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[Q] Is there an additional cost for "Mobile AP" use on Froyo

I've upgraded to the Froyo floating around here and there is the Mobile AP option in the wireless settings. Talking to my friend who has an Incredible, he says that Verizon charges $20 a month to use what I am assuming to be the equivalent thing but on their network.
What I want to know is, do you have to pay to use the built in Mobile AP setting, or should I download a different wifi tether app, or what?
Thanks!

vsboxerboy1 said:
I've upgraded to the Froyo floating around here and there is the Mobile AP option in the wireless settings. Talking to my friend who has an Incredible, he says that Verizon charges $20 a month to use what I am assuming to be the equivalent thing but on their network.
What I want to know is, do you have to pay to use the built in Mobile AP setting, or should I download a different wifi tether app, or what?
Thanks!
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No you don't have to pay to use it.

Thanks! Would you happen to know if my friend is correct in saying that he has to pay $20 / month to use the Incredible's version of this?
It seems so un-ATT not to charge for something....

My understanding of it is that the mobile ap option in the leaked froyo is free but not because att is deciding not to charge for it, it is because this is in fact a leaked version of froyo and when it officially comes out they will find a way to charge for it or just include an att version of it that you will have to pay for and this new application that will be on the official froyo will be the equivalent of what your friend has for verizon. Hope that helps and if you want to be extra careful just download one of the wireless tethering apps
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vsboxerboy1 said:
Thanks! Would you happen to know if my friend is correct in saying that he has to pay $20 / month to use the Incredible's version of this?
It seems so un-ATT not to charge for something....
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Oh ATT would love to have you believe you have to pay their twenty dollar subscription fee to enable tethering on your phone as well.
My guess (and this is just a guess as I have no experience with verizon) is if your friend can get either easy tether or another such app on his phone he would not need to pay them either. Again I don't know anything about verizon or the contract your friend has with them.

Yeah, I poked around a bit on the Incrdible subforum and it seems like all curernt wifi tether apps require root access, which he does not have (I don't want to be his IT guy so I'm not gonna root it for him lol)

vsboxerboy1 said:
I've upgraded to the Froyo floating around here and there is the Mobile AP option in the wireless settings. Talking to my friend who has an Incredible, he says that Verizon charges $20 a month to use what I am assuming to be the equivalent thing but on their network.
What I want to know is, do you have to pay to use the built in Mobile AP setting, or should I download a different wifi tether app, or what?
Thanks!
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What Data Plan do you have with AT&T? If you weren't grandfathered in on the old $30 unlimited plan and you exceed your cap you could end up paying quite a bit for tethering.

ranjo65 said:
What Data Plan do you have with AT&T? If you weren't grandfathered in on the old $30 unlimited plan and you exceed your cap you could end up paying quite a bit for tethering.
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how can you "exceed a cap" on an "unlimited plan"?

dayv said:
how can you "exceed a cap" on an "unlimited plan"?
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You can't.
But there was a point at which you would raise flags and be investigated.

MikeyMike01 said:
You can't.
But there was a point at which you would raise flags and be investigated.
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Investigated for what exactly? Who would do the investigating? And a what point would the flags raise?

dayv said:
how can you "exceed a cap" on an "unlimited plan"?
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Read a little slower next time. I said if he wasn't ("weren't") grandfathered in on the unlimited plan.

dayv said:
Investigated for what exactly? Who would do the investigating? And a what point would the flags raise?
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1. Excessive data usage, even on an unlimited plan. (A clue to tethering when tethering isn't allowed...like, say, with a Captivate.
2. AT&T
3. Don't know.

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ranjo65 said:
Read a little slower next time. I said if he wasn't ("weren't") grandfathered in on the unlimited plan.
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I am a slow reader, but I still missed that up. LOL

dayv said:
I am a slow reader, but I still missed that up. LOL
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No worries.

I have unlimited data, grandfathered in.
My friend has unlimited data as well, but AFAIK there isn't an easy root solution for the Incredible yet - thus, there is no wifi tether app (that I know of) for him to use.

vsboxerboy1 said:
I have unlimited data, grandfathered in.
My friend has unlimited data as well, but AFAIK there isn't an easy root solution for the Incredible yet - thus, there is no wifi tether app (that I know of) for him to use.
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The simple answer is - if you use tethering and not paying for it, then you are violating the terms of service. Tethering is officially a separate product.
But, the captivate has no AT&T tethering app, so they have no easy way to monitor tethering usage. If you use a lot of data, they may start looking, and even then, they have to do some deep packet inspection to determine that you are tethering and not doing all this on your phone - and even deep packet inspection is not 100% conclusive as you could say you are using a custom browser that makes your phone look like Firefox on Windows 7.
So even if they were suspicious, all they could first is send you a letter about bandwidth. They would have a hard time proving anything. BUT, they can always terminate service - they can say they don't want you as a customer any more.
The only people that get in trouble for tethering are the ones that run their whole house internet off their phone. Occasional use, and under 5GB per month, and they wont bother you.

alphadog00 said:
The simple answer is - if you use tethering and not paying for it, then you are violating the terms of service. Tethering is officially a separate product.
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What? If this is true, and by this logic, I must be violating my terms of service every time I use google navigator -- after all att has their own paid subscription for att navigator.
I must be violating my terms of service every time i use dropbox since att paid service net share and storage.
I must be violation my terms of service every time i use google talk to send a text message since att has a texting plan.
I must be violating my terms of service every time i use a non att product or service on my phone if att offers a paid version of that service.
As far as tethering being an "officially separate product" exactly what do I get from att if I pay them for their subscription tethering plan and I have a captivate? I will tell you, I would get nothing, nada, zilch. ATT has no tethering product for the captivate, even though they are more than happy to charge anyone willing to pay for it.

As far as I'm concerned, and I'm not all that concerned, I pay for the phone, the data, and the rest of the services, I shall use them as I want to. Mind you I will be smart about it as I only have a 200MB a month plan, but that's not a lot of usage and would probably never raise a red flag to AT&T.
To tether or not to tether! It's not really a question anymore.

dayv said:
What? If this is true, and by this logic, I must be violating my terms of service every time I use google navigator -- after all att has their own paid subscription for att navigator.
I must be violating my terms of service every time i use dropbox since att paid service net share and storage.
I must be violation my terms of service every time i use google talk to send a text message since att has a texting plan.
I must be violating my terms of service every time i use a non att product or service on my phone if att offers a paid version of that service.
As far as tethering being an "officially separate product" exactly what do I get from att if I pay them for their subscription tethering plan and I have a captivate? I will tell you, I would get nothing, nada, zilch. ATT has no tethering product for the captivate, even though they are more than happy to charge anyone willing to pay for it.
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Important distinction being that tethering may be a violation of your services contract. Nothing seems to indicate that "duplicating core functionality" (thanks for the term, Apple) constitutes a violation of AT&T's acceptable use policy.
I just browsed through some of the restrictions listed on AT&T's website. I did see some information about plans that do include tethering, but I did not find an express prohibition of tethering for other plans. Seemed that the tethering plans may have just eased the process. I am personally on an unlimited plan, but since this isn't offered anymore I was not able to find the specific terms of this plan. Can anybody point to an actual paragraph in a terms of use statement or contractual language expressly prohibiting tethering?
Also, has anybody actually been "flagged" for tethering? I'm curious because it seems that warnings abound, but I've yet to see a person actually complain of having been so much as given notice of violation by AT&T.
Thanks. My first post. I like this place.

Wireles hotspot for non rooted Verizon ?

I have a non rooted stock ROM, is there any hotspot wifi app available for the TBolt ?
I had the Samsung Droid Charge and I found an app from SVTP that allowed hotspot without Verizon charges.

valv507 said:
I have a non rooted stock ROM, is there any hotspot wifi app available for the TBolt ?
I had the Samsung Droid Charge and I found an app from SVTP that allowed hotspot without Verizon charges.
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Try this
Or THIS

Those are for Tethering, not WiFi Hotspot, but thanks anyway.

valv507 said:
Those are for Tethering, not WiFi Hotspot, but thanks anyway.
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Well you do realize that tethering will also allow you to use your device's connection through a PC or laptop, right?
Similar concept, just uses USB instead of wifi.
Anyway, here is a WIFI APP (no root needed)

Can't verizon bust you for this?, I'm not trying to do the "holier than thou" thing, because I am interested in this...Just was wondering...I know at&t started nailing people for it.

ronartest2005 said:
Can't verizon bust you for this?, I'm not trying to do the "holier than thou" thing, because I am interested in this...Just was wondering...I know at&t started nailing people for it.
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I believe the running concensus is that yes, they can bust you. Possibly by sending you a bill and/or enrolling you in the wifi tether plan. I'm sure they could legally void your contract and/or refuse service to you as well (there goes that grandfathered unlimited data plan). That said, I don't know how many cases there are of them actually doing this, so from what I've seen, people say to just keep it within reason.

Tether on unlimited AT&T plan with Developer Edition?

Does anyone know if we will be able to utilize cellular data tethering using the HTC One developer edition on an unlimited AT&T plan? That could put the developer edition over the top for me compared to the subsidized device from AT&T. Thanks.

Its the same device, if its not in your contract that you can tether then no you can't without violating your contract.
There are various ways to tether if you wish to, but the device isn't going to magically trick at&t that you aren't tethering
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superchilpil said:
Its the same device, if its not in your contract that you can tether then no you can't without violating your contract.
There are various ways to tether if you wish to, but the device isn't going to magically trick at&t that you aren't tethering
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When I got the unlocked galaxy nexus tethering wasn't disabled like it has been on every subsidized android device I've owned. Wasn't sure if that was a nexus thing or an unlocked/unbranded device thing.

So does anyone know if tethering would be enabled or is it something that AT&T has the ability to block from the carrier end?

On the developer edition it should work without having to pay extra. AT&T branded phones have addition software that ties into your account to allow or disallow tethering. This won't have that software obviously.

NextNexus said:
So does anyone know if tethering would be enabled or is it something that AT&T has the ability to block from the carrier end?
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It's likely that you will be able to tether, since the phone will not check with the carrier if the tethering feature is enabled. Regardless, AT&T will still notice that you are tethering, because they can differentiate packets originating from other devices. If you use a lot of data, even just a short tether will raise a flag and you'll get a text or a letter from AT&T, saying that they want to switch your unlimited plan to a capped one.

I bet HTC would or will be providing the dev imei's to att since they all are in bed with the useless carriers.
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mgxplyr said:
It's likely that you will be able to tether, since the phone will not check with the carrier if the tethering feature is enabled. Regardless, AT&T will still notice that you are tethering, because they can differentiate packets originating from other devices. If you use a lot of data, even just a short tether will raise a flag and you'll get a text or a letter from AT&T, saying that they want to switch your unlimited plan to a capped one.
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I've literally been using tethering without paying for it on my unlimited plan for years by buying unlocked phones. They have never noticed. I don't go crazy with it though. I use around 500MB via tethering each month when I'm on the go and need to get some work done.

This is very good news if true. I'll be going with the dev edition.

I'm using a new plan they have called 'mobile share' and it has tethering included for free. I use so little data I went with the 1GB plan (I'm almost always on wifi) but an upgrade isn't terribly expensive.
I had been using a 550 minute, 300MB data plan with no texting for my wife and I but this new plan only costs $15 more and gives us unlimited calls and texting with free tethering on 1GB shared data.

Honestly, if ATT does it like VZW, they have a built-in "entitlement check" in the database of the phone that tells it to talk to the mobile carrier for authentication.
I'm not sure if this phone will try to handshake with ATT for verification, but if it doesn't that is a huge boost to people who'd normally have to pay for it or change plans.

kirdroid said:
I bet HTC would or will be providing the dev imei's to att since they all are in bed with the useless carriers.
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Tethering has nothing to do with your IMEI. I've been tethering on a AT&T branded One X (purchased directly from AT&T) practically since it was released last May. The phone will tether properly with any custom or stock rooted ROM, except for AT&T based ROMs; and on the AT&T based ROMs, it will tether with the proper hack.
My bet is that the unlocked One will be able to tether out of the box. But we won't know for certain until the devices are delivered, and somebody tries it.
The other thing to note, as another mentioned, AT&T can (and does) check on the network side for tethering. The exact methods and policies are unknown to probably anyone outside AT&T. But from what folks on XDA suspect, is that if your network usage is high, it will put you under scrutiny by AT&T. They will then look at the data packets, and see you are tethering. They give you one warning by SMS, and if they catch you tethering again, they will add a tethering plan on your account.
However, the monitoring process seems far from consistent. A few XDA users have reported receiving the tethering warning, despite swearing up and down that they never tethering even once. On the other hand, as I mentioned, I've tethered occasionally for years, and never received a warning. But I only use it for limited times, and for limited data amounts. Typically only while traveling, in a hotel where WiFi is not available, WiFi signal is too crappy, or WiFi charge by the hotel is excessively expensive. And then, I usually only tether to down/upload work emails and files, then disconnect.
Keep your usage low, and stay under the radar (so to speak) and you may be okay. But there are no guarantees.

Tethering - Your Carrier Knows and May Charge You

Just wanted to report a recent experience.
I was in the Netherlands, using an Italian Vodafone SIM on a US Play Store purchased Nexus 5.
I decided to try the native tethering. It worked. However, I also immediately received an SMS from Vodafone telling me I was using data outside my plan, and my account was debited 6 Euro for a couple of seconds of updating the NY Times on my Nexus 7 via tether.
So beware - even if your carrier does not block tethering, the Nexus 5 somehow reports that tether. It was not just packet inspection here, as the Nexus 7 tablet presumably uses the same type of data as the phone.

ronwi2 said:
Just wanted to report a recent experience.
I was in the Netherlands, using an Italian Vodafone SIM on a US Play Store purchased Nexus 5.
I decided to try the native tethering. It worked. However, I also immediately received an SMS from Vodafone telling me I was using data outside my plan, and my account was debited 6 Euro for a couple of seconds of updating the NY Times on my Nexus 7 via tether.
So beware - even if your carrier does not block tethering, the Nexus 5 somehow reports that tether. It was not just packet inspection here, as the Nexus 7 tablet presumably uses the same type of data as the phone.
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Not here in USA on at&t. Been doing it for years ..... as long as u use it just as a internet connection your fine ... If u start using a lot of data then yes they will send u a warning .

Since 4.2 carriers have been able to see when you're tethering.
Unfortunately I don't know a way around it, though thankfully my carrier simply blocks my internet for 30 minutes when it detects tethering
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Previous Devices: Motorola DEFY, HTC Sensation

Yeah, my S4 works fine, but when I use my N5 it detects it,, I am also on AT&T

I'm using a1 Austria network (5gb internet limit) and I don't seen this. I used tethering (150mb) and not received anything about it from my network. I don't understand why they charge more when you already paid for your internet in your phone. This is insane..
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Anyone know what the mechanism they added in 4.2 for reporting tethering to carriers is?
Is there an Xposed module that disables it, or are there custom ROMs with this "feature" disabled?

im from italy, with wind mobile I never had problems with thetering because they just simply allow it! 10gb per month at 12euros.
perfect for working on the go with my pc and phone as modem.
my suggest is to look for companies that allow it at good prices, and not keep contracts with thefts that dont.
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i wished i had unlimited LTE cap! i only get 6gb with tethering allowed on rogers LTE network in toronto,canada, i'd gladly pay 100-150 bucks a month for UNLIMITED LTE, i'd cancell my home internet( which is 45Mb/s unlimited for around 70bucks cdn.

manekineko said:
Anyone know what the mechanism they added in 4.2 for reporting tethering to carriers is?
Is there an Xposed module that disables it, or are there custom ROMs with this "feature" disabled?
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There are ways just not sure I can list them here. Do a search online and you will find some.
I think some ROMs might turn off the feature but not sure which ones do this.

Wifi Tether Router, in the Play Store. Developer is Fabio Grasso.

I think you can circumvent with iptables, I saw it on a HTC One X thread.
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This worked for me
Check out the last post on this page (and then read from there). This fixed Tmo's tethering detection for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512674&page=7

SickIcarus said:
Check out the last post on this page (and then read from there). This fixed Tmo's tethering detection for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512674&page=7
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Having had a very close friend try this successfully on ATT in North America, I can also vouch for it working. I don't know how truly secure it really is, however, this person has never had an issue.

On AIO network
I am on AIO wireless , before I switch from iPhone to Nexus 5. The Personal Hotspot feature is remove from my iPhone and I switch to Nexus 5 , few days ago I was trying the Tethering on my phone and so far no SMS or call from my provider saying about my tethering.

benedictspeedy said:
I am on AIO wireless , before I switch from iPhone to Nexus 5. The Personal Hotspot feature is remove from my iPhone and I switch to Nexus 5 , few days ago I was trying the Tethering on my phone and so far no SMS or call from my provider saying about my tethering.
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The carrier can choose to do what it wants with the information. However, it seems clear that the carrier gets the information that tethering is taking place with the Nexus 5.

Thought this was common knowledge, not hard for carriers to detect tethering even if the OS doesn't tell them - packets have to be routed. Some choose to deal with it, some don't.
Don't see why people take the risk - £15 in the UK for an unlimited plan with tethering.

Cactus42 said:
Don't see why people take the risk - £15 in the UK for an unlimited plan with tethering.
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A lot of people here don't live in the UK, and don't have the option of paying just 15 for tethering. Most places in the states charge an arm and leg for tethering, and it's usually limited to a few hundred megs.

Cactus42 said:
Thought this was common knowledge, not hard for carriers to detect tethering even if the OS doesn't tell them - packets have to be routed. Some choose to deal with it, some don't.
Don't see why people take the risk - £15 in the UK for an unlimited plan with tethering.
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I don't know that it is common knowledge that the phone somehow tells the carrier. I think that many of us assumed there was packet inspection, but given that I was tethering a Nexus 7 this appears to be something different.

Taubin said:
A lot of people here don't live in the UK, and don't have the option of paying just 15 for tethering. Most places in the states charge an arm and leg for tethering, and it's usually limited to a few hundred megs.
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I thought it was usually just the UK that get's the crap deals
ronwi2 said:
I don't know that it is common knowledge that the phone somehow tells the carrier. I think that many of us assumed there was packet inspection, but given that I was tethering a Nexus 7 this appears to be something different.
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I said I thought it was common knowledge the carriers could tell when you're tethering, not that the phone tells them. They don't have to wait for an OS that tells them when there's a device other than the connected one transmitting data through it. Your phone is, for all intents and purposes, routing packets. They don't even need to inspect the packets, there's numerous ways to see that data didn't originate at the device they should.

ronwi2 said:
Just wanted to report a recent experience.
I was in the Netherlands, using an Italian Vodafone SIM on a US Play Store purchased Nexus 5.
I decided to try the native tethering. It worked. However, I also immediately received an SMS from Vodafone telling me I was using data outside my plan, and my account was debited 6 Euro for a couple of seconds of updating the NY Times on my Nexus 7 via tether.
So beware - even if your carrier does not block tethering, the Nexus 5 somehow reports that tether. It was not just packet inspection here, as the Nexus 7 tablet presumably uses the same type of data as the phone.
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I switched carrier exactly because of this, VodafoneIT is as far as I know the only big Carrier in italy that charges for tethering. I switched carrier because of this sh*t. They made me pay 4 Euro every day I tried to use Tethering...
and now I can happily confirm that WIND and TRE don't charge anything.
As Vodafone is now charging 19,- € for switching plans, my advice is, switch carrier.

Switching from verizon

Hey guys im debating on switching from verizon because of there new plans are ridiculous im on m8 right now so I would probably want the m9. Im going to get the unlimited data plan and I was wondering how hard it is to get wifi tethering working I plan on rooting it first thing so are there any roms such as cynagen or google play I could just use. Also I was wondering if its difficult to root right now with the lollipop update.

I believe you still get tethering included in your plan. I have the unlimited data plan and I get 7gb of mobile hotspot included.

Bierce22 said:
Hey guys im debating on switching from verizon because of there new plans are ridiculous im on m8 right now so I would probably want the m9. Im going to get the unlimited data plan and I was wondering how hard it is to get wifi tethering working I plan on rooting it first thing so are there any roms such as cynagen or google play I could just use. Also I was wondering if its difficult to root right now with the lollipop update.
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I switched from vzw unlimited plan to tmo's unlimited plan about 2 months ago.
I am not very satisified with the service, yes you will get 5 gb free mobile hotspot (this can be bypassed by using pdanet usb tethering). If you go over 5gb they throttle your speed down.
Also if you go over 21 gb they "re-prioritize" your data as they call it (I call it throttling) which I think is BS.
Their data speeds suck in my area compared to vzw but not always the case depending on where you are, you can get some fast speeds.
Rooting is not an issue as you can unlock the bootloader from htc's site and flash twrp, and the supersu zip.
As far as Roms, just a few so far. Leedroids is about the best I have used but you may loose wifi calling and volte.
I would read up on their re-prioritizing before switching.
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kc6wke said:
I switched from vzw unlimited plan to tmo's unlimited plan about 2 months ago.
I am not very satisified with the service, yes you will get 5 gb free mobile hotspot (this can be bypassed by using pdanet usb tethering). If you go over 5gb they throttle your speed down.
Also if you go over 21 gb they "re-prioritize" your data as they call it (I call it throttling) which I think is BS.
Their data speeds suck in my area compared to vzw but not always the case depending on where you are, you can get some fast speeds.
Rooting is not an issue as you can unlock the bootloader from htc's site and flash twrp, and the supersu zip.
As far as Roms, just a few so far. Leedroids is about the best I have used but you may loose wifi calling and volte.
I would read up on their re-prioritizing before switching.
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Ive got only 3gigs on verizon right now so its not that big of an issue as long as they dont throttle you to 2g im good as far as service goes according the coverage map i have fair 4g at my house and its good everywhere else same with verizon. For tethering though can you use the roms built in wifi tethering option if you switch the apn because I cant stand pda net

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Ive got only 3gigs on verizon right now so its not that big of an issue as long as they dont throttle you to 2g im good as far as service goes according the coverage map i have fair 4g at my house and its good everywhere else same with verizon. For tethering though can you use the roms built in wifi tethering option if you switch the apn because I cant stand pda net
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Yes, you get 5gb of tethering (mobile hotspot) no need to switch apn,

I was asking if you can bypass that with the roms built in tethering if you have unlimited data instead of using pda net

Bierce22 said:
I was asking if you can bypass that with the roms built in tethering if you have unlimited data instead of using pda net
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No the built in hotspot only allows you 5gb of tethering, this limit cannot be bypassed with a custom Rom or like you can with Vzw (another reason I'm unhappy with tmo).

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I was asking if you can bypass that with the roms built in tethering if you have unlimited data instead of using pda net

I guess it would depend on how the tethering was implemented in the ROM you choose. If it does not use the TMobile apk/solution, then you likely would not have the 5GB limit. If it does, it will. How to tell...? Ask the people building the ROM(s). I will be using PDANet for tethering; it's simple, works fine, and 1 wire is not that big a deal to me.
I'm jumping to TMobile because my wife has an old plan that I can sneak in on that will give me everything I need (effectively unlimited/non-throttling UDP) for $100 LESS per month than Verizon. I've been with them since the days of Bell Atlantic, but I'm tired of the cost & tyranny on their phone choices. Will I have as good of coverage? Not likely, but for the areas I will be in, it's sufficient, so why waste the extra $100?

T-Mobile's recent tethering crackdown can detect pretty much every workaround so far, at least on Sense ROMs. Cyanogenmod has always given me unlimited tethering in the past, but I haven't tried it with this phone, and I can't risk them busting me again if it doesn't work. IIRC you get one warning, after that they drop you down to a capped data plan and you're permanently banned from unlimited. I've already gotten that warning, and I was tethering to an Android tablet through a VPN, with several deep-level tweaks to make it undetectable. The day after their crackdown announcement, I was tethering and I got a warning. I couldn't tether again until I wiped my phone and flashed a different rom before going back to the one I'd been on, to completely undo all of the tweaks. Now I'm back to 7GB of tether data. I wouldn't risk trying to circumvent it more than once if you get a warning.