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i did some testing on the browsers skyfire and opera mobile just to see which browser has the faster loading speed. here are the results:
to google.com
opera
-loading time
4.28 seconds
-zoom (to clarity or read ability)
1.91 seconds
skyfire
-loading time
1.99 seconds
-zoom
less than 1.00 second (couldn't hit the stop watch button fast enough)
to forum.xda-developers.com
opera
-loading time
1 minute 15.90 seconds
-zoom
2.66 seconds
skyfire
-loading time
20.37 seconds
-zoom
2.69 seconds
i have noticed that on a slower network opera dose give a better experience in zooming but skyfire still takes the cake in loading times. all of these tests were done with the phone in the exact same place it was not touched by any person or object at any point during testing to ensure no outside forces influencing a certain outcome. if you have any questions just post them on the forum
akawings said:
i have noticed that on a slower network opera dose give a better experience in zooming but skyfire still takes the cake in loading times
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I don't get why people compare loading times between Skyfire and Opera Mobile. and are shocked that Skyfire is always faster. Skyfire uses server side rendering so it's always going to load the webpages faster then Opera Mobile which does not use any type of server side rendering (that could change though)
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You should also compare display quality, Opera is rendering webpages in full 640x480 while skyfire only in 320x240 (becouse of server side rendering).
Since the usability/configuration of Opera is 5x as developed as Skyfire why not use both? I only use Skyfire when I cant get my sports picks in or want to play some flash games..
norkoastal said:
Since the usability/configuration of Opera is 5x as developed as Skyfire why not use both? I only use Skyfire when I cant get my sports picks in or want to play some flash games..
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That's pretty much what I do, I use Opera Mobile (or Mini) for most of my browsing, if I want to watch some flash video, like hulu, I use Skyfire.
I wish the skyfire provided the real vga instead of blown up 320.240.
Now that Iris is relatively stable (Latest release hasn't crashed/locked on me yet) why not take a peek at that?
In my opinion, it's the best one out there. Sure, SkyFire has its uses with the off-machine rendering (like flash heavy sites) but, really, Iris is top-notch. It will be interesting to see if Fennec is close.
ekruse said:
Now that Iris is relatively stable (Latest release hasn't crashed/locked on me yet) why not take a peek at that?
In my opinion, it's the best one out there. Sure, SkyFire has its uses with the off-machine rendering (like flash heavy sites) but, really, Iris is top-notch. It will be interesting to see if Fennec is close.
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I've been quite impressed with Iris so far, web kit was made for mobile devices IMO. The only thing I wish they would work on is the overall UI is a bit akward, but they probably wanted to get the rendering issues fixed first then work on the UI.
why compare both browsers?
opera better for general nav and skyfire mainly for flash.
opera can't play some flash video players like skyfire's yet
Just got the NC. Why does it only pull the mobile web pages if they are available, such as Yahoo? Is this a glitch, or is a setting wrong on the NC?
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Because it's a mobile device...?
There's a UA faker in a 3rd party browser, but I can't remember which.
it swaps for me... like it reads normally for my blog dispite everything else being mobile... but the rest is usually mobile
Do other tablets do this?
Neither my T-Mobile G1 nor my current HD2 ever pulled/pulls mobile web pages.
Does the iPad do this too? Or the Huawei S7? Just curious...
I bought the NC primarily for web browsing, and playing videos. So far, vids are great (plays the two Transformers vids included with the HD2 like a dream, but lousy audio from built-in speaker, average from headphones/earbuds) but surfing is a tad sluggish (10 Mbit broadband).
Should I wait for either a cooked rom or possible fw updates from B&N? Or just keep shopping - I don't need telco capability, just wifi.
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Shootr2 said:
Neither my T-Mobile G1 nor my current HD2 ever pulled/pulls mobile web pages.
Does the iPad do this too? Or the Huawei S7? Just curious...
I bought the NC primarily for web browsing, and playing videos. So far, vids are great (plays the two Transformers vids included with the HD2 like a dream, but lousy audio from built-in speaker, average from headphones/earbuds) but surfing is a tad sluggish (10 Mbit broadband).
Should I wait for either a cooked rom or possible fw updates from B&N? Or just keep shopping - I don't need telco capability, just wifi.
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the other tablet I was reviewing out of boredom did that.
If you are using Dolphin HD, you can set the browser to Desktop.
Shootr2 said:
Neither my T-Mobile G1 nor my current HD2 ever pulled/pulls mobile web pages.
Does the iPad do this too? Or the Huawei S7? Just curious...
I bought the NC primarily for web browsing, and playing videos. So far, vids are great (plays the two Transformers vids included with the HD2 like a dream, but lousy audio from built-in speaker, average from headphones/earbuds) but surfing is a tad sluggish (10 Mbit broadband).
Should I wait for either a cooked rom or possible fw updates from B&N? Or just keep shopping - I don't need telco capability, just wifi.
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Use the Dolphin Browser HD 2 .. Works Awesome.. You can specify the user agent (Android, Desktop, IPhone, IPad) in the settings..
They pull sites based on what the "user agent" is set to in the browser..
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clockcycle said:
They pull sites based on what the "user agent" is set to in the browser..
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A little more accurately, some sites serve different content depending on how the browser identifies itself. In some cases to account for reduced screen real-estate (mobile browser), in other cases to work around bugs in the browser's rendering implementation.
Now, that being said, for some reason the Nook Color developers decided to set the user agent as being an intel-based macintosh. I'm serious, go to like ipchicken.com and see what the UA is.
PHiZ said:
A little more accurately, some sites serve different content depending on how the browser identifies itself. In some cases to account for reduced screen real-estate (mobile browser), in other cases to work around bugs in the browser's rendering implementation.
Now, that being said, for some reason the Nook Color developers decided to set the user agent as being an intel-based macintosh. I'm serious, go to like ipchicken.com and see what the UA is.
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I can confirm. Go to hulu.com and click the flash install link. Adobe also identifies the browser as OSX.
You don't need to root and install Dolphin, you can change the user agent in the default browser by typing about:debug into the URL bar and going to settings after that.
I've read through several reviews that the galaxy note web browsing battery test score is low due to the fact that the default explorer takes its toll on the gpu , have any of you tried non stock browsers and had better battery life with it ?
i my self use dolphin HD and i get the same results
its not entirely the GPU's fault. if you check out the PC world, GPU's are more energy efficient than CPUs. ie. my gtx560ti soc had 384 cores running at 2ghz and draws 205w, my i7 2600k only has 8 hyperthreaded cores running at 4.5ghz and it draws 180w, guess which one has much more processing power and better performance per watt?
the reason why the battery dies so quickly with web browsing isnt because of the GPU and CPU, but because of the AMOLED screen. when an AMOLED screen is black, it uses no power. when an AMOLED screen is fully lit up white, it draws full power. most web pages have white backgrounds, which means the AMOLED screen is constantly running at full power, which is the reason for terrible battery life whilst web browsing. some people had a fix for it by modding opera browser to set backgrounds to black instead with white text, that went a long way towards improving battery life.
well part of what you said is true about white backgrounds but thats not the main problem
in gsmarena's battery test it scored about 8.5 hours on video playback while only 3.5 hours in web browsing , sure some of the extra consumption are contributed to wifi or 3g usage but the gap is above the normal range .
My default browser is Opera Mobile,it is not hardware accelaerated so I constantly get between 5-6 hours of non stop browsing with it,besides it supports text reflow when pinched to Zoom and am too used to it from my days on HD2..
The other two ,the Stock and Dolphin rarely I use them.
4 months later and first time I'm hearing about this.
I personally use stock browser. Not a fan of dolphin HD, but dolphin mini is cool and opera mobile is also great.
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I hope that with the ICS browser we will see an improvement, i know it won't be that much because of the Super Amoled Screen but in ICS you can invert the color scheme so white will be black and that will make a big change for people who browse a lot!
My battery life using Opera Mobile seems fairly good im using a CSS file for a black background which I found really helps.
hagba said:
My default browser is Opera Mobile,it is not hardware accelaerated so I constantly get between 5-6 hours of non stop browsing with it,besides it supports text reflow when pinched to Zoom and am too used to it from my days on HD2..
The other two ,the Stock and Dolphin rarely I use them.
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Yes it is.
"he latest versions of the Opera Mini and Opera Mobile get an extra boost of speed and power. Even on sites with secure encryption or lots of graphics, pages load with a snap and scroll smoothly. You’ll also be able to play the next generation of games on your mobile device, thanks to WebGL hardware acceleration.[/I]"
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Mezoxin said:
well part of what you said is true about white backgrounds but thats not the main problem
in gsmarena's battery test it scored about 8.5 hours on video playback while only 3.5 hours in web browsing , sure some of the extra consumption are contributed to wifi or 3g usage but the gap is above the normal range .
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i dont see how your quote disproves what im saying. the white backgrounds are the main problem believe it or not. videos often use dark colours, hence the extra battery life with videos. even gsmarena mentions the amoled white screen thing in their review iirc.
the ICS browser on the galaxy note has the option to invert colours, that will improve battery life dramatically.
White on Black
Souai said:
i dont see how your quote disproves what im saying. the white backgrounds are the main problem believe it or not. videos often use dark colours, hence the extra battery life with videos. even gsmarena mentions the amoled white screen thing in their review iirc.
the ICS browser on the galaxy note has the option to invert colours, that will improve battery life dramatically.
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That's why XDA mobile (also Youtube) is so good with a black background.
I use Dolphin and find it is very good with lots of great features. However it does chew battery but mainly because I still visit many websites with white backgrounds. I've tried reducing brightness until white is almost grey but battery still disappears.
But again - as I keep saying - small price to pay with such a brilliant screen to be able to view entire web pages. Who cares if you have to charge every night?
I'd also recommend buying extra batteries or a USB recharger if you are going away for more than 24 hours
IMO, the best Android web browser is Maxthon. Super fast, tab browsing, gestures etc.
I use it as my main browser on my desktop PC and now also on my Android phones.
It also has a night mode which darkens the screen and also inverts the page colors so the white background becomes dark gray / black.
jakiman said:
IMO, the best Android web browser is Maxthon. Super fast, tab browsing, gestures etc.
I use it as my main browser on my desktop PC and now also on my Android phones.
It also has a night mode which darkens the screen and also inverts the page colors so the white background becomes dark gray / black.
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Thanks - just downloaded and trying now. Will give it a few days and let you know.
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jakiman said:
IMO, the best Android web browser is Maxthon. Super fast, tab browsing, gestures etc.
I use it as my main browser on my desktop PC and now also on my Android phones.
It also has a night mode which darkens the screen and also inverts the page colors so the white background becomes dark gray / black.
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Been running Maxthon and Boat off and on for the last month or so. Both are very useable and responsive, and the 2 "lightest" full-featured browsers I know of. There are a few things I prefer about each, so haven't settled on a primary, yet... but the slight edge goes to Boat at the moment. Watching System Panel and a few other tools, Boat seems to be requiring fewer GPU and CPU resources while browsing (no flash sites while comparing).
Souai said:
i dont see how your quote disproves what im saying. the white backgrounds are the main problem believe it or not. videos often use dark colours, hence the extra battery life with videos. even gsmarena mentions the amoled white screen thing in their review iirc.
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What the..? This thread is filled to the brim with misinformation.
First of all, using GPU is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Videos consume so little battery exactly because all decoding, including audio, is done in hardware, there is almost nothing for CPU to do while playing video. Go ahead and install e.g. MXPlayer and disable H/W decoding and try playing videos then; you'll notice battery-life dropping to barely 3 hours.
Secondly, Gingerbread does not use GPU for almost any of the regular 2D operations. And guess what? Web browsers do quite heavy amounts of 2D graphics, and since they're not accelerated all those operations must be done in software. ICS does support GPU-acceleration for quite many 2D operations so you'll see much improved battery-life when browsing the web on ICS.
Mezoxin said:
I've read through several reviews that the galaxy note web browsing battery test score is low due to the fact that the default explorer takes its toll on the gpu , have any of you tried non stock browsers and had better battery life with it ?
i my self use dolphin HD and i get the same results
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There's an app called Wi-Fi TX Power with which you can set wifi receiver signal strength. I'm not sure how much power it can save, but on my old HD2 it reduced the peak power usage while browsing from 500 mA to some 200/300 mA.
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It is.
I'm running CM10.
I've tried the default "Browser", Dolphin and Chrome.
They're all slow. By slow I mean "slow to load and render the page."
Using my PC feels 2-3-4-5x's faster.
Is this normal ? Are other tablets the same?
I never really used the stock browser ( i suppose I could take out the microSD card and test ).
I find the HD+ is superb for reading books (I've already cranked thru 4 books since buying it in December ) and superlative for PDFs/magazines.
^-- which is the main purpose I bought it for, so I'm happy with it in that regard.
But man. The web browsing stinks.
Hi,
you didn't decribe what is the config of your desktop
I'm using CM10 and Chrome or Browser and to my experience web browsing is as fast as on Ipad2. Which is ok by my standards.
Browser on stock is a little slower by my experience but also ok.
To know what slow is, you should try browsers on Nook Color for example )
curiousmike said:
It is.
I'm running CM10.
I've tried the default "Browser", Dolphin and Chrome.
They're all slow. By slow I mean "slow to load and render the page."
Using my PC feels 2-3-4-5x's faster.
Is this normal ? Are other tablets the same?
I never really used the stock browser ( i suppose I could take out the microSD card and test ).
I find the HD+ is superb for reading books (I've already cranked thru 4 books since buying it in December ) and superlative for PDFs/magazines.
^-- which is the main purpose I bought it for, so I'm happy with it in that regard.
But man. The web browsing stinks.
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Hi!
First of all - your PC is probably much faster than a tablet with a mobile CPU @ 1,5Ghz and 1GB RAM.
Did you try Firefox Beta or Dolphin beta?
For me the Nook HD+ speed it totally ok - I am using Firefox beta most of the time.
Medizinmann said:
Hi!
First of all - your PC is probably much faster than a tablet with a mobile CPU @ 1,5Ghz and 1GB RAM.
Did you try Firefox Beta or Dolphin beta?
For me the Nook HD+ speed it totally ok - I am using Firefox beta most of the time.
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Yes, my PC is fast.
I'm running Dolphin as the default browser; I haven't tried FF.
My smart-phone is probably ~ similar in speed to my tablet, and it's faster than the tablet.
I type 'news.yahoo.com' into my tablet, and I sit for 5 seconds before the initial page load comes in... and it continues slow.
curiousmike said:
Yes, my PC is fast.
I'm running Dolphin as the default browser; I haven't tried FF.
My smart-phone is probably ~ similar in speed to my tablet, and it's faster than the tablet.
I type 'news.yahoo.com' into my tablet, and I sit for 5 seconds before the initial page load comes in... and it continues slow.
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I would recommend trying Firefox beta...for me its definitely faster than Dolphin at least on devices with enough memory - on my phone FF is slower than Dolphin...
How is the Wireless connection of your Nook HD+?
I recommend setting your WiFi to 11n only - if possible and if you don't need 11g/b - I had slowdowns because of bad connections and the reason was the router connecting in 11b with ther tablet instead of 11n...
Medizinmann said:
I would recommend trying Firefox beta...for me its definitely faster than Dolphin at least on devices with enough memory - on my phone FF is slower than Dolphin...
How is the Wireless connection of your Nook HD+?
I recommend setting your WiFi to 11n only - if possible and if you don't need 11g/b - I had slowdowns because of bad connections and the reason was the router connecting in 11b with ther tablet instead of 11n...
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The WiFi connection and speed to my tablet was one of the first things I checked.
It's fast enough ( 500KB/sec->1MB/sec ).
Trying to narrow down "what is slow", it must be the interpreting of the site.
Javascript interpreting? Page rendering? I don't know -- I do know that opening a new webpage is almost always met with a +5 second delay where a thin blue line of "loading/rendering/interpreting" is going while I stare at a blank page.
I will install FF beta tonight and see if it's better. :good:
I've been using Chrome for a long time but it seems very slow to load pages. I've got a 25mbps connection so I don't think that's the problem. In browser tests, Chrome seems to be slower than a lot but OTOH, it has a pretty small memory requirement which seems important on a 1MB machine. I have a Nook HD and have been running MM for about a week. Chrome was slow on CM11 and it seems just as slow on CM13. Anyone using a browser they are really happy with? (FWIW, I tried Puffin but the interface was not a nice as Chrome so I gave up, probably too quickly.)
lmacmil said:
I've been using Chrome for a long time but it seems very slow to load pages. I've got a 25mbps connection so I don't think that's the problem. In browser tests, Chrome seems to be slower than a lot but OTOH, it has a pretty small memory requirement which seems important on a 1MB machine. I have a Nook HD and have been running MM for about a week. Chrome was slow on CM11 and it seems just as slow on CM13. Anyone using a browser they are really happy with? (FWIW, I tried Puffin but the interface was not a nice as Chrome so I gave up, probably too quickly.)
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I started using Firefox a few weeks ago for one main reason. The additional add on of ad blockers. I do not have xposed and adaway on my nook right now so gave the adblockers a try. It seems to speed up my browsing a ton. I was a chrome fan, too, but there are so many intrusive ads now that it can't function. There is still occasional lag from whatever unknown issues there are on a 3 year old tablet and its antique processor but I am on the latest aosp and am p!eased it still works.
long2ski said:
I started using Firefox a few weeks ago for one main reason. The additional add on of ad blockers. I do not have xposed and adaway on my nook right now so gave the adblockers a try. It seems to speed up my browsing a ton. I was a chrome fan, too, but there are so many intrusive ads now that it can't function. There is still occasional lag from whatever unknown issues there are on a 3 year old tablet and its antique processor but I am on the latest aosp and am p!eased it still works.
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I use FF on my laptop but switched to Chrome on my desktop because FF doesn't agree with the hardware and Win10. Would spontaneously freeze or reboot every couple days. I will try FF on the Nook and see what happens. Thanks.
I use FF on my laptop but switched to Chrome on my desktop because FF doesn't agree with the hardware and Win10
I use FF on my Toshiba with Windows 10 with no issues. It's my goto browser there too for the same reasons.
I use Opera on any android device, simply because it is the only one I know of that still supports dynamic text reflow, allowing one to zoom in and not have to scroll left and right. It irks me that other browsers do not support this.