Hey guys, I have energy rom on my tp2/rhodium and i'm trying to use the cooked in wi-fi router to share the interenet connection but my HD7 can't see it. Anyone else have this prob? I'm wondering what security protocol the wi-fi router uses... All my other devices see my mobile ssid no prob. Thanks.
I always had this problem on Android, fine with most devices, try and connect another mobile to it and it doesn't work.
I just came to the problem that there's a universal problem with Mobiles connecting to Mobile Hotspots made by other Mobiles.
I'd normally assume brand interoperability as well, but both devices are HTC. Except one is running wp7 and the other wm6.5. The only thing I can speculate on is that the wifi chipset the hd7 is using may not be able to recognize newer wifi security protocols - just like some early 2000 laptops can't connect to a network using WPA2-personal on AES security. I've run into that problem numerous times while repairing who knows how many hundreds of computers over the years. I still haven't gotten around trying to figure out what type of security energy's wifi router broadcasts with however, so I can't confirm.
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I'd normally assume brand interoperability as well, but both devices are HTC. Except one is running wp7 and the other wm6.5. The only thing I can speculate on is that the wifi chipset the hd7 is using may not be able to recognize newer wifi security protocols - just like some early 2000 laptops can't connect to a network using WPA2-personal on AES security. I've run into that problem numerous times while repairing who knows how many hundreds of computers over the years. I still haven't gotten around trying to figure out what type of security energy's wifi router broadcasts with however, so I can't confirm.
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In my previous experience:
T-Mobile G1 Hotspot is not picked up by:
-HTC Hero
-HTC Dream
-HTC Touch Diamond
-Xperia X1
-iPhone 3G
HTC Desire Hotspot is not picked up by (this is not to say they can be picked up when using T-Mobile G1, just not tested):
- All of the above mentioned
- Desire HD
- Desire Z
- Wildfire
- iPhone 3Gs
- iPhone 4
I have no networking knowledge (well very little), as the subject bores me but I can (and have) only come to the assumption that for some reason Mobile Hotspots when projected by Mobile Phones, cannot be picked up by other mobile phones.
For what it's worth (probably not much), my HD2's Wifi hotspot could not be picked up by my Sony PSP. Which made it pretty nearly useless!
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I just purchased the Tilt and love the features and possibilities, however I may be forced to return it if I cannot solve this problem.
I can connect the Tilt to my home WiFi network (Open/WEP) without any problems, and I can connect to several other APs (Open/Encrypted and No-Encrypt) without any problems.
In my office (where it'll be used the most) we use Cisco's lightweight access points with the WCS controller system. This system is configured with Open authentication and no encryption, and has a captive portal that you must login to in order to gain access to the network.
When I connect to this network, I stay connected for about 30-45 seconds (I can ping the Tilt from my wireless laptop for about that long), and then the Tilt stops responding on the network. The WiFi status says that it is reassociating with the network, but it never does. I can manually tell it to connect to the network, but that fails, too. While this is occurring, I can see all of the SSIDs (including ones not on the Cisco controller) that are available in our office, but cannot connect to any of those, either.
After a soft reset, I can connect to any of the other SSIDs with no problem until I try to connect to any of the SSIDs that are on the Cisco controller. After trying that, it repeats the same pattern and I must reset the Tilt before it will connect to any other access point.
I've actually done some wireless captures and cannot see any problems with the communication between the Cisco APs and the Tilt. It's just that after this "malfunction", the Tilt will successfully perform the normal 802.11 open-mode authentication, but will never proceed to the association phase.
I've talked to AT&T and HTC, and they told me my phone may be defective and to try a new phone. I've done that now, but it is still doing the same thing.
Has anyone had any similar experience?
Thanks!
This was a similar issue with my phone[Similar by reassociating with network, and soft reset], except it was on a campus[uses cisco] and not office! Basically i just had to register my kaiser's mac address with the school, and everything worked perfectly. Hopefully this helps!
That's an interesting observation. A campus network would be similar to my (large) office network.
Before you registered your MAC with the school, were you able to browse to anything?
I ask because our network doesn't require MAC addr's to be registered. It allows anyone onto the network as a "guest" and then you have to browse to a web page that lets you login to get Internet access.
But, the fact that you had to do a soft reset to get it working again is quite interesting, and points to a bug with WM6 or the device.
The Cisco WCS has some protection against DoS/etc. Maybe the tilt is doing something that's causing the WCS controller to think your device is a bad-guy and it places you on a blacklist. I think by default the WCS has a blacklist timer of about 5 mins... can't remember now. Could be what's happening though if after a reset you can't see the WCS SSID anymore.
That's a great point, too. We don't have any of the IDS/IPS functions that you're referring to turned on, but there's always those hidden features
We ran a quick test and watched the debug output of the WCS and didn't see any messages to indicate foul play.
It turns out that this problem was specific to Cisco's WLAN implementation. Cisco has a set of wireless extensions called CCX that are implemented on wireless devices (clients) to aid the infrastructure in managing the radio environment, location management, roaming, etc.
Apparently the WiFi chipset and/or drivers on the Tilt do not implement CCX (as 90% of other radios and drivers do), so when the WLAN sent a broadcast out asking for radio management reports, the Tilt's WiFi stack would just freak out.
We were able to work around this by disabling the CCX Location Measurement function in our Cisco 4400 series WLAN controller.
It would be nice to see an update from AT&T and HTC to fix this problem.
same thing happened to me.. same cisco wlse and same pda.. i also have to disable CCX. but it is quite useful feature of WLSE. i hope htc can fix it.
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It turns out that this problem was specific to Cisco's WLAN implementation. Cisco has a set of wireless extensions called CCX that are implemented on wireless devices (clients) to aid the infrastructure in managing the radio environment, location management, roaming, etc.
Apparently the WiFi chipset and/or drivers on the Tilt do not implement CCX (as 90% of other radios and drivers do), so when the WLAN sent a broadcast out asking for radio management reports, the Tilt's WiFi stack would just freak out.
We were able to work around this by disabling the CCX Location Measurement function in our Cisco 4400 series WLAN controller.
It would be nice to see an update from AT&T and HTC to fix this problem.
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Anyone know if a new driver is part of WM 6.1? I am holding out for the official AT&T version but was just wondering since I have this problem with the wifi at school.
This is all very odd. Tried to set up my Diamond to work with my BT Home Hub router last night and it just wouldn't find it, found all manner of neighbours routers, just not mine, despite both my laptop and ipod touch connecting no probs.
Anyone else had this problem???
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This might not be the solution but worth checking.....
I had a problem finding my work wireless network, it wouldn't find it or allow manual setup to it despite putting in the right password and SSID etc.
I therefore ticked the option "This is a hidden network" when setting up a wireless connection and all worked fine.
I am not familiar with the BT Home Hub, but you may want to confirm your router network protocols. If it is a newer, "N" wireless hub, the TD may not support that. You may need to configure your router to run in a N-B hybrid or something like that.
That's a good point actually. The Touch Diamond isn't very future-proof as it doesn't appear to support the next wifi standard. Maybe that's a sign that it won't get a WM7 update...
An N router should be able to handle B/G as well.
And the Diamond is hardly behind the times because it doesnt support N.
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And the Diamond is hardly behind the times because it doesnt support N.
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My laptop is over half a year old, and it supports the draft specification (it seems that probably only software updates will be required to support the final specification). Clearly the Touch Diamond hasn't been designed with the future in mind, and who can blame HTC? The iphone 3G is coming very soon...
I want to use my future Hero as a modem to access the internet. Is this possible? I could easily connect my nike to my Ubuntu machine over bleutooth. So I am a bit surprised to read on the net that it is not so easy (due to google blocking tethering apps)? Any pointers?
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I want to use my future Hero as a modem to access the internet. Is this possible? I could easily connect my nike to my Ubuntu machine over bleutooth. So I am a bit surprised to read on the net that it is not so easy (due to google blocking tethering apps)? Any pointers?
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well when the phone gets released ... root it (once a method is found that works).... then install wifi tether for root users
already done
Hero already has usb tethering built in, its under wireless controls in settings, there's an option to share mobile networks via usb
Hope this helps
Will this work with a Mac ?
No one is for sure yet. It hasn't worked in the leaked versions, even the shipped ones, so we won't know for sure until it is released in the UK on August 15th.
Bluetooth PAN should work as long as the Hero advertises itself correctly over Bluetooth.
Well that's the hopeful theory
That is currently a no-go as well. The Hero (device, not ROM) hasn't been rooted yet & Android throws a fit if you try to listen to the BT socket without root access. That's why the current BT tether apps for the Dream/Magic require root. Even the OBEX app BlueX in the market requires root to recieve files (but can send without root).
Sorry lol, I wan't it too.
Ouch... well thx for the heads up on that... I think
mmm... hopefully a solution will emerge either via BT or USB. But then the telco's are getting smart to the fact that people use their contracted and allowable (ie payed for) unlimited internet (I'm on an unlimited data Orange plan since my old Touch Diamond) do do a very bad thing...
Use it to transfer data
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No one is for sure yet. It hasn't worked in the leaked versions, even the shipped ones, so we won't know for sure until it is released in the UK on August 15th.
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It will be available in France from 22Jul09
Same here,in the Netherlands 21 or 22 juli
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Same here,in the Netherlands 21 or 22 juli
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But, the worth is that there are no single carrier who offers this phone and we are 1 day before official launch in EU!!!
Its available for preorder only in one shop for whole country for flat price of 500E, yay
unbelievable
Haha I've changed that release date so many times based on several different sites. That is the date on amazon.co.uk but I know carriers in some places are getting them earlier. Sorry lol. So whoever gets one, is the "Mobile Network Sharing" option enabled in settings?
In the netherlands they gave 75 away for free
I got one
will be delivered next week ^_^
Has anyone got the Mobile network sharing option working??? I can't get my laptop recognise the device in this mode...
I can confirm that the built-in usb tethering works on the Hero.
1) Plug in usb
2) Home screen -> Menu -> Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile network sharing
Your computer now sees a usb network adapter; The hero runs a dhcp server, so you can get all network settings from there. On my laptop (running Fedora linux) I did not have to do anything, NetworkManager automatically detected the new device and set up networking. I don't have a mac, but I assume it would work automatically as well.
PS: I bought my Hero from http://www.handtec.co.uk without contract. I'm using a 3 Ireland mobile broadband sim.
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I can confirm that the built-in usb tethering works on the Hero.
1) Plug in usb
2) Home screen -> Menu -> Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile network sharing
Your computer now sees a usb network adapter; The hero runs a dhcp server, so you can get all network settings from there. On my laptop (running Fedora linux) I did not have to do anything, NetworkManager automatically detected the new device and set up networking. I don't have a mac, but I assume it would work automatically as well.
PS: I bought my Hero from http://www.handtec.co.uk without contract. I'm using a 3 Ireland mobile broadband sim.
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That's excellent news! I'm running Windows 7 so I suppose it's just a driver issue. I will keep trying.
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I can confirm that the built-in usb tethering works on the Hero.
1) Plug in usb
2) Home screen -> Menu -> Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile network sharing
Your computer now sees a usb network adapter; The hero runs a dhcp server, so you can get all network settings from there. On my laptop (running Fedora linux) I did not have to do anything, NetworkManager automatically detected the new device and set up networking. I don't have a mac, but I assume it would work automatically as well.
PS: I bought my Hero from http://www.handtec.co.uk without contract. I'm using a 3 Ireland mobile broadband sim.
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Will this flag up with the provider? on t-mobile 3gb mobile internet per month.. you have to pay alot more for mobile broadband so dont want to use this then find on my bill theyv charged for tethering?
On winMo third party apps never flagged up however I fear this app seems more regulated?
Thoughts?
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Will this flag up with the provider? on t-mobile 3gb mobile internet per month.. you have to pay alot more for mobile broadband so dont want to use this then find on my bill theyv charged for tethering?
On winMo third party apps never flagged up however I fear this app seems more regulated?
Thoughts?
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It shouldn't do no, you are still dialing to their network in the same way you would on your phone, just there is a link for your computer to access that network.
I used the 3gb web and walk for 18 months and had a program on my winmo device called WMWifiRouter which did the same kind of thing (and Joikuspot on my Symbian) and used my laptop via my phone, never any issues!
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It shouldn't do no, you are still dialing to their network in the same way you would on your phone, just there is a link for your computer to access that network.
I used the 3gb web and walk for 18 months and had a program on my winmo device called WMWifiRouter which did the same kind of thing (and Joikuspot on my Symbian) and used my laptop via my phone, never any issues!
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yer had exactly the same apps as you mate. although wasn't happy when WMwifi became shareware
Just the fact this is prebuilt into the phone. Surely tmo won't have missed that?
OK got this thing working with Windows 7 32bit with the drivers for 64bit posted by Donge900 (thanks mate) on the HTC Sync thread here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4246028&postcount=19
Working perfectly!!! Happy man
Hi,
I have been trying to find a way to enable Wi-Fi tethering from my G1 to my PSP. I have tethered to my Xbox no problem but the PSP cannot see the hotspot when tethering is enabled.
I have learnt that this is because the PSP only uses infrastructure mode for Wi-Fi connections, and Ad-Hoc (which the G1 uses) is only used to connect to other PSP's.
Unfortunatley I don't know too much about the nuts and bolts of Wi-Fi networks so this might not even be possible, but can the G1 run as a Wi-Fi tether in infrastructure mode? If not, why not? im genuinley interested in learning more about this and software development in general.
I imagine the demand for a program to enable this would be pretty high, to be able to have full wi-fi access on your portable gaming systems, no matter where you are would be fantastic. When i had previously asked on another forum about using the G1 to tether my Xbox I was told the connection would be too slow for gaming, that is nonsense, so please don't let that put you off.
Many thanks, and looking forward to your feedback and opinions.
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Hi,
I have been trying to find a way to enable Wi-Fi tethering from my G1 to my PSP. I have tethered to my Xbox no problem but the PSP cannot see the hotspot when tethering is enabled.
I have learnt that this is because the PSP only uses infrastructure mode for Wi-Fi connections, and Ad-Hoc (which the G1 uses) is only used to connect to other PSP's.
Unfortunatley I don't know too much about the nuts and bolts of Wi-Fi networks so this might not even be possible, but can the G1 run as a Wi-Fi tether in infrastructure mode? If not, why not? im genuinley interested in learning more about this and software development in general.
I imagine the demand for a program to enable this would be pretty high, to be able to have full wi-fi access on your portable gaming systems, no matter where you are would be fantastic. When i had previously asked on another forum about using the G1 to tether my Xbox I was told the connection would be too slow for gaming, that is nonsense, so please don't let that put you off.
Many thanks, and looking forward to your feedback and opinions.
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Very true bro, 2mbps is nice and stable for online gaming, i used to do it with my PS3 2 years ago.. I know abit about wifi from long ago, its highly possible if the wifi hardware on the device which will send out a infrastructure ssid is like a routers wifi hardware, the trouble is, i'm sure mobile vendors don't want to let out harware info for software makers to make such software or else other standalone wifi portable devices will decrease in price and mobile phones with wifi would be very open to security attacks and fast to considering wifi speeds, also theres other technical glitches that could make it hard to creat a stable application being that not all mobile networks offer proper subnet masks or dns addresses, the list goes on........!!!!
please make making a tethering app and wifi router a first priority in for the wp7... developers
Moved to general.
wifi tethering
Anyone seen any option in the HD7 to share data wireless as could be done on the HD2?
The Samsung Focus and Omnia 7 can do it by going into diagnostic mode.
Hopefully someone will find a way to do it on the HD7.
I';d love to see this as well. I used it all the time on my HD2
also waiting for this kind app
i heard the 3 big telcos in US have already blocked the android apps, for tethering and router...
i think they will not allow for WP7 as well...