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Is there a spot on THE RIGHT SIDE your Xperia X1's SPACEBAR where when you press down, YOU GET TACTILE FEEDBACK, but the press is NOT registered?
Thank you for any input.
Not on mines.
yea i do...
it gets annoying now...had to press it hard now
mr_sheen said:
yea i do...
it gets annoying now...had to press it hard now
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I have to GO BEYOND pressing and feeling the tactile feedback because the press isn't registered even with the click. This is a very frustrating experience, you just can't type with "faith", even with the click, you still have to be sure the "space" appears, or you have to backspace/left to insert a spacebar. It is highly irritating.
It is also the right side, which I use because I somehow seem to use the left alphabets more than the right alphabets when typing anything, so I have more freetime with the right thumb. And it is exactly the right side that is unresponsive.
Hey yogi, good for you.
I realised there was already another thread describing similar issues.
The thing is, my X1 is in the service center's custody at the moment for repair and they said that it is normal for the keyboard to be like this. I am really wondering if I should push for a keyboard replacement.
It is sad that Xperia as a device boasting a nice keyboard having wear and tear at such a pace.
Design
I don't think it's wear and tear. Mine has had this problem since day one, it's just to do with where on the key the actual "button" that registers the press is, and since the key is "bendy" it wont register in every place you press it.
Strangely, as one person said, they use their right thumb more, I being left handed tend to use my left thumb much more, infact I dont use my right thumb at all when touch typing on my desktop keyboard, BUT I find that I use my right thumb a lot more for the space bar on the xperia.
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I don't think it's wear and tear. Mine has had this problem since day one, it's just to do with where on the key the actual "button" that registers the press is, and since the key is "bendy" it wont register in every place you press it.
Strangely, as one person said, they use their right thumb more, I being left handed tend to use my left thumb much more, infact I dont use my right thumb at all when touch typing on my desktop keyboard, BUT I find that I use my right thumb a lot more for the space bar on the xperia.
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right now im practicing to start hitting that spacebar with my left thumb. It feels weird though...
Whenever im typing fast, about 5 times out of 10 the spacebar will not register. Bloody annoying...
Im thinking about taking it back for a repair...do you guys think it will worth the time?
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right now im practicing to start hitting that spacebar with my left thumb. It feels weird though...
Whenever im typing fast, about 5 times out of 10 the spacebar will not register. Bloody annoying...
Im thinking about taking it back for a repair...do you guys think it will worth the time?
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My hands are pretty big and I have just noticed that because it causes me to type so slow I can infact type space just as easily with either thumb, or infact both at once.
My main concern is my thumb nails catching hte chrome at the top when i use the top row and I am just hopeful I dont "chip" it off.
Personally I don't think repair will help, it just seems to be a design flaw in the space bar, best solution might be to find if you can perform a mod on it yourself to make it more responsive, but that's if you're up for that kind of disassembly/work on such an expensive device.
okay, seems i've found the solution for the problem.
On spacebar, u've got to hit almost the right end part. If u hit it between the middle and right part, most likely it wont register.
I've had problem with the (ok) and the (.) key too. for this one you just have to press it slightly harder.
Ok.
I found also, that if you press arund 1/3 of the way along the space bar it makes a double click instead of a single one, this is the point at which it either doesn't register or it registers 2 spaces. As long as you try to avoid this section you should be ok.
gee...
Its all a bit too much for something that we put quite bit of money into hey
yes... i even get doubles or triples sometimes.. crazy keyboard imho
I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
indrapr said:
I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Yes, I have SAME problem. I think the reason is dust or some thing like that and any solution on this CRAP problem???
indrapr said:
I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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well that is quite concerning. So it DOES gets WORSE over time
I'll try to speak with the guys down at the sony ericsson centre about this. Hopefully they have something to say
Yes, it does get worse over time. Over time, more keys will be affected by this.
mr_sheen, appreciate if you can share with us later what is the outcome of your discussion with the service centre guys about this.
Thanks.
latest update... indeed my keyboard is getting mroe crazy
Since more and more users are encountering this problem, I would foresee that this will become a common problem, and more users will start encountering this problem over time.
I would appreciate if the moderator can merge this thread with the other similar thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644 ) and make this thread sticky until we can find satisfactory permanent solution from Sony Ericsson to this problem.
I will also try to bring my phone to the local Sony Ericsson service centre here in Singapore this coming weekend and see what they say.
i just got back from the center and they say that it was quite NORMAL. They said that it was a normal wear and tear and isn't covered on warranty. Is that so? i haven't got time to read all the warranty thing(too lazy...LOL) and im quite disappointed by this to be honest....
I live in Indonesia by the way, half the time the technician down at the Sony Centre haven't got any clue on how to fix an X1....bloody hell...
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Since more and more users are encountering this problem, I would foresee that this will become a common problem, and more users will start encountering this problem over time.
I would appreciate if the moderator can merge this thread with the other similar thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644 ) and make this thread sticky until we can find satisfactory permanent solution from Sony Ericsson to this problem.
I will also try to bring my phone to the local Sony Ericsson service centre here in Singapore this coming weekend and see what they say.
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If you do post here. Heard many negative things ant Singapore sony service centres
Hey
Just got my brand new NC and for some reason the top part of the sceen just won't easily accept input.
It took me almost 100 tries to activate the slider in setcpu.
Any ideas. ?
Thanks Pavlos
You can try this:
http://nookdevs.com/Recalibrate_the_NookColor_touch_screen
Did this work?
Yep tried that to no success.
Anything else?
Also just noticed in Market that I cannot see any payied apps.
I too have had a lot of trouble with the top edge of the touchscreen, luckily I don't use it too much so it doesn't bother me.
All 4 corners of the screen are very unresponsive for me.
For example, on the new Market, I can pretty much NEVER hit the search button in the top right corner of the screen. I have grown accustomed to pressing Menu then Search instead of using that on-screen button.
Is this not how everyone's NC is?
Mine is not as responsive, but I do not have that bad of a problem with it.
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All 4 corners of the screen are very unresponsive for me.
For example, on the new Market, I can pretty much NEVER hit the search button in the top right corner of the screen. I have grown accustomed to pressing Menu then Search instead of using that on-screen button.
Is this not how everyone's NC is?
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same here....
You suggest thats unfixable....
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For example, on the new Market, I can pretty much NEVER hit the search button in the top right corner of the screen
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in my case the newer market search button works a lot better than the previous one. still, far from great
Ive had the same exact issue. And can be replicated if you turn the device upside down, all 4 corners have to be touched multiple times in-order for it to register.
best way to test is in portrait mode and trying to hit the search button, tap once a second, unresponsive.....4 times in a sec and it will highlight once.
download the lcddensity app in the market place and change it to 180 that worked for me
Not exactly sure how changing the lcd density would fix this....downloaded anyway...applied...still doesn't work
What is funny though is that TouchTest the screen is insanely responsive on all areas on the screen from edges to multitouch. So im not entirely sure what the deal is.
Sometime I have to apply a little pressure to the back of the nook to get those parts of the screen to work. Pressing the bezel a little also helps. The larger density will make buttons easier to press because they are bigger. Small buttons/icons at the corners/edges of a screen are a pain. I bumped mine up to 240. Nice big juicy buttons.
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I have the same here. Corners not responsive.
Not a big issue for me.
I also have the screen protector on.
Corners here also. Irritates me every time I try to search market.
Both NC I have used have the exact same sensitivity issue. It may just be part of the stock NC Kernel that is causing it for some odd reason. It is not completely impossible to work with but it is a bit of a hassle. It is really apparent in the Astro app manager/backup. When you go to check an app to uninstall, it takes like 20 taps to try and check the box to uninstall an app. Odd how it gives me trouble there but in other apps it has no problem whatsoever. Software based issue it feels.
The response from edges of screen is my biggest irritant when using the NC. It did get a LITTLE better for me when I did the recalibration linked to in 2nd post with my NC laying flat on a table with the lcd facing down.
Paul22000 said:
All 4 corners of the screen are very unresponsive for me.
For example, on the new Market, I can pretty much NEVER hit the search button in the top right corner of the screen. I have grown accustomed to pressing Menu then Search instead of using that on-screen button.
Is this not how everyone's NC is?
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I thought that's just how it was.
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I thought that's just how it was.
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HAHAHAHAH me too!!! I just figured maybe soft keys rendered the actual market search button unusable or something. Wow....well, hopefully it won't start to annoy me now that I know it's supposed to work
I am not sure whether it is my mind playing trick with me or not, but I feel like my phone is less sensitive after I did the hard reset (power+volume down). Sometimes I need to press 2-3 times because the first light tap was not detected.
So is there anyway to increase the sensitivity?
I have the same problem, but no idea that is the hardware or only software problem.....
Fresh owner of this Optimus 2X in France, in our community, frandroid.com, we encounter the same problem , I think this is a software issue.
Did someone already contact LG??
Maybe they should include this into the bug list thread.
May I know were you guys having this problem since it is out of the box? or after reset?
I have the same problem started from day 1 till now
I have the same issue and already thought I'd be the only one having this problem.
I would not say it's a problem with sensitivity, but it feels like the touchscreen goes into some kind of sleepmode where then you need to press a second time, to wake it up.
Continuous touching is no problem. (like when typing rapidly on the keyboard)
This video is not from me, but it shows the problem.
Have a look at 13:28 and 13:37. The reviewer tries to hit the "Ackermann" entry, but the touchscreen does not recognize the touch. At 13:37 the guy has to press another time to get the entry selected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRid-Yhu7Gg&feature=player_embedded
Yes! The touchscreen is definitely less sensitive than my old HTC Hero, and gets quite frustrating sometimes when a scroll misses the first part of the movement or a click is missed.
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just in case, are you guys using 20110218 baseband too?
The same problem here. If I unlock the screen and then tap on any on screen apps, I need to touch again for it to open. Only the first time though, after that it function ok. I think this is a bug and needs to be fixed... I have my pc for double-click.
Yep, count me in. Same problem here. Sometimes screen taps aren't registered. Will do some research later on, but I think it's a software problem. (maybe you have to tap 2x as fast )
Hi,
same problem here!
Potentially a driver issue. A Nexus S user had a similar issue in this thread: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/18431-tuning-driver-to-deal-with-unresponsive-touchscreen/
He managed to tweak the driver and it works fine now. Need to know C++ (I think?) to understand though.
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Potentially a driver issue. A Nexus S user had a similar issue in this thread: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/18431-tuning-driver-to-deal-with-unresponsive-touchscreen/
He managed to tweak the driver and it works fine now. Need to know C++ (I think?) to understand though.
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I see, then probably they will fix it on the next update/gingerbread?
Same issue here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem seems to be that the screen has zero tolerance when it comes to tapping and swiping together. If you tap and slide your finger a bit directly after the tap, the tap is ignored. In other words your tap has to be a steady tap when you click on a button or an app. Right on the spot and with no swiping or sliding afterwards. I can't reproduce this on any of my other devices.
Ergo, it seems that the natural tapping I'm used to isn't working on the x2. It seems like I have to adjust my tap. I think that this could in principle be solved with a setting somewhere, because clearly the x2 is capable of registering this in for example a web page.
The great thing of this is that you can safely tap and swipe in the app drawer to scroll up and down or left and right. The downside is that a tap with a little swipe isn't registered at all. I would say that LG has choosen here for a wrong setting.
My personal experience about screen sensivity.. can you confirm if it's the same for your device?
I noticed a strange touch response.. and after some tests, I can say that the touch screen and icons are influenced by the surface where the phone was put!
with the phone in my hands, it's all ok (only sometimes - rare - I need to tap more than once).
If I put the phone over a glass surface (like a glass table) without touching it with both hands, the touch and the icons not respond!! NEVER!
If I put the phone on my scanner the touch screen works ok, but the icons not (or only few and rare taps was detected).!
If I put the phone over my big Onkyo amplifier.. It works like in my hands.. or better!! even without touching with hands.. only with a finger!
Put it back on my glass table.. and all stop working again. If I put a aluminium foil under the phone (between phone and table).. the touch and the icons works again !!
If I put it on the bed.. it don't work.
LG support say that they have tested the phone about this issue after my report.. but no strange response was detected by them. I don't know if they really tested it..
Try it and let me know what you think about!
tested on glass surface, I can press and swipe through pages with a finger without problem.
it is true that my device is not so responsive, but aint reaching that level yet
i read about a similar behaviour on other devices because some devices need a proper grounding for the capacitive screen to work correctly. You can find this problem via google.
Some devices have problem in a car-mounting, for example.
But i think thats not the problem the thread-opener talked about?
Guys I'm looking to get this phone and after reading Engadgets review of the X2 where they mention that the screen is not as sensitive to the touch as other phones I got a bit worried and started googling which lead me here!
Is this true? The screen isn't very sensitive and you have to apply more pressure than other capacitive phones?
I know that the OP is talking about a different issue but I reckon LG will get that sorted out via software update, or at least hope so!
Please do post your experience about the screen sensitivity of the X2 as this is putting me off. I currently have the Motorola Milestone 2 which is very sensitive to the touch even with a screen protector on it.
Cheers
Get multitouch visualizer from play store. the touchscreen is poor, especially with multitouch (only seems to support 2 touch points, the 2nd finger often is not detected, or causes the first to no longer be detected.) The caapacative buttons are hard to press sometimes, or do not respond. very annoying.
Enable the show touches option in the settings of the developer options, it works much better.
m03sizlak said:
Get multitouch visualizer from play store. the touchscreen is poor, especially with multitouch (only seems to support 2 touch points, the 2nd finger often is not detected, or causes the first to no longer be detected.) The caapacative buttons are hard to press sometimes, or do not respond. very annoying.
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Probably need to disable the HTC Gesture option in Settings->Display. After that it'll recognize 10 touch points.
What's HTC gesture?
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Element515 said:
What's HTC gesture?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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Its for the media link HD. 3 swipes up and it sends the phones screen to the media link HD.
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Its for the media link HD. 3 swipes up and it sends the phones screen to the media link HD.
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Just tried it with the HTC gestures turned off, multitouch visualizer 2 recognized 10 touches.
Indeed, turning HTC gestures off gives more touch points, but I still have the problem of the capacitative buttons not being as sensitive as the rest of the screen. They FREQUENTLY do not seem to register touches. Very annoying.
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Indeed, turning HTC gestures off gives more touch points, but I still have the problem of the capacitative buttons not being as sensitive as the rest of the screen. They FREQUENTLY do not seem to register touches. Very annoying.
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are you using the official screen protector from htc?
m03sizlak said:
Indeed, turning HTC gestures off gives more touch points, but I still have the problem of the capacitative buttons not being as sensitive as the rest of the screen. They FREQUENTLY do not seem to register touches. Very annoying.
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This seems to work for some people:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2231832
It should bring up the sensitivity for both the touchscreen and the capacitive keys which are, I presume, less sensitive than the touchscreen itself by design.
I'm not using any screen protector.
I tried the sense keyboard calibration and it had no effect.
The problem seems to be related to how FIRMLY I press the buttons. A light touch often does not register, but a firm touch always does. Never had this problem on my Evo 3D or Evo OG.
so this problem with capacitive home/back buttons is REALLY pissing me off.
went to sprint store, asked to see their display unit, told them the problem i had. guy said "I NOTICED THAT TOO". used their demo unit, EXACT same problem. Talked to some people on IRC who also noticed it.
*really* hope its software-fixable because I love the phone otherwise
I've used adb shell # getevents to see that FREQUENTLY tehre is just no event generated when pressing the home and back buttons. It *is* a hardware problem. I've never been so annoyed, displeased, or disappoined with a phone. I'll be returning it. Even tho the model I saw in the store had the exact same problem. If my next one has same problem I'll give the ol F**K YOU to HTC and not look back.
Also, havent found a way to get software keys on it...which MAY be an acceptable alternative to broken hardware buttons
I had noticed the same problem with a demo unit in one store and so went to check it out in another store where it was fine. I assumed it was specific to the first demo unit. I hope I get a decent phone.
Is anyone experiencing touches being registered slightly off from where you are actually touching the screen? I enabled show touches in dev options, just to make sure, and saw that touches were being registered just slightly lower than where the tip of my fingers were touching.
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There is definitely something going on here with the capacitative buttons, as we all see.
However I'm going to give HTC a few weeks and see if they sort it out. Once enough complaints roll in they've got to do something right?
http://www.pocketables.com/2013/04/...-issues-with-capacitive-hardware-buttons.html
So you've played with changing button sensitivity, heard about perhaps removing the screen protector, but still don't get it?
I think I might.
Try this, let me know if you guys can confirm, then perhaps we need to send info to HTC?
Unlock your screen
Place your phone on a level surface so its curved back can rock back and forth.
Enter the app drawer, so pressing HOME will actually do something.
As gently as you can, steady the phone with one hand, and touch HOME (It should work)
Now, re-enter the app drawer and press quickly on your phone's HOME key. This will cause it to quickly rock back and forth a bit and shake.
Press the home key all you want, it shouldn't work... especially the more you bang on it.
Wait 10 seconds.
Steady your phone again, press HOME gently. It should work.
The theory? Something is programmed in the phone that if it detects rapid shaking, like maybe in a pocket or being handed back and forth during watching a video... to turn off the buttons to prevent undesired actions. BUT, the curved back of the phone naturally lets this motion occur so it's triggering when it shouldn't.
If you're particularly twitchy, maybe that can cause it from time to time while even in hand too?
SOLUTION:
Run calibration tool a few times until the symptom goes away. Try alternating between pressing more firmly or more softly to make a difference. Take care to center your fingers on the letters.
If you experience bad button behavior while phone is on a flat surface, re-calibrate:
SETTINGS->Language and Keyboard->HTC Sense Input->Advanced->Run Calibration Tool
I couldn't replicate this problem. The home button works as intended while being rocked. I also haven't found to have any button response issues that some encountered.
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I couldn't replicate this problem. The home button works as intended while being rocked. I also haven't found to have any button response issues that some encountered.
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LOL
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Heh, come on man... the phone has BOOM Sound, it was meant to be rocked, no?! :laugh:
Serious note though... yeah always have thought the buttons worked fine too and thought other people were crazy...
I lay it flat though casually press them, they go away and don't come back.
Also couldn't replicate it. Basically the home/back buttons work when they want to, which apparenlty is about 95% of the time. The other 5% is just purified annoyingness.
Allegedly HTC has fixed the button problem in 1.29.XXX.12 which so far has only rolled out to unbranded phones in Europe and Asia. However if you have the international phone you can install the newest Android Revolution ROM which is based on the .12 software. Everyone who has .12 seems to agree that the button sensitivity issue is gone.
Re-ran calibration tool pressing normally and it seems to have fixed it.
No amount of shaking or rapid pressing causes the phone to miss a button press.
This is with US Version of phone w/ screen protector.
If you experience bad button behavior while phone is on a flat surface, re-calibrate:
SETTINGS->Language and Keyboard->HTC Sense Input->Advanced->Run Calibration Tool