far but I have a question regarding some screen distortion I am seeing when I scroll through menu's, apps, etc...
For example (and where it is most noticable although it does happen in other areas as well) when I go to the applications menu (where all apps are located to the right of the Windows screen) and I scroll through the apps from top to bottom, all the writing beside each app icon becomes so distorted while scrolling (almost static like) that you cannot even make out what the words are saying until the scrolling stops and then everything is ledgable again. Is this normal?
On my Galaxy S the scrolling does not affect the font / writing this way at all and even on my old Omnia i910 I dont remember seeing this type of distortion when scrolling.
If someone can please advise me on this I would really appreciate it. Is this normal for this device? Does yours do it? Anyway to fix it?
Thanks
yiannisthegreek
It's normal behaviour but I'm not sure of the cause. From what I've seen, this only happens when using the black theme. If you use the white theme it doesn't happen.
Shadowise said:
It's normal behaviour but I'm not sure of the cause. From what I've seen, this only happens when using the black theme. If you use the white theme it doesn't happen.
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Thank You for the reply. Really? Hmmm... That is odd. I wonder if this will be something that will be fixed in updates perhaps?
I use a black theme and this doesn't happen to me at all. Certainly not to the point it's unreadable.
jimbonics said:
I use a black theme and this doesn't happen to me at all. Certainly not to the point it's unreadable.
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Hmmm... Now Im confused... One person says it happens to him and one says it does not.
Do you experience any distortion of the writing in apps, etc while scrolling? It is minimal when I scroll slowly but when I scroll fast it is quite noticable.
PS... I did also try the white theme and it does not do it in the white theme as was mentioned by the other poster... Only in the Black theme.
I guess I'm not sure what the deal is. When I'm scrolling fast, it could be a million dollar screen with perfect clarity and I STILL wouldn't be able to "read" what was there. I mean, I have 20-20 vision and am a pretty quick reader and I can barely read my chat log scrolling slowly. When scrolling fast enough to "distort" you would have to be able to read about 120 words per second (I scroll through three screens worth of text in less than a second, about 40 words per screen). That's 7200 words per minute which is darn near World Record Speed Reading (not counting those who skim most of it and lose a great deal of comprehension).
I'd just like to say that it's not a major issue for me, but it does happen. When scrolling the app list, the text does fade out, but I don't really see it as much of an issue as the items are moving so fast that you wouldn't be able to read the text at any rate. As the list is alphabetical, I know where I need to stop, I'm not reading the apps one by one as I go along.
I'm not sure now if the OP is experiencing a different issue but he did confirm, as I have, that it doesn't happen in the white theme.
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I'd just like to say that it's not a major issue for me, but it does happen. When scrolling the app list, the text does fade out, but I don't really see it as much of an issue as the items are moving so fast that you wouldn't be able to read the text at any rate. As the list is alphabetical, I know where I need to stop, I'm not reading the apps one by one as I go along.
I'm not sure now if the OP is experiencing a different issue but he did confirm, as I have, that it doesn't happen in the white theme.
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@Shadowise,
Yes... This is what I am talking about and again Thank You for your answers. I also really notice this when using the People Live Tile and especially in the synced Facebook listing. The text DOES fade out and the smaller the text the more faded it seems to become. Again... This is in the Black theme.
Also, I have noticed while in the People "hub" when scrolling from side to side that the screen itself darkens / dims out while scrolling and it also DOES this in the White theme as well. Is this also normal behavior?
If your not sure what I am talking about then please go into the People tile and just hold your finger on the top of the screen (where it says people in big letters) and slowly slide your finger and you will see the screen darken / dim out as it scrolls - unless there is something wrong with MY device in which case you may not notice what I am talking about.
Please let me know if this happens to you and if this is normal as well. Again... my Android does NOT do these things and so I am not sure if this is normal behavior.
Thanks in advance...
yiannisthegreek
My screen absolutely does not do this. The people tile actualy looks sharper than the apps screen, regardless of how fast I scroll. The screen does not dim out _at all_.
Black background.
It happens over here as well this is due to Motion Blur, the quality of screen used by HTC is poor and this is a known issue with the HTC HD7 and HTC Surround. HTC should have used a better screen specially for its flagship device on the Windows phone 7 platform. But i guess thats the main reason they didn't; the platform is new theres no need to increase costs for a niche emerging market.
Ok... I am confused again... One answer says that this absolutely DOES NOT happen to him and another answer says that it DOES... LOL!!!
This happens because of the 4.3" screen. It's not the best screen in the world. The 4.1" dell venue pro screen never exhibited this behavior and when I switched to the hd7 I noticed it immediately.
It's called response time, it's not fast enough as some other screen, basically it's more prominent while using black theme because it takes full response time (i.e. 8ms) for a pixel to change it colour from black to white and then to black again while you scrolling.
microhaxo said:
This happens because of the 4.3" screen. It's not the best screen in the world. The 4.1" dell venue pro screen never exhibited this behavior and when I switched to the hd7 I noticed it immediately.
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The funny thing is that the more I play with it the more I notice that this only really happens within the stock Microsoft OS apps like People, Zune, etc. When I scroll through other 3rd party apps such as Facebook (actual app and not the synced version in the People tab), FIM (Facebook Instant Messenger), among other 3rd party apps that this fade out / distortion does not take place.
Anyone else find the same?
EDIT... I have confirmed the fade out / screen distortion to again seemingly only to be affecting the Microsoft stock OS apps again after going into Marketplace, Office, (along with the others mentioned above). It does not seem to affect 3rd party apps... Facebook, FIM, Yellowpages, YouTube, etc.
Again... Anyone else find the same or can check?
jimbonics said:
My screen absolutely does not do this. The people tile actualy looks sharper than the apps screen, regardless of how fast I scroll. The screen does not dim out _at all_.
Black background.
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We're not talking about the whole screen, just the text.
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We're not talking about the whole screen, just the text.
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Actually... I am talking about like 3/4 of the entire screen when scrolling from side to side in any Microsoft stock OS App.
Like I said in my previous post... if you go into say the People live tile and place your finger on the top portion of the screen where in big writing it says "people" and just slowly start to move your finger to scroll you will see the bottom half of the entire page / app dim out until you remove your finger or it completes its scroll.
As I said... it does this on my device in EVERY Microsoft STOCK OS app like People, Zune, Marketplace, XBOX Live, etc but in 3rd party apps it does NOT do this. This happens in WHITE theme as well.
To try and reproduce this please go to any Microsoft OS App like "people", press your finger at the top of the page and move your finger side to side in short movements and watch your screen. You should see the dimming effect unless my phone is defective or something.
Please tell me what you find.
i'm pretty sure this is not a bug or an issue, it's just intentional, and it's 100% a software thing, you can see that in many wp7 reviews...
but a different thing is the effect you see scrolling the applist, that one is related to the hd7 screen and you won't see it using, for example, an omnia7
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i'm pretty sure this is not a bug or an issue, it's just intentional, and it's 100% a software thing, you can see that in many wp7 reviews...
but a different thing is the effect you see scrolling the applist, that one is related to the hd7 screen and you won't see it using, for example, an omnia7
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Do you have an HD7? Can you confirm if your screen does the same "dim / fade out" thing in the Microsoft apps as I have described? Also... Why does it not do this in 3rd party apps then like youtube for example? I have even checked the HTC Hub app and in the HTC app store it does not fade / dim out but it sure does in the Microsoft Marketplace app. Weird.
As for the thing you mention about the app list and the screen - well that is my first big dissapointment with this phone. I have a Samsung Galaxy S and of course the SAMOLED is AWESOME but this phone is said to have the S-LCD (Super LCD) display which is supposed to be a pretty good screen too.
Well... I found a youtube link regarding the BLACK theme scrolling words distortion. Here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RperdOR8y5g
But I have not found anything about the screen fade/dimming in Microsoft apps so I hope one of you out here can reproduce it and tell me my phone is ok (even though it will still kinda suck)... LOL!!!
djpianz said:
It's called response time, it's not fast enough as some other screen, basically it's more prominent while using black theme because it takes full response time (i.e. 8ms) for a pixel to change it colour from black to white and then to black again while you scrolling.
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this is the full reason why ^
I actually realized this since the first day of using the tablet... I noticed that the screen actually got stretched when you set your tablet in landscape mode and squished in while in portrait mode.
I suspect that the OS is running at a wrong native resolution... Does anyone have similar observation?
Yep, me too
I noticed the same issue. Circular icons look especially bad. Funny enough, the tablet on the packaging also has a distorted screen. In Youtube, videos have black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. This shouldn't be the case, as 1024x600 is a 16:9 aspect ratio, and videos are typically 16:9.
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adb shell dumpsys display
contains the following output:
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mPhys=PhysicalDisplayInfo{600 x 1024, 59.670002 fps, density 1.0, 177.209 x 171.115 dpi, secure true, appVsyncOffset -5000000, bufferDeadline 22758840}
Yup, installed luna icon pack and looks horrible. Same as letters in Google keyboard.
I was just getting on to post about this very thing. Here is an image comparison I put together showing a screen shot side-by-side with a photo of the screen:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Z0bpkQXwBFR1djTnJLSGlsTkU/view
According to the images I pulled, the nominal screen resolution is 600x1024, which is also the hardware spec. But the actual image you see is the same aspect ratio as a display with a resolution of 600x1080. This suggests that the display pixels aren't actually square. I tried a couple of resolution changers in the Play Store but they just scale the display without addressing the issue.
I found an old Google Groups post asking about a cheap tablet with non-square pixels, and the answer in 2012 wasn't very encouraging. I wonder if something could be done through an Xposed module?
I lowered the dpi to 150 just to test and same result...
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I was just getting on to post about this very thing. Here is an image comparison I put together showing a screen shot side-by-side with a photo of the screen:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Z0bpkQXwBFR1djTnJLSGlsTkU/view
According to the images I pulled, the nominal screen resolution is 600x1024, which is also the hardware spec. But the actual image you see is the same aspect ratio as a display with a resolution of 600x1080. This suggests that the display pixels aren't actually square. I tried a couple of resolution changers in the Play Store but they just scale the display without addressing the issue.
I found an old Google Groups post asking about a cheap tablet with non-square pixels, and the answer in 2012 wasn't very encouraging. I wonder if something could be done through an Xposed module?
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Also, this line from the display dump above similarly seems to indicate non-square pixels:
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density 1.0, 177.209 x 171.115 dpi
Anyone know how to change horizonal and vertical dpi independently?
Apparently the dpi is 160 normally.
You can set it higher and the icons will look less stretched but the dpi seems correct.
Yeah, this is sadly typical in cheap chinese tablets. What really surprises me is that almost nobody talks about this, and most of the people don't even notice it even after pointing it to them
I've also noticed that this screen has what I think is a slow redraw rate (i. e. painting line by line from the top) which cause funky scroll effects, especially in dark backgrounds in portrait. Grab the tablet with the buttons on top and scroll quickly in the Kindle Store and you'll see it
I watched a video on the Fire for the first time, and while this isn't exactly a scientific test, the video did not seem stretched out or distorted to me. I tested with a second video and it too seemed to display with the correct aspect ratio. If so, then that suggests that the display, controller, and drivers are all capable of rendering an image that is not distorted, and that it may be an issue with the rendering of the Android UI.
Up, i would love having a fix for this.
Mine doesnt seem to show these problems? Is it just a some devices problem or am I missing something?
zach61797 said:
Mine doesnt seem to show these problems? Is it just a some devices problem or am I missing something?
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Just got one of the $50 Fire tablets delivered and this is one of the first things I noticed. Look at a circular icon when it's in portrait and when it's in landscape and it's really obvious. I noticed it on the Pinterest icon.
If this really is a hardware issue, I don't suppose there's any way to fix it? If not I'll probably return it and get my money back.
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Just got one of the $50 Fire tablets delivered and this is one of the first things I noticed. Look at a circular icon when it's in portrait and when it's in landscape and it's really obvious. I noticed it on the Pinterest icon.
If this really is a hardware issue, I don't suppose there's any way to fix it? If not I'll probably return it and get my money back.
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Idk.. I don't really notice it maybe it's just my perspective the seem good to me.
It didn't jump out at me, but yes, the screen is definitely wider than 1024/600. Maybe it is 16:9.
I did notice the weird scrolling. Perhaps it's refreshed in some interlaced fashion?
I've noticed that some people just don't see it. Coincidentally in my case it was the same people that watch 4:3 content stretched in their 16:9 TVs and are happy with it
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I've noticed that some people just don't see it. Coincidentally in my case it was the same people that watch 4:3 content stretched in their 16:9 TVs and are happy with it
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^^^ This!
The incorrect aspect ratio is really distracting. I hope there's a way to fix it now that custom ROMs are available.
Hey guys! Does anyone else have a problem with scrolling. When I scroll down a page it looks like the left side is scrolling slower than the right. So for example, if you scroll down on a page full of horizontal lines or text, all the text slopes to the right until the page stops. I'm not sure if this is normal because the tablets so cheap or if its just mine?
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Hey guys! Does anyone else have a problem with scrolling. When I scroll down a page it looks like the left side is scrolling slower than the right. So for example, if you scroll down on a page full of horizontal lines or text, all the text slopes to the right until the page stops. I'm not sure if this is normal because the tablets so cheap or if its just mine?
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It seems "normal" for this tablet, sadly:
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I've also noticed that this screen has what I think is a slow redraw rate (i. e. painting line by line from the top) which cause funky scroll effects, especially in dark backgrounds in portrait. Grab the tablet with the buttons on top and scroll quickly in the Kindle Store and you'll see it
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Can't complaint it's rather solid for it's price imo.
Aghh glad its not just mine then. I'm loving the fire! Though it was going to be rubbish but really surprised!
Has anyone else noticed issues with their P20 Pro screen? I'm seeing a subtle halo effect of white bleeding out of black text (usually when it's on a white background) which actually makes reading quite tough.
Also - is anyone else having issues with Google Photos? Mine stutters between changing images and the whole UX doesn't animate anywhere near as smoothly as it should.
This is a real shame for a brand new flagship to have such poor performance!
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Has anyone else noticed issues with their P20 Pro screen? I'm seeing a subtle halo effect of white bleeding out of black text (usually when it's on a white background) which actually makes reading quite tough.
Also - is anyone else having issues with Google Photos? Mine stutters between changing images and the whole UX doesn't animate anywhere near as smoothly as it should.
This is a real shame for a brand new flagship to have such poor performance!
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I have the same problem with screen. Bought it in Russia, but didnt find any mentions about this on russian forums.
Mja089 said:
Has anyone else noticed issues with their P20 Pro screen? I'm seeing a subtle halo effect of white bleeding out of black text (usually when it's on a white background) which actually makes reading quite tough.
Also - is anyone else having issues with Google Photos? Mine stutters between changing images and the whole UX doesn't animate anywhere near as smoothly as it should.
This is a real shame for a brand new flagship to have such poor performance!
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I don't see the issue myself and I read a lot of web articles.
As for the performance, it does stutter swiping through photos, but I believe this is due to the touchscreen lag which is fixed in a later update (apparently)
I am having the same issue. I saw this before on my Nexus 5. Maybe this isn't a failure? Maybe it can be corrected with some special display settings?