Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
Too many people are trying to take the easy road and post a new thread on a subject or idea, usually asking a question about something that has already been answered instead of doing a simple search!
I've been a member here for a couple years now and haven't needed to post very much because, if you take the time, the information is out there. 99.9% of the time, you aren't the first person to ask a question, have a problem, or hit a wall.
If you're having trouble doing something that was posted in a thread, POST YOUR QUESTION IN THAT THREAD!!
It seems as though there are a lot of newbies who are anxious to root their Inc, which is fine: If you pay attention, read the instructions and most of the thread before you begin, and follow them to a T . Every time I have a problem either rooting or installing a ROM or something else, I am the one who did something wrong.
Some of you are probably new to the Thread concept, which is also fine. It's very frustrating getting used to how they work, and learning the "right" way to do things- but trust me, it's worth it.
Posting a new thread is like standing on a chair in the middle of a crowded room and screaming out a question. If your in the wrong room (i.e. wrong section), people are going to be upset. If the question was already answered by another group (i.e. another forum), people are also going to be upset. If you aren't sure if you should start a new thread, you probably shouldn't.
Take the time and READ THE RULES! Here they are if you don't know where to find them:
New forum rules, please read!
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
2. Member conduct.
2.1 Language: XDA is a worldwide community. As a result what is ‘ok’ to say in your part of the world may not be ok in someone else’s part of the world. Please think about who is reading what you write. Keep in mind that what you think of as acceptable use of language may not be acceptable to others. Conversely, while reading member posts, remember that word you find offensive may not be to the writer. Tolerance is a two way street.
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2.6 All members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules.
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You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
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We understand that with all the different nationalities not everyone speaks English well, but please try. If you're really unable to post in English use an online translator, You're free to include your original message in your own language below the English translation.
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As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
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If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
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Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
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If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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As an elaboration to rule number 7, don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. If you are the proprietor of a for-pay product or service, you may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or offer support on the product, but you may not make any posts with the primary intent of selling. This includes posting press releases, announcements, or links to downloads for trial software. The only exception to this is when you’re posting an exclusive release to XDA.
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Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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So instead of starting a new thread like "How do I.." or "Where do I" or "Why can't I..." Do a search of the threads, Google it, or even hop on over to PPC Geeks, Trust me- you'll find the answers you're looking for.
BTW - Thanks to Mikey1022 for moderating
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I wish people had to read this before they could post new threads. This forum seems to be worse than most of the other android forums on xda... not sure why.
Everyone who disagrees with this should check out the nexus one forum to get an idea of how lax things are here.
You better watch it. Some people may take offense to this. people also have to be aware when they do make a new thread that it is in the correct section. Too many questions are being posted in Development instead of General. Let's keep the sections on topic so people can find what they came looking for.
I agree, but I can see the other side as well.
The "Root process" thread is up to 108 pages. Sure, searching helps, but you are still poring over pages and pages of forums for hours. I kind of learned that this was the buy-in from my WinMo days, but that doesn't make it less frustrating.
One advantage to sticking to existing threads, however, is that people who are successful will probably post back to that thread, with any variations they used, whereas they are less likely to post to a new thread.
Calibob2001 said:
Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
Too many people are trying to take the easy road and post a new thread on a subject or idea, usually asking a question about something that has already been answered instead of doing a simple search!
I've been a member here for a couple years now and haven't needed to post very much because, if you take the time, the information is out there. 99.9% of the time, you aren't the first person to ask a question, have a problem, or hit a wall.
If you're having trouble doing something that was posted in a thread, POST YOUR QUESTION IN THAT THREAD!!
It seems as though there are a lot of newbies who are anxious to root their Inc, which is fine: If you pay attention, read the instructions and most of the thread before you begin, and follow them to a T . Every time I have a problem either rooting or installing a ROM or something else, I am the one who did something wrong.
Some of you are probably new to the Thread concept, which is also fine. It's very frustrating getting used to how they work, and learning the "right" way to do things- but trust me, it's worth it.
Posting a new thread is like standing on a chair in the middle of a crowded room and screaming out a question. If your in the wrong room (i.e. wrong section), people are going to be upset. If the question was already answered by another group (i.e. another forum), people are also going to be upset. If you aren't sure if you should start a new thread, you probably shouldn't.
Take the time and READ THE RULES! Here they are if you don't know where to find them:
So instead of starting a new thread like "How do I.." or "Where do I" or "Why can't I..." Do a search of the threads, Google it, or even hop on over to PPC Geeks, Trust me- you'll find the answers you're looking for.
BTW - Thanks to Mikey1022 for moderating
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
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You know they won't. The ones who post these repeated topics are the ones who freak out when they're lost, post a topic, and hit refresh all day instead of looking for the answer. The only ones who actually read this are the ones already pissed off about it.
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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LOL, I didn't even read it. Just scrolled to through the comments
bluetooth_decay said:
I agree, but I can see the other side as well.
The "Root process" thread is up to 108 pages. Sure, searching helps, but you are still poring over pages and pages of forums for hours. I kind of learned that this was the buy-in from my WinMo days, but that doesn't make it less frustrating.
One advantage to sticking to existing threads, however, is that people who are successful will probably post back to that thread, with any variations they used, whereas they are less likely to post to a new thread.
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There are so many pages of topics because of the issue that is being described. There is a very handy function called "search" that, while not perfect, at least narrows results down for you. You can search within a Section, Topic or down to a single thread for key words.
Odds are, if you are on here you know how to navigate the web. If you can't perform a basic search in a topic or thread then please don't try to root your phone or follow any instructions to change, modify or "hack" anything.
As was brought out by [OP], if you WANT to do something that you think will be useful to you, read up on it. If you do run into an issue, search the key word of your issue. Entering "boot loop", "frozen", "Error message 123" will return something to help you find your answer. Odds are, you are not alone and, if you find you are alone, return to the thread where you were following instructions to do whatever it was you want to do and post a reply describing your issues. [OP] or others who are familiar with the process will help. Patience is a must.
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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Far too long than I care to admit - My first draft was rather angry and the overtone has calmed quite a bit...
And even if ONE newbie reads it and gleans even a whisper of insight as to how to operate the forums, then I have been 100% successful- even if 1% of those who read it take this to heart, at this point, that's still 2 fewer Threads the moderators have to close down...
Trust me, no matter what you try to do, you cannot stop people from reposting over and over.
Trust me, no matter what forum I'm at, it's the same thing over and over. It ruins it for us that actually read stuff and search for a while before asking, but such is life.
Infact if you'd search you'd see that there are multiple threads of this nature all over every forum...I know I've seen quite a few on XDA alone.
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Infact if you'd search you'd see that there are multiple threads of this nature all over every forum...I know I've seen quite a few on XDA alone.
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So are you saying the op didn't take his own advice?
BTW I am glad someone changed the title of this thread as no one is going to respect your opinion when you start off that way.
On a side note I am new to this forum but from my experience thus far it has been very underwhelming. I made one thread and had issues with posters coming off as elitists. I don't know how modding gets done around here but until people can be civil this will always be a secondary place for me to post about Android news and the Droid Incredible.
I expected more from an XDA forum.
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So are you saying the op didn't take his own advice?
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What he's saying is that there are a lot of people who don't read the Forum rules and post new threads without doing a little research to figure things out for themselves. If you need help figuring things out, that's fine- but don't expect other people to do your leg work for you.
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On a side note I am new to this forum but from my experience thus far it has been very underwhelming. I made one thread and had issues with posters coming off as elitists. I don't know how modding gets done around here but until people can be civil this will always be a secondary place for me to post about Android news and the Droid Incredible.
I expected more from an XDA forum.
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I looked up your thread, and honestly I found the answer to both of your questions with a very simple Google search- These are the threads that frustrate members most. There is already a thread that addresses everything from unlocking to removing apps and it's HERE, or better yet, you can look HERE for a list of safe apps to remove and how to remove them... This is where your questions should probably be, not in a new thread.
There are a lot of helpful, knowledgeable people here, you just gotta learn to follow the rules...
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and honestly I found the answer to both of your questions with a very simple Google search
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So you suggest doing a google search instead of coming to these forums for an answer?
Calibob2001 said:
There is already a thread that addresses everything from unlocking to removing apps and it's HERE, or better yet, you can look HERE for a list of safe apps to remove and how to remove them... This is where your questions should probably be, not in a new thread.
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The first thread you linked to is a root thread that covers every topic under the sun. So according to you we should just have one thread on this entire forum and no one should post anything outside of it.
The second thread you linked to I posted in and got 1 answer but many other questions were unanswered.
Still you are coming off as a complete elitist and I don't know why this thread is stickied when on most other forums this would have been locked, especially with the condescending way you started things off.
That is just my two cents.
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firstly the rules are already out there: dont repost them asking people not to repost
secondly people do search, but you cant expect everyone to get the search terms right all the time and find what they want. also there are a lot of questions that may sound similar but are not. most of the folks on xda are good people who are trying to get answers and are not purposeful spamming douchebags, so stop the whining and dont read threads you dont want to.
[Q] Why is everyone posting into the Development section?
it's so extremely annoying, having to filter through tons of junk posts that should be in Q&A or General instead of actual Development question
if this goes one might suggest to enable the option "By Invite Only"
so that only Dev people will can access it, and other XDA members can access it only if invited by a Dev.
The answer to your question is several fold:
- First, some people don't read and/or don't care where they post.
- Second, there are some that think that the Development section is the only place to get answers to questions when that section is for Rom Development only and any closely linked technical conversations revolving around that topic.
- Third, which appears to applies to new users in particular, they google externally to the XDA site for an answer to a problem, their search results drop them straight into the Rom Development forum, they don't quite find what they are looking for and then proceed to post a question where it does not belong.
Our moderators work very hard to keep the fora tidy; however if people will not support that activity by posting in the right place then we end up fighting a losing battle.
I have 3 suggestions to help improve the situation:
- First, that you report any threads that are in the wrong fora so we can move them.
- Second, you all take time out to educate offenders yourselves, especially repeat offenders, on the benefits of posting in the right place.
- Third, people get into the habit of posting in the right fora first time and, whenever required, use google search to see if their question has already been posted and resolved BEFORE posting another thread.
I hope this is helpful.
Kind regards,
WB (XDA Moderating Team)
Do we have enough moderators or need more. I moderate on another forum and would be happy to throw my towel in if needed.
same, previously Mod of the now defund mytreo.net and, legit FlyFF USA MMORPG and some other lesser known forums.
the only problem of being a Mod, you have less time for everything else
Gents/Ladies,
Good quality people with a mature, adult approach to life, good decision making skills,an open mind, conflict management skills, a proven track record of positive help and support of this community and, above all, a great deal of common sense, are always welcome.
We have over 2 million users on here and an awful lot of fora so think carefully before you commit yourselves. However if I have failed to frighten you off please feel free to pm me and we can take it from there.
We have a defined process that we go through. Please be aware that an application does not guarantee that you will be accepted.
WB
PS: We undertook a massive cleaning exercise yesterday in the development forum. You should find it a lot cleaner than it was yesterday.
We still need your help to spot items that should not be in there and report them. We also need you to help implement the suggestions in my post above.
WB
Annoy the hell outta me. I like to wander the forums, but lately its a ***** trying to find development threads since they are all moved around. Now we have Nexus 3G and 4G ROMs that are similar other than model numbers all being moved to the General forum. Cyanogenmod Kangs, Miui ports, Bugless Beast. This is confusing as hell.
So maybe these aren't meeting the developement criteria to stay within sub-forum. But maybe its time to reconsider rules of the forums. For someone new jumping into these threads, this General Forum looks like ass. I can't even count how many ICS ROMs there are, and then have to I have to put my Sherlock Holmes hat on and investigate which one is for my device.
I know I can bookmark threads, and save favorites. But I like seeing buzz in the development forums by seeing what stays bumped. Can't really do that in the general.
Just my 2 pennies on all this moderator power tripping BS going on here.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G
I agree. I've sent messages to other mods and the only response i get is that they will look into it. It is definitely an unnecessary move on the mods part, but what can we do. Look for this thread to be locked also before too long, because it probably will be, your not allowed to express your opinion in the general section now either. I wish we could get more developers over on Rootzwiki. I don't see this happening on all of the other forums either.
Sent from my super sleek NS4G
Agree...
I couldn't agree more. I made a thread in the General Section, the main General section, not for any particular device. The thread was "Show your ICS home screens". I said in the thread, "Here's my current setup on NS4G". So they moved the thread to Nexus s general. then another modderator moved it again. I gave up.
Devs come on to post thir work, they can't post in certain forums or post links until they have posted X amount of times. I get the idea, but it's stupid! I can open a new user acct, go to the iphone section post 10 posts totally unreleated to android, then come back to the Android section, & like magic, I'm qualified to post in the dev threads.
Another thing is the mods pissing off the devs. A development forum without developers posting to it won't stand long.
I can't believe this thread isn't already closed...
I also agree with everything that was said. Another issue that chaps my ass is the retards running rampant in development threads. Shame that the knowledgeable, skilled developers are treated like dogs while idiots who can't even make a phone call are allowed to clog up threads and curse at people who try to help them.
This forum has very quickly become unbearable to frequent. I know it's a free world and I'm free to post elsewhere, but what drew me to xda was its reputation as a true developer's site. Very sad to see what it's become.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App
Ya, I also agree. It's a mess around here. This site was always my first stop in the morning. Now I hit Rootz Wiki and a few others.
And the General forum. Sheesh!
Agreed. With everything said here. This place is a cluster***.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
The best way to search threads is to go to google....
Then type what you want and at the end of your search criteria;
Type "xda"
This will pull the thread you need right up.
Hope this helps.
I have to agree as well. I don't know how the other phone sections are looking, but the Nexus S section is way too messy, not to mention the fact that 2 of the best Roms (GPA19 and Oxygen) are not even on this site. You gotta ask why the good developers are not on this site anymore. Yet Drew Garen's crap is everywhere. I have been using this site for over 4 years and this is the worst it has ever been. Something needs to change, and quickly.
*UPDATE* Jesus, as I was typing this the thread was moved. This is exactly what we are talking about here. Quit doing this stupid ****.
I guess I'm the only one here that thinks you basically need to learn how to use the forums, rather than expect them to suit your ideal. There's a few million other members to consider.
Lets see:
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Not defined
Orange....
makes me wonder
Listen you guys...if you seem to have an issue with anything on this site and have already contacted "The Mods" and have not been replied properly..contact the Administrators with your concerns instead of opening yet another "Boo-hoo..I hate this site and everything it stands for but I'ma continue to download anyway" thread.
Thread closed because I felt the need to do so and to flex my Mod muscles....Ta-ta
M_T_M
Ok, this is getting crazy over here. Why on earth can we not have a SINGLE THREAD about Android L? It is the biggest release for Android and some people are excited. Everybody was confined to one thread prior to this, and guess what? That thread was closed. Why? Because people were apparently "spamming questions" (I didn't read through the entire thread so I don't know exactly what was going down, but the last couple pages didn't see all that bad).
Every other thread now is getting shut down. Seriously, what does it matter if people are asking too much? They are excited! Closing all of these threads are just going to make new people (those who weren't here last night or today) keep posting more topics on the matter. So what if people are being annoying. That main thread that was closed still had some genuine people in it. Who cares if there are a few people throughout the thread asking too much? Let them be! At least it is in one thread and not making a mess of this and the Q&A forum, likes its been since the main thread was closed.
Let this topic stay please, and let anybody speculate, ask questions, build hype or whatever towards Dev preview!
May I just remind everybody who would say something along the lines of "Oh XDA is a developer forum not blah blah blah", which is what I have seen numerous times in these topics that have been closed:
Quoted Directly above the threads here in General!
"Since this is not a development section, you can post on general topics that all users will encounter with the Nexus 5. Any registered XDA user can post in this forum."
I believe all users will encounter Android L, so why can't there be speculation, posts about things that were discovered, new pictures ect.? Look I know it gets annoying, but that's when it is all over the forum. Can we just keep this one topic open and confine everybody to it? It will make those who want to talk about it happy for they have a place and it will make those annoyed happy for it is only one thread.
Noble cause, but it won't work. It will derail in a matter of seconds and none of us mods feel like taking on the burden of keeping it in check simply for speculation purposes. Wait for the test version to drop, until then nothing is allowed.
Thread closed.