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Vote For Kaiser ... Gadget of the Year

I know what problems everyone is facing... Due to Improper Video Drivers and all but despite being laggy on some Video Playback and all... i Love my Kaiser and i already voted for it ...
Go ahead Support This device ... I know many of you Love this device.. so go ahead vote for it ... NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED
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Gadget of the year
Smart phone of the year
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/20/vote-for-the-2007-engadget-awards/

Sticky this thread please.
I know we all have had issues with the Kaiser but its still a good phone and with HTC now coming alongside with a possible solution it should beat the Nokia N85!!!!!!

I wont vote for it without drivers..

Are you kidding me? Yeah. Let HTC think we're all happy with this phone! (sarcasm)
Sure, I'll admit the phone works great for my uses, but they still dropped the ball.

No surprise, the iPhone wins even though it doesn't qualify as a smartphone (engadget knows that). Also voted for Apple TV as worst.

bshakil said:
I know what problems everyone is facing... Due to Improper Video Drivers and all but despite being laggy on some Video Playback and all... i Love my Kaiser and i already voted for it ...
Go ahead Support This device ... I know many of you Love this device.. so go ahead vote for it ... NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED
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Gadget of the year
Smart phone of the year
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/20/vote-for-the-2007-engadget-awards/
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Certainly, just after they provide drivers that utilized the MSM 7200 on die ATI hardware acceleration with direct draw functions, and NOT a debugged version of the current 3D implementation of the software that runs on main processor.
"You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat... How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat...?"
?Glitch

That entire contest is one big collective circle-jerk for the engadget readers to confirm to themselves how superior they think apple is. Key word being "think". In every category that an apple product is nominated for, apple is winning. EVERY one. It doesn't matter if there are other products that are better, the voters are ignorant.
Example: For Peripheral of the year, the apple keyboard is winning. There are at least 3 other peripherals on the list that are more innovative and better products. I think the Belkin network USB hub should win, but bc apple puts out a thin keyboard, everyone bends over.

marm0lade said:
That entire contest is one big collective circle-jerk for the engadget readers to confirm to themselves how superior they think apple is. Key word being "think". In every category that an apple product is nominated for, apple is winning. EVERY one. It doesn't matter if there are other products that are better, the voters are ignorant.
Example: For Peripheral of the year, the apple keyboard is winning. There are at least 3 other peripherals on the list that are more innovative and better products. I think the Belkin network USB hub should win, but bc apple puts out a thin keyboard, everyone bends over.
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Thats because most people don't realize the capablities of what PPC's can do man.. It's honestly not their fault. As normal default our phones vs Iphone, no offense mate. Iphone rips this **** to shreds..
And I am only talking about OUT OF THE BOX default...
But if we're talking about people like us, who know about technology, and understand the capabilities of what a PPC can do. Then yes, obviously the PPC kills, crush, destroys any other phone..
You gotta remember, majority of people don't know **** about technology.. You shouldn't hold it against them, honestly they can't be bothered to learn, it isn't their hobby. its ours.

Nooo don't do it!
Whilst I love my Kaiser, I can only see this being detrimental to all of the good work over at htcclassaction.
I'm not one of these people who state they wouldn't ever buy another HTC phone, the video issue doesn't really bite at me that much and personally, it's the best phone I've ever owned. I'd never admit that to HTC because it's not all that it should be. Now if they release proper drivers, I'll vote for it
marm0lade; said:
That entire contest is one big collective circle-jerk for the engadget readers to confirm to themselves how superior they think apple is. Key word being "think". In every category that an apple product is nominated for, apple is winning. EVERY one. It doesn't matter if there are other products that are better, the voters are ignorant.
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That depends on who is voting really, if it's consumer, then they bought the product, they experienced it and felt one way or another about it. If they feel inclined to vote it as best 'whatever' of the year and apple wins, then surely apple is superior, their product may or may not be but thats just a matter of opinion really.
I apple is like Marmite, you either love it or hate it (and if you really feel strongly about that go here http://www.marmite.com/ ).
Thats just my two pence worth anyway

Kepela523 said:
You gotta remember, majority of people don't know **** about technology.. You shouldn't hold it against them, honestly they can't be bothered to learn, it isn't their hobby. its ours.
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LMAO, true, true. I don't know about can't be bothered though, don't need to I think is more accurate. For most people these things do just what they want them to. They look flashy and all of their mates go "Wow, thats cool. I want one of those", another Happy customer.

bshakil said:
I know what problems everyone is facing... Due to Improper Video Drivers and all but despite being laggy on some Video Playback and all... i Love my Kaiser and i already voted for it ...
Go ahead Support This device ... I know many of you Love this device.. so go ahead vote for it ... NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED
Remember to VOTE IN TWO CATEGORIES
Gadget of the year
Smart phone of the year
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/20/vote-for-the-2007-engadget-awards/
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Why should I vote for something that is slower than my old 8125?
The only advantage of the kaiser is the gps...

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. It doesn't matter if there are other products that are better, the voters are ignorant.
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Sounds like you describe the voting system in the U.S.! ;-)
I agree, Apple's products always have a cult following and Apple always shows up as #1. Perhaps they are #1 for buyers, but the products never seem to align with my needs. A locked phone that requires jailbreaks and other underhanded tactics to use is nothing but a pretty brick to me.
Also the Asus EEEPC or whatever, that looks like a small factor laptop not a mobile phone. Does that thing even support GSM networks? Why is that in there?
I'm unhappy with my Kaiser performance, but still happy I have it. I voted for Kaiser, because the iPhone and that EEEPC is a brick for me.

jon_k said:
I agree, Apple's products always have a cult following and Apple always shows up as #1. Perhaps they are #1 for buyers, but the products never seem to align with my needs. A locked phone that requires jailbreaks and other underhanded tactics to use is nothing but a pretty brick to me.
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Does that apply to SIM/CID unlocking, ROM ripping too? How many of us on here are actually using stock unmodified phones?

Oooh... it was tough deciding between my Asus eee and my Tilt... but I voted for tilt XD
Only downside is Engadget (as much as I love it and read it everyday) is Apple-Fan Center. Good Luck fighting them fanboys :S
Every apple product is leading "positive" awards =S

Is there a category for "Fraud of the Year"? If so, I vote for the Kaiser.

PLEASE - I NEED HELP JAILBREAKING MY iPHONE 3GS!!!

JUST KIDDING!!! I will NEVER own an iPhone of any generation - PERIOD!!
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Hyperplasia07_from_youtube said:
I have bought all three generations of iPhones on launch day, but I cannot take it any longer.
In the end, it was rejection of Google Voice from the App Store that drove me to this point, but that was just the tip of the spear. Whether it is their refusal to let other gadgets such as the Palm Pre interface with iTunes, or their Draconian App Store procedures...I simply cannot support them with a clear conscience, which is why I chose to end the life of my iPhone in this manner instead of selling it--after all, who would want to pass on a cancer to another person?
Apple may have fooled the world with their witty commercials and bright t-shirts, but they will no longer fool me. Their approach has helped them gain a sizable chunk of the PC market, but as their popularity grows, people will begin to see them for what they really are--a corporation far more "evil" than Microsoft would ever dream to be.
Apple is turning consumerism into communism. Any entity that enforces such anti-competitive practices and dictates what their paying population can and cannot have without any explanation, consistency, or reason is communistic. It's wrong and I will no longer support it.
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Haha well, i dont mind spreading the "cancer," im reselling my iphone
And i dont hate the iphone, i just dont like it or apple anymore...

You know, it actually held up better than I thought it would in that video

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You know, it actually held up better than I thought it would in that video
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Ha! I know right? I would have figured the first round would have blown it to pieces but no.... It took 4 before the phone even broke in half!

Went on the rounds not so long ago via faceplant/twit the music really sets the scenario

Congrats, must feel good

Insane...LoL...but great stress relief
Seriously, I hope this guy doesn't take this to another step...and start shooting a apple store or even worst

Now I'd like to see "50cal V. iPad"

Those Foxconn workers may be suicidal, but the build a tough phone

The title should be "PLEASE HELP THIS LAME PHONE MAKE SOME FRIENDS!"

AGAIN!!! AGAIN!!! The iphone does make a good target.

Thought this was brilliant when I watched it, music really does set the scene!
How many times do you reckon the guy missed? Or is he a better shot then I would be if I ever touched a gun....

why I dont like apple

Its very annoying everywhere I turn I hear ipod or iphone as if that is the only mp3 player or cell phone in existance. I turn the tv on to watch news then I hear the pope got a ipod, a next time I heard president obama have a ipod, next time I heard doctors are using ipod for something (cant remember what), next time I heard apple white iphone is delayed and many customers are waiting for it(its just a color), a next time I heard apple app store have a grill thermometer app.
These are some of things that I heard on the news and it makes me wonder if the station is getting paid everytime they mention a apple product. Yesterday im watching the news and a tech commentator came on and was talking about verizon iphone. He said the verizon version internet is a little slower than at&t but atleast you will be able to make calls with verizon version. If apple version was so bad with voice call how come it was so hush hush. My friend iphone always drop calls and he always have excuse like he was on a bridge, he just pass a over pass, he just pass a dead spot but he would not say its the phone. I asked my friend to send me a picture to my cell that he took out with his iphone, he said he would have to wait until he reach home to do it from his mac book because the iphone couldnt send pic. This was couple years ago when the iphone first came out. This is what you call a loyal fanboy.
Apple is doing a very good job with advertisement. People around me never heard of a N1 but then again i didnt buy it because it was the in-thing. Im not afraid to tell a apple fanboy my left soft key on my N1 can be unresponsive and its very annoying. 3 times for the 10 months I own my N1, when I try to take a pic the phone would completely die. I was thinking the flash was consuming too much battery or maybe its my cheap ebay spare battery. It didnt happen that often for me to try to narrow it down.
did I mention im not a fan for any thing apple. awwwww i feel better.

Yah I'm not crazy about the fan boys either. They think there phone is the like the best phone in the world.

I used to be a fanboy and i still have a lot of respect for the iPhone if it wasnt for them google probably wouldnt be making the phones we have now. our operating system might not exist and we wouldnt have this awesome forum to bash steve jobs. but you have to admit its a pretty impressive device a lot smoother and refined than most of the android phones out there. its biggest limitation is that is has a big ugly apple on it. Mac is obsurd with their locking everything up. if they would just open up then maybe theyd be worth half what the android os is

I don't "hate" apple for capitalizing on a fragmented (heh) mobile market. They see consumer electronics as a sector with untapped potential and made an ecosystem off of it. If you think about it, every manufacturer would sell their soul for the success that Apple has been having. Further more, you should appreciate for what Apple is doing, otherwise most of these manufacturers would still be lagging 10yrs behind in development.
While i do agree that all mp3 players are being grouped up as "ipod" and all phones as "iphones" etc, that's more of a fault with the dumb general public for creating the generalization than Apple's own-doing.

People think that we have capable phones thanks to Apple,but that isnt true,
the IPhone has just a new capacitive multitouch screen.
There were nice smartphones before like Palm Treo,and others.
I had a used Nokia 9210i communicator,way older than the Iphone,
it seems to be the first phone sporting installable programs.
For Android we dont have to thank Apple that they put a crippled OSX on their
phones but we have to thank the Linux devs that their OS is free and has a lot of software available.Hacker had patches for a lot of PDAs running this OS for years.
Now we have WP7 that tells us to throw all previous phones into trash,because
it doesnt run our software without a lot of source changes and runs only on overpriced high-end hardware.

This is a real convo I had yesterday ... I explained after wards (Randomly calling him Jim )
Me *Get's out phone and goes on Angry Birds*
Jim "Hey, that's not an iPhone how did you get that!?"
Me "I downloaded it"
Jim "But i though only iPhones could get apps"
Me *facepalm*

It's not the iphone I hate, it's the goddamn fan club I have a problem with.
Its a great piece of hardware. The OS is so simple a child can use it. Much like the mental capacity of its fanbois.

MacaronyMax said:
This is a real convo I had yesterday ... I explained after wards (Randomly calling him Jim )
Me *Get's out phone and goes on Angry Birds*
Jim "Hey, that's not an iPhone how did you get that!?"
Me "I downloaded it"
Jim "But i though only iPhones could get apps"
Me *facepalm*
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hahahahahahaha what a dumbass. sorry if i'm insulting your friend, but that's just stupid.

Yup apple is sh*t
I plugged the ipod speakers in my Sony Walkman hit the bass button and the sound was like the speakers are farting!
Stopped the bass feature and the sound was still like sh*t.
I plugged my speakers in an ipod and the sound wasn't that good, IDK why they say that the ipod has a clear voice when it sounds like crappy FM radio.

I had a white 3gs and I loved it. But it got damaged at&t screwed me over and apple said oh well. I played with my friends n1 and had to have android in the end I went with the evo only because sprint cut me a better deal than T-Mobile. I went to buy the G2 and it would have cost almost $1000 just for the phone and new 2 yr.
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btw, KarlosTheJackal pposted something funny in this thread:
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My favoute "custy" ever came in & we had this convo (to explain the grading system i work at a second hand store, we grade everything A,B or C based on there condition):
Custy: "You have them new iPhones in stock"
Me: "Yes, we have both the 16GB & 32GB in stock both in 'A' Grade condition"
Custy: "Does that come with that talking cat thingy?"
Me: "Pardon?"
Custy: "Don't play stupid, you know that program/app thingy that the cat talks to you"
Me: "Do you mean 'Talking Tom Cat'?"
Custy: "Thats the one, does it come with it?"
Me: "Its not pre-installed, its a free app you download of apples market place"
Custy: "How much for the app thingy?"
Me: "Ive just said its free"
Custy: "I won't take one of them iPhones unless it has that on it"
Me: "I can put it on there if you like"
Custy: "Yes"
To sum it up, she paid £550 for a 32GB iPhone4 for one free app that she could have gotten on an iPod Touch.
That was the day I lost hope for humanity...
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Thank you!! Well said
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Really? I see more people with Androids/Blackberrys.
Why I like Apple:
1)They do nice designs for their products.
2)Operating system is better for viruses not because there are none, but if they do get in they do less damage than they would on Windows.
3) They have better games for iTouch/iPhone than for Android, I want some more gameloft games, and "lite" games.
Why I don't like Apple:
1) Over priced
2) Lack of customization, and I'm having a harder time jail breaking the free iTouch I received.
3) Lack of game support for their computers
4)Fanboys really ruin the community for Apple because if you mention one con about Apple they eat you like a starving man and a cheesecake.

MacaronyMax said:
This is a real convo I had yesterday ... I explained after wards (Randomly calling him Jim )
Me *Get's out phone and goes on Angry Birds*
Jim "Hey, that's not an iPhone how did you get that!?"
Me "I downloaded it"
Jim "But i though only iPhones could get apps"
Me *facepalm*
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Same here!! Angry birds and its not an iPhail/iPhuck?

Why is XDA-Developers the anti-Apple site? I just don't get all the Apple hate around this place. They are what they are. I use some Apple products. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro right now that I *need* for my business because I rely on software that ONLY runs on OS X. I also have a couple of Android phones and a BlackBerry... and while there are things about the iPhone that draw me in, how closed it is puts me off. But it's also a selling point, as it's what allows Apple to create the experience they do.
We have a free market, and we should be GLAD for Apple. And Android. And Windows Phone 7. And even Symbian. The free market is what causes ALL platforms to progress and develop at the rate they do in order to keep up with each other.

Cimer said:
Why I don't like Apple:
1) Over priced
2) Lack of customization, and I'm having a harder time jail breaking the free iTouch I received.
3) Lack of game support for their computers
4)Fanboys really ruin the community for Apple because if you mention one con about Apple they eat you like a starving man and a cheesecake.
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1. I hear this argument, and I don't see the truth in it at all. iPhone is priced competitively with high-end Android phones in the same class.
2. This is VERY true, unfortunately.
3. Um, seriously? No. I'd argue consoles are better for games anyways, but Macs run games pretty well. Granted, there aren't a lot of games for Mac OS X but that isn't Apple's fault. And you can run any OS you feel like on your Mac, so dual-boot with Windows if you need Windows games. Unfortunately, I can't run Mac OS X on any generic hardware I want without some hacking, and I rely on programs that are ONLY available for OS X. That seems more a reason to be anti-Apple than the other way around
4. Isn't the whole point of this thread (and it seems much of this site) the ANTI-Apple fanboys? The idiotic fanboys are everywhere (though Verizon seems to have the most - and I must say the Verizon iPhone scares me. Combine Apple's fanboys with Verizon's fanboys and you have the potential for a nuclear explosion of fanboyism in the coming months). Ignore them, they don't change the real merits of a product.

It's marketing. Apple and developers create the product, and then people market them. Apple does not create markets, but they sure as hell know how to expand it. There was a small tablet market before the Ipad, but when the Ipad came and hit, the tablet market blew up. Same thing with smart phones. Smart phones wouldn't have grown and expanded to the general public if apple didn't put out the Iphone.
Also, haven't had an issue jailbreaking. If you have an Iphone before 4.2, jailbreakme.com. If you have newer, redsn0w supports windows and mac. As for games, it's up to the developers, not the OS. Steam and valve have support for OS X, ID games do seeing that they're opengl games, and there are cider wrappers for a lot of games out there.
I wish apple would develop a computer that uses desktop parts and not mobile or workstation parts, since that drives cost up some. But for that, I have osx86. Until Apple makes a machine with complete desktop parts, well osx86 for me.

Just wanting to put a few things in here.
While reading through this thread, it seemed like all i was reading was a large group of teenage douche bags all getting together and talking about something they don't like.
Don't get me wrong, I love android but it doesn't have to be this "I hate apple, I love android" thing, they BOTH have their strengths and weaknesses.
Both OSs have been hacked because there are things people don't like about both, not just Apple. I mean, we are on a forum that is dedicated to IMPROVING the Android OS, obviously because it isn't what we would like it to be and we can make it better.
The iPhone is an amazing phone; if you have a good signal on ATT (which I have always had, never had that whole dropped calls thing over and over like people state they have) then most people don't have complaints becUse it just works. The OS is intuitive, very clean, and very easy to navigate.
When people ask me which to get, I always ask them right away, "are you going to be customizing the phone? How adept are you with computers?" if they aren't, I direct theto iOS because it is better as a STOCK OS.
If we couldn't hack and change android like we can, it might be a little better, but ONLY if you were very into the customization; for the average consumer, IOS is better. That's why it sells.

i*hone is a way over priced over hyped device imo

vbetts said:
It's marketing. Apple and developers create the product, and then people market them. Apple does not create markets, but they sure as hell know how to expand it. There was a small tablet market before the Ipad, but when the Ipad came and hit, the tablet market blew up. Same thing with smart phones. Smart phones wouldn't have grown and expanded to the general public if apple didn't put out the Iphone.
Also, haven't had an issue jailbreaking. If you have an Iphone before 4.2, jailbreakme.com. If you have newer, redsn0w supports windows and mac. As for games, it's up to the developers, not the OS. Steam and valve have support for OS X, ID games do seeing that they're opengl games, and there are cider wrappers for a lot of games out there.
I wish apple would develop a computer that uses desktop parts and not mobile or workstation parts, since that drives cost up some. But for that, I have osx86. Until Apple makes a machine with complete desktop parts, well osx86 for me.
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thats why i just build my own pc's

The next Big Thing since all things i

Ok. One of the points I meant by this WHOLE thread was NOT about how you can improve iOS or iPhone. Frankly there are way too many people who already postulated that on the whole of XDA and the interwebs.
I want to encourage people replying to this thread to put on their thinking caps, and think of what sort of futuristic product they can think of that may very well be a potential innovation from Apple. Not a phone, nor an iPad, nothing about iOS. Break free from that shackle. Steve always said that there is no way you can make a great product buy surveying the market and asking them what they want as consumers never know what they want until they see it and so you should think what will be the next revolution....
Soooooooooo...
The idea of this thread is this: (which got lost due to my frankly poor OP)
What would you say the next innovation is.
(P.S: I mention Apple in this thread a lot because traditionally they really where the pioneers of most major trends in electronics - Mac for GUI, then iPods then the in thing - smartphones with great GUI).
Soooooo, commence the scuffle!
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Original OP (which was badly written and distracted from my main idea) can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31513203&postcount=14

Actually Apple is doing very well for itself right now. It might backfire in the future but for now they are raking in money.

lol @ some random dude on xda saying he could run the most profitable company in the history of this planet better than they could. Man if they'd only found you sooner...

apple is the most valuable stock in NSE,
so its feeding off the rich isheeps

veeman said:
Actually Apple is doing very well for itself right now. It might backfire in the future but for now they are raking in money.
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The point is not that Apple is making losses now. The point was not really about profits. The point was making innovative products that they used to do on a regular basis (iPods, then the iPod nano when they first came) and then the iPhone/iTouch. But now they are just not innovating - either by making cool new products Or improving the existent one.
So, what would u do to give us the "wow" factor from Apple. The resounding wow that everyone said when the iPhone debuted. What would that be?

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The point is not that Apple is making losses now. The point was not really about profits. The point was making innovative products that they used to do on a regular basis (iPods, then the iPod nano when they first came) and then the iPhone/iTouch. But now they are just not innovating - either by making cool new products Or improving the existent one.
So, what would u do to give us the "wow" factor from Apple. The resounding wow that everyone said when the iPhone debuted. What would that be?
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wow = overpriced gadget + mass media advertising + huge battalion of rich dumbas*es

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lol @ some random dude on xda saying he could run the most profitable company in the history of this planet better than they could. Man if they'd only found you sooner...
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Steve Jobs when he first started off, was really into making products that "wow" people. He was also very business minded but still he did heavy investment and caused smaller profits because he spent a lot of time, effort and money on innovation. Same thing at the company "Next". I know I can't make Apple make MORE money than it does now, on its current line up. I am not a marketing or business guru...
I think you fail to see the point I make, oh good sir. What I am saying is Apple lost all innovation and is now purely gaining success on past success and marketing things to people.
And I claim I can and probably you can come up with "better" innovations than Apple does.
And so my question remains: What will you do at Apple as a CEO/Chief Designer that makes us WOW.
Because, if you feel "wow-ed" by Apple's current products, you probably have set a very (keyword: "very") low bar.

litetaker said:
Steve Jobs when he first started off, was really into making products that "wow" people. He was also very business minded but still he did heavy investment and caused smaller profits because he spent a lot of time, effort and money on innovation. Same thing at the company "Next". I know I can't make Apple make MORE money than it does now, on its current line up. I am not a marketing or business guru...
I think you fail to see the point I make, oh good sir. What I am saying is Apple lost all innovation and is now purely gaining success on past success and marketing things to people.
And I claim I can and probably you can come up with "better" innovations than Apple does.
And so my question remains: What will you do at Apple as a CEO/Chief Designer that makes us WOW.
Because, if you feel "wow-ed" by Apple's current products, you probably have set a very (keyword: "very") low bar.
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That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if you ran this specific corporation you would not be in it for profit but you would basically just have crazy R&D going to "innovate"
You don't need a corporation or a logo or to run someone else's company for that, you just need money.
Your title is misleading, this is basically just "If you had 20 billion dollars in capital, what would you spend it on as far as R&D goes without trying to attain the most profit but just to be 'innovative'?"
In which case I would say Google Glass is basically what I'd be into, like set up a full AR network as picture in the awesome as hell sci fi book 'Daemon" by Daniel Suarez, and integrate that into your cell phone/communications and stuff.
And as to your claim that you can "run Apple better than Apple does" what you're actually saying is "In my opinion if I had all that capital made from not being original except maybe the very first iteration of the iPhone, I would spend it all not on what has made profit for me but on in what my opinion would be more "innovative" than what I consider the latest rendering of the iPhone to be"
It's the most arbitrary and subjective statement ever. I could just as easily say "If I ran McDonald's I would introduce hormone free big beef patties and sugar free buns because that is much better for you and not just about cheap profit like the current management, like the old days when it was about making burgers, not money"
i mean you could say that about any aspect of any company. Bottom line is you would probably run that company into the ground within 2 years.

orangekid said:
That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if you ran this specific corporation you would not be in it for profit but you would basically just have crazy R&D going to "innovate"
You don't need a corporation or a logo or to run someone else's company for that, you just need money.
Your title is misleading, this is basically just "If you had 20 billion dollars in capital, what would you spend it on as far as R&D goes without trying to attain the most profit but just to be 'innovative'?"
In which case I would say Google Glass is basically what I'd be into, like set up a full AR network as picture in the awesome as hell sci fi book 'Daemon" by Daniel Suarez, and integrate that into your cell phone/communications and stuff.
And as to your claim that you can "run Apple better than Apple does" what you're actually saying is "In my opinion if I had all that capital made from not being original except maybe the very first iteration of the iPhone, I would spend it all not on what has made profit for me but on in what my opinion would be more "innovative" than what I consider the latest rendering of the iPhone to be"
It's the most arbitrary and subjective statement ever. I could just as easily say "If I ran McDonald's I would introduce hormone free big beef patties and sugar free buns because that is much better for you and not just about cheap profit like the current management, like the old days when it was about making burgers, not money"
i mean you could say that about any aspect of any company. Bottom line is you would probably run that company into the ground within 2 years.
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You are making hasty conclusions and clubbing different sentences of mine out of context! Oh my gawd! How is it difficult for people to understand the following simple point I am making!?
Let me break it down for you, Internet style:
1) Do you think Apple is making the best and most innovative product every year?
A) NO.
2) Why?
A) Clearly there isn't one feature on iPhone 5 that isn't already there elsewhere. They just caught up with others. No innovation, and I am a sad panda.
3) Do you think spending some money in a multibillion dollar company for innovation is a good idea?
A) Yes. It will help differentiate their product and add value to it so people find it worth buying.
4) Do you think that will reduce profits?
A) In the long term definitely not. In the short term, may be but given the size of the company it is clearly worth investing for R&D.
5) Did other companies make interesting innovations THAT APPLE hasn't made?
A) Hell yes.
And (5) is my point people! Stop blindly trying to defend a corporation you like and just hear me out once. All I am saying is, and I bet you will agree, is that Apple didn't improve upon their OS/product in certain aspects thereby leading to not the best of the breed. I agree it is subjective, but still it is probably agreeable to a lot. The whole UI is still the same as before. They use a single button to accomplish 10 different things. Press the button one way and you get the homescreen, another way and you get access to task manager, another way and voice control. that is not particularly a fun thing to do. And then the homescreen is near useless for productivity.
For the first few generations of iOS, they were fine. But as the OS refines, it should try to change some of the ailing aspects of it. But they aren't doing that. And I bet even people like you and me can come up with those things. Most improvements to iOS that were "cool" came from the Jailbreak community (the stuff on the lockscreen giving info about various things - they hired a Jailbreaker to code it into iOS)
So, give me a break when you defend a company. When an ordinary developer on XDA or elsewhere can themselves come up with an idea that seems obvious (I mean, right from day one I was frustrated that my iPod touch did nothing on the homescreen other than just show me a wallpaper) I think I have justified what I mean by even I can do better than Apple.
It is a figure of speech, damnit! Why don't you see that and take it at face value and instead think of me as arrogant. I am just a frustrated ex-iOS user who understands both sides and kinda hates seeing Apple dig its own grave, slowly.... Marketing can take you only so far when people realize that they aren't getting what they want from their phone... and of course, there are iSheep as well... anyway point made. See y'all!
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Side note: So as a consumer, you rather have a company MAKE the MOST profit out of you rather than they innovate? Are you telling me you are a billionaire and you wish for these greedy corporations to take more of your hard-earned money and rip you off more easily? Doesn't sound look good advice to me.

litetaker said:
You are making hasty conclusions and clubbing different sentences of mine out of context! Oh my gawd! How is it difficult for people to understand the following simple point I am making!?
Let me break it down for you, Internet style:
1) Do you think Apple is making the best and most innovative product every year?
A) NO.
2) Why?
A) Clearly there isn't one feature on iPhone 5 that isn't already there elsewhere. They just caught up with others. No innovation, and I am a sad panda.
3) Do you think spending some money in a multibillion dollar company for innovation is a good idea?
A) Yes. It will help differentiate their product and add value to it so people find it worth buying.
4) Do you think that will reduce profits?
A) In the long term definitely not. In the short term, may be but given the size of the company it is clearly worth investing for R&D.
5) Did other companies make interesting innovations THAT APPLE hasn't made?
A) Hell yes.
And (5) is my point people! Stop blindly trying to defend a corporation you like and just hear me out once. All I am saying is, and I bet you will agree, is that Apple didn't improve upon their OS/product in certain aspects thereby leading to not the best of the breed. I agree it is subjective, but still it is probably agreeable to a lot. The whole UI is still the same as before. They use a single button to accomplish 10 different things. Press the button one way and you get the homescreen, another way and you get access to task manager, another way and voice control. that is not particularly a fun thing to do. And then the homescreen is near useless for productivity.
For the first few generations of iOS, they were fine. But as the OS refines, it should try to change some of the ailing aspects of it. But they aren't doing that. And I bet even people like you and me can come up with those things. Most improvements to iOS that were "cool" came from the Jailbreak community (the stuff on the lockscreen giving info about various things - they hired a Jailbreaker to code it into iOS)
So, give me a break when you defend a company. When an ordinary developer on XDA or elsewhere can themselves come up with an idea that seems obvious (I mean, right from day one I was frustrated that my iPod touch did nothing on the homescreen other than just show me a wallpaper) I think I have justified what I mean by even I can do better than Apple.
It is a figure of speech, damnit! Why don't you see that and take it at face value and instead think of me as arrogant. I am just a frustrated ex-iOS user who understands both sides and kinda hates seeing Apple dig its own grave, slowly.... Marketing can take you only so far when people realize that they aren't getting what they want from their phone... and of course, there are iSheep as well... anyway point made. See y'all!
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Side note: So as a consumer, you rather have a company MAKE the MOST profit out of you rather than they innovate? Are you telling me you are a billionaire and you wish for these greedy corporations to take more of your hard-earned money and rip you off more easily? Doesn't sound look good advice to me.
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My point is that from a business standpoint with that type of attitude you would run the company into the ground.
From an "innovative" standpoint those are your opinions on iOS, which mirror everyone who doesn't like iOS's opinions. We've heard it a million times from every user on these forums.
You disagree with how Apple is run, that's fine. But this is all arbitrary and subjective. There plenty of "intelligent" people who could provide a good argument for iOS 6 being better than JellyBean, starting with the malware ratio for one.
Every one of your questions/answers is arbitrary. That's why we have choices. Don't like iOS? buy Android. Don't like either? Buy WP8. Don't like one of those 3? Tough ****.
Let's go thru your checklist as an Apple fan would (you can see from my signature which phone I currently love to rock).
1) Yes, they always have the fastest CPU/GPU, the best battery life, the best DPI (except maybe a couple crazy ass Japanese phones), arguably the best camera only to be compared with PureView, and the best form factor.
2) Let's talk features. There was already no competitor for Siri on the 4S. S Voice utterly sucks and doesn't recognize what I say half the time. Google Now is kinda cool but doesn't talk back the same way as Siri does, now with iOS 6 update it takes it to a new level. The form factor is the best. Not cheap Samsung plastic, Aluminum + Glass on the back, squared form factor with a new elongated 4" screen that you can STILL easily hold and type with one hand. The A6 processor out benches even the new exynos quad core.
3) They have an R&D department...
4) If you spend too much on R&D and not enough on other things, then yes, you have to have the perfect balance like Apple.
5) Yes, just like Apple has made innovations that others haven't made. Hence choices...
You see, it can be argued either way.
Your opinion is that Apple isn't "innovative" same as most of the people on XDA, you're not bringing anything new to light. You're just saying you don't think Apple is "innovative"
That's fine, you can have your opinion, but that's all it is, opinion.
side note;
all of your side note is conjecture. You think Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt aren't in it for the money you are insane. But they also want to make cool **** I'm sure, just like Apple does.

orangekid said:
My point is that from a business standpoint with that type of attitude you would run the company into the ground.
From an "innovative" standpoint those are your opinions on iOS, which mirror everyone who doesn't like iOS's opinions. We've heard it a million times from every user on these forums.
You disagree with how Apple is run, that's fine. But this is all arbitrary and subjective. There plenty of "intelligent" people who could provide a good argument for iOS 6 being better than JellyBean, starting with the malware ratio for one.
Every one of your questions/answers is arbitrary. That's why we have choices. Don't like iOS? buy Android. Don't like either? Buy WP8. Don't like one of those 3? Tough ****.
Let's go thru your checklist as an Apple fan would (you can see from my signature which phone I currently love to rock).
1) Yes, they always have the fastest CPU/GPU, the best battery life, the best DPI (except maybe a couple crazy ass Japanese phones), arguably the best camera only to be compared with PureView, and the best form factor.
2) Let's talk features. There was already no competitor for Siri on the 4S. S Voice utterly sucks and doesn't recognize what I say half the time. Google Now is kinda cool but doesn't talk back the same way as Siri does, now with iOS 6 update it takes it to a new level. The form factor is the best. Not cheap Samsung plastic, Aluminum + Glass on the back, squared form factor with a new elongated 4" screen that you can STILL easily hold and type with one hand. The A6 processor out benches even the new exynos quad core.
3) They have an R&D department...
4) If you spend too much on R&D and not enough on other things, then yes, you have to have the perfect balance like Apple.
5) Yes, just like Apple has made innovations that others haven't made. Hence choices...
You see, it can be argued either way.
Your opinion is that Apple isn't "innovative" same as most of the people on XDA, you're not bringing anything new to light. You're just saying you don't think Apple is "innovative"
That's fine, you can have your opinion, but that's all it is, opinion.
side note;
all of your side note is conjecture. You think Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt aren't in it for the money you are insane. But they also want to make cool **** I'm sure, just like Apple does.
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Alright, I can agree with you here. Hmm... anyway, I really should think of a better topic to discuss on off-topic @xda. I kinda suck at picking good and "fun" things to argue about. Not even 3 pages, and already the debate here became heavy and I guess will eventually become pointless. Anyway, good to hear ur points too... I'm off to cooking up more light-hearted and probably more fun topics!
Up and away!

I'm only going to dispute one thing with you: the HTC Rezound has a higher PPI than the iPhone, and it certainly isn't some crazy Chinese phone lol.
iPhone 5 = 326PPI
Rezound = 342PPI
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litetaker said:
Alright, I can agree with you here. Hmm... anyway, I really should think of a better topic to discuss on off-topic @xda. I kinda suck at picking good and "fun" things to argue about. Not even 3 pages, and already the debate here became heavy and I guess will eventually become pointless. Anyway, good to hear ur points too... I'm off to cooking up more light-hearted and probably more fun topics!
Up and away!
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lol, every thread in this forum is pointless, and I argue just to argue half the time. Your topic was fine, I kinda just ran in a totally other direction with it.
If you just opened a thread saying "if you had a bagillion dollars what would you develop?" without using buzzwords like "iPhone" you'd do fine.
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I'm only going to dispute one thing with you: the HTC Rezound has a higher PPI than the iPhone, and it certainly isn't some crazy Chinese phone lol.
iPhone 5 = 326PPI
Rezound = 342PPI
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Word. Forgot about the 4.3" 720p.
BUT I said Japanese, not Chinese. I win!!

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The New OP was taken from this post. The original OP is here and the New OP from this post went to the OP making it the current OP
Well, it is a ballsy statement to say that one could run Apple better than someone experienced in the industry, especially since it is a multibillion dollar company. I say that smells.
Even I can run that company better and I have never, ever worked in an industry so far (unless you call interning at a company work experience).
It is not hard to see why. They are doing no innovation and 100% litigation. And all I see in their various products is upping the specs and prices and that's it. That is NOT innovation. It may be challenging to squeeze in more pixels in the same area, but guess WHAT. Apple didn't make that! It was hardworking other companies that manufacture better displays, better processors and chips that made that happen. Apple merely puts things together. In the light of this realization, we can clearly see that Apple did zilch, nada, शून्य, zéro, 零, нуль. No matter what language you speak, it will translate to "absolutely nothing". They did not improve the OS, just did minor tweaks or introduced features no one cares about (Siri, iMessages is a failure in implementation, facebook integration that I can do without, more facebook in my life != better life). Oh they added a new row of static and boring icons. If you see the jailbreak community, a good chunk of iOS users hate the interface and still stick with it. Beyond my understanding.
Oh, did I say absolutely nothing? My bad, I meant yes they did something alright - slow down an entire industry via litigation because "they couldn't come up with a new idea, boo-fricking-hoo!" It makes me think of the spoiled brat in the sandbox who fell down and wants to make others fall down too as he got hurt.
Side note: I never really thought Steve Jobs was involved in all the decisions made for the iPhone, but now it looks like he may have spear-headed the iPhone division after all. After he passed away, looks like the hard work he put in and the company he built is gonna die again (sad in some ways but also serves them right for bringing bad karma by suing Android and the Android device manufacturers).
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Long story short, I want this thread to be innovative, wacky, weird and funny ideas for the following question:
What would you do differently, if you were the CEO of Apple?
Try to think without fanboy-ism. Imagine you were suddenly given control to this powerful corporation, you need no longer think about Android and all, so let your answer NOT be to destroy iOS and let Android win. Though that would be awesome. I want to see if we can come up with better products AND features in existing ones to warrant the name of this topic (which is we can run Apple better than Apple).
commence the scuffle!
orangekid said:
lol, every thread in this forum is pointless, and I argue just to argue half the time. Your topic was fine, I kinda just ran in a totally other direction with it.
If you just opened a thread saying "if you had a bagillion dollars what would you develop?" without using buzzwords like "iPhone" you'd do fine.
Word. Forgot about the 4.3" 720p.
BUT I said Japanese, not Chinese. I win!!
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Well, frankly they are Taiwanese! Whoops, you lose again!

+1 for the शून्य thing!

This forum has been overrun with Apple/iOS/iPhone threads lately. For the Android fan boys some of you claim to be, you seem extremely obsessed with Apple. I am not talking about any one person or group, just in general. js

litetaker said:
Ok. One of the points I meant by this WHOLE thread was NOT about how you can improve iOS or iPhone. Frankly there are way too many people who already postulated that on the whole of XDA and the interwebs.
I want to encourage people replying to this thread to put on their thinking caps, and think of what sort of futuristic product they can think of that may very well be a potential innovation from Apple. Not a phone, nor an iPad, nothing about iOS. Break free from that shackle. Steve always said that there is no way you can make a great product buy surveying the market and asking them what they want as consumers never know what they want until they see it and so you should think what will be the next revolution....
Soooooooooo...
The idea of this thread is this: (which got lost due to my frankly poor OP)
What would you say the next innovation is.
(P.S: I mention Apple in this thread a lot because traditionally they really where the pioneers of most major trends in electronics - Mac for GUI, then iPods then the in thing - smartphones with great GUI).
Soooooo, commence the scuffle!
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lol touche.
Well to answer you, I think Google Goggles used with AR in a sort of virtual world in plain site like that book Daemon would be pretty awesome.

is there a thread for "Why i hate android?" around here

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is there a thread for "Why i hate android?" around here
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Yes..should be somewhere around iphone-developers.com!
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first thing that needs to b done is make it open source
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[Q] Articles regarding the intelligence of Android users

Hello forum, I'm a newbie.
Recently I came across an article explaining and comparing the intelligence of Android users to iOS users. I wasn't to shocked to see that biased opinions of course. I found the whole article quite ridiculous and in some cases pretentious.
I was an iOS user, I have iPods and iPads but I use an Android because I prefer the full customisation. I don't enjoy a manufacturers software to define what I need, I prefer enjoying the personal experience and I'm a control freak too. I might add, iOS bores me.
So here we go, I think it's quite shocking how articles such as these are posted, very disappointed in fact as it proves nothing. I know several Android users who are engineers, me being one. But I am also a creative. I know many smart people that use iOS because they prefer the easy user face the 'I don't need to think about it' platform. I know hairdressers that use Android, I know mentally disabled people with very low IQ who use iOS just fine. It varies. Like I say the whole thing completely through me back because I never knew such stereotypes exsisted. So they say iOS users are wealthy? That's ridiculous, one doesn't have to own a beautiful home because he drives a Porsche. I know many who choose to spend less because quite frankly they're smarter than spending hundreds on a handset that cost pittance to make.
So what do you all think? It intrigued me because this is what I feel - it takes all sorts. I have an IQ of 135, I tested for 140, but I do not judge myself on my ability and intelligence, but I do feel that the iOS is simply boring. I sold my iPhone 4. Most iOS users maybseem to be gamers, ' hitting a button to hear a 'fart' sound' whilst Android users like myself I guess, use my Samsung Note for word blogs, emails, Internet browsing and presentations. But then, I know pretentious iOS users who only own a handset because it has the forbidden fruit logo plastered on it. I tend to think Apple followers would be so loyal that should Apple release a gadget in the shape of a foot, that coast £80 to make, sell it for £700, with failing software... it would sell. How a icon means so much.
I don't want to offend or upset anyone. But what do you think?
Thanks
P.s I have designed apps for the iOS, like sucking eggs. I have also flashed many android units also. It's varied for me. I'm just interested to hear your opinion.
Thanks for reading.

So it was saying that iOS users are wealthy? I just only skimmed through it. I would say because of their prices, you probably have some money to spare to buy something like that. A lot of people can't afford to spend $800 on a phone or tablet. But it doesn't mean that they're incredibly wealthy.
As for your IQ, I hope you didn't use an online IQ test.
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Source?

One and done? lol

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Josepho1997 said:
So it was saying that iOS users are wealthy? I just only skimmed through it. I would say because of their prices, you probably have some money to spare to buy something like that. A lot of people can't afford to spend $800 on a phone or tablet. But it doesn't mean that they're incredibly wealthy.
As for your IQ, I hope you didn't use an online IQ test.
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No, not online, I completely avoid them! Tried that some years back!, Used a professional board beginning with M.