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Help make GV/MyFaves piggy backing legit

http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
The post for those too lazy to go and read it
Currently there is a way to add your google voice number to MyFaves and avoid using any minutes for almost any call.
I don't know if this is "Working as intended" or is an unplaned gaff....
Let me tell you why T-Mobile should not only let this happen, but encourage this.
I have a G1, cheapest plans possible. my bill is around 60 bucks a month...
If this MyFaves/GV trick became something i could count on here are the actions i will take with out question.
I will Buy my wife the MyTouch (canceling her current Virgin Mobile pay as u go plan)
I will change my calling plan to a "MyFaves" famlie plan
I will have unlimmited data plans on both phones.
I will cancle my current home phone (Vonage)
My T-mobile monthly bill will go from $60 a month to over $125, and it will become my and my wife's main phone lines.
Also with work/friends i am the known "Android hacker" and people listen to me...
When i tell people about this possiblity they get excited and want in on it.
T-Mobile... be the "Data Pipe" Google wants you to be, you will gain subscribers
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ekeefe41 said:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.

jashsu said:
Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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I couldn't have said this all better myself.
To OP: Be happy with the loophole you have now. Make this mainstream and you'll see the loophole closed up nice and quick.

Here is the thing...
I personally will not do the things in my post unless i can confirm it is something i can rely on.
scenario
I buy a 2nd phone for the wife
I cancel my home (Vonage) phone line
I then begin to rely on this piggy backing as a part of my monthly finances...
BOOM
T-mobile closes the loophole.
I am stuck with an extra phone/Plan that i can't get out of....
My bill goes through the roof because these phones are now our only voice option.
Until i get a confirmation from T-Mobile i will push the issue...
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.

ekeefe41 said:
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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Haha. I like your attitude!
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
It seems to me that what you need to get is one of those truly unlimited in-region calling (I think MetroPCS has something like that? Also T-Mo has the Unlimited Loyalty Plan.) You can be assured that you'll be billed a flat monthly rate that way regardless of your usage and regardless of whether or not you are routing through GV.

I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.

jashsu said:
Haha. I like your attitude!
Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.

uberingram said:
I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Please explain your self.
If i am going to agree to additional contracts, i need to know the scope of what is allowed and what is not for my own protection.

ekeefe41 said:
Please explain your self.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.

ekeefe41 said:
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.

uberingram said:
1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
But thanks for trying to be insulting.
I have been using GV for almost a week now, no 8 minute, no bugs.
The service has been good enough that i am considering major changes to my service providers. A change that would give me more functionality at almost the same cost...
I am not sure i fully grasp your hostility.
Any contract i am involved with i like to know everything i can.
If that is strange to you... well that's your issue.

ekeefe41 said:
The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?

jashsu said:
I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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I suppose it is less a petition, and more of a wish for clarification.
I know for a fact that google would like ISP's and Tel-Co to be more like a "Pipe" for data. With Google controlling as much content as they can (for advertisement $$)
This Google Voice product is a perfect example of this coming to fruition.
All you need is one TelCo jumping on board and prices come down for everyone.
Thank you for calling my post "whiny"... i was trying to make a point. I must have done a poor job.

ekeefe41 said:
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.

jashsu said:
I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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ha ha ha!
I have like a "Quiz" day with her every once in a while.. aka, if i died could you access our bank accounts.
She Fails on a regular basis.
She does not have access to this stuff by my choice, in fact i have given it to her multiple times, multiple ways for her to remember.
She wants nothing to do with it.
It's not that i am a control freak... it's that she is lazy and does not want to concern her self with this stuff.
But yea, we have spiraled way too far in to my personal life, hehe

brandenk said:
That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I am asking people to bump the thread in the t-mobile thread... if they like the idea of this piggybacking.
I myself, for the way i treat bills and contracts, need specific clarification so i will keep pushing regardless.
If you don't agree, then don't bump the t-Mobile thread.

Ugg.... never mind.
It looks like it is official a bug (not intended)
http://devin.reams.me/free-google-voice-calls-with-t-mobile-myfaves/
UPDATE: as mentioned by Josiah in the comments, this violates this statement on T-Mobile’s website: “Your five numbers must be US domestic numbers and must not include … customers’ own numbers; and single numbers allowing access to 500 or more persons.”
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aad4321 said:
yeah but because you wont have free incoming you will have to set the gv number to show on an incoming call and add it to the fav5. long story short u will not know who i calling you unless you have that stupid press 1 to accept thing.
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That would be the big limitation
But with google voice you can listen in on the message before you pick up

yea this needs a lot of clearing up....gvoice isnt widely available

UMA
ekeefe41 said:
Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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why dont you get a UMA phone form T-mobile, for a few bucks a month and drop your Vonage right there saves u about 25$

Developer Firmware - Privacy Concerns

Just talked to TMobile, and as I said I'm thinking about abandoning them for the iPhone they credited me $100 toward the Nexus One. (my plan all along) I am now on a Loyalty unlimited talk plan with 300 texts ($50), and with the Nexus I'd add web for another $20. If I buy the phone outright this would save $600 over 2 years compared with the iPhone.
HOWEVER, I am concerned that Google has their tentacles all throughout the OS, and I want to take all measures to stop that. I particularly don't like their search query tracking (I use ixquick) and their nav app, as their privacy policies are atrocious.
I guess installing a dev-modified firmware would void the warranty? Does the bootloader need to be modified? What else?
Where is the best place to find a selection of firmwares? How about open-source apps? What else would be handy?
I hear that HTC has some sort of 'phone home' function. How to neuter that?
I have a friend with a Droid, and was surprised to find that voice quality is poor. How is voice quality on the Nexus One?
What good is Wifi? Is it that you can use that when available, not using up 3G bytes? Anything else?
TIA

Whoa, that's a lot of questions... I'll answer the least controversial first.
The microphone quality is very high. Due to the noise cancelling microphone on the back, your voice will come through very clean and crisp to whatever is on the other end.
What good is WiFi? Well it's WiFi, if you would prefer to use your home network instead of 3G, do it. Typically you'll save battery power if the access point is nearby since the WiFi chip will need to push less power to the antennas. And of course, no data will be monitored or billed through WiFi since it's not t-mobile's network.
As far as roms goes, I always recommend Cyanogen as the first mod since it's well known and has the largest community. Once you're comfortable with flashing new roms, go and experiment with the others.
Now here's the hard part, you seem to be very concerned about your privacy. You may not even want an android phone since a lot of your configuration, contacts, location, and other things are stored in the "google cloud". You won't be changing much by changing search engines.
So really, all of this discussion is moot if you don't want any of your information in the cloud.

If you want a phone to use as a dealer phone...this location tracking beast is not for you.
Kinda the same for all smartphones tho, meh. Can't hide anywhere these days.

The iPhone is no better in terms of account info and location tracking.
One thing I'd mention is that you would be surprised by how many apps in the app store from apple are tracking your location. Now I'd be willing to bet this is fairly innocuous and simply used for usage statistics. But everything from the maps app to NY Times to word games access your maps.
Android marketplace is very explicit about what information each app can and will have access to before you install it.
In terms of cloud storage and google knowing your info, any mobile device will be able to sync settings and info for any account you want to use on it. I wouldn't run around thinking iPhone is more secure just because it syncs your info through iTunes and not OTA.

Can you say paranoid? As far as I know, there isn't any custom ROM for people that are paranoid about being tracked for statistics.

petard said:
Can you say paranoid? As far as I know, there isn't any custom ROM for people that are paranoid about being tracked for statistics.
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Lmao yea this person seems very paranoid but for what? I don't see y. Like other posters have stated the iPhone is just as bad maybe even worse. Just Becuz Google can track your location doesn't mean its a bad thing. But the voice on this thing is great and clear. The WiFi I used is faster than my 3G so I connect whenever possible. Too many questions to answer each one
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This dude sounds like either a paranoid schizophrenic or a criminal. Either way he needs help, but not from the xda community. He doesn't even understand what WiFi is, and it's 2010 for ****'s sake! Also, wrong forum section. Mods, please move (or, preferably, delete) this thread.

Part Four said:
This dude sounds like either a paranoid schizophrenic or a criminal. Either way he needs help, but not from the xda community. He doesn't even understand what WiFi is, and it's 2010 for ****'s sake! Also, wrong forum section. Mods, please move (or, preferably, delete) this thread.
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Can you say 'oblivious'?
A couple of you are ignorant, willing to just hand over your 200 year old Constitutional rights for some meager security promised by The Machine. Tucked in sweetly at night, while you're robbed in your sleep of valuables you didn't even know you had. I'm not even bothering to discuss this issue further with those couple of uneducated serfs bent over for the corporatocracy.
I sure hope there are firmware developers with more sense than petard, xXJay_RXx, and especially Part Four. Spare me your inconsequential Jackass Judgmentalism.
In general I'll not be using the apps of that-search-engine-everybody-uses. Removing them forthwith, in favor of whatever GPL open-source apps there are available for various functions. Using self-contained nav software like CoPilot or TomTom. If I didn't need nav, it'd be Opie all the way.
I know what wifi is, Idiot. I am asking what use it is on a mobile in consideration of mobility and the security problems, as I used to be a cracker and know what can be done. My inference is that it can be used as a substitute for 3G at times to save data bandwidth, but I asked the question open-ended so as to not limit possible answers.
Has anyone here understood my questions besides damentz, joshlusignan, and knight4led. (Thanks so far BTW) Def agree about the iPhone. Had doubts about Android until I did some research.

DROID X Meid/Esn Repair

I hope no one gets mad, but this > < discussion should be here and made sticky for AT LEAST the droid x for further development and hacking. This should be only for educational purposes! All in all though, I feel that this topic would be more quickly busted or confirmed on this site. Please post ANY findings and/or results here. As you can see I have posted to this site the locations of ALL meid an pesn of the druid 2 global phone, but was unsuccessful at using these scripts to do anything to this phone. Thanks ppl and let's keep this thread going for the lifespan of the phone. All credit given whet credit is due, as you can see from the post. No stealing or hijacking intended. This is all I could find on Moto devices. Also have a Devour to test this on with a lil more skilled guidance.

Again? Really?
ESN changing is against the law in the country of which these forums are hosted. I'm going to assume this will be deleted before you even read my post.
There is no legal reason to 'repair' your MEID. Please move back to Howard Forums where they still seem to allow this type of discussion.

Just read forum rules.
I have just read the forum rules and it says nothing about not discussing maid/est repair. This is for educational purposes. And, if like me, changing these numbers is legal if you own both the donor (which in my case is broken) and the clone, and are not trying to sell the donor or clone, which would be invasion of privacy and fraud, then it is legal. I own both phones. My touch pro wont boot anymore and I own my droid 2 global, which is the one I want to write theses numbers to. I am not selling either. So why not learn more about these devices. I should be able to do what I want with my property. Take a look here, I googled this just for you and people like you. -> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud <- And as can see clearly I am doing nothing illegal. I wish people would stop saying that it is illegal. It scares people who just heard it somewhere else without doing their own research first. On with this discussion please mods.

I still don't understand what this is. I seen this posted on Howard, and was interested by the topic. I tried Googling but I came up short with any clear definitions.

narsciso said:
I still don't understand what this is. I seen this posted on Howard, and was interested by the topic. I tried Googling but I came up short with any clear definitions.
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The meid/esn is the phone-specific "serial" number that Verizon uses to identify your phone. If a phone is reported as lost or stolen to Verizon, the meid/esn gets blacklisted so that the phone cannot be activated (so if someone steals your phone or finds it on the street, they can't put it on their account).
This thread describes how to alter the meid/esn to something else, so it can be fixed/unblacklisted.

solcam said:
I have just read the forum rules and it says nothing about not discussing maid/est repair. This is for educational purposes. And, if like me, changing these numbers is legal if you own both the donor (which in my case is broken) and the clone, and are not trying to sell the donor or clone, which would be invasion of privacy and fraud, then it is legal. I own both phones. My touch pro wont boot anymore and I own my droid 2 global, which is the one I want to write theses numbers to. I am not selling either. So why not learn more about these devices. I should be able to do what I want with my property. Take a look here, I googled this just for you and people like you. -> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud <- And as can see clearly I am doing nothing illegal. I wish people would stop saying that it is illegal. It scares people who just heard it somewhere else without doing their own research first. On with this discussion please mods.
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Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What Is Cell Phone Cloning Fraud?
Every cell phone is supposed to have a unique factory-set electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN). A cloned cell phone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the ESN and MIN belonging to another (legitimate) cell phone. Unscrupulous people can obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the radio wave transmissions from the cell phones of legitimate subscribers. After cloning, both the legitimate and the fraudulent cell phones have the same ESN/MIN combination and cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cell phone from the legitimate one. The legitimate phone user then gets billed for the cloned phone’s calls. Call your carrier if you think you have been a victim of cloning fraud.
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What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.

A little help
Honestly I thought this thread would be closed a while back because every time i looked into this before threads would magically dissappear. But its still here so here is some help. The esn meid is only half the problem, the other half is the A-key, this key verifies your phone every time you make a phone call, wihout jt you will get a message that tells you your phone cannot be verified. After you manage to get that you need a username and password in order to achieve 3g access. That aside the reason your hexs dont match is because its ram and he meid will get moved around randomly after boot. Basically this means that you will need to find all addresses before your next reboot or the keys might move again. So not only is the hexes different from phone to phone it is also different from boot to boot. Another thing you are having issues wih is the meid returnin after each reboot. This only happens when you miss an meid. I have found that there are certain locations that have memory locks and will nkt let you map it. If you use the default settings for scanning you will miss meid locations. What you have to do is scan and after each map decrease the number smaller and closer to the memory lock until you find the exact location for thsat memory lock. Repeat for each lock until you have exact locations for every valid memory location. Then dump those locations and use a hex editor to calculate where each meid location is. Use another tool to directly modify each meid location to all 0s. After all locations for both esn and meid are 0ed then you can reboot. Oh forgot to mention one more thing he esn and meid are reverse inverted. Meaning an esn will be A00000123456 will be 56 34 12 00 00 A0 same with esn.
And yes i was being purposly vague. If you cant fill in the blanks you really shouldnt be atempting to do this. You can easily permanently brick your phone.

HacDan said:
Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.
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That isn't true, the hosting party can not be brought in as an accomplice you need to go get your facts straight. If the hosting agent said "Hey you should blow up a building with this bomb" then you are right. If they say "We are a library of knowledge" they can not.
It's all about intent. For this purpose it is about information, and information is power. There are a LOT more people trying to FIX their phones then trying to steal. There are many other valid and lawful uses as well, such as switching these verizon wireless phones to cricket or some other prepaid service (which is legal if you buy one of their pre-paid phones and use it as a donor phone).
People, please take your head out of your butt on this issue. It is not illegal, it is what you do with the information that makes it legal/illegal. If you are a crook you will get caught and do 5 years for screwing around with phones (moron). If you are not a crook and are looking to xfer service to a prepay or fix your phone then it's perfectly lawful.

ok here is my issue with this also. I am on metro and I have the eris flashed by them to talk and text. I received a droid a855 which I see fully flashed to metro everywhere for sale people talking about them anything of the sort. But I have flashed the prl and all info for metro but will they turn it on. NOPE they will not add the clean esn from my droid to their network at all. So I have been searching for how to do this also as I will scrap my eris for use as a testing and wifi only device and put its info on the droid and then put the eris sticker on it also. And the eris will be blank. But do you think I could get this to work right nope. I have found 4 total meid/esn locations and changed them with a few programs and also made sure they are right. and reflashed the file to the phone and nothing at all changed. I need help please. And to the legality of this I called a guy on craigslist and asked him to put my esn in metros data base and he said I have to have a account and he would change the esn and meid to match my metro phone that is on now?????? he had posted as to adding the esn not changing. And he is not the only one here doing this. I have skills in computers and phones but im just lost on the droid not taking the writes. Ok thanks and PM me if needed.

Preach! Free speech dies another slow death... Instead of commenting, help someone with a cellular issue... Pay it forward = mankind advances by helping one another
HacDan said:
Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.
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This is very help fully I wish I knew this when I got my phone because it was 9pm est and I was not a authorized user on my parents account and my grandmother is on the otherwise of the country and I had to wait a whole day to activate the phone and if I would of known about this I would of transferred my Omnia's meid over
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Sorry, but this stinks of legal technicalities.
Rule #9 is used in situations like these, and so I'll have to close the thread.
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
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New Update

There is an ota update of 142.00mb, Im trying to download it and I keep getting error. it reboots into recovery and says 25% then it boots into main phone, then it says install update was unsuccessful. Any ideas? I did have my phone rooted it before, the method I used was threw the app store.

the_professor. said:
There is an ota update of 142.00mb, Im trying to download it and I keep getting error. it reboots into recovery and says 25% then it boots into main phone, then it says install update was unsuccessful. Any ideas? I did have my phone rooted it before, the method I used was threw the app store.
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Go here...http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s5/general/g900and3tong3keeprootota-zip-t2862299
Read trouble shooting

I dont want to root it again, i wanted to unroot it, i seem to be having alot of problems since I rooted .

the_professor. said:
I dont want to root it again, i wanted to unroot it, i seem to be having alot of problems since I rooted .
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You don't have to root, that's why I said read the trouble shooting in the op.

what is op? sorry

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what is op? sorry
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Opening post or sometimes Original poster.

I've been getting a notification about an update that I repeatedly decline. About 15 min ago it was forced to my phone but failed. What I mean by forced is I had no option to decline/remind me later. Now my biggest issue with that is how do they know or why do they think I'm not using my phone to handle important business? That is what aggravated me the most. Assuming I want the update, and attempting to force it on my phone. I'm pissed for real for the first time with AT&T.

Assassyn said:
I've been getting a notification about an update that I repeatedly decline. About 15 min ago it was forced to my phone but failed. What I mean by forced is I had no option to decline/remind me later. Now my biggest issue with that is how do they know or why do they think I'm not using my phone to handle important business? That is what aggravated me the most. Assuming I want the update, and attempting to force it on my phone. I'm pissed for real for the first time with AT&T.
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Short answer - they don't care. Their interest in maintaining residual control over your property is more important to them than whatever you want to do with your property.

Assassyn said:
I've been getting a notification about an update that I repeatedly decline. About 15 min ago it was forced to my phone but failed. What I mean by forced is I had no option to decline/remind me later. Now my biggest issue with that is how do they know or why do they think I'm not using my phone to handle important business? That is what aggravated me the most. Assuming I want the update, and attempting to force it on my phone. I'm pissed for real for the first time with AT&T.
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Not to defend any carrier but my guess is they felt it was an important enough update and had to be pushed to the phone after the repeated attempts were declined. I agree that this is not a proper practice and perhaps a call to executive services filing a complaint might help in the long run. But as the other 99% of owners that are not rooted or modified will probably just accept the update, they have little concern for the rooted community. One would hope that it was detecting a period of low activity?
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Short answer - they don't care. Their interest in maintaining residual control over your property is more important to them than whatever you want to do with your property.
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Ah..the old "my property" argument....well what rights you have to things you purchase are subjective. In most communities a homeowner cannot park a vehicle on his own grass, nor keep unregistered vehicles in his driveway unless covered, has to maintain the property...and thousands of other laws and ordinances telling them exactly what they can and cannot do to their owned "property." Cell phones are a communication device thus governed by communication laws allowing the carriers to tell you what you can and cannot do to your "property" for security and communication regulated reasons. The only way around those regulations forcing updates to you (to a certain degree) is to buy an unlocked device from independent sales outlets. Using a certain carrier will then add their restrictions to you in the TOS that you sign.

KennyG123 said:
Ah..the old "my property" argument....well what rights you have to things you purchase are subjective. In most communities a homeowner cannot park a vehicle on his own grass, nor keep unregistered vehicles in his driveway unless covered, has to maintain the property...and thousands of other laws and ordinances telling them exactly what they can and cannot do to their owned "property." Cell phones are a communication device thus governed by communication laws allowing the carriers to tell you what you can and cannot do to your "property" for security and communication regulated reasons. The only way around those regulations forcing updates to you (to a certain degree) is to buy an unlocked device from independent sales outlets. Using a certain carrier will then add their restrictions to you in the TOS that you sign.
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Although I understand what you are saying, and (being a homeowner) understand the realities of your post, I am uncertain as to the purpose in making the answer. Although my answer may be an old argument, that doesn't make it an erroneous argument. Their consideration for our interests begins and ends with our wallets. They couldn't care less about what we want to do with our communication equipment, whether bought from a certain carrier or an independent sales outlet. I'd venture to guess that their TOS isn't any different, regardless from where you obtain the property.
As far as there not being a way around their control, isn't that why this site exists? I thought what xda-developers was here for was to help people get the most out of their devices by providing a collaborative environment where people could share their experiences of creative use and exploration of said property without restriction by other entities?

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Although I understand what you are saying, and (being a homeowner) understand the realities of your post, I am uncertain as to the purpose in making the answer. Although my answer may be an old argument, that doesn't make it an erroneous argument. Their consideration for our interests begins and ends with our wallets. They couldn't care less about what we want to do with our communication equipment, whether bought from a certain carrier or an independent sales outlet. I'd venture to guess that their TOS isn't any different, regardless from where you obtain the property.
As far as there not being a way around their control, isn't that why this site exists? I thought what xda-developers was here for was to help people get the most out of their devices by providing a collaborative environment where people could share their experiences of creative use and exploration of said property without restriction by other entities?
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What you say is true...I was just trying to clarify the entitlement I see way too often regarding what people feel are their rights to do what they want with their "property." As a communication device it is not fully anyone's property until deactivated.
This site does exist to help members do more with their devices than intended by the carrier..however that comes with ramifications like voiding the warranty or violating TOS. There are many posts made by people thrown off of their carrier for tethering huge amounts of data. As for a way around their control...there are many methods available on this site to avoid updates. At the first sign of an unwanted updated the OP should have sought those methods out. I know...it was a surprise that it got forced on the device (though failing) without consent. I am sure there is some clause in the TOS allowing that. So I apologize if it seemed my post was directed at you..it was just to clarify this "property" idea that I see spouted way too often around this site. :good:

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Not to defend any carrier but my guess is they felt it was an important enough update and had to be pushed to the phone after the repeated attempts were declined. I agree that this is not a proper practice and perhaps a call to executive services filing a complaint might help in the long run. But as the other 99% of owners that are not rooted or modified will probably just accept the update, they have little concern for the rooted community. One would hope that it was detecting a period of low activity?
Ah..the old "my property" argument....well what rights you have to things you purchase are subjective. In most communities a homeowner cannot park a vehicle on his own grass, nor keep unregistered vehicles in his driveway unless covered, has to maintain the property...and thousands of other laws and ordinances telling them exactly what they can and cannot do to their owned "property." Cell phones are a communication device thus governed by communication laws allowing the carriers to tell you what you can and cannot do to your "property" for security and communication regulated reasons. The only way around those regulations forcing updates to you (to a certain degree) is to buy an unlocked device from independent sales outlets. Using a certain carrier will then add their restrictions to you in the TOS that you sign.
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I was able to get them to go away after freezing the updater apk file with Titanium BackUp. Haven't been bothered since. I think if it's that serious to where they need to force an update, they should at least tell us what the major concern is. Very likely that they won't but it's ok, I "fixed" it enough for my liking.

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I was able to get them to go away after freezing the updater apk file with Titanium BackUp. Haven't been bothered since. I think if it's that serious to where they need to force an update, they should at least tell us what the major concern is. Very likely that they won't but it's ok, I "fixed" it enough for my liking.
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Yes! Thankfully there is no shortage of information on this site on how to prevent OTA's and the annoying nags.

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Yes! Thankfully there is no shortage of information on this site on how to prevent OTA's and the annoying nags.
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I take my annoying nag out to dinner a couple times a month. Oops don't tell her I said that or I'll be building another doghouse. ????
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Unlimited tether no longer working?

Has anyone noticed unlimited tether mods/hacks no longer working? And actually counting against your monthly hotspot allotment?
This just started happening for me, using Darth stalker which has unlimited tether mod and happening to a friend with an iPhone using whatever their hack app is for unlimited tether.
Going to http://ma.t-mobile.com shows the information under detailed usage.
Right now I'm seeing 105mb of use for hotspot. Before that number didn't go up. Nothing has changed on my phone.
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I can only assume something has changed on tmobile side? But I personally don't know. Any input would be appreciated.
Fwiw I'm in the Dallas area.

Same problem here.

Same it still works but certain things are now being blocked I imagine tmobile is looking at packet headers due to our high usage remember the crackdown on illegal tethering and p2p that never came looks like it came. My pc still works and Netflix apps but things like hulu and crunchy roll and psn no longer work on Xbox one or ps4 for me. I've tried hard to beat it and cannot I also have a motorcycle x with a dun an which now acts the same.

If you are PAYING for unlimited tethering, and not getting it, contact Tmobile and tell them.
If you are STEALING unlimited data, and your thievery no longer works, we are happy you got busted..

Araltd said:
Has anyone noticed unlimited tether mods/hacks no longer working? And actually counting against your monthly hotspot allotment?
This just started happening for me, using Darth stalker which has unlimited tether mod and happening to a friend with an iPhone using whatever their hack app is for unlimited tether.
Going to http://ma.t-mobile.com shows the information under detailed usage.
Right now I'm seeing 105mb of use for hotspot. Before that number didn't go up. Nothing has changed on my phone.
I can only assume something has changed on tmobile side? But I personally don't know. Any input would be appreciated.
Fwiw I'm in the Dallas area.
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yes, they caught on to people from last month... im using FOXFI, others are using WIFI TETHER ROUTER...
and what happened this month, it used up my 3gb then stopped... then I started using FOXFI and then it started working again...
sometimes it works, and sometime it doesn't... :silly:

wase4711 said:
If you are PAYING for unlimited tethering, and not getting it, contact Tmobile and tell them.
If you are STEALING unlimited data, and your thievery no longer works, we are happy you got busted..
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LMAO! :laugh:
Classic statement there! Kudos... And btw, I'm not even tempted to "steal" their data since I get barely "Dial-up" speeds from 20yrs ago tech in my general area... :angel:

I hear ya man, I cant understand why people think its ok to steal data, and then complain about it now that tmobile is on to them..
I guess its ok for someone to break in their house, and steal their stuff, or siphon the gas out of their car, or tap into their electric meter and steal their power, and so on..
I know the day is coming when XDA will shut down these ridiculous threads of people bragging/complaining about their thievery..
I'm tired of paying more for my service because of the scumbags who steal data, and drive up prices for EVERYONE who actually PAYS for what they use..

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I hear ya man, I cant understand why people think its ok to steal data, and then complain about it now that tmobile is on to them..
I guess its ok for someone to break in their house, and steal their stuff, or siphon the gas out of their car, or tap into their electric meter and steal their power, and so on..
I know the day is coming when XDA will shut down these ridiculous threads of people bragging/complaining about their thievery..
I'm tired of paying more for my service because of the scumbags who steal data, and drive up prices for EVERYONE who actually PAYS for what they use..
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Good point. Hell, maybe they would be able to light up some more towers & afford to give me even some 3G data speed in my area if folks wouldn't steal 100GB+ a month.
Oh, I better stfu. I only seem to create enemies these days.
But anyhoo... :highfive:

you'll never create an enemy by supporting doing what is right; think about the millions of TB that are stolen every month by people, and think about how it affects people like you, who don't get network upgrades you need and deserve, and everyone else, who's cost of service and products go up because of the scumbags who steal data.
and then they come to xda, to brag about how much they stole this month, and fret about the fact that maybe their days of stealing data are over..and, blatantly ask others if they know of any way they can continue to steal and not pay for what they use..
unbelievable..

Wow lots of insults and accusations being flung around in this thread, quite unnecessarily I might add.
I PAY for UNLIMITED on 4 lines, I didn't ask how to steal anything.
But if you guys feel better by increasing your post count and insulting others, by all means... Keep "contributing" your extremely useful comments, it truly helps everyone reading.

From the Moderator
To all in this thread...... XDA does not condone any form of activity that is against the law.
That said, for those whose hacks no longer work, T-mobile is on the hacks you are using and adjusting accordingly
When the member posted this "
"If you are PAYING for unlimited tethering, and not getting it, contact T-mobile and tell them.
If you are STEALING unlimited data, and your thievery no longer works," what should come after this comment
..... well what did you expect ? a carrier allowing anyone to continue to exploit a bug in their system ? ...... fat chance on that they closed it.
So, no whining, no complaining....... and to the people who take issue with this ..... no trolling....... that kind of behavior does not help, just causes a flame war.
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They seem to be working on this issue in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2914057

WRONG!!!!!!! T-MOBILE is the THIEF!
I am just going to say that carriers are ripping people off by charging them extra and telling them how to use their data. I pay for unlimited data and it is not the business of T-mobile if I use it to watch netflix all day on my phone, or if I use the data to tether to my PC. The bottom line is it does not matter how I am using my data as the same amount of data is still being used. Carriers trying to manipulate how I use my data is unethical and is in my opinion a violation of net neutrality. If anyone is stealing it is the mobile carriers not the consumer who pays a very large bill that in turn allows the carriers to make obscene profits.

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I am just going to say that carriers are ripping people off by charging them extra and telling them how to use their data. I pay for unlimited data and it is not the business of T-mobile if I use it to watch netflix all day on my phone, or if I use the data to tether to my PC. The bottom line is it does not matter how I am using my data as the same amount of data is still being used. Carriers trying to manipulate how I use my data is unethical and is in my opinion a violation of net neutrality. If anyone is stealing it is the mobile carriers not the consumer who pays a very large bill that in turn allows the carriers to make obscene profits.
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amen. no matter how data gets used it's data that has been paid for. hence unlimited data. Arguments otherwise is like paying for home internet service and was allowed only to use it on one pc in the house. that would be thievery.
hence xda doesnt ban these post but the quality of peoples post are poor.

Geez nothing new here. T-Mobile is one of few carriers who offered unlimited data when other carriers changed their tune, Verizon anyone?
I have unlimited data and I use it but I haven't used it to tether anything since I have WiFi at home. The whole scene has been broken since ICS/JB update
However I do have the additional 5GB HotSpot that comes with my plan for each phone so I cant complain. Plus the ones who I thought would use the most data do not. SO I may got to the 4 lines for a $100 and call it a day.
But flaming people...that's dumb. If you don't like whats going on, why come in the thread in the first place.
I have to admit, t-mobiles $50 unlimted plan works a lot better and with 5GB for the hotspot included it's really a good deal.

Been with T-Mobile for 8yrs+, have unlimited everything, love it. T-Mobile is probably the only Carrier that offers this kind of plan for such a great price. I even pay for a tethering plan just so if I need it it's there. The day these plans are no longer available will suck. I get sick speeds and love it, couldn't be happier. Live in a suburb outside of Boston and T-Mobile just keeps improving the signal strength. Thank You T-Mobile, Thank You John Legere.

monkeyass408 said:
Arguments otherwise is like paying for home internet service and was allowed only to use it on one pc in the house.
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I've been with VoiceStream/T-mobile for over 14 years. 4 lines, unlimited everything. Been through several rate plans, we all use to have the $2.99 T-zones plan with 30 MMS messages and unlimited data (or however it was structured back then). Now I'm paying for 4 lines, payments on 4 new phones, and after 14 years I don't plan on switching anytime soon. UNLIMITED DATA IS UNLIMITED DATA.
The quote above is here because a provider dictating HOW a consumer who pay's for services, uses said service is wrong - and plain and simple - it's a way for them to charge you even more for what you are already paying for. Imagine this, you have Cable modem/DSL/home internet - and them telling you, you can't use it on your mobile phone over wifi. This is essentially the same thing in reverse. I can have unlimited data (WHICH I PAY FOR 4X) but only on my PHONE not on my TABLET/LAPTOP/PC... ???
I would like to clarify 1 thing, my OP was/is an attempt to see if something has gone wrong with my ROM/settings/etc --- NOTHING MORE.
Thanks for everyone's contribution to this thread.

you guys obviously never bothered to read the TOS that you signed when you got the service.. Read what is says about tethering to other devices...
Here is a direct quote from a member of their team..
A very small number of our customers are misusing their Simple Choice Unlimited data service in violation of their rate plan and terms and conditions by bypassing the default tethering feature or engaging in peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing. This type of usage can negatively impact our ability to offer affordable unlimited data. In order to protect all T-Mobile customers, we will be reaching out to these people to educate them on our terms and conditions of service, but if the misuse continues, they could have their data speeds reduced for the remainder of their billing cycle, or have additional measures taken against them
You are violating your rate plan if you bypass the default tethering procedure
Like it or not, thats part of their terms of service that you signed off on..