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Help make GV/MyFaves piggy backing legit

http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
The post for those too lazy to go and read it
Currently there is a way to add your google voice number to MyFaves and avoid using any minutes for almost any call.
I don't know if this is "Working as intended" or is an unplaned gaff....
Let me tell you why T-Mobile should not only let this happen, but encourage this.
I have a G1, cheapest plans possible. my bill is around 60 bucks a month...
If this MyFaves/GV trick became something i could count on here are the actions i will take with out question.
I will Buy my wife the MyTouch (canceling her current Virgin Mobile pay as u go plan)
I will change my calling plan to a "MyFaves" famlie plan
I will have unlimmited data plans on both phones.
I will cancle my current home phone (Vonage)
My T-mobile monthly bill will go from $60 a month to over $125, and it will become my and my wife's main phone lines.
Also with work/friends i am the known "Android hacker" and people listen to me...
When i tell people about this possiblity they get excited and want in on it.
T-Mobile... be the "Data Pipe" Google wants you to be, you will gain subscribers
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ekeefe41 said:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.

jashsu said:
Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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I couldn't have said this all better myself.
To OP: Be happy with the loophole you have now. Make this mainstream and you'll see the loophole closed up nice and quick.

Here is the thing...
I personally will not do the things in my post unless i can confirm it is something i can rely on.
scenario
I buy a 2nd phone for the wife
I cancel my home (Vonage) phone line
I then begin to rely on this piggy backing as a part of my monthly finances...
BOOM
T-mobile closes the loophole.
I am stuck with an extra phone/Plan that i can't get out of....
My bill goes through the roof because these phones are now our only voice option.
Until i get a confirmation from T-Mobile i will push the issue...
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.

ekeefe41 said:
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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Haha. I like your attitude!
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
It seems to me that what you need to get is one of those truly unlimited in-region calling (I think MetroPCS has something like that? Also T-Mo has the Unlimited Loyalty Plan.) You can be assured that you'll be billed a flat monthly rate that way regardless of your usage and regardless of whether or not you are routing through GV.

I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.

jashsu said:
Haha. I like your attitude!
Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.

uberingram said:
I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Please explain your self.
If i am going to agree to additional contracts, i need to know the scope of what is allowed and what is not for my own protection.

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Please explain your self.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.

ekeefe41 said:
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.

uberingram said:
1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
But thanks for trying to be insulting.
I have been using GV for almost a week now, no 8 minute, no bugs.
The service has been good enough that i am considering major changes to my service providers. A change that would give me more functionality at almost the same cost...
I am not sure i fully grasp your hostility.
Any contract i am involved with i like to know everything i can.
If that is strange to you... well that's your issue.

ekeefe41 said:
The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?

jashsu said:
I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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I suppose it is less a petition, and more of a wish for clarification.
I know for a fact that google would like ISP's and Tel-Co to be more like a "Pipe" for data. With Google controlling as much content as they can (for advertisement $$)
This Google Voice product is a perfect example of this coming to fruition.
All you need is one TelCo jumping on board and prices come down for everyone.
Thank you for calling my post "whiny"... i was trying to make a point. I must have done a poor job.

ekeefe41 said:
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.

jashsu said:
I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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ha ha ha!
I have like a "Quiz" day with her every once in a while.. aka, if i died could you access our bank accounts.
She Fails on a regular basis.
She does not have access to this stuff by my choice, in fact i have given it to her multiple times, multiple ways for her to remember.
She wants nothing to do with it.
It's not that i am a control freak... it's that she is lazy and does not want to concern her self with this stuff.
But yea, we have spiraled way too far in to my personal life, hehe

brandenk said:
That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I am asking people to bump the thread in the t-mobile thread... if they like the idea of this piggybacking.
I myself, for the way i treat bills and contracts, need specific clarification so i will keep pushing regardless.
If you don't agree, then don't bump the t-Mobile thread.

Ugg.... never mind.
It looks like it is official a bug (not intended)
http://devin.reams.me/free-google-voice-calls-with-t-mobile-myfaves/
UPDATE: as mentioned by Josiah in the comments, this violates this statement on T-Mobile’s website: “Your five numbers must be US domestic numbers and must not include … customers’ own numbers; and single numbers allowing access to 500 or more persons.”
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aad4321 said:
yeah but because you wont have free incoming you will have to set the gv number to show on an incoming call and add it to the fav5. long story short u will not know who i calling you unless you have that stupid press 1 to accept thing.
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That would be the big limitation
But with google voice you can listen in on the message before you pick up

yea this needs a lot of clearing up....gvoice isnt widely available

UMA
ekeefe41 said:
Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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why dont you get a UMA phone form T-mobile, for a few bucks a month and drop your Vonage right there saves u about 25$

Developer Firmware - Privacy Concerns

Just talked to TMobile, and as I said I'm thinking about abandoning them for the iPhone they credited me $100 toward the Nexus One. (my plan all along) I am now on a Loyalty unlimited talk plan with 300 texts ($50), and with the Nexus I'd add web for another $20. If I buy the phone outright this would save $600 over 2 years compared with the iPhone.
HOWEVER, I am concerned that Google has their tentacles all throughout the OS, and I want to take all measures to stop that. I particularly don't like their search query tracking (I use ixquick) and their nav app, as their privacy policies are atrocious.
I guess installing a dev-modified firmware would void the warranty? Does the bootloader need to be modified? What else?
Where is the best place to find a selection of firmwares? How about open-source apps? What else would be handy?
I hear that HTC has some sort of 'phone home' function. How to neuter that?
I have a friend with a Droid, and was surprised to find that voice quality is poor. How is voice quality on the Nexus One?
What good is Wifi? Is it that you can use that when available, not using up 3G bytes? Anything else?
TIA

Whoa, that's a lot of questions... I'll answer the least controversial first.
The microphone quality is very high. Due to the noise cancelling microphone on the back, your voice will come through very clean and crisp to whatever is on the other end.
What good is WiFi? Well it's WiFi, if you would prefer to use your home network instead of 3G, do it. Typically you'll save battery power if the access point is nearby since the WiFi chip will need to push less power to the antennas. And of course, no data will be monitored or billed through WiFi since it's not t-mobile's network.
As far as roms goes, I always recommend Cyanogen as the first mod since it's well known and has the largest community. Once you're comfortable with flashing new roms, go and experiment with the others.
Now here's the hard part, you seem to be very concerned about your privacy. You may not even want an android phone since a lot of your configuration, contacts, location, and other things are stored in the "google cloud". You won't be changing much by changing search engines.
So really, all of this discussion is moot if you don't want any of your information in the cloud.

If you want a phone to use as a dealer phone...this location tracking beast is not for you.
Kinda the same for all smartphones tho, meh. Can't hide anywhere these days.

The iPhone is no better in terms of account info and location tracking.
One thing I'd mention is that you would be surprised by how many apps in the app store from apple are tracking your location. Now I'd be willing to bet this is fairly innocuous and simply used for usage statistics. But everything from the maps app to NY Times to word games access your maps.
Android marketplace is very explicit about what information each app can and will have access to before you install it.
In terms of cloud storage and google knowing your info, any mobile device will be able to sync settings and info for any account you want to use on it. I wouldn't run around thinking iPhone is more secure just because it syncs your info through iTunes and not OTA.

Can you say paranoid? As far as I know, there isn't any custom ROM for people that are paranoid about being tracked for statistics.

petard said:
Can you say paranoid? As far as I know, there isn't any custom ROM for people that are paranoid about being tracked for statistics.
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Lmao yea this person seems very paranoid but for what? I don't see y. Like other posters have stated the iPhone is just as bad maybe even worse. Just Becuz Google can track your location doesn't mean its a bad thing. But the voice on this thing is great and clear. The WiFi I used is faster than my 3G so I connect whenever possible. Too many questions to answer each one
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This dude sounds like either a paranoid schizophrenic or a criminal. Either way he needs help, but not from the xda community. He doesn't even understand what WiFi is, and it's 2010 for ****'s sake! Also, wrong forum section. Mods, please move (or, preferably, delete) this thread.

Part Four said:
This dude sounds like either a paranoid schizophrenic or a criminal. Either way he needs help, but not from the xda community. He doesn't even understand what WiFi is, and it's 2010 for ****'s sake! Also, wrong forum section. Mods, please move (or, preferably, delete) this thread.
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Can you say 'oblivious'?
A couple of you are ignorant, willing to just hand over your 200 year old Constitutional rights for some meager security promised by The Machine. Tucked in sweetly at night, while you're robbed in your sleep of valuables you didn't even know you had. I'm not even bothering to discuss this issue further with those couple of uneducated serfs bent over for the corporatocracy.
I sure hope there are firmware developers with more sense than petard, xXJay_RXx, and especially Part Four. Spare me your inconsequential Jackass Judgmentalism.
In general I'll not be using the apps of that-search-engine-everybody-uses. Removing them forthwith, in favor of whatever GPL open-source apps there are available for various functions. Using self-contained nav software like CoPilot or TomTom. If I didn't need nav, it'd be Opie all the way.
I know what wifi is, Idiot. I am asking what use it is on a mobile in consideration of mobility and the security problems, as I used to be a cracker and know what can be done. My inference is that it can be used as a substitute for 3G at times to save data bandwidth, but I asked the question open-ended so as to not limit possible answers.
Has anyone here understood my questions besides damentz, joshlusignan, and knight4led. (Thanks so far BTW) Def agree about the iPhone. Had doubts about Android until I did some research.

Usage based billing for Canadian internet

So i'm not sure how many canadian users we have here, but basically canada is officially screwed for internet access as of march 1'st. The CRTC (canadian regulatory body) has ruled that bell(large incumbent) has the right to force indie ISP's to offer the same packages/price they offer while allowing metered internet billing. Packages start at 25gb's per/month, throttled as well as charging overage fees ranging from 2-4 dollars p/gig.
If you guys can help spread the word of this travesty of a ruling I would personally appreciate it. I dont post much on these forums and as such it wont let me put up a post with links, but if you google canada ubb and such or strombo ubb on youtube it will be easier to see what im talking about.
-Matt

Many of us who get service through smaller ISPs who bulk-buy bandwidth from Bell were really shocked this weekend when our monthly caps dropped to 25G per month. (Mine had previously been 200G) Rogers is following with caps later this spring.
At my own ISP, 50% of 30,000 subscribers regularly exceed that 25G cap. This has meant a weekend of figuring out what the new bill will be (about $100 per month for anyone who does even a marginal amount of downloading/P2P/streaming/gaming). But moreover, it has really forced many households to reconsider how they use the Internet. In my own (where our typical use is about 70G per month) it is now going to pretty well be ruled out for anything but serious research, email, web browsing. Traffic monitors and script blockers went on every machine in the house this weekend as a first step, with router monitoring as soon as I can figure it out.

no more internet for u haha ...
time to get that high-gain antennae from ebay and go yogi bearin' in your neighborhood

Sounds like its time to go packet hunting.
souljaboy said:
no more internet for u haha ...
time to get that high-gain antennae from ebay and go yogi bearin' in your neighborhood
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how come you are surviving in canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coldskiesfullofblue said:
Sounds like its time to go packet hunting.
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I love aircrack-ng.

cajunflavoredbob said:
I love aircrack-ng.
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lol and after ur done with that , be sure to download blu ray movies 24/7
who needs 200mb a month what would prolly go unnoticed ??? give em hell and possibly urself a lawsuit

just an update, our canadian government is shutting this down. The CRTC said they want to review the decision, the government has said regardless of what they do any form of UBB will be shut down.
The head of the CRTC was also called before an industry committee and it is scary how inept he is. He has no concept of how the internet works, and he is setting digital policy for this country.
If you'd like to see him getting grilled its here
edit; is there anyway to get a mod to allow me to post links? I have no intention of spamming these forums.

mattp2182 said:
just an update, our canadian government is shutting this down. The CRTC said they want to review the decision, the government has said regardless of what they do any form of UBB will be shut down.
The head of the CRTC was also called before an industry committee and it is scary how inept he is. He has no concept of how the internet works, and he is setting digital policy for this country.
If you'd like to see him getting grilled its here
edit; is there anyway to get a mod to allow me to post links? I have no intention of spamming these forums.
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just use the formula youtube[dot]com .. along those lines u should be able to do it

ah the problem is its not youtube, its from the government website which is quite a long string.
parlvu(dot)parl(dot)gc(dot)ca/ParlVu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=7245
hey it worked, thanks souljaboy

mattp2182 said:
ah the problem is its not youtube, its from the government website which is quite a long string.
http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=7245
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You get link-posting privileges once you hit 15 posts or something around there. It has nothing to do with mod approval, regardless of what the error messages tell you. You could also simply add a space or two in the links. That's what most people do.

man that website looks scary ... so dark , complicated and unfriendly

[Q] Tmobile Modem 3G & Calling

Hello i installed the roto modem switcher and i need help to keep it from going to the tmobile.com site on 3g.
i know someone said that i might have to delete the efs folder so that redirected in the browser to my.t-mobile. Please help..

omgomgomgogmogmomgomg how many times am I going to see this question god dammit! Nobody here will be able to help you with that outside of a PM. The instructions were here at one point but they have been removed due to the illegality of the process.

scottprotege said:
omgomgomgogmogmomgomg how many times am I going to see this question god dammit! Nobody here will be able to help you with that outside of a PM. The instructions were here at one point but they have been removed due to the illegality of the process.
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I dont understand how it is illegal? Aren't we allowed to alter our phones in anyways we want since it is our property? Its not messing with anyone else, its just allowing us to use what we are paying for.
PM me and I will explain how to stop it from redirecting.

Maybe you need to remove the tab from your ass and learn some manners.
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lhamptonjr said:
Maybe you need to remove the tab from your ass and learn some manners.
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Or you could pull your mouse out of your ass and learn to click on the search feature. This question has come up more times than the honeycomb issue. I just ran a search...ONE search
http://www.google.com/cse?q=tmobile...ub-2900107662879704:fs7umqefhnf&ie=ISO-8859-1
And the answer was in the FIRST result.
* EDIT * - Looking over your OP I see now that you even used the term redirect AND you knew about the EFS folder so please please please use the search feature next time

RevenG said:
I dont understand how it is illegal? Aren't we allowed to alter our phones in anyways we want since it is our property? Its not messing with anyone else, its just allowing us to use what we are paying for.
PM me and I will explain how to stop it from redirecting.
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Some people here were mentioning that to change your IMEI is actually illegal in some countries. I am not sure which countries this applies to.

In the US, according to a recent ruling, for the next two years you can modify your phone any way you like. The legality issue is regarding the iphone only, because you need to use pirated software to do the jailbreak. Not so for android. Just back upyour efs folder, then delete the original files, and you no longer go to the redirect site.
I agree, the amount of repeated questions is growing. People are losing patience with the lazy who don't try very much. It's taking a toll - I don't see a few prominent developers here anymore. Do your homework! Chances are, since you're getting to the game late, those new guy questions have already been answered.

Perhaps someone needs to read a contract on cell phone service. I am sure that it contains language prohibiting user to alter its identification on the network. IMEI is very similar to MAC assigned to every Ethernet network device. It allows to avoid clones on the network.
The cell phone number and IMEI are both identification codes but used in different layers of communication.
My guess that if number of clones would exceed tolerance level of some carrier it will introduce extra filtering and enforcement. Not sure that somebody would win in that case.

Adapt0r said:
Perhaps someone needs to read a contract on cell phone service. I am sure that it contains language prohibiting user to alter its identification on the network. IMEI is very similar to MAC assigned to every Ethernet network device. It allows to avoid clones on the network.
The cell phone number and IMEI are both identification codes but used in different layers of communication.
My guess that if number of clones would exceed tolerance level of some carrier it will introduce extra filtering and enforcement. Not sure that somebody would win in that case.
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I have no contract to read so you guys can post all the help you want. The most amazing thing happened to me. I bought tmobile tab on amazon with no contract.
Thank you rangercaptain for saying something useful.

-RioT- said:
I have no contract to read so you guys can post all the help you want. The most amazing thing happened to me. I bought tmobile tab on amazon with no contract.
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I haven't had a contract for years either.
The court ruled on something called fair use saying people can unlock a phone for any network, remove any restriction to add any apps from any source, on any network they please.
I have an unlimited data plan and t-mobile is creating a software limitation that keeps me from using what I paid for. BY LAW I am permitted to modify my phone so I get what I paid for.

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My guess that if number of clones would exceed tolerance level of some carrier it will introduce extra filtering and enforcement. Not sure that somebody would win in that case.
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I don't have a clone, and I pay for unlimited data. If I get cut-off, they are not keeping the agreement.
Besides, I'm not guessing, I read the law.

rangercaptain said:
I don't have a clone, and I pay for unlimited data. If I get cut-off, they are not keeping the agreement.
Besides, I'm not guessing, I read the law.
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Not for a Tab you don't. They don't sell an unlimited plan for it.
This is the TOS everyone abides to by using T-Mobiles service with or without a contract. It clearly states that a plan is to be used on the device it was added to and not any other equipment. Claiming the iphone ruling doesn't apply here since it had nothing to do with using a service. It was just hardware hacking related.
. * Data Plans and Other Features. You will be charged for data usage on a pay per use basis unless you are required to maintain a data plan (“Data Plan”) as part of your Service, or as otherwise provided by your Rate Plan or prepaid data pass. Permissible and Prohibited Uses: Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your Device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, using your Device as a modem or tethering your Device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted. Other examples of prohibited uses can be found in Section 17. Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers’ service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan

Yes I do. You don't know what agreement I have.
I had an unlimited blackberry plan, with international roaming, then I called customer service and told them I was switching to an android. They didn't sell me a device, only a plan, with no contract.
Anyway, that's not the point. If people want to enable 3g without the redirect they have to break something until T-Mobile changes.
I returned the t-mo tab and switched to at&t.

De-Google-ing my Note 9

Hi guys. I'm starting this thread in hopes of sparking a conversation and a concerted effort to rid ourselves as users from the clutches of Google and other big tech companies. I am sick and tired of Google tracking me and attempting to force feed me ads on a daily send constant basis. Then selling my info to other companies such as Facebook. So, I have started down the path of decluttering (De-Google-ing) my device(s). I am primarily interested in securing my device as much as possible and protecting my privacy.
So far, I have reformatted my entire device to factory default settings installed and using F-Droid (FOSS) for all my apps. I use Yandex as my search engine (I am often to suggestions and recommendations) in the "private browser" app. I use Aurora instead of Google Play store, New Pipe for YouTube-ing, Frost for Facebookingand SlimSocial for Twitter. I have stopped using Google keyboard and any other Google apps. I have abandoned gmail and replaced it with proton mail instead. So far, no ads and as far as I can tell, no tracking. I have also installed a VPN and am using it religiously—Cyber Ghost, a $99 for 3 years subscription with support up to 8 devices.
However, I am still very much connected to Samsung for I am not privy as to whether or not Samsung is as sinister as Google and Facebook.
Again, I am open to all suggestions, corrections and recommendations. Thank you and I hope to engage with you all.

leave it up to them yandex russians to protect your privacy.
but seriously. the most dangerous thing you can do is acctualy think that the steps you take are really making your life private.
vpns just channel the traffic to an other end point and does the queries for you then sends the data encrypted to you.
the queries are still made on the www. account info and all things you store or access online is still accessible by the www. vpn companies just fool you into thinking that the data being relayed to you is the only weak link. plus the free ones mine your data.
best thing you can do is not use social media. its made to invade your privacy. its designed to fool you into giving as much of your personal life info as possible and sell your habits to add companies so they can in turn send you quatered adds.
the minute you use the internet you void your privacy regardless of how you think the measures you take are working or effective. and what are you going to do about the 100 and 1000's of companies being hacked and their data mined and sold every month? you cant do anything about that. plus its much better for hackers to get their info from a big company because you get much more than just 1 dude that does his banking online and chat every now and then.there is no money to be made from 1 individual.
if you think people are specifically after you, you are gravely being fooled by the vpn ad campaigns that have been poping up everywhere about "privacy".( they must hide the fact that they also get hacked very well.its just that the media hasint picked up on it yet)
anyways who want to waste time on an end user/device?
when again you just need to hack equifax like a few years back and you get the motherload instead.
all in all I've abandoned the thought of real privacy. its futile.( even abstinents dosen't work because companies and governments don't secure customer data correctly. and unfortunately if you are born, you must be branded and labeled and filed away.)
live your life. just know that what ever you do you can't escape big brother and your data from being leaked by the big companies that say that it is secured with them.
the whole infrastructure relies on them companies and the habits we have been embraining ourselves and our children with is the problem.. we live our lives intertwined with the services and devices that we take for granted and have clicked next next next through polices and consent forms for over 25 years now whithout even giving it a second though. we're in over our heads now and it is a little late to back out. this was al dine by design and all voluntarily. its crazy how marketing is evil.
a cabin in the woods is the easiest and most secure thing one can do. anything shy of that is a waste of time and a false feeling of privacy.
anyways I'm going around in circles now.
one thing for sure is that the criminals we think that we need cover from are not who we think they are.
they are the FCC dealing with big telcos, they are the big media giants spewing false information and fabricates facts. they are in our governments in the highest ranks pushing hidden agendas and most of all they are the big social media platforms remodeling our society each day under our noses at our expense.
but hey this is not new. the internet police is just tring to make you think it is and spend 9.99$ a month for a vpn lol
good luck.

I just stopped using as many Google apps as I can and switched over to MS Office apps and use Samsung services where I can too...

bober10113 said:
leave it up to them yandex russians to protect your privacy.
but seriously. the most dangerous thing you can do is acctualy think that the steps you take are really making your life private.
vpns just channel the traffic to an other end point and does the queries for you then sends the data encrypted to you.
the queries are still made on the www. account info and all things you store or access online is still accessible by the www. vpn companies just fool you into thinking that the data being relayed to you is the only weak link. plus the free ones mine your data.
best thing you can do is not use social media. its made to invade your privacy. its designed to fool you into giving as much of your personal life info as possible and sell your habits to add companies so they can in turn send you quatered adds.
the minute you use the internet you void your privacy regardless of how you think the measures you take are working or effective. and what are you going to do about the 100 and 1000's of companies being hacked and their data mined and sold every month? you cant do anything about that. plus its much better for hackers to get their info from a big company because you get much more than just 1 dude that does his banking online and chat every now and then.there is no money to be made from 1 individual.
if you think people are specifically after you, you are gravely being fooled by the vpn ad campaigns that have been poping up everywhere about "privacy".( they must hide the fact that they also get hacked very well.its just that the media hasint picked up on it yet)
anyways who want to waste time on an end user/device?
when again you just need to hack equifax like a few years back and you get the motherload instead.
all in all I've abandoned the thought of real privacy. its futile.( even abstinents dosen't work because companies and governments don't secure customer data correctly. and unfortunately if you are born, you must be branded and labeled and filed away.)
live your life. just know that what ever you do you can't escape big brother and your data from being leaked by the big companies that say that it is secured with them.
the whole infrascturuce relies on them companies and the habits we have been embraining ourselves and our children with is the problem.. we live our lives intertwined with the services and devices that we take for granted and have clicked next next next through polices and consent forms for over 25 years now whithout even giving it a second though. we're in over our heads now and it is a little late to back out. this was al dine by design and all voluntarily. its crazy how marketing is evil.
a cabin in the woods is the easiest and most secure thing one can do. anything shy of that is a waste of time and a false feeling of privacy.
anyways I'm going around in circles now.
one thing for sure is that the criminals we think that we need cover from are not who we think they are.
they are the FCC dealing with big telcos, they are the big media giants spewing false information and fabricates facts. they are in our governments in the highest ranks pushing hidden agendas and most of all they are the big social media platforms remodeling our society each day under our noses at our expense.
but hey this is not new. the internet police is just tring to make you think it is and spend 9.99$ a month for a vpn lol
good luck.
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Oy vey! Thank you very much for yor contribution. It is very much appreciated and I see what you are saying.

AndroidUser00110001 said:
I just stopped using as many Google apps as I can and switched over to MS Office apps and use Samsung services where I can too...
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How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?

Nonetheless, what are some good and viable alternatives to Google and optimally "securing" one's device (taking everything bober10113 has said).

michel5891 said:
How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?
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Like the other poster said, I gave up on worrying about privacy. I made the switch for other reasons and privacy was down on the list...
I just do not like what Goolge has been doing lately, especially blocking ad blockers soon in Chrome so I switched to MS Edge on Android and the Chromium version of Edge for desktop and the rest of the apps just followed through. I am seeing how the switch works for myself and if all goes well I will switch back to MS for the small company I work for.
I gave up on Gmail, Google Drive and all their office apps so far and I stopped using Nexus/Pixel phones for the first time in 10 years. I started with the S9+ which I enjoyed for a couple of months and then got a Note9 during a holiday special and now I cannot wait for the Note10.
Privacy is what it is nowadays... We should all own our data and if we choose to let be used as companies are doing now then we should get a slice of all the money being made but I doubt it will ever get to be something like that.

michel5891 said:
How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?
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I wouldn't think that they are any better than Google's. Majority of the companies out there that are international had to adhere to the EU rules of privacy, so a lot of them have adopted those standards. NOT ALL OF THEM. That's why all of a sudden you are getting new agreements from all the major companies that touch each section of land on the world.
I still don't trust any of them even to that point.
This is morbid. I have been thinking a lot more about death, debt, privacy and such, and I have come to the conclusion that I honestly don't care about my own anymore because it has been stolen, including my wife's. Future children though, I worry about them because you don't even have to mention their name on the internet and somehow every major company knows about them.
Ever had a conversation with someone without actually looking something up on the web, and then a day or two later Google and other ads start showing things concerning what you were talking about to someone in person? Yeah, it has happened to me numerous times now I can't even count anymore.

Jammol said:
Ever had a conversation with someone without actually looking something up on the web, and then a day or two later Google and other ads start showing things concerning what you were talking about to someone in person? Yeah, it has happened to me numerous times now I can't even count anymore.
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YES!!! I noticed this a few months ago. My wife and I were talking about some random subject and BAM there it was in my Google discovery feed.
I mentioned that to her and she thought I was crazy until it happened again.
My friend was over last week, he mentioned something about a car he is fixing up and once again in my Google feed...
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I am not going to go as far as saying they are listening because my wife did say she looked up what we were talking about later on that day on her phone so I am guessing it is more GPS based then Google listening to give them the benefit of doubt for now. I need to ask my friend if he searched anything while here...

You want to De-Google your phone? Sell it and don't get an Android phone. Don't get an iPhone, either. In fact, get one of those huge car phones from the 80s. I can't add really anything that hasn't been said, other than some slight humor, but again, if you want privacy, stay off the internet.

AndroidUser00110001 said:
YES!!! I noticed this a few months ago. My wife and I were talking about some random subject and BAM there it was in my Google discovery feed.
I mentioned that to her and she thought I was crazy until it happened again.
My friend was over last week, he mentioned something about a car he is fixing up and once again in my Google feed...
*EDIT*
I am not going to go as far as saying they are listening because my wife did say she looked up what we were talking about later on that day on her phone so I am guessing it is more GPS based then Google listening to give them the benefit of doubt for now. I need to ask my friend if he searched anything while here...
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This is what I'm trying to prevent. Exactly the same thing had happened to me. We were simply discussing an AC unit; never looked it up or mentioned the name of it and the exact make and model in the room we were in showed up.

michel5891 said:
This is what I'm trying to prevent. Exactly the same thing had happened to me. We were simply discussing an AC unit; never looked it up or mentioned the name of it and the exact make and model in the room we were in showed up.
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Yeah it's super duper creepy. Funny thing is since I refreshed my Note 9 up to PIE, I haven't given assistant or google search any permission to use my microphone and I don't even have them setup!

this might help:
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6030020?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
turn voice activity off. also check your history to see if it has any recording...