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There have been many many complaints about the drivers and software for the HTC Kaiser. In particular the bluetooth problems are VERY widespread and about 90% of bluetooth devices work poorly or not at all. The only way to fix this problem is to force HTC in the corner and put pressure on them to release a new ROM.
If you are experiencing problems PLEASE CALL 866-449-8358 for USA
or visit http://www.htc.com/support/care_hotline.htm to find the call center near you. We need to surge their call volume to the point where they escalate these issues to emergency status. The more people that call the quicker a fix will be released.
Also you can call ATT tech support in USA at 1-800-331-0500 and complain to them also. If ATT puts pressure on HTC by limiting sales due to high support costs, HTC will have a huge loss in the USA market.
When you are speaking to a representative ask them the volume of calls they have recieved for your particular issue and post that number here to help intice more people to call.
We have to take matters into our own hands otherwise there will not be fixes for this phone, and HTC will just concentrate on fixing these problems on their new phones currently in development.
I hope the admin for this makes this thread Sticky, because I know for a fact that HTC checks this forum to gauge user satisfaction.
I am not pissed off. Given the amount of features supported, there are bound to be some issues. How is this any different than the new gen of iPods not working with some older accessories? A petition has been started to adddress video drivers. I think this is a good practical step towards a resolution.
In particular, if looking at AT&T, they sell and support tens of different models of handsets, so why would they get all up in arms about a handful of Tilt owners calling.
As far as BT goes, I have not yet tried anything but some BT stereo headsets (3 different models) and they have all worked fine, as does my BT link in my Acura. At the cost of BT headsets these days, I would just find one that works well and buy it.
And in support of HTC, they have produced quite a few additional apps that work quite well such as the home screen, audio manager, photo viewer, comm manager, touch flo (albeit it works much better on the Elf for which is was meant), etc. In many cases, the software is finger friendly and works well.
I think the Tilt is the best device HTC's ever released to date. Sure it's got problems, but I trust HTC to iron them out.
Having accelerated graphics drivers would rock.
I agree, too many easily solved issues with this phone. HTC needs to support this device.
I'm not pissed off at HTC, I'm slightly disgruntled about the video acceleration but I've signed the petition and I have faith that they'll deal with it.
If you look at windows mobile devices in general HTC are the top dog (IMHO), the bigger problem than a couple of little niggling driver issues on a fairly new product is I would say Windows Mobile itself. I wish I knew what was going through their head when they designed it as its usable but nothing special. All credit to HTC for their apps, and more so to some of the fantastic people on here who have created wonderfully usable applications in their free time which improve so much on what MS pay people to do.
All that said I do hope the video issues will be dealt with before too long!
Not really.
I think HTC is one of the best. Every new generation hardware has some issues. I'm sure they are going to release updates to fix the problems. Starting a petition to jump start that process is a good idea.
Honestly...HTC software quality is way better compared to devices from other manufactuers like E-Ten (ugh...), Asus, Gigabyte....even Toshiba!
Nope. HTC seems to be getting better and better. Unless you're using a branded model, I don't know what the carrier did to it.
I'd like to see the video part taken care of, but overall it hasn't been that bad.
Well, aside from the video issue, I'm kinda surprised that few people are complaining about the speaker quality. It definitely needs a working equalizer. Also there are many issues if you try to talk to someone through the speaker in a non-silent place (like driving your car).
Bluetooth has always been touch and go ever since the broadcom stack was replaced with the MS one......
I think it would be a lot more useful if people worked out who was responsible for what...
MS make the OS - HTC tweak it to match their devices and add their own developed apps.
How many people with non-HTC branded Kaisers have the HTC homescreen on their device?
If I was HTC I would actually ignore a thread called "Are you pissed off with HTC" and would go and look for one that was balanced and reasonable in its criticisms.
Wow. Sure are a bunch of enabling fanboys around here. If you bought a BMW because they advertised the power of their engine and they didn't mention that it only came with a 2-speed transmission, would you call that a "niggling" problem too? The reason HTC continues to ignore blatant quality issues and opt for the cheapest, crappiest solutions is because people keep buying anyway, saying rediculous things like, "Well, it's not THAT bad," or "It's a phone first, then a camera." For $700, a PPC shouldn't be "not THAT bad" it should be a quality piece of machinery. Instead, HTC continues to cut corners to increase their profit margins, and 80% of these posts are people thanking them for it. If you're that free with your money (and your standards), please, I'll be happy to take it off your hands too.
i have no faith whatsoever in capitalism - they need to be pressured into doing something otherwise they will just ignore these problems - ive seen it happen time and time again in the past - you must stand for what you believe in
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Wow. Sure are a bunch of enabling fanboys around here. If you bought a BMW because they advertised the power of their engine and they didn't mention that it only came with a 2-speed transmission, would you call that a "niggling" problem too? The reason HTC continues to ignore blatant quality issues and opt for the cheapest, crappiest solutions is because people keep buying anyway, saying rediculous things like, "Well, it's not THAT bad," or "It's a phone first, then a camera." For $700, a PPC shouldn't be "not THAT bad" it should be a quality piece of machinery. Instead, HTC continues to cut corners to increase their profit margins, and 80% of these posts are people thanking them for it. If you're that free with your money (and your standards), please, I'll be happy to take it off your hands too.
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I totally agree !!! At this so high price, we could expect much much more from this device, also when you know that this high price is due to the fact that a lot of hardware is inside, but HTC allows us to only use a small portion of it !
I feel like buying a big house, but restricted to live in only one small room ...
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I hope the admin for this makes this thread Sticky, because I know for a fact that HTC checks this forum to gauge user satisfaction.
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There is already a thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1703056 ) with VERY similar contents so I'm unsure about making this thread another sticky (there have been SEVERAL similar threads - for example, the D3D one - ; then, we would need to make all of them sticky). However, I've linked to this thread from there and, if you REALLY want, you could also ask the thread starter there to link to your thread too.
I'll alos keep an eye on this thread and if it receives a lot of answers / messages, I reconsider making it sticky.
HTC doesn't always release drivers with devices. One of the other members around here was saying it took several months to get a certain driver out the door after they had release some other device.
I think HTC will get us a fix for video drivers, but they're largely at the mercy of Qualcomm, who seems to be having problems finding people to create drivers for them (as is evidenced by recent job postings from them).
I would love the updated video drivers.
But one of my biggest annoyances is the keyboard's inability to properly transmit all the letters I type when I am typing fast. Palm sucks, but I will admit my Treo 650 had the best keyboard/keyboard software combo of any mobile device I've ever used. The error correction was ingenious, and it could take input as fast as I could give it.
Just as extra insight:
All (Y)our posts end up consilidated by reports at HTC's HQ here in Taiwan.
They are extremely busy grasping big chunks of the WM6 PDA market (10 million pieces objecive for 2008) and competing with CHINA.
BENEFIT is the main driver, and, sorry to say, they did not show any pro-active attitude in solving issues or complains.
I could put a copy of some emails between them and me here, though I will not let them "loose face". (loosing face is more shamefull than loosing business, do not forget this)
My BT Headset works Perfect. BT isn't perfect @all, so you can't complain about BT stuff to HTC... HTC Users WM6, and some Components and stuff, I'm sure are based on the OS (else the OS would make no sence). So blaim HTC for the Bluetooth Chaos is wrong and kiddy style. I've always expirienced problems with BT... so why should HTC be the one who fix the whole BT problem.
I'm very hapy with me original HTC Tytn II.
My HTC TyTN II (Kaiser) works 100% reliably with my bluetooth car kit and my bluetooth home phone adapter, my WiFi network at home and at work, syncs with my work PC running XP Pro and my home PC running Vista.
NONE of this was possible with my previous Nokia N70.
If anyone has SW quality problems it's Nokia, IMHO the Kaiser rocks!
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I could put a copy of some emails between them and me here, though I will not let them "loose face". (loosing face is more shamefull than loosing business, do not forget this)
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That is exactly what you should do. Why protect HTC - they're in the wrong here and we need to hold the accountable. They need to know that if they won't fix a crippled device, they're going to lose face over it.
No. I am not pissed off.
So, if the iphone had microsoft exchange sync and wasn't tied exclusively to one carrier, would you choose it over the Kaiser?
no period no
Its not tied to one carrier anymore when you unlock it. I use both, and it depends on what I'm doing to decide when I switch my SIM from one to another. There are things the Tilt can't touch on the iPhone, and vice versa.
nope, too many other reasons why. instead of saying "if the iphone had this and that" why not just say "if the kaiser had multitouch and sensors"? i mean those are the only features it doesnt have, not worth trying to add more features too the iphone.
Oh hell no.
The iphone is garbage. It can't send/ receive mms messages (without using a 3rd party email account and forwarding)... and it does not have 3g capabilities.
lets not forget that you cant get to the battery with out voiding the waranty if nothing else we have definitly got them there
I love my tilt
I'm think of getting an iphone to mess around with it. I current on Att with data connect plan for data. Do i have to upgrade the data to some kind of special plans for iphone?
i have a tilt and i love it, the only thing that i would say that i like about the iphone is the touch capabilities... thats about it.
you know, besides the video part, the screen res. and the multi-touch screen, Everything else on the Kaiser beats the iPhone.
i stand correct:
if i want a phone for looks and to wow people cuz i have an iphone...yes i would get it...
but if i want a phone for its functionality...no...never will i get the iphone...
in reality...i would probably never get the iphone...especially since i already got my tytn II
Hokay, to (hopefully) end this endless iPhone VS Kaiser debate, let me post this (warning, lots of letters):
1. EDGE-only, and limited Wi-Fi: Cingular's rapidly rolling out HSDPA across the country, with other carriers (T-Mobile with UMTS, Sprint and Verizon with EV-DO Revision A, and Sprint with WiMAX, for example) making similar high-speed data services infrastructure investments. Yet the Apple iPhone only handles comparatively archaic and slow EDGE, which will hobble Apple's hype of it as a 'breakthrough Internet communications device'. Hold this particular thought until you read my later comments on the product's profit margin, keeping in mind estimates that bumping the iPhone from EDGE to HSDPA would have only cost Apple around $20 more. Yes, the unit also offers Wi-Fi (b/g), but you won't be able to access it via your Cingular plan; get ready to also pay Boingo or another provider if you want a pervasive 802.11 experience. And as much as Zune got clobbered for its incomplete to-date Wi-Fi implementation, the Apple iPhone's no better. No wireless iTunes sync with a computer? No direct downloads from the iTunes Store? C'mon
2. No removeable battery: Long-time readers know this is a frequent sore point of mine. Manufacturers claim that by going with a completely enclosed battery they can make their systems thinner, smaller, lighter and otherwise more aesthetically pleasing than they'd otherwise be. To date, this has pretty much been BS; at end-of-day, economy-of-scale factors still motivate companies to go with off-the-shelf batteries instead of custom units. And by burying a limited-life battery within its widget, Apple's built in a guaranteed replacement requirement....one that under normal usage will conveniently occur prior to the end of the required two-year service contract with Cingular.
3. High price, and high profit margin: $500-600 for the phone. Plus a roughly $100-month voice-plus-data service plan, with two-year minimum duration. 'Nuff said on price. Regarding margin, it's interesting to see Apple engaging in Microsoft-like pre-announcement hype of late. Last summer, the company unveiled the iTV, an under-development product re-unveiled two weeks ago as Apple TV and still not shipping for another month-plus. And the Apple iPhone won't be shipping until at least the end of June....plenty of time for dissenting voices such as mine to creep into the public consciousness, along with iSuppli's recent analysis that the Apple iPhone will cultivate a roughly 50% bill-of-materials profit margin for the company. Yes, other expenses (marketing, manufacturing, sales, etc) aren't included in the analysis, but they're insignificant when amortized over the number of iPhones that Apple aspires to sell. And most consumers won't comprehend that these other costs are not included; they'll just see 50% margin and think greed.
4. Carrier- and application-lock: Apple and Cingular must have missed the late November 2006 memo wherein the Library of Congress approved a copyright exemption (more from Ars Technica and MAKE) that allows DMCA circumvention for "cell phone firmware that ties a phone to a specific wireless network". I have mobile service through T-Mobile, so I'm not an iPhone candidate unless I'm a "bad guy" (in Cingular terminology) who figures out how to unlock the device by myself. And Jobs' explanation for the Apple-gated (thereby potentially excluding Office file viewers, for example, and VoIP) iPhone application allowance, that "Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up," is equally laughable, not to mention technically indefensible. In reality, it's nothing more than an unfriendly-to-consumer but lucrative-to-company extension of the FairPlay DRM lock-to-Apple strategy.
5. Large size: I think Pocket PC Phones are too bulky, both to stow in my pocket and to hold up to my face. I'm also not a fan of wired or wireless headsets, and I therefore prefer the Smartphone approach. But Maury, and plenty of other folks, find the larger iPhone-like form factor and headset approach palatable. So this is admittedly a personal-taste nit.
6. No tactile keypad: Time and time again, touchscreen-only user interfaces with 'floating keypads' have been panned by potential customers and have therefore been unsuccessful in the market aside from in narrow market niches. Will this time be different? I'm skeptical.
7. Low-res camera: An only-2 Mpixel camera? On a $500-$600 phone? C'mon
8.No expansion slot: The operating system (which may or may not be OS X as Jobs touted during his 'reality distortion field' keynote), gobbles up 500 MBytes' worth of the 4 or 8 GBytes of flash memory built into the phone. Installed applications consume even more, and let's not forget those all-important music tracks and video clips. Run out of memory? Too bad, buy a bigger-capacity phone. There's no memory card expansion capability for you.
9. Insufficient between-charge operating time: Apple's documentation claims up to 5 hours when talking on the phone, playing back videos or browsing the Internet. I believe 5 hours of talk time, which is in and of itself low compared to competitors products. And I 'may' believe 5 hours of video playback time, given that the unit is flash memory-based and given the track record of the company's firmware upgrade-based improvements here on the first- and second-generation video-capable iPods. But I don't buy it for a second with Internet-based functions, EDGE- and particularly Wi-Fi-based. Anyone else who regularly manages email, fires up a web browser, or does another Net-centric function on a device with a small battery will, I think, agree with my stance here. And, revisiting my earlier embedded-battery point, realize that Apple's operating life prognostications assume a brand new battery.
10. Unoriginality: Admittedly, this may be my most controversial argument. Go back and look at any of my past Pocket PC and Smartphone writeups. Look at any of the devices now available from carriers. Now realize that many of them are now selling for free-to-sub-$100, subsidized under the exact same contract terms as Apple's $500-600 iPhone. Windows Mobile-based devices, as well as products based on Palm, Symbian and alternative operating systems, have for years been doing what Apple's promising its iPhone will do in....around six months from now. Phone? Check. Audio playback? Check. Video playback? Check. Internet access? Check. Wi-Fi? Check. 3G data? Check-plus. Bluetooth? Check. Camera? Check. GPS? Check-plus. I could go on (but I won't). Some folks are even claiming that Apple blatantly stole from an LG phone design. Granted, Apple may have advanced the state of the art to some degree, in some areas, in an evolutionary manner, by virtue of its large touchscreen and other factors. But is the Apple iPhone revolutionary? That's quite a stretch.
Taken from http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1100006510.html
Take it or leave it, I did not write it, nor do I agree with everything there. It's just a good write-up that deserves to be read be people who choose between the two.
There's been LOTS of bashing Kaiser... and way too much iPhone lovin' - but that's just my observation.
guys, when the sdk iphone 16gb comes out(and it is coming out within the next 2 months), its going to DESTROY the kaiser tytn 2 and all other HTC products currently offered. seriously think about it now.....
well i could personally careless about the new iphone...i text quite a bit and i've previously owned phones with no keyboard...and its a pain in the bottom to me at least...and the tytnII suites my needs...whether it should perform better..lets not go there here as we've already said many times in other threads...whether i will get the iphone or not? probably not...it looks good and all the interface..but doesnt suit my needs...but am i 100% satisifed with the tytnII...no...but who here can say they have been 100% satisfied with there phone and thinks its the number one and nothing else can compare? theres gonna be pros and cons to everyphone...its just picking the phone that has the most pros to each user...but i will look into the new SE xperia when more info is available
The Iphone is too apple-specific for my tastes. I like having the option of using cooked ROMs, napster for music, and loads of third-party applications on my tilt. Extended life batteries and a QWERTY keyboard are great. I also like the fact that I have pretty much unlimited storage, since I can switch out as many microSD cards as I want. I work with a guy that has an Iphone, and with the exception of watching videos, my tilt kicks his Iphone's butt.
Both phones have their strong points, but the Kaiser has a lot more of them than the Iphone does.
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Hokay, to (hopefully) end this endless iPhone VS Kaiser debate, let me post this (warning, lots of letters):
1. EDGE-only, and limited Wi-Fi: Cingular's rapidly rolling out HSDPA across the country, with other carriers (T-Mobile with UMTS, Sprint and Verizon with EV-DO Revision A, and Sprint with WiMAX, for example) making similar high-speed data services infrastructure investments. Yet the Apple iPhone only handles comparatively archaic and slow EDGE, which will hobble Apple's hype of it as a 'breakthrough Internet communications device'. Hold this particular thought until you read my later comments on the product's profit margin, keeping in mind estimates that bumping the iPhone from EDGE to HSDPA would have only cost Apple around $20 more. Yes, the unit also offers Wi-Fi (b/g), but you won't be able to access it via your Cingular plan; get ready to also pay Boingo or another provider if you want a pervasive 802.11 experience. And as much as Zune got clobbered for its incomplete to-date Wi-Fi implementation, the Apple iPhone's no better. No wireless iTunes sync with a computer? No direct downloads from the iTunes Store? C'mon
You can have direct downloads from the iTunes store
8.No expansion slot: The operating system (which may or may not be OS X as Jobs touted during his 'reality distortion field' keynote), gobbles up 500 MBytes' worth of the 4 or 8 GBytes of flash memory built into the phone. Installed applications consume even more, and let's not forget those all-important music tracks and video clips. Run out of memory? Too bad, buy a bigger-capacity phone. There's no memory card expansion capability for you.
There is a 16GB version out now. Still 15.5gb free.
Oh - and in the UK on o2, we get unlimited free access to The Cloud's Hotspots, which seem to be pretty widespread. IE in McDonalds and so forth.
Taken from http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1100006510.html
Take it or leave it, I did not write it, nor do I agree with everything there. It's just a good write-up that deserves to be read be people who choose between the two.
There's been LOTS of bashing Kaiser... and way too much iPhone lovin' - but that's just my observation.
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I have one and those are the only two points I wanted to contend, but I can quite plainly see the downfalls of the iPhone and I love mine anyway. My comments in bold
I'm sure I would love the Kaiser if I had one too.
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guys, when the sdk iphone 16gb comes out(and it is coming out within the next 2 months), its going to DESTROY the kaiser tytn 2 and all other HTC products currently offered. seriously think about it now.....
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Once the iPhone gets 3G, GPS, and maybe a better keyboard, what reason is there to use an HTC or other smartphones besides lower price?
OSX mobile is only going to get better; it has solid, mature foundations - unlike Linux or PalmOS; and hopefully it opens itself to 3rd party apps properly. Who doesn't want a device that's a company's near #1 priority?
there are only 2 things holding me back from actually getting the iPhone....
1.GPS - iPhone needs needs NEEDS GPS...with the processing power it has, it can support a kick ass GPS software.
2. Copy/Paste - yes, it bugs the **** out of me. I copy paste numbers to SMS on my Kaiser all the time...how can a $600 phone not have Copy/Paste, its so ****ing crazy...i can go on and on about this...
I would have one tomorrow if they included the following features:
1. GPS - fully functional, not some data intensive half-ass'd attempt.
2. 3G/HSDPA - Edge is just not fast enough!
3. MS Exchange server functionality
4. Media Messaging
5. A properly functioning touch screen keyboard
When the iPhone rumors were abounding, I would have definitely taken it over any other phone. When the reality hit, I wasn't all that excited anymore.
The fact is that the iPhone is the future of phones. EVERYONE is playing catch up trying to match its slick interface. Can Windows Mobile even hold a candle to the iPhone when it comes to usability? Hell no. WM is slow, often annoying, doesn't even allow you to close things, and has a lot more problems on the usability side (not to say it sucks, it just had problems - ya know?)
Things are looking better and better every day. Application development seems to have taken off and the iPhone looks more and more attractive all the time. But you have to realize it is in its infancy. Windows Mobile took a little while to get going - people didn't have the choice of 10,000 apps, cooked ROMS, etc. all on day one. So it is with the iPhone.
In my mind, the iPhone is like a baby superhero and Windows Mobile is like the adult average guy. Like, it's obvious who is going to win in the end. Microsoft will need to make some major changes to Windows Mobile if they want to compete in the future marketplace. Otherwise people will start taking them about as seriously as Palm OS.
So - to answer the question: Would i choose an iPhone today? No.
Would I buy an iPhone in six month (or when it has xyz features?): Probably, but we'll have to see what else (Windows Mobile, Android, etc.) has come along by then.
I won't go on record like others in this thread and say "never" because ... well, that's really stupid.
"Why, I'll never buy anything other than a Ma' Bell rotary telephone!"
I will buy iPhone for sure .... only if it runs Windows Mobile
But .... When?
Ok I am fast moving towards selling my diamond and buying one of those giant brick phones from the 80's seriously....
Ok the killers for me are battery life, poor reception, its laggy and for some reason it hangs up when I try to answer a call too often.
So I'm sure others are thinking the same thing, what are the alternatives everyone is looking at??
The 3g iphone might be an option for me, I know there is not as much software for them but I made the pc -> mac change a while ago and never looked back. Is there anything else worth concidering with 3G and GPS??
It really depends on what is important to you.. does it need to be small? does the OS matter? Does it have to be a 'smart' phone?
You can start by looking here: http://pdadb.net/
You can filter on OS, screen size (vga, qvga) etc
Personally i havnt found anything of similar size and spec. Only the iphone comes close but apple have really locked it down. I can see software being high priced
Also it'll cost a bomb for the tariff - you can't walk into a store and buy it without signing up on the spot. So even if an 'unlock' comes out you're stuck. Unless you buy a prepay one - price not confirmed yet but probably 400 quid on O2.
If the look of the 3g iphone appeals then check out the Samsung i900 Omnia. Be aware though, it is brand new, like the diamond, and like the diamond, will be buggy.
To be honest, if you want a phone that works, don't buy brand new just released models.
How about HTC Touch Pro?
I just sold a 16gb iPhone to change to a Touch Diamond (which should arrive tomorrow). The iPhone is a great piece of kit - but unfortunately Apple made too much effort making it a cool media device, and not enough time making it a phone.
No MMS, Poor SMS features (not able to delete a single text, no idea of text length etc), No Video Recording etc.
I originally sold it to buy a 3G iPhone - but then I found out its exactly the same software - except with GPS and 3G.
Samsung Omnia (SGH-i900) is an alternative. Coming very soon. But still questions re: which 3G bands it will support (but we already know the Diamond is only dual band 3G, so it likely won't be any worse).
toshiba g910
Xperia X1, no doubt¡. I wont buy Diamond because of the lack of KB and the comments here. Then I was going to buy HTC Touch Pro and finally....I fell in love with Xperia X1.....
The Xperia doesn't have Satellite GPS, only Data GPS (A-GPS) -> No Tomtom etc, only expensive Google Maps navigation.
The Samsung i900 seems to be an alternative, but seems to have a weaker backlight of the display in comparison with Diamond or iphone 3G.
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The Xperia doesn't have Satellite GPS, only Data GPS (A-GPS) -> No Tomtom etc, only expensive Google Maps navigation.
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from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS
"Some A-GPS solutions require an active connection to a cell phone (or other data) network to function, in others[2][3] it simply makes positioning faster and more accurate, but is not required."
i beleive this statement is incorrect. agps is more faster and trys to get your position by downloading data from internet
Just my 2 cents:
Death before getting iphone.
Remember boys, Second best they are!
Samsung Omnia, if you want WM one with good features. Only two things that really bother me about it - Samsung propietary connector and lack of proper hard reset (so if you install something bad that prevents booting of OS, you screwed and will have to visit a service center for re-flash).
If you dont care about WM, consider the new iPhone 3G. Its less feature-packed, however price is better too.
Or just wait for something from E-Ten.
Or for Google Android devices
i'll buy a brick if.......i''ll know that is supported here and it will have a sub-forum here, at xda-dev.!!!!!
now serious i found a little funny an futile to open here, in diamond's forum a thread about "i sold my diamond, what to buy instead".
each rom i flash, each tweak i add i like more and more my diamond.
generally speaking please stop posting completely useless post, and stop responding. each time you respond you "bump" it in the detriment of other post that are dealing with important technical stuff and help ppl in distress here. i know, i just did that but for a good cause...lol
we have more important things to do than considering witch new pda to buy and replace the diamond.
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i'll buy a brick if.......i''ll know that is supported here and it will have a sub-forum here, at xda-dev.!!!!!
now serious i found a little funny an futile to open here, in diamond's forum a thread about "i sold my diamond, what to buy instead".
each rom i flash, each tweak i add i like more and more my diamond.
generally speaking please stop posting completely useless post, and stop responding. each time you respond you "bump" it in the detriment of other post that are dealing with important technical stuff and help ppl in distress here. i know, i just did that but for a good cause...lol
we have more important things to do than considering witch new pda to buy and replace the diamond.
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No one can describe the sense of coolness you get when you install gsen turn your phone around......... I hear you bradaa, i love tweaking my baby, (something you will never get on another device).
Remember second best they are!
So I'm thinking of giving my Athena a rest and changing to something else.
I have an offer for cheap Shift but as I have read the device is crippled by default. No surprise there as this seems to be the trend with HTC devices in general.
So is there any news on getting Shift to do actual phone calls with bluetooth headset? I don't want to carry two devices with me.
Hope this doesn't turn into a war like the other threads related Shift and its phone cababilities
Just buy the shift and wait There's no news apart from all the news you already read in the other posts. Believe me, as soon as there's a ROM with voice calling, Shift sales will rise, and this forum will crash under the load of puppy-happy owners.
Do not.. I repeat, do NOT hold your breath. And where is the "war" going on ? I see only consensus here.
Also, bear in mind that it may never actually be possible to make phone calls with the Shift (other than over IP anyway). I'm only saying this because there are an awful lot of people with very high hopes over what will be possible to do with the Shift, but precious little evidence that most of it will come to pass.
My personal belief is that voice calling will be possible at some point in the future, but you'll never be able to use a Bluetooth headset with it because the Bluetooth radio just isn't connected to the WinMo side of the device, but this is only an opinion and not a fact!
Regards,
Dave
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saeros said:
So I'm thinking of giving my Athena a rest and changing to something else.
I have an offer for cheap Shift but as I have read the device is crippled by default. No surprise there as this seems to be the trend with HTC devices in general.
So is there any news on getting Shift to do actual phone calls with bluetooth headset? I don't want to carry two devices with me.
Hope this doesn't turn into a war like the other threads related Shift and its phone cababilities
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Do you wish to have a good PDA ?
- This is not the best PDA "yet"
- Too many risk to take, just to have unsatisfied unlocked feature of PDA "at this moment"
- Too big, better buy HTC Touch Pro or Experia 1
Do you wish to have good UMPC ?
- With good tweaking of downsized the RAM consumption (mine was only 550meg running vista), you will have mediocre speed of UMPC, wanna get faster ? better use XP or Ubuntu
- Still, the speed is not that powerfull compare to other cheap intel atom cpu UMPC
- Need more money to improve the battery life, but your device will get thicker, or real pain by using external charger
Do you wish to have both ?
- By far, you only have 2 choices, either this brick or Dualcor CPC (this peace of sh*t that put shift in real trouble)
Why I buy Shift ?
- Got my sentimental reason, I have old vendetta with Sony UX that is too small to use as UMPC, and I like HTC cause got a lot of friends here to help me out
- Other than that, pure hobby, cause i will use Diamond to get the most of PDA
If only ...
- Can access SD (mine was 16gb sdhc)
- RAM upgrade on Vista
- Accelerometer enabled (at this moment only in linux)
- I dont need video/voice call on shift, what for ??, its too big, sms is enough
Other considerations ?
- Fujitsu U1010 and Diamond
If you got good price offer of Shift, make sure that you really want to take risk by unlocking your expensive device
In Finland you can get HTC Shift for 800€ from one of our service providers. That is correct price for this kind of device, because those limitations (bluetooth, SD-card, Phone). I just ordered one.
Hey people could we open an own section for the samsung ativ S? It will soon come out and it would be nice to have it done then.
There is not even a section for the 8X - a phone which is released, and which I have sitting in my hand right now.
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There is not even a section for the 8X - a phone which is released, and which I have sitting in my hand right now.
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I only came to this thread to say the same thing! Lets get one opened please...
The Jones said:
I only came to this thread to say the same thing! Lets get one opened please...
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There appears to be some Nokia bias going on here.
Ativ S prototype
I've got a Prototype of the Ativ S on my hands.
I would love to see a section about it!
Still has a lot of bug, but I'm waiting for the proper ROM from Samsung to see if it will be good.
I totally agree! Ist's time vor a Samsung Ativ S section!
Get my ATIV S later today - would really like a section for this device... Anything in the pipeline???
Just got me an ativ s need forum
We need Ativ S forum please!
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Khmer123 said:
We need Ativ S forum please!
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Would be great. I have for two weeks the ATIV-S with 16 GB and at the beginning some problmes or difficulties. Still searching for some tools and toggles
This one is very active: http://forums.wpcentral.com/samsung-ativ-s/
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Would be great. I have for two weeks the ATIV-S with 16 GB and at the beginning some problmes or difficulties. Still searching for some tools and toggles
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What kind of problems do you have?
Still waiting for the section!
me too section for ativ S
New ativ s user here too
Sent from my SGH-T899M using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
+1
We need Ativ S forum please!
@mods
I understand why opening a forum for each device might not be worth it given the time to create them, space, etc
but can WP8 at least get a devices forum? Instead of just general, Q&A, dev, & apps, there should be a forum where people can discuss devices and more device specific things.
Having all the phones grouped together is not practical because the L822 and the L928 and the Ativ S are different in terms of battery life and preformance, plus device specific accessories like cases, etc
I don't expect XDA to be on the same level as WPCentral but I should at least be able to do some phone specific discussion
Edit: I just found that there are some device forums http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php?tab=other&os=Windows+Phone
L820,L920,8x and http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2010
but still Ativ S should get a section and there really should be an "other devices" section like with android if we aren't going to have all devices with their own forum
hi
i'm thinking of getting one, whats the user experience like as no stores seem to stock them in Chelmsford, essex. UK.
are they easy to unlock? of is £233 delivered for an unlocked one good value.
User experience, assuming you're asking about the phone in particular and not the OS in general, is good. The combination of good CPU and expandable storage isn't available in any other Windows Phone model right now. The 720p screen is slightly narrower in aspect ratio than the 5:3 ratio that WP7 used, so apps may be stretched a little unevenly, but even if you look for it it's usually not visible. The screen is excellent, with good visibility in a range of light conditions and great color, plus a sufficiently high DPI that even tiny text is clearly legible. I've had no trouble with the pentile layout; the pixels are just too small to see (and I have pretty good eyesight). Battery life is fantastic, although (like most Samsung devices) it prefers to charge off more power than a typical USB port will provide. Still, if I stream music on it all day long, plus email, IM, web browsing, ebooks, short stretches of GPS navigation, and a bit of gaming, it will still have power left when I get home at night and it will charge up overnight off my Surface RT tablet (a more powerful USB port will let it charge much faster). The loudspeaker, headphone audio, and cameras are all respectable but nothing to write home about, although the double-action shutter button (standard on all Windows phones) works very well. The presence of a physical (not-capacitive) Start button means the phone can be woken from sleep by pressing Start, which is easier for me than hitting the actual power button; for some reason, it's on the side of the phone. The chassis feels durable and is comfortable in the hand, yet it's easy to remove the back plate. It is a bit more slippery than my old HD7, but I haven't dropped it yet. The huge screen size makes typing a breeze and also makes it great for reading text or showing pictures / videos to people.
I've had some troubles with WiFi; be aware that if you need absolutely reliable connects-to-anything WiFi, this might not be the phone for you (I have unlimited cellular data, so if a WiFi network doesn't connect properly I just don't bother with it). Cellular data works well and quickly, and has pretty good reception, but I haven't been able to get the WiFi hotspot feature to work yet (wired tethering works but is a bit of a hack). I have once had to reboot the phone because volume controls weren't working correctly; that was annoying. I haven't tried out NFC yet, but it's present.
Beyond that, there isn't much about the phone in particular that isn't also common with other Windows Phone 8 handsets. You may want to go to a store and play with a HTC 8X or a Lumia 920 or similar; that will give you a feel for the OS. Samsung does supply one software feature not found on all Windows phones: an app to block calls automatically. Their Diagnosis app (used for, among other things, wired tethering) is also Samsung-specific.
Please note that my experiences are based on a SIM-unlocked SGH-T899M handset that I bought from Canada. There's at least one other model of Ativ S that will have slightly different specs, and may work better (or worse) on some other networks.
As for unlocking, that depends on what you mean. SIM-unlocking depends on who it's locked to; I just bought an unlocked phone. The official developer unlock (for installing homebrew apps) is easy enough, but requires Windows 8 and a Marketplace Developer registration (the latter typically costs money but can be had for free by students). It also only provides a limited number of apps. A simpler or more complete sideloading unlock has not been discovered yet, never mind the possibilities of either fully unlocking the device to run arbitrary programs and access everything, or installing custom ROMs. While I'd hope that such things will some, they take time and require a dedicated effort to find vulnerabilities.
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Please note that my experiences are based on a SIM-unlocked SGH-T899M handset that I bought from Canada. There's at least one other model of Ativ S that will have slightly different specs, and may work better (or worse) on some other networks.
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Do you mean that in settings -----> about you have "Samsung SGH-T899M"????? because I have "Samsung GT-I8750"