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[Q] Does ROM Manager back up the ENTIRE phone?

Silly noob-like question, but I wanted to make sure before I continued messing with my phone.
Does ROM Manager back up EVERYTHING on the phone? For example, I backup my rom. Move the backup file onto my pc. Then I screw around with roms, lag fixes, etc. and totally screw it up. If I "restore" the backup made by ROM Manager, will all my apps, settings, desktop, data files, etc be exactly as they were before I started screwing around?
Or, would I need to use Odin to load the same ROM as that which was backed up and then run Rom Manager Restore?
Thanks!

Yes it does
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Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.

Deca4 said:
Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.
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Actually I am trying to figure out the same thing. I made a backup before I started messing around with lag fixes, different roms and so forth. Then the other day I tried to restore a rom it didn't work. Eventually I soft bricked the phone and had to make the USB Jig to get it working again. Needless to say I am very intrigued with what exactly Rom Manager does backup and its limitations but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I am thinking the reason my backup was screwed up was because of a lag fix, only problem is I can't remember what lag fix I had on it when I did the initial recovery.

Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.

diablo009 said:
Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.
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Interesting, it would makes sense in what you are saying. My error that I go was when I went from my original JH7 backup, installed a rom based on JH6 and then tried to install my original backup. I might have to try JH6 roms and see if I can restore to them easily or not. I will have to wait for Micro USB cables to come in as I don't have a spare since I used my only cable to make the JIG.

The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.

I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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This is what I have read about it as well

Voodoo
There is also a different version of CWM Recovery (what Rom Manager uses to back things up) for the voodoo lag fix.

tnerb123 said:
I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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It works. I backed up and restored a few variants of Froyo ROMs.

peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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How do I backup these? Is there any way?

If Ron Manager does backup the kernel and modem why would so many people have problems restoring back to different Roms? This is why I am so puzzled with this software.
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Rom Manager can backup EFS folder ??
i lost my imei and the only backup that i have its from Ron Manager

Absolutely it does there!

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but best bet is backup from recovery. Saves everything down to browser login data. Can't go wrong with a full backup! I make one every time I flash just about anything.
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Rom Manager vs CWM Recovery
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:

dobi3 said:
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:
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Agreed!
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[Q] on flashing rom to rooted phone

Hi all, I'm going to not try and sound too noobish, but after reading for hours I still have a couple questions. I have a Moto Droid with 2.2 Froyo that I just rooted. I use Rom Manager last night to put on Cyanogen but when it booted I had lost all apps, contacts, market so I reverted back to stock. I just got titanium backup pro which I read should load all my apps/contacts etc once I load Cyanogen? I just want to make sure I'm running the programs in the correct order.
One other issue I have is that I am currently using Setcpu to overclock to the max it's allowing which is 800 megahertz. Do I need to uninstall this before I load Cyanogen? Because I know that it is going to max me out at 600 unless I load another Kernal to go higher which I would like to do, which is another thing I was looking for instructions to do but having difficulty at least for my model.
I've found some P3 kernals, I'm not sure if theyre compatible with Cyanogen or how I would know which one to get though.
Any help is appreciated, I'm new to the rom stuff but learn fast.

oh man, I was hoping someone would know

anyone? please?

Allright well I've figured out which P3 kernel I am going to use. My latest issue is when I install Cyanogen, all my apps except for Rom Manager and Terminal Emulator are gone. Now I backed up everything with Titanium, but that is gone as well. It seems like a catch 22 to try and restore your apps and the restoring app itself is gone. Any ideas?

Go download titanium from the marketplace and reinstall. Your apps will then be able to be restored. I run cm 6.1 RC4 and use the P3droid 250/1100 MHz kernel. You'll also want to install setCPU from the marketplace to set the cpu speed profiles. Good luck! You'll really dig it once you have everything dialed in.
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Hey Maxnicks, maybe you know the answer to this one as well:
I've only been using CM since 6.0 and I want to finally update it to 6.1 but just a few questions. As far as updating goes, do you have to wipe your data in Rom Manager like you would do going from stock to CM? 2nd, when you update, do you lose all your apps like you do going from stock to a new rom? I used titanium backup before to restore after 6.0, but this time I'm going to update the rom through Rom Manager so it's a little different. Last,I have the P3 Kernal overclocked, will this stay at my current settings or do I need to reinstall it after 6.1 is on there. Sorry for the questions but I tried googling and not much exists comparing CM update vs installing it over stock.

First make a back up of current rom in rom manager in case want/have to flash back. When updating same rom, might be able to get away without wiping, try without if any trouble with 6.1 flash back to previous then try a wipe. On kernel you will have to go into recovery to flash back to the p3 as all roms come with one, usually top out at 600/800 or so. Once flash new rom with gapps all apps should download thru market. I currently am running 6.1 with p3 125-1100 kernel with no problems other than usual launcher re-draw. Good luck
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[Q] Motorola Droid

After rooting 2.2.1/FRG83d w/ superoneclick how do make nandroid back up?

Noob here. I agree. I rooted with SuperOneClick and overclocking the SetCPU, now the next step is a Nandroid backup. Anything I've found is actually kinda old and does not relate to 2.2.1/FRG83D.

boycef26 said:
After rooting 2.2.1/FRG83d w/ superoneclick how do make nandroid back up?
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Well you can but its always best to do one before you install a different rom. Are you planning one installing a different rom?

nandroid back up
After looking and looking, I think rom manager has this built into it. They use clockworkmod recovery to do this, instead of sprecovery. The pro's out there can correct me if I'm wrong and I hope they do!!

^Yes. Download rom manager from the market & flash Clockwork or spr. Boot into your new recovery & make a nandroid backup.

Help!

So I'm trying to root my friends hero and install a 2.2 rom since her stock 2.1 is really slow and freezes a lot. But the whole process is so different from when rooting my Epic 4g and I'm completely lost! Is there anyone who can simplify the instructions for a dummy like myself please! Lol

I'm pretty new to this and just went through rooting and installing the new Gingerbread (2.3) ROM this last weekend. Very happy with it and it's been stable and fast. If you still want to go 2.2, the backup and rooting should still be the same. Here's what I did while it's still fresh in my memory.
Step 1
Before doing anything make sure to back up data from the SD card like pictures and music. Also back up the call log and SMS.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/sms-backup-restore
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/call-logs-backup-restore
You will also need to install HTC Sync, the Android SDK, and USB drivers to your computer, because you may need to fall back on it for several steps, or fix any mistakes.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
http://www.htc.com/us/support/hero-sprint/downloads/
Step 2
Rooting - the Z4 method is supposed to be easier,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
but this is the one that worked for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=804296
Step 3
Once you do have root, install a recovery and Nandroid your current settings to have a working install you can return to if need be. I used ClockworkMod and updated to version 3 for Gingerbread, the regular 2.5 version should work for Eclair (2.2) ROMs.
ClockworkMOD, start with ROM Manager from the Android Market. You can flash CWM right from the ROM Manager and then tell it to reboot into Recovery so you can do the backup and flash the new radio and ROM.
Taking ClockworkMOD to 3.0.0.5 for GB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929628 (Method II worked for me)
http://romrepo.info/wiki/index.php?title=Flash_the_ClockworkMod_Recovery
Step 4
Flash your Radio
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853868
Step5
Next you can install the ROM you've chosen. You'll have to download and copy into the root of your SD card so the Recovery softward will find them.
Eclair 2.2, find the ROM you like. I chose 2.3 so I can't really help you here. You may want to try out the Cyanogen Froyo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755795
Here's some Froyo install instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7564841&postcount=34
ASOP Gingerbread 2.3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864403
Step by step 2.3
http://romrepo.info/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Also, don't forget the Google Apps
http://romrepo.info/wiki/index.php?title=GApps_Info
and Sprint Visual Voicemail (VVM)
http://romrepo.info/wiki/index.php?title=Install_Sprint_Visual_Voicemail
From there, you can do other mods like themes, play with CPU speed, download all the apps you use, and restore the SMS and call logs you backed up earlier.
I can't stress this part enough. Read the instructions that are posted with every step, several times. I spent a couple days familiarizing myself with each step and making sure I downloaded and copied everything I would need to the SD card.
Hope this helped, good luck!

Very concise set of instructions. Thanks.

I used z4root to initially root my phone, then I used clockwork to recover with cyanogenmod 6.1 stable. Also make sure you get the google/android Apps (like market and voicemail). z4root was fast and I rooted about 2 weeks ago, so it should theoretically still be up and running.
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I just cannot do a nandroid backup - help pls

Am on criskelo 11.2 with speedmod kernel 3.13.
All is fine, it appears I have root (titanium etc works) and a check with 'got root' returns an ok response.
The phone is behaving itself nicely and is nice and smooth.
The problem comes when I try and do a nandroid backup using cwm.
It gets a liitle way in and then freezes (forever!)
Things I've tried to cure this...
1) Rolling back to stock GB and then re-rooting, then full 3 wipes, then reinstall criskelo rom.
2) Rolling back to a pre-rooted GB rom, then all 3 wipes, then re-install croskelo
2) Flashing other kernels, notecore etc
3) Installing superuser 3.1.1.zip with cwm and its binary update.zip
4) Installing SuperSU app from play store - it says needs to update binaries, and when I try it just says 'installation failed!'
5) Installing superuser app from play, this time when I try and update binaries it does helpfully say ' remounting /system as rw... fail!'
which leads me to believe this is a root problem, even though no other app is complaining.
6) doing a search on this forum (before you all tell me to do this!)
I have been trying to solve this for over a week now, and it feels like I have read everything on this forum but I may have missed something.
Can anybody steer me in the right direction please?

Maybe you dont need a nandroid backup, it doesnt backup efs anyway.
Could be a kernel issue, or space issue. Not sure.
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baz77 said:
Maybe you dont need a nandroid backup, it doesnt backup efs anyway.
Could be a kernel issue, or space issue. Not sure.
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Cheers, you might be right, but I have always used nandroid before flashing a new rom,
may I ask what you use to backup then, when you change rom?

jonnybruce said:
Cheers, you might be right, but I have always used nandroid before flashing a new rom,
may I ask what you use to backup then, when you change rom?
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Have you tried updating cwm? I believe older versions had this problem.
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SpyderTracks said:
Have you tried updating cwm? I believe older versions had this problem.
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No I haven't Spyder, although I have tried a few different roms whic all have differing versions of cwm right?
which one is the latest then, and how do I install it, would it be an update zip?

jonnybruce said:
Cheers, you might be right, but I have always used nandroid before flashing a new rom,
may I ask what you use to backup then, when you change rom?
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I am a heavy flasher and prevent issues caused by restores to get a clean taste of roms. Nandroids I tried, but I havent found a rom I wanted to go back on always, flash so much that it just takes to long.
Efs with a tool in one if my threads, suggestion by Chasmodo. DrKetan has a good toolbox thread in general section.
I manually backup photos and such with a file explorer. Calander/Contacts/email in gmail,
whatsapp and special app stuff also manually transfer folder from sdcard and back.
Messages I dont care for. Neither made calls list.
Occasionally I do restore app if dissapeared from market with Titanium, but only app, not data. I save backups on external. Cause I clean sdcard also.
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jonnybruce said:
No I haven't Spyder, although I have tried a few different roms whic all have differing versions of cwm right?
which one is the latest then, and how do I install it, would it be an update zip?
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The latest version for Note N7K is 6.0.1.2.. chek the below link... download option is there
http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager/

jonny, i feel your problem is due to partial root.
could you copy files into system in root explorer ?
did adaway work in applying hosts file ?
for criskelo rom too you should choose CF root kernel during the flashing process, then later you may change to your preference

Thanks baz & nokia, much appreciated.
I am running PA 1.99 now and it has the new cwm (you can tell because it has a grey background now!)
And rraaka, you are correct, I cannot copy anything to system
Not sure how I can get full root back though, I have used Dr Ketans rooting tool many times to try and cure this issue as well as flashing pre-rooted GB roms with Odin.
Not sure what else I can do.
But am starting to agree with baz now, I can do without nandroid (it takes ages anyway) and just use titanium to restore.
Everything is working fine with my partial root (except nandroid) anyway so not sure I care anymore!
Am enjoying Paranoid Android by the way, JB is fun.
I do miss the samsung apps though, I don't suppose those have been jellybeaned yet??

nope not yet, nothing Touchwizz like spen etc.
There is a cwm flashable of samsung apps that works pretty good on cm9, not sure if it works on cm10 or jb.
gaining full root shouldnt be to difficult, update binaries and then you know for sure.
The one that has worked wel for me is the ssu only zip from this post but then again thats on stock stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1841288
For custom roms/kernels the ones supplied with it are build in to work out of the box.
Once fully clean install, a nandroid can work but thats fully clean
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Thanks baz, am going to go back to the start (stock ICS) and try that link to try and get my full root back, looks interesting.

Ok, I have full root again now!
here's what I think I remember what I did...
Downloaded the first two Su & busybox zips using method1 on the link that Baz kindly shared with me and popped them on my sd card ready.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1746794
Downloaded and flashed the latest UK Carphone Warehouse stock ICS rom with odin.
Rebooted to stock recovery - applied update zip - flashed first the SU and then Busybox zips downloaded earlier.
Rebooted phone to check all was ok.
Located superSU app and ran it to check - and first it said it didn't recognise my phone model, hmmm...
So I downloaded mobile odin from play and flashed abyss 4.2 kernel
Rebooted to recovery, full 3 wipes and rebooted system.
Ran superSU again and magically it updated binaries and for the first time in 2 weeks it said 'sucessful', I was very pleased!
Rebooted to recovery and flashed Criskelo 11.2 again (have gone back to this from PA until things are a bit more stable)
Restored all my apps from TB all good.
Checked Adaway and it was more than happy to replace host file, and root explorer is also happy.
Cool