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[Q] new SGT owner

so i was given a tab for fathers dad and the wife went to BB and they talked her into paying full price for a tab i think it was like 400+. it was what i wanted (a tab at least) so i played with it for a while but took it back because i felt she spent to much. while i had it though it was a bit sluggish on its performance and did freeze and the browser did crash a few times randomly.
so after i had it i knew i really wanted a tab so i began my search and for my use of one just to waste time on the net and send emails and maybe watch some youtube i just needed a cheap no high end tab. well i was going to buy the nook color and root it and call it a day but 249.00 was still a little high. so i came across an amazing deal and got 2 tabs for less then 300.00 so with that said i have a few questions
1. is there an app or do i have to root then get an app to correct the sluggish issues??
2. my tabs say verizon on the back is this a good or bad thing. just talking random people on the streets i hear that because of the carrier im restricted in certain capacities??
3.ive seen u can over clock these but its only by .2 is it worth it??
4. is upgrading to honeycomb gonna be worth it ?? like is there a performance benefit for this or is it just cosmetic
5. my wife does online classes with phoenix she says she needs to be able to write and save papers as word 97 format. will she be able to do this on the tab??
very excited to start playing with my tab thanks in advance guys

As far as a app to fix the sluggishness, its not one app fixes all, its a combination of alot of things, search the forums, see what people are doing. As far as verizin on the back. That just means that you can only hook them up tgrough a cdma network and at that price they may very well have bad esn's, which if they do, there's a high chance that they are stolen. Not trying to give a don't buy used speach. It just means that they will never work on verizon.
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Honey comb will not come out for these devices. They use the phone version of the new software which is gingerbread and yes that is already starting to roll out in italy.
As far as a .2 over clock, it really depends on what you are doing. Some people say yes over clock some say no. Once again just browse the forjms and see what people say. Doesn't have to necessarily be just the tab. See what peoples results are with any device, that should give you a pretty good idea.
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One more thing. As far as gingerbread, it does do something for performace. Don't quote me on this but I belive I read somewhere thay samsung was improving the video drivers for the hummingbird chipset so we may see better graphics after the update.
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Having a CDMA tablet also limits you to the Roms you can use. Make sure, if you decide to upgrade firmware, that it is a CDMA rom you are flashing as the GSM roms will probably brick your device...

Ok so from the responses I need to make sure I use CDMA roms and not gsm. What is the difference?? Also I need to make sure I run gingerbread?? Not sure what that means but I guess I have some homework to do. Lol. Also I'm not going to be using these on the 3G networks just wifi. If they did have broken cs..somthings that was said above will that effect the wifi??

Google voice search (and Google now) very slow to reply

I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.

sanjeevkafle said:
I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.
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Could be your accent or your connection, i get responses pretty much instantly when i do a voice search.

Might be the accent. My dad is Filipino and his iPhone 4S can't really understand him.
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wiithepeng said:
Might be the accent. My dad is Filipino and his iPhone 4S can't really understand him.
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That gave me a good laugh. I could just imagine Siri going "Huh??" :silly:

Even if it doesn't recognize the accent, I don't think it takes a minute to realize that.
Think it straightaway searches in Google instead of bringing up cards.
First come smiles. Then come lies. Last is gunfire.

after watching the youtube voice search, i was quite disappointed in the voice results. that guy must of had a list of questions that voice search worked with. most of my voice searches just take me to the google site with search results.

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sanjeevkafle said:
I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.
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I'm having the exact same problem! I actually think there is either a config issue or something else.
I've tried installing/downloading the Australian English file and have cleared cache and data and restarted but still having the same problem.
I also have a HTC One XL which has better capability of voice recognition than the Nexus 7. I've been trying to get through to Google's Nexus 7 support but they are experiencing a lot of demand atm (as you can imagine).

I do not have much of an accent (for an American) and I also have the problem where it can take up to 60 seconds to do a Google Now search. I speak very, very clearly and it takes a long, long time to give me back results. I think it's a network issue, not an accent issue. If anyone else is having this, I'd appreciate any clue as to why.
I tried linking to a YouTube video with a sample of my voice, but I'm too much a newb on this forum (long-time lurker) to be allowed to post links. So, if you're not lazy, here's the URL: youtube.com/watch?v=KmNIouLByJQ

I'm also having the same problem. At first I thought it just didn't work. It hangs on recognizing forever. I'm in Australia but have a fairly have light English accent. I've tried with almost every English language voice pack too.
It's the same when I try to dictate as well. I wonder if it's related to the connection I'm using on campus as the wifi icon is rarely blue (connected to Google servers if I remember correctly). I'd try on a data connection but I'm almost out.

You guys should try to connect somewhere else than your home to see if its your connection or something else...
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Mine is pretty responsive 90 percent of the time. I've never had it take to more than 10 seconds.
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Bifhud said:
Mine is pretty responsive 90 percent of the time. I've never had it take to more than 10 seconds.
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Same here. And that's while tethering via my gnex!
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I'm from southern England, Google don't like common accents ! About 40% success rate
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dgattenb said:
I'm from southern England, Google don't like common accents ! About 40% success rate
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I'm from the South too I'm amazed at how well it does. I wouldn't describe my voice as common though.

I bought Nexus 7 at Staples in Ocean City, Maryland. I went back to the store, and asked for a replacement. I, along with other (American) Staples staffs tried Voice Search and Google Now, which took the same amount of time (1 minute or more).
Anybody bought 16 GB version it at Staples? Or anybody using Comcast Internet Connection in USA? Because they only have comcast here, I doubt comcast has some limitations. To clear confusion, I have 20Mbps download and 4Mbps upload speed.
Do anybody knows if we can change the server settings for Google Now so that I can select the closest server?
I want to clear another misconception. It understands me almost clearly 95% of the time, just takes too long to answer, so it is not the accent.
Thanks.

What I learned about voice search
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after watching the youtube voice search, i was quite disappointed in the voice results. that guy must of had a list of questions that voice search worked with. most of my voice searches just take me to the google site with search results.
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It's pretty fast in bring up cards, or google results when I use it. But I find that it works best when there is a definitive answer to the question. For example if it's a question regarding definitions, math problems, units, specific questions about famous people like, height, age... that sort of thing, you'll usually get a voice reply and card.
However if you ask questions with various answers or that require a lot of details, like how to prepare a dish, who's the highest paid actor, how to flash cwm to the nexus 7, you'll usually get google results.
It's good for answers to precise questions, otherwise, it will get you closer to researching the answer with Google results.

I can do an RP accent as well as my normal Shropshire accent and it is very slow regardless of where I connect or the speed of the network.

I know it's a N7 thread, but I've been a N7 owner for the past 1.5hours and was checking the forum.
But to the topic, I've been using Google Now and Google Voice on my Galaxy Nexus and I found it to be very accurate.
I remember being in the car, with the phone on the holder, stuck in a traffic queue to get in the Euro tunnel (port areas are know for bad connection) and there were some posters about the 7 world wonders of the modern area and I started asking questions about it and all of them were spot on in under 10 seconds.
Accent wise: I'm a Brazilian who learned American English as teenager and been living in UK for almost 4 years. So I must have a weird accent.

I just found out, it is not yout phone, it is not your accent, it is your connection. It always took me three minutes to get the answer to test sentences such as how tall president of the united states. I was connected over WiFi. "Recognizing..." was all I got.
I turned WiFi off and i got the same answer in 2 seconds. As soon as the sentence has been spoken, the old Sci-Fi voice recognition computer processing animation was seen. And wow the answer was there. With WiFi turned off, I did not see the text "Recognizing..." at all.
If you have slow Google Voice Search results, check if you are connected to a wireless lan and if yes, turn it off to see if it works better for you.
This looks like a bug in Google Voce Search to me. this of course only works on phones, so if you use a Tablet without any 3G capabilities, no data plan, you might be out of luck.
I hope Google fixes this as soon as possible.

Could well be..
My results aways come back in under 10 seconds..
I tethered to my phone - which had a low signal for data - and it took much longer - about 30 seconds..
google now must send the voice data - online to translate - and then fetch your query..
I think you can download the voice recognition data -? if I remember ?
See if that helps?

Google Voice Search (Siri-clone) is overrated.

After watching several videos of it battling the Siri of iOS while I was awaiting my tablet, I was hyped about using this feature.
Now that I have had my tablet for almost almost a week now, it was overhyped and the accuracy was overblown in those videos on YouTube.
I know it's not my accent, since it gets my questions correctly, it just doesn't answer 'em.
I tried simple stuff too, like requesting for the current score of USA vs Korea in volleyball (when the game was going on), requesting for specific train times, requesting to see my calendar, asking it to see if I was busy on a certain day and time, and it just Google'd these questions, not telling me the answers (especially the last one; it Google'd "Am I busy at 4pm on this coming Monday?" instead of showing my calendar).
Hell even the simplest things like "show me my calendar" has it Googling that, and not actually showing me my calendar.
I've only ever successfully gotten it to tell me the weather, the time, set alarm, and tell me when the Olympics 2012 ends.
If Google Voice Search (or w/e they call it) is this bad, I wonder how bad Siri is, seeing how in those videos, Google beat Siri all the time.

Had a guy at work playing around with Siri, not very impressing, certainly nothing like the staged commercials. Technology is not there yet. I think that Dragon has a better voice recognition ability, (part of Swype Beta), but I have not played with their "Dragon Go" yet on my tablet. Didn't care for it much on my phone.

Printerscape said:
After watching several videos of it battling the Siri of iOS while I was awaiting my tablet, I was hyped about using this feature.
Now that I have had my tablet for almost almost a week now, it was overhyped and the accuracy was overblown in those videos on YouTube.
I know it's not my accent, since it gets my questions correctly, it just doesn't answer 'em.
I tried simple stuff too, like requesting for the current score of USA vs Korea in volleyball (when the game was going on), requesting for specific train times, requesting to see my calendar, asking it to see if I was busy on a certain day and time, and it just Google'd these questions, not telling me the answers (especially the last one; it Google'd "Am I busy at 4pm on this coming Monday?" instead of showing my calendar).
Hell even the simplest things like "show me my calendar" has it Googling that, and not actually showing me my calendar.
I've only ever successfully gotten it to tell me the weather, the time, set alarm, and tell me when the Olympics 2012 ends.
If Google Voice Search (or w/e they call it) is this bad, I wonder how bad Siri is, seeing how in those videos, Google beat Siri all the time.
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Siri answers a lot more of those types of questions, although it is definitely slower as the videos point out. Overall though, I rarely ask those questions anyways. I generally only ask about sports scores and weather or conversions, and a few more things.

I think they are both good at different things. Most of the YouTube videos I've seen seem to show of Google Nows speed a bit much. Hopefully what Google Now lacks.. now, it will make up for in later updates, assuming they are not harassed by Apple too much more.
I'd also like to mention that Google Now is not in any way a clone or copy of Siri. Voice recognition and human-like feedback have been strived towards since even before the USS-Enterprises computer did it in early Star-Trek Apple, or anyone recently claiming it was 'their idea' should be shot in the foot.

Didn't Google have to 'dumb' down their voice app because of the lawsuit Apple had against the Galaxy Nexus?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/

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Apple, or anyone recently claiming it was 'their idea' should be shot in the foot.
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In the foot? I can think of another, less elegant location.

Is does work alot better than siri in alot of ways, then again this stuff was available since froyo. I believe Google said all those features are coming back
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ynnek63 said:
Didn't Google have to 'dumb' down their voice app because of the lawsuit Apple had against the Galaxy Nexus?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/
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They removed local search (i.e., showing apps and contacts, etc., along with off-device search) from ALL on-device search, because it was the integrated search functionality specifically that was the patent that the judge found most likely to be upheld. Not related directly to voice.

But atleast Google now is better then S voice lol, I removed it from my G note.... For some reason it never worked for me : /

I'm getting "network error. Please try again" on my S3
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I think it's pretty good, it's very accurate for me even in noisy environments.

It's just not very complex in it's abilities, which I agree with a member above is due to it being young technology rather than overrated per say.
As it's part of my phone and I use it more, I still find Siri far more frustrating and inaccurate. Oddly a series of jailbreaks make it far more capable and I'm wondering if we'll ever see similar hacking on Android.
Somewhat related, I'm just glad Google allows for offline dictation as there's nothing more annoying than a voice assistant telling you it's unavailable because you're in bad service area.
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guthrien said:
It's just not very complex in it's abilities, which I agree with a member above is due to it being young technology rather than overrated per say.
As it's part of my phone and I use it more, I still find Siri far more frustrating and inaccurate. Oddly a series of jailbreaks make it far more capable and I'm wondering if we'll ever see similar hacking on Android.
Somewhat related, I'm just glad Google allows for offline dictation as there's nothing more annoying than a voice assistant telling you it's unavailable because you're in bad service area.
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Well, if not for the insanity that is Apple, it would have much more capabilities, but I find it pretty easy to use, accurate, and despite local search, pretty good.

Lolz, why people always believe that Apple make new things every time and now calling this Google now a siri clone.
Having used both siri and Google now, I think both are different and have different strength points and Google now doing more work than siri. Siri is more vocal though.
People think S voice is bad but I have found it more useful than siri and it can do device functions as well which siri can't.
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Google now isn't a siri clone and wasn't created to be one. Although I will admit that Google now works a lot better on my galaxy nexus, Google Now is pretty amazing. I love when I'm out somewhere that it tells me how much traffic I will have on my way home and will give me better directions.
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As somebody already said, the voice recognition is accurate but it just doesn't give you 'local' results. I tried to get it to display a book I have in Play Books or music in Play Music but it wouldn't open those apps. I use SpeakToIt Assistant, which seems to be much better at playing your music, reading calendar, sending SMS's (on my Sensation), etc.

I think it runs better actually... Tried it out next to an iPhone 4s and asked them both the questions at the same time and my Gnex blew it out of the water

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I think it runs better actually... Tried it out next to an iPhone 4s and asked them both the questions at the same time and my Gnex blew it out of the water
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Yes, I agree
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The OP complains mostly about calendar integration...which I agree ought to be included. It will, however, schedule reminders using alarms. I hope this isn't yet another patent issue....especially since voice commands have been in the works for years on multiple platforms. Heck, back in the 80s I had my Amiga executing various commands by voice...even telling me the time using Majel Roddenberry's voice after a 'computer. Time please' command. I programmed a bunch of voice commands using AREXX.
I find the voice feature very useful. On my galaxy nexus I asked it to call home depot and it called the nearest store and offered navigation and eta. It really makes for the ultimate hands free navigaion/calling system. It responds very quickly as well.
I would like it to SAY more. And I would pay good money if it sounded like Majel Roddenberry.
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I know that for people in the UK you have to tick the box for it to search from Google.com opposed to co.uk, otherwise it wont bring up pictures and certain cards (as answers to questions).
Also, change the language to english (US) to get the cute female voice opposed to our British male, ha.
But overall, nothing like the Youtube video where the guy asks 74 odd questions on Google Now. When i try, it just searches the same question...

Coming from Android with a few questions...

I just ordered a HTC 8x (keeping my 32gb SIII for now) from Verizon and had a few questions. I have not used a Windows phone since my HTC TP2 - which I loved until the HTC Incredible came out. Is there an app that allows WiFi tethering - like FoxFi? I don't use it all that much but when I travel it is nice. I am grandfathered in to unlimited so the tiered plans are not an option. I also use mass txt messages several times (13 team members) a week and I am currently using GoSMS to do it. I am hoping there is a similar app that allows mass txting on Windows Phone OS - stock would be great. Does the wireless charging system use more power than the traditional hard wired cables?
Looking forward to WM8 & thanks all for any help!

Currently
On WP8 only way to tether (I could be wrong) is to pay carrier extra fee. I am waiting on another option as well, and as far as mass text you can do that in the groups setting I send out text to 16 people at a time for basketball games and such. And the room feature seems to be nice but I haven't used it yet. There is also http://xyo.net/lumia/ which will tell you what apps are somewhat equivalent.

WP8 -- in settings has an option for internet sharing (no app needed) that provides up to 5 other devices (at least on my 920 with AT&T). I assume that this is a general option in WP8 ...
I have the shared data plan that allows tethering, so I am not sure if networks need to have it allowed in order to use it ...
But, the option is there without the need of an app ...

eth3rton said:
I just ordered a HTC 8x (keeping my 32gb SIII for now) from Verizon and had a few questions. I have not used a Windows phone since my HTC TP2 - which I loved until the HTC Incredible came out. Is there an app that allows WiFi tethering - like FoxFi? I don't use it all that much but when I travel it is nice. I am grandfathered in to unlimited so the tiered plans are not an option. I also use mass txt messages several times (13 team members) a week and I am currently using GoSMS to do it. I am hoping there is a similar app that allows mass txting on Windows Phone OS - stock would be great. Does the wireless charging system use more power than the traditional hard wired cables?
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wi-fi tethering is a built-in feature in WP8 (since WP7.5) - it's called "internet sharing". i have no problem with at&t, using my nokia 920 as a wi-fi AP for my notebook and my ms surface rt. i can even go remotely to my work computer through VPN.
you can create a group, adding anybody from your contacts. after that you can send email or text sms to all the contacts from this group - just by one click.
and yes, you don't need any additional applications for these features.
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On WP8 only way to tether (I could be wrong) is to pay carrier extra fee. I am waiting on another option as well, and as far as mass text you can do that in the groups setting I send out text to 16 people at a time for basketball games and such. And the room feature seems to be nice but I haven't used it yet. There is also http://xyo.net/lumia/ which will tell you what apps are somewhat equivalent.
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i've been a t-mobile customer, and now i'm an at&t client. i didn't pay anything additional for using my phone as a modem (through bluetooth or wi-fi, whatever) and i'm not paying now. the only payment you should be aware of - for the data, you use. i subscribed to a data shared mobile plan in at&t - $90/mo for 6Gb shared data (plus unlimited voice and text) for up to 10 (i believe) lines (i use 4) plus $35/mo per device. i pay $225/mo for 3 smartphones and 1 simple phone. we've never overlimited our 6Gb plan. though if you do, it costs $15/1Gb.
the room is a cool feature, but it works only for WP-phones. but as i said you can group your contacts to be able to email or text all of them by one click.

I think on Verizon unless I am on the Share all plan I am not allowed to use the wifi/bluetooth tethering. At least without an app like FoxFi. Speaking of contacts... how are they managed on WP8? I will go out on a limb and say iCloud is definitely out and probably so is Gmail... hope its that easy.

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the only payment you should be aware of - for the data, you use. i subscribed to a data shared mobile plan in at&t - $90/mo for 6Gb shared data
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The 6Gb data share plan (for families, or 5Gb for individual) is needed to enable tethering with AT&T ...

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... how are they managed on WP8? I will go out on a limb and say iCloud is definitely out and probably so is Gmail... hope its that easy.
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Gmail is seamless, and so are your contacts if they're synced with Google.
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eth3rton said:
I just ordered a HTC 8x (keeping my 32gb SIII for now) from Verizon and had a few questions. I have not used a Windows phone since my HTC TP2 - which I loved until the HTC Incredible came out. Is there an app that allows WiFi tethering - like FoxFi? I don't use it all that much but when I travel it is nice. I am grandfathered in to unlimited so the tiered plans are not an option. I also use mass txt messages several times (13 team members) a week and I am currently using GoSMS to do it. I am hoping there is a similar app that allows mass txting on Windows Phone OS - stock would be great. Does the wireless charging system use more power than the traditional hard wired cables?
Looking forward to WM8 & thanks all for any help!
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I'm sorry man...but why the hell would you ever leave the gsIII for any other phone period? All the things you need are on Android and the gsIII.
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While the SIII is a great device it is NOT the end all of phones. There are still plenty of force closes and lock ups on the device. I am just wanting to try something different and I have been looking forward to WM8 for a long time. Here's hoping.

^ you might want to read the WPcentral forums, and the iPhone forums, as they do the same lock ups and force closes.
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eth3rton said:
While the SIII is a great device it is NOT the end all of phones. There are still plenty of force closes and lock ups on the device. I am just wanting to try something different and I have been looking forward to WM8 for a long time. Here's hoping.
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the only way to avoid lockups is turning off these phones.

I don't think I've had a lock up or app crash on Windows Phone. They were all too common on iOS though.
But can we leave all the playground arguments over best platform to some other forum? they're only phones at the end of the day.

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I don't think I've had a lock up or app crash on Windows Phone. They were all too common on iOS though.
But can we leave all the playground arguments over best platform to some other forum? they're only phones at the end of the day.
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You're the first person in this thread to mention best platform, no one is arguing.

Crashes are present in Windows Phone as well, but are less obvious as the system simply closes down the app without saying a word.
In most cases, crashes are due to the poorly written app and not the system.
Although I have a killer wifi and university that restarts my phone lol.

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^ you might want to read the WPcentral forums, and the iPhone forums, as they do the same lock ups and force closes.
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After reading several of your posts, I still can't figure out if you are a WP8 supporter or not.
Either way, I have been on Android for my entire cell phone career for several years and most recently had the GS3. I can't even tell you how many force closes I have had from apps, lag and slowdown because of horrible resource management of the OS, dalvik cache slowdown, etc. I rooted all of my devices and was heavily into the technical side of things.
I never had an iPhone but have played with many. Never was my cup of tea, but I won't talk bad about it since I simply don't know enough.
I finally grew tired of it all and purchased a HTC 8X last week. I can tell you that WP8 OS is such a breath of fresh air coming from Android. There is absolutely no lag or slowdown whatsoever....ever. I can pop in and out of apps, do whatever I want and it constantly stays smooth. No ram dumps or reboots required. I also have not had a single force closed app or random reboot like some people have reported. It has been an absolute flawless experience so far.
Just thought I would post some positive energy after a lot of negative. Is WP8 a lot more simple than Android? Yes. Is it a bad thing? No. It's such a seamless and smooth experience that I'm not sure I can' go back to Android at this point. At least not for a while. YMMV.

You quote me why? Who was negative? Just stated a fact, dont be so defensive.
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You quote me why? Who was negative? Just stated a fact, dont be so defensive.
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I'm not being defensive at all. Just stating my opinion based on your quote. The other reason why I quoted you is that I've seen you all throughout this WP8 forum sort of talking down on WP8. Just curious as to why and which side you are on. Not saying you have to pick a side or you can't talk down on WP8, but just curious.

What have I said down? That it lock ups? Is that a lie? App crashes? Is that a lie?How about random reboots? I could go and mention a host of other things but there is no point.
So don't quote me with baseless rhetoric.
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vetvito said:
What have I said down? That it lock ups? Is that a lie? App crashes? Is that a lie?How about random reboots? I could go and mention a host of other things but there is no point.
So don't quote me with baseless rhetoric.
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You know, apologies are in order. I think I completely got you confused with someone else.
Anyhow, my bad. At the same time, my experience with WP8 that I posted doesn't change. I'm loving this OS so far! :good:

A ton of folks are, enjoy it. Don't take this stuff seriously, it's just a phone at the end of the day.
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remote control razr i with hardkeys from milestone 2?

hey there
is there a way to remote control my razr i with my old milestone 2?
Would be great to have my razr in the pocket, listening to songs, while typing mails, events and notes on the faboulous hardkeys of the milestone 2 without installing another SIM.
I prefer the hardkeys very much to onscreen keys, but they've gone off the market I guess....
Thanks for your help!
cheers from zurich

roymental said:
hey there
is there a way to remote control my razr i with my old milestone 2?
Would be great to have my razr in the pocket, listening to songs, while typing mails, events and notes on the faboulous hardkeys of the milestone 2 without installing another SIM.
I prefer the hardkeys very much to onscreen keys, but they've gone off the market I guess....
Thanks for your help!
cheers from zurich
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Interesting idea, but it's kind of funny... Controlling one phone with another one - makes one of them pointless then, doesn't it?
But I sure wish some manufacturer (preferrably Moto) came back to the hardware keyboard concept and improved upon it. I had the Milestone for a couple of months and having an actual hardware keyboard ROCKS. Especially if your main language of typing has many cases and is highly inflectional, as Serbian (Serbo-Croatian) is...
Should we write to Motorola? Start a petition?
Sorry for not answering your question, though :angel:

niksy+ said:
Interesting idea, but it's kind of funny... Controlling one phone with another one - makes one of them pointless then, doesn't it?
But I sure wish some manufacturer (preferrably Moto) came back to the hardware keyboard concept and improved upon it. I had the Milestone for a couple of months and having an actual hardware keyboard ROCKS. Especially if your main language of typing has many cases and is highly inflectional, as Serbian is...
Should we write to Motorola? Start a petition?
Sorry for not answering your question, though :angel:
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well..we are neighbors, I live in zagreb..so we share the same language, and i couldn't agree more with you - we need physical keyboards back
there were some rumours around new moto phone with keyboard, but I don't know what happened to that
i had milestone 1&2, backflip, flipout and dext -> all phones with qwerty keys, and i do surely miss high end phone with keypad, preferably from motorola, of course
ps. sorry for offtopic

pajo985 said:
well..we are neighbors, I live in zagreb..so we share the same language, and i couldn't agree more with you - we need physical keyboards back
there were some rumours around new moto phone with keyboard, but I don't know what happened to that
i had milestone 1&2, backflip, flipout and dext -> all phones with qwerty keys, and i do surely miss high end phone with keypad, preferably from motorola, of course
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There were rumours about a new Droid/Milestone last year, but that was it... Nobody from Motorola ever mentioned they will be working on a new qwerty hw keyboard phone.
I've looked into the matter more deeply a couple of months ago and I found many tech bloggers talking about their wishes for a new high-spec'ed qwerty phone, but most seemed to agree that it probably will not happen, since it just became an obsolete idea...somehow. Not sure how at all, since there are MANY of us who want it and yet none of the manufacturers give any attention to it.
If Moto get to it and made a new well-designed and great-spec'ed phone with a slide out keyboard, that would be my next phone 100%. Maybe we should start an online petition to let them know what we think. Anyone interested to attend to it?
Because I really think it's unlikely that they will be announcing a new qwerty phone together with the new Droid line-up this year....
P.S. Edited my previous post to make it more neighbourhood friendly. I may be young (22) but I still find it to be the same language, only two different dialects. But let's not go into any (anti-)nationalism talk...

roymental said:
Would be great to have my razr in the pocket, listening to songs, while typing mails, events and notes on the faboulous hardkeys of the milestone 2 without installing another SIM.
I prefer the hardkeys very much to onscreen keys, but they've gone off the market I guess....
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Why not using a Bluetooth Keyboard? You can play music in background too...
And you can have the hole screen while writing...

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Why not using a Bluetooth Keyboard? You can play music in background too...
And you can have the hole screen while writing...
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Yeah, that's more or less what I mean. But more like Airdroid for another droid, with a mirrored screen.
I couldn't use the mile2 for everyday business anymore cause it's too slow (though it works fairly good with the miui rom) , but I thought it might be sufficient just as a remote & mirror function.
A bluetooth keyboard would mean I'd need two devices on the table. My idea was more to use the benefits of the hardkeys when on my way somewhere and leave the razr in the pocket when typing.
Btw. I'm desperately seeking for a reason to still use my miley2 I just can't let go of it....
Probably I'll stick to Motorola forever for some reason I don't really know....
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niksy+ said:
There were rumours about a new Droid/Milestone last year, but that was it... Nobody from Motorola ever mentioned they will be working on a new qwerty hw keyboard phone.
I've looked into the matter more deeply a couple of months ago and I found many tech bloggers talking about their wishes for a new high-spec'ed qwerty phone, but most seemed to agree that it probably will not happen, since it just became an obsolete idea...somehow. Not sure how at all, since there are MANY of us who want it and yet none of the manufacturers give any attention to it.
If Moto get to it and made a new well-designed and great-spec'ed phone with a slide out keyboard, that would be my next phone 100%. Maybe we should start an online petition to let them know what we think. Anyone interested to attend to it?
Because I really think it's unlikely that they will be announcing a new qwerty phone together with the new Droid line-up this year....
P.S. Edited my previous post to make it more neighbourhood friendly. I may be young (22) but I still find it to be the same language, only two different dialects. But let's not go into any (anti-)nationalism talk...
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hell yeah, I'm in for an online petition.
that would be my next phone too. thanks for sharing your insight!
And everything anti-nationalism is fine if you ask me if it's even worth mentioning here... I think that there's rarely any geek, coder or real hacker by nature who's flying with the right wing :cyclops:

roymental said:
hell yeah, I'm in for an online petition.
that would be my next phone too. thanks for sharing your insight!
And everything anti-nationalism is fine if you ask me if it's even worth mentioning here... I think that there's rarely any geek, coder or real hacker by nature who's flying with the right wing :cyclops:
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Care to start it, then? Or perhaps we should get someone from the US to start the petition? Motorola is still a US based company, as far as I know... And their two current strongholds are the States and India, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just saying that I'm not sure how much they care for the European market at the moment.
One more thing off topic - is that Gingerbread MIUI you're talking about? Because any post Gingerbread MIUI rom sucked the life out of my Defy, which has the same hw as the M2... Anyway, if you haven't checked out CM11 on the M2 already, maybe you should give it a shot, it worked very good on the Defy.

niksy+ said:
Care to start it, then? Or perhaps we should get someone from the US to start the petition? Motorola is still a US based company, as far as I know... And their two current strongholds are the States and India, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just saying that I'm not sure how much they care for the European market at the moment.
One more thing off topic - is that Gingerbread MIUI you're talking about? Because any post Gingerbread MIUI rom sucked the life out of my Defy, which has the same hw as the M2... Anyway, if you haven't checked out CM11 on the M2 already, maybe you should give it a shot, it worked very good on the Defy.
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I use this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1614328
I think battery life is not bad. Thanks for the hint! I'm going to try out that one!
I was using tezets cm9 nightlies for a while; fast but not very reliable, so I eventually preferd the miui-one, which is totally stable.
Don't know about starting the petition myself; I'm from switzerland, don't know any US-motorola-citizens so far... maybe we'll find someone in the forums?