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[Q] Should I root my Captivate? Which ROM is the best?

I'm going to get my Captivate in the mail tomorrow and was doing some research on the Android OS and the way AT&T locks some of the features of the phone.
Should I wait for Android 2.2 to come out or should I get a ROM on my phone? Also, is it possible to delete the AT&T apps (bloatware) without rooting? I have a 32gb class 4 microSD card if that helps with anything. Thanks.

Can anyone recommend something?

I would say keep up with the SRE thread. Its really great as far as mods go and @designgears is on top of his game. Other than that, I'd say wait on 2.2
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beazie0885 said:
I would say keep up with the SRE thread. Its really great as far as mods go and @designgears is on top of his game. Other than that, I'd say wait on 2.2
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I 2nd that. Get ready for SRE 2.0!!!! Its gonna be worth it all.

To answer your other question you can not remove bloatwear without rooting. Rooting is easy as there is a one click root/unroot process which is stickied in the dev section. Right now the best ROM is Eugene's Vibrant Hybrid because its an actual ROM. What designgears puts out is more removal of bloatwear with some added features that ATT did not included in the captivate as well as including overclock and a lag fix which you install. To me that is not a ROM but it is a very good product which as of late has gone under many changes. Research, research, research before you do anything. Read all 300 pages of any thread because it is not all just banter, lots of good info in those threads.

flashman2002 said:
To answer your other question you can not remove bloatwear without rooting. Rooting is easy as there is a one click root/unroot process which is stickied in the dev section. Right now the best ROM is Eugene's Vibrant Hybrid because its an actual ROM. What designgears puts out is more removal of bloatwear with some added features that ATT did not included in the captivate as well as including overclock and a lag fix which you install. To me that is not a ROM but it is a very good product which as of late has gone under many changes. Research, research, research before you do anything. Read all 300 pages of any thread because it is not all just banter, lots of good info in those threads.
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Wow, I guess I'm going to turn myself into an Android expert now by reading these threads. The reason why I was hesitant on installing a ROM was that there were some problems people described, such as tethering being disabled or the phone having problems loading some apps or software, etc. Thanks a lot for the info.

flashman2002 said:
What designgears puts out is more removal of bloatwear with some added features that ATT did not included in the captivate as well as including overclock and a lag fix which you install. To me that is not a ROM but it is a very good product which as of late has gone under many changes.
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i think they are referring to the announcement that DG made that SRE 2.0 is going to be a complete ROM.....hes playing around with alpha right now

Does this guy do this for a living?

No. No one in xda does this for a living they just accept donations. 5 bucks from 50 people though sure does add up to pay the bills
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Pirateghost said:
i think they are referring to the announcement that DG made that SRE 2.0 is going to be a complete ROM.....hes playing around with alpha right now
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Yes, unfortunately we don't really know what DG is up to haha.

One more question:
Will rooting affect my AT&T data and/or voice plan in any way? Thanks.

Where can I download eugenes hybrid rom?

bartek4443 said:
One more question:
Will rooting affect my AT&T data and/or voice plan in any way? Thanks.
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Nope. but anyway: My opinion on trying other roms: I tried 2 roms. the leaked 2.2. was good for a little while, played around with flash, kinda laggy still, but its a leaked version, so whatever. Then i changed to "Tayutama's JPM Froyo w/Xcaliburinhand's Re-oriented Kernel" Next day, back to stock. Too many problems, custom roms are being updated constantly, more buggy than official releases. well at least the ones i always get, so back to stock Rooted. Sideloading enabled. And LOVING IT! I'm just gonna wait til the official froyo release, flash is great, but i never really used it as much as i thought i would. as long as you have root, sideloading, bloatware removal, and lagfix, i think you got yourself a damn good phone.

TheRomero09 said:
Nope. but anyway: My opinion on trying other roms: I tried 2 roms. the leaked 2.2. was good for a little while, played around with flash, kinda laggy still, but its a leaked version, so whatever. Then i changed to "Tayutama's JPM Froyo w/Xcaliburinhand's Re-oriented Kernel" Next day, back to stock. Too many problems, custom roms are being updated constantly, more buggy than official releases. well at least the ones i always get, so back to stock Rooted. Sideloading enabled. And LOVING IT! I'm just gonna wait til the official froyo release, flash is great, but i never really used it as much as i thought i would. as long as you have root, sideloading, bloatware removal, and lagfix, i think you got yourself a damn good phone.
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you tried 2 roms and decided they were too buggy??
go try cognition. you will wonder why the phone didnt come from the factory like that.
honestly the 2 you tried were not the best to get any idea of anything from....the leaked is leaked with no tweaks and is a tad buggy. then you tried one that was an i9000 rom that people are working on making stable....
give cognition a try

Pirateghost said:
you tried 2 roms and decided they were too buggy??
go try cognition. you will wonder why the phone didn't come from the factory like that.
honestly the 2 you tried were not the best to get any idea of anything from....the leaked is leaked with no tweaks and is a tad buggy. then you tried one that was an i9000 rom that people are working on making stable....
give cognition a try
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i know that does sound stupid. haha. i meant on my captivate, i have tried way too many roms on my past phones. i have been thinking about trying cognition 2.2, just waiting for it to get out of beta. should be worth the wait.

TheRomero09 said:
i know that does sound stupid. haha. i meant on my captivate, i have tried way too many roms on my past phones. i have been thinking about trying cognition 2.2, just waiting for it to get out of beta. should be worth the wait.
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I would recommend running his beta 2.2. It makes the phone run a LOT better. Fixed a ton of issues that I was experiencing.
But.. it is pretty hit or miss on his builds... Usually I wait until after the whole number release (i.e. 9.1 vs. 9) so the initial bugs are figured out and fixed.
Froyo on this phone with the tweaks DG has been doing are phenomenal. But then.. I'm impatient and don't mind flashing the crap out of this thing.
And to answer the OP. Rooting does not affect your AT&T voice/data plan. It does affect your warranty. Anything that can be used to circumvent the "lockdown" that AT&T and Samsung has on the phone will do that.
So... Rooting, removing "bloatware", flashing ROMS are all a big no-no if you still want to be within the EULA and Warranties with both AT&T and Samsung.

avgjoegeek said:
I would recommend running his beta 2.2. It makes the phone run a LOT better. Fixed a ton of issues that I was experiencing.
But.. it is pretty hit or miss on his builds... Usually I wait until after the whole number release (i.e. 9.1 vs. 9) so the initial bugs are figured out and fixed.
Froyo on this phone with the tweaks DG has been doing are phenomenal. But then.. I'm impatient and don't mind flashing the crap out of this thing.
And to answer the OP. Rooting does not affect your AT&T voice/data plan. It does affect your warranty. Anything that can be used to circumvent the "lockdown" that AT&T and Samsung has on the phone will do that.
So... Rooting, removing "bloatware", flashing ROMS are all a big no-no if you still want to be within the EULA and Warranties with both AT&T and Samsung.
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That does sound like good advice, but that would still be too much loading roms for me. It went from the 1st beta to beta 9 all in less than 1 month. It's great because the work is getting better and better faster but i'm not the type that likes flashing new roms every week, once it gets out of beta i think i can deal with it. I'm working with stock 2.1, root, sideloading, lagfix, GPS working fine (don't really use it that much to begin with) and I can't complain, its a great phone.

What is SRE? A previous post mentioned to keep up with the SRE thread and then mentions @designgears. Is that the designgears' "[ROM]Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1 (Voodoo - CogKernel - Bootanimation)" thread they are referring to? I used the "Search Forum" tool and that was the first thing that came up.
Many times when people refer to newbies (like myself) to "look up this/that" or "try this/that", they use acronyms and its difficult to find what exactly they are referring to.

Cognition 2.2 Beta 9.1.1
Grab this and never look back.
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^^^^This^^^^^ I've never had an Android phone and just got a Captivate a couple of days ago. I thought it was pretty cool an all but decided to install Cognition 2.2 Beta 9.1.1 and am in love with this phone now. Unbelievable the difference it makes.

[Q] Why Official Froyo Being Called Back?!

Hi all,
As with the topic above, anyone knows the real reason with the call back of the official JPM firmware( or JP6)?
Read up on some sources, some said that its causes unstability. However, so far it seems okay to me in terms of stability and usabilty. Running on Darky's Steel Edition Rom 3.0. Seems good.
Cheers.

dplate07 said:
Hi all,
As with the topic above, anyone knows the real reason with the call back of the official JPM firmware( or JP6)?
Read up on some sources, some said that its causes unstability. However, so far it seems okay to me in terms of stability and usabilty. Running on Darky's Steel Edition Rom 3.0. Seems good.
Cheers.
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Just take a quick look at the changelist from JJ1 (SC02) and JPK, JPM / JP6 and compare these. All of these builds are from the same tree!
And did you ever take a look @ your logs (being on "stock" JPM / JP6)?
Yes, the customized ROMS are really really good. But all of 'em still have some (mostly minor) issues. I think Sammy has got to fix all (or most) of them before
they finally want to release it.
Btw, do you remember the first 2.2 releases from HTC
The only question is: Which way does less overall damage?

I think the final release will be almost identical as JPM/JP6 but Samsung has to patch the Kies so that it won't brick SGS so easily.

My Froyo 2.2 is unstable!!!
I for one really can't wait for the next "official" fix
My cold boot up times are way slower than the JG5 firmware and the phone suffers from forced closes sometimes and lags like hell!
It's just so annoying knowing what the phone is capable of but not having the firmware to back it up.
I hope the official froyo 2.2 release fixes all the bugs!

Well mine run better then ever on the official jp6. Granted root and lagfix is still needed becouse of the lovely rfs...
Sent from my imba sgs @ froyo 2.2 rooted / lagfixed

Here's hoping that the delay means that they will upgrade to 2.3 rather than 2.2 that will save you samsung.
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Is there any official news or informations what is happening with android update for sgs? Its not proffesional at all that we are stuck in progress darkenes thanks to ****sung. Hmm, i think im sorry that i didnt buy htc....
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immyh said:
Here's hoping that the delay means that they will upgrade to 2.3 rather than 2.2 that will save you samsung.
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That would be one of the few things hey could do to justify the wait. Unfortunately I hear someone knocking on the door, it's reality.
That guy always ruins my dreams...

LOL - Very well said!
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[Q] Gingerbread for Captivate

Because I flashed Froyo onto my Captivate the only way I'll get Gingerbread on it is if I flash that also. Seeing as how my phone no longer will get official updates from Samsung any longer. I'm wondering, though, aside from the visual/UI improvements in 2.3, is there any real reason to upgrade from 2.2? It doesn't seem as though the changes will really make my Captivate that much better. Am I wrong?
Also: If it's a general consensus that upgrading to 2.3 is a good idea, how long do you think until there's a good stable port to flash?

They are working on a port but I think it will be a while
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Johnny Paranoid said:
Because I flashed Froyo onto my Captivate the only way I'll get Gingerbread on it is if I flash that also. Seeing as how my phone no longer will get official updates from Samsung any longer. I'm wondering, though, aside from the visual/UI improvements in 2.3, is there any real reason to upgrade from 2.2? It doesn't seem as though the changes will really make my Captivate that much better. Am I wrong?
Also: If it's a general consensus that upgrading to 2.3 is a good idea, how long do you think until there's a good stable port to flash?
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Right now no. It is stable to a point. Random reboots, wifi is sketchy, no external sd card atm. It is really fast! But after I could no longer get wifi I switched back, but I did run it for a week with minimal issues. I would wait until more development happens. No real updates on our side since the mods removed it from the stickies. When it was up there we had daily posts with questions...now, nothing. Make sure you check the I9000 dev section for the up to date info.

flashman2002 said:
Right now no. It is stable to a point. Random reboots, wifi is sketchy, no external sd card atm. It is really fast! But after I could no longer get wifi I switched back, but I did run it for a week with minimal issues. I would wait until more development happens. No real updates on our side since the mods removed it from the stickies. When it was up there we had daily posts with questions...now, nothing. Make sure you check the I9000 dev section for the up to date info.
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Thanks. I'll do that.

[Q] Captivate Custom ROM Noob!!

Hi,
I have a few questions about Custom ROMs:
1. I have a basic idea about custom ROMs, but what why are there different Kernels for the same hardware? And is one better than the other? What makes a certain Kernel, better? As I understand with custom ROMs, you don't really have a choice in choosing the kernel you run, because each ROM is built on a specific kernel - am I correct about this?
2. I am looking to put a gingerbread 2.3 ROM on my Samsung Captivate, and I am looking for a ROM which is minimalistic Android and doesn't come with, shall we say 'bloatware' - for the lack of a better word. Of course, I would be looking for something stable and optimized for performance. Any recommendations?
Thanks.

1) Different kernals do offer different features. But they are swapable. That is why the kernals are available in seperate threads in the dev section. The biggest feature that is kernal dependent is overclocking. I have never been a fan of overclocking, don't think its needed on this phone. I also have never had good luck flashing different kernals. Whenever I have tried that the ROM runs buggy, freezes, lots of FCs. While you can change the kernal at any time, I have always found best performance with the kenal the dev chose to include with their ROM. I'm sure there are a hundred people here that would disagree with that. Just like ROM choice it's a personal decision.
2)ALL the ROMs here 2.2 or 2.3 will be de-bloated. I have tried all the 2.3 ROMs, and the only thing that is consistent with them is their unstableness. I can't get more than 2 hours of use without a freeze that needs a reboot, or it rebooting on it's own. The only reason I a sticking with a 2.3 ROM is Netflix. The app works on the 2.3 ROMs, but I cannot get it to work on 2.2. If you want something stable and optimized for performance: stay on FroYo. I recommend FireFly. If you want to take the plunge to 2.3 (after you have read EVERY GB sticky twice, paying attention to the bootloader info, or you'll have an expensive paperweight) I recommend GR, Perception II, or Mosaic. Mosaic was the most stable for me, but runs the same touchwiz as froyo, so it just feels like buggy froyo. The other two run touchwiz 4 from the SGS II.

[email protected] said:
Hi,
I have a few questions about Custom ROMs:
1. I have a basic idea about custom ROMs, but what why are there different Kernels for the same hardware? And is one better than the other? What makes a certain Kernel, better? As I understand with custom ROMs, you don't really have a choice in choosing the kernel you run, because each ROM is built on a specific kernel - am I correct about this?
2. I am looking to put a gingerbread 2.3 ROM on my Samsung Captivate, and I am looking for a ROM which is minimalistic Android and doesn't come with, shall we say 'bloatware' - for the lack of a better word. Of course, I would be looking for something stable and optimized for performance. Any recommendations?
Thanks.
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I have to respectfully disagree with quarlow. He is right about the the kernel swapping, and whatever kernel that comes with the ROM is gonna work and work well. The thing that distinguishes different kernels from one another is again the ability to OC and there is also BLN features and UV capabilities, so it is all user preference. HOWEVER it is the same as flashing a ROM. I have NEVER had an issue or seen a ROM get freezes or FC's because of flashing a different kernel. Not unless your are OC'ing. But it could just be my luck too (with the exception of the trident kernel which came OC'd to 1.4ghz, which was silly because if your phone can't handle that, it won't boot.. luckily mine can)
As far as the 2.3 ROMs go, again I have to disagree. I have been running CM7 for weeks without a single issue. As a matter of fact it keeps getting better. I'm not gonna talk up CM7 but I will say if that other user cannot get more than 2 hours without a freeze or having to reboot, then he is doing something wrong. I have tried Perception (beta2), and C5 RC3.. both are nice. Especially if you want a samsung ROM with all the features you are used to. CM7 is completely different built from AOSP. IMO, they are all really stable to use on a daily basis. Again, if my phone was freezing or needing a reboot every couple hours i would NOT be telling you they are stable.
All the 2.2 ROMs are sweet.. all user preference. Like the quarlow said, make sure you read the OP and re-read the instructions. Bootloaders are something you don't want to F up But, CM7 just got easier, and you don't have to flash any i9000 bootloaders.
Just my 2cents
...no offense quarlow

Coreym said:
...no offense quarlow
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I take no offense, that's why I said there are probably a hundred people that will disagree with me ... the kernel game is not a game I enjoy. I have never had trouble until I had a ROM with OC enabled, and got the sleeping death, flashed a different kernel, and got freezes, general buggyness, and FCs. I ended up downgrading to the older non-oc version to avoid the sleep death, and had no problems. I have only flashed a kernel a few times before that, and because of that experience none since. Maybe my experience was a fluke ...
I have never tried CM7 because the last time I looked at the installation instructions I didn't feel I understood them well enough ... because of how different it was to the FroYo ROMs of the time (Recovery then install ... 2 steps). Looking at it now, it's not nearly as unusual after all the i9000 GB ROMs. I really have had bad stability with the i9000 GB ROMs. Not that it freezes every two hours, but after two hours of constant use it freezes, and needs a reboot, or every once in a while while listening to music the music stops and I look at my phone to see it have rebooted for no reason. All of the i9000 GB ROMs I have tried did this (some worse than others): Perception, Continuum, GR, Mosaic, Symply, subpression, etc. I've gone back to Stock eclair with a Master Clear, wiped the various caches, nothing I do seems to fix this. I have attributed it to the Beta tag that is still attached to most of the ROMs. Maybe this weekend I'll give CM7 a try.

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I take no offense, that's why I said there are probably a hundred people that will disagree with me ... the kernel game is not a game I enjoy. I have never had trouble until I had a ROM with OC enabled, and got the sleeping death, flashed a different kernel, and got freezes, general buggyness, and FCs. I ended up downgrading to the older non-oc version to avoid the sleep death, and had no problems. I have only flashed a kernel a few times before that, and because of that experience none since. Maybe my experience was a fluke ...
I have never tried CM7 because the last time I looked at the installation instructions I didn't feel I understood them well enough ... because of how different it was to the FroYo ROMs of the time (Recovery then install ... 2 steps). Looking at it now, it's not nearly as unusual after all the i9000 GB ROMs. I really have had bad stability with the i9000 GB ROMs. Not that it freezes every two hours, but after two hours of constant use it freezes. All of the i9000 GB ROMs I have tried did this: Perception, Continuum, GR, Mosaic, Symply, subpression, etc. I've gone back to Stock eclair with a Master Clear, wiped the various caches, nothing I do seems to fix this. I have attributed it to the Beta tag that is still attached to most of the ROMs. Maybe this weekend I'll give CM7 a try.
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Yeah, i guess now that i look back on C5, there was some lagginess to it- but having the samsung cameras back were a bonus CM7's install is now done from froyo ROMs.. Much easier than the Odin stuff before. Don't even need a computer now

Quarlow ... I think you got a lemon..
If everything was as buggy as you make it out to be I don't think the captivate would have as much dev support as it does. Or as many flashers, If all of us are running fine on our phones and you are the only one with these huge issues that I've never even heard of (force closing from swapping out a kernel) maybe your phone has got a less than adequate component in there, inconsistent builds are a very real thing and looks like yours sucks...

studacris said:
Quarlow ... I think you got a lemon..
If everything was as buggy as you make it out to be I don't think the captivate would have as much dev support as it does. Or as many flashers, If all of us are running fine on our phones and you are the only one with these huge issues that I've never even heard of (force closing from swapping out a kernel) maybe your phone has got a less than adequate component in there, inconsistent builds are a very real thing and looks like yours sucks...
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How do I fix that? Go to att with "Bad GPS"? My GPS has been fine. I have a build 1006, had this on hold for me the day they released. Never had shutdown issue except that OC kernel I tried. My warranty is going to be up in a month, think I should try to swap before that runs out?
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I'd say so ... I have never had the issues you have. I have run every rom with every kernel, never once caused a force close and all the gb roms I've been on have been pretty stable 2 days without even charging let alone reboot.
Does your phone actually have ****ty gps cause if you use that excuse you're gonna have to prove it ... if however your phone for some "strange reason" doesn't boot at all you could use the "i was using kies and it never came on" excuse....
But if you have bad gps while on stock that should be enough to swap it out.

My GPS has always been fine. Longer time to get a lock than my iPhone before, but with 15 seconds it always gets a lock. Would I be better to go with random shutdown?
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should I update to 2.3.5 now?

Is there a point in updating my I9000 to 2.3.5 from 2.3.3 considering ICS for I9000 might be out in the near future?

I'd recommend upgrading to 2.3.5 because I found it to be a lot snappier. Besides, I don't think a stable, fully-functional ICS ROM for i9000 is coming out that soon anyway

i would recomend it too, im curently on a ics port though
but it will take the devs a good while to make a fully functional rom, as for samsungs developers im not even sure if they plan to make ics compatible with our old galaxies
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How long do you think it will take the devs to develop a staple working ics port?

well i upgraded from XWJVH 2.3.3 to XXJVT 2.3.5 and tbh i dont see that much of an improvement (if at all), the phone seems more laggy to me (especially on web browsing as i said in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354323)
im seriously thinking of going back to 2.3.3 (if it was not for losing all the apps and definitions i have on it i would have done it already.)

DarknessWarrior said:
well i upgraded from XWJVH 2.3.3 to XXJVT 2.3.5 and tbh i dont see that much of an improvement (if at all), the phone seems more laggy to me (especially on web browsing as i said in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354323)
im seriously thinking of going back to 2.3.3 (if it was not for losing all the apps and definitions i have on it i would have done it already.)
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That's what I thought, if 2.3.5 is such a minor improvement over 2.3.3, then there's really no point. I am happy to use 2.3.3 for the next few months and wait for the ICS.

install jvt and root it with semaphore 1.8.2, install simplicity rom, and convert to ext 4...bet youll think its much more snappy.
BTW simplicity appears very stock looking. hence the name.

thats the thing, idk about OP but atleast i do want to stick to stock as much as i can. (only with root and a couple other things)
i've tried CM7.1 and a lot of other ROMs (haven't tried simplicity, so i dont really have an opinion about it) and i really dont like it, i like the stock feel.
i dont want to get stuff just to beat quadrant's records, i want something (as much as possible) bug-free that i can rely on, not something that i have to be patching and fixing all the freaking time, where the alarm doesnt go off when it should, that can't run some apps, or do videocalls (CM7.1 i'm looking at you), or the icons are plain freaking ugly and different sized...
just my 2 cents, i hope i dont hurt anyone's feeling with this
EDIT: i also hate to lose all the crap and having to install/configure everything again (main reason i dont format my computer that often too), thats why i just want a stable, fast ROM/Kernel that i dont have to patch/fix/reflash/etc for months or even years (or until ICS is released to SGS ).

investmenttechnology said:
How long do you think it will take the devs to develop a staple working ics port?
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My personal opinion?
Its really hard to tell, they have come very far, suprisingly fast with a new release almost every night. this devs are fenomenal!
i dont think it will take them to much time to get to beta stadium instead of alpha, but i'm an outsider, no real contact with the developers, but if they work out the rest of the problems in the same pace they have done so far it wont take too long to see a good beta build
Waiting hopefully for a new baby to be born!
Off-topic, sorry