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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Ok so I was about 98% set on purchasing the G2x/O2x but then realized it had a WVGA screen. Isnt that outdated?
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if WVGA is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
Personally i prefer the screen on the O2X, i don't like the colors on the Amoled, not realistic at all
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The IPS screen on O2x are brighter, sharper and with better colours than Amoled - its also better in the sun and have as good viewing angles as Amoled. The only thing where Amoled are slightly better is pure black. It's the same type of screen as the Iphone4 (actually its LG that manufactures the screen for Iphone4 to Apple) - except the Iphone4 screen has higher resolution.
You wont be disappointed about the screen on the O2x - it is very good.
Mate. LG screen clarity is outstanding, sunlight, clublighting, office home you name it. I run it with auto off and at approximately 20%. So brighter is available.
You will not be disappointed.
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Thank you for all the responses and clearing up. I was lookiing everywhere for the info on what the screen was, it was strange because one site just said "WVGA" for g2x and the galaxy it said AMOLED so I wasn't sure.
G2x is now still at the top of my list =) I am deciding between this and when the Galaxy S II comes out, seems like slightly better hardware, but dont know other details
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WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
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Indeed and amazing better as the Amoled from my HTC Desire S only the black isn't pure black in some cases but hence the vivid colors and the overall screen make up for it big time
mandude said:
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if [LCD] is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
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Thanks, a viewpoint I was looking for =) I guess that eases me. Yeah I was concerned about the viewing angles, crisp of the colors and daylight viewing.
Do yourself a favour and go somewhere where you can look at the O2x screen live - anyone having concerns about the screen should do that - and be pleasently surprised
It really is very good - high contrast, high brightness, excellent colours with no banding, excellent deep blacks (for an LCD), good viewing angles etc. - viewing pictures of real life scenarios on the screen is a treat.
It actually makes my Desire Amoled screen look slightly dull
I sit on a bus and can read just fine. And its been really sunny where i am at the mo.
This screen is fantastic compared to my HTC Hero lol!!
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The screen is really nice. Im very convinced, also in bright sunlight I can read the screen well enough.
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LCD vs OLED
I wish people would just stop using 3-4 letter abbreviations for screen resolutions. In the early days (80s and 90s) there only were a few of these abbreviations and they signified a lot more than just resolution, like color depth and graphics capabilities, but now they're just confusing. Why not just put the two numbers and save everyone the trouble of having to google what WXSDHDGA (don't bother, I just made it up ... at least, I hope so) is supposed to be.
Back on topic.
OLED
Black is really, totally black. The contrast ratio is technically infinite, but that isn't just a good thing, as it hurts my eyes in the dark. It's a bit like staring at a television in a pitch black room.
Colors are more vivid (read: oversaturated). Most people love that but to me it just looks unnatural. Like kid's toys.
The pixels will degrade rather quickly and lose brightness in the process. Since each primary color ages at a different rate your color balance will shift. You should be good for 2-3 years, though.
As long as the image displayed is mostly black or dark, it'll use less power than LCD, on bright images a lot more. Setting your background to pitch-black is a real power-saver on these devices.
Most OLED displays currently on the market use something called a PenTile matrix (see http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ or just google it), where each pixel only has 2 subpixels instead of 3. As a result pixels cannot independently display every color but need to work together with adjacent ones, which reduces the effective resolution of the display by at least 1/3. Photos and Videos still look fine, but text gets ragged colored edges and is a lot harder to read than on an LCD.
Handsets with OLED+PenTile matrix, f. ex.: Samsung Galaxy S, Nexus One
Handsets with OLED+full matrix, f. ex.: HTC Legend, Samsung Galaxy S2
LCD
You won't get black, only dark gray, because light emitted from the backlight can't be perfectly masked. As long as the display is on it will emit light.
Power usage is just dependent on the brightness setting, not on the content displayed.
AFAIK all current LCD displays have a full subpixel matrix
A lot of the rest, like color, viewing angles etc. depends on the panel type used. Usually that's TFT, which is kind of meh, the premium choice is IPS (iPhone 4 and some LG phones, like most (all?) 2x variants).
The choice between a (full matrix) OLED screen and an IPS LCD is a matter of personal choice, if you can't get either, get a TFT LCD. Personally I'd never buy anything with PenTile, but, well, some people like it so YMMV.
Going by my preferences and specs alone, the iPhone 4 currently has the best mobile display, followed by the LG Optimus Black / Speed (2x). Since I don't like iOS that would make the 2x the handset of choice, if I needed a new one right now. As it is, I'll wait for the SGS2 and see how that stacks up, first.
I'm brand new to the world of Smartphones, and hence don't have much perspective, but I DO have direct experience comparing the 2 types.
I started last week with a Samsung Galaxy S 4G with the SAMOLED(+?) screen. The screen on the Samsung was very, very nice. As others have said, the blacks are TRUE black and hence everything tends to "pop" more. Think of it kinda like a plasma vs an LCD HDTV. Plasma blacks just can't be beaten by an LCD.
I moved to the G2X two days ago, mostly because I decided I wanted as close to a stock Android experience as possible AND a more future-proof dual core phone. I have NO complaints about the screen on the G2X. Sure, the blacks aren't quite as black, but the colors look great, it's bright and readable, and I don't use a black background anyway. As an added bonus, it is MUCH easier to read in sunlight than the SAMOLED was on the Galaxy.
Just got mine today. Nice phone, but the screen.....
The top left and right corners of the screen have a small white glow, the same as some lcd tv's had in the beginning. So the "color" black isn't covering my whole screen....
This is NOT my phone, but just to show you where the glowing parts are.
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Nope it isn't the bar . Already called with the vip service of LG, and I will get a new phone next week
Best service ever!!!!!
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Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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The UK Nexus S isn't S-LCD, it is S-AMOLED.
The i9023 is sold here and is S-LCD, we get the i9020 as well though.
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.
My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.
Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
aszu said:
N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?
Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.
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First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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Both are true.. But I don't have any issues on my device..
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Both are true.. But I don't have any issues on my device..
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I saw some videos on youtube and they said inverting colors from time to time for a certin amount of time helps. This is true?
Svid said:
I saw some videos on youtube and they said inverting colors from time to time for a certin amount of time helps. This is true?
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Also true..
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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The at&t variant I personally own never gave me these issues. I have read the pink tint issues were associated with the adaptive /automatic brightness enabled?! Yet, on mine I saw no pink with it enabled or disabled.
And there are videos on YT showing burn in. It is basically the soft keys at the bottom. Triangle, circle, and the square are the culprits. But again no issues for me.
Now the very 1st day my phone did a random reboot on me - twice! But, as soon as I unlocked bootloader, rooted it, and used a custom recovery the reboots never surfaced again! Go figure?! And the nexus 6 is definately the fastest performing phone I owned yet
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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AMOLED's can all have that issue, but I personally have never seen it happen (I have had a gnex for almost 2 years which used AMOLED and doesn't have burn-in). The pink "issue" isn't really an issue, google allowed the screen brightness to go extremely dark on the N6. This causes the screen to take on a pink tint simply due to the way amoled's function at that low a brightness. The screen does have a warmer hue to it as well because it is AMOLED, but you can use a custom kernel to tweak RGB values and give the screen a cooler tint. Hope that helps
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AMOLED's can all have that issue, but I personally have never seen it happen (I have had a gnex for almost 2 years which used AMOLED and doesn't have burn-in). The pink "issue" isn't really an issue, google allowed the screen brightness to go extremely dark on the N6. This causes the screen to take on a pink tint simply due to the way amoled's function at that low a brightness. The screen does have a warmer hue to it as well because it is AMOLED, but you can use a custom kernel to tweak RGB values and give the screen a cooler tint. Hope that helps
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Thank you for that useful information mate.
So, all AMOLED's, regardless if it's the N6 or not, suffer from this issue?
Svid said:
Thank you for that useful information mate.
So, all AMOLED's, regardless if it's the N6 or not, suffer from this issue?
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That is correct, all AMOLED's are susceptible to this because of the O in AMOLED, which stands for Organic. The organic compounds that are used in these screens are susceptible to burn in due to the fact that the organic compounds degrade with a lot of use. Of the RGB subpixels, Blue subpixels degrade quickest. However, the N6 uses a Pentile pixel arrangement. This has upsides and downsides, but it is actually an upside as far as this issue is concerned, because the Pentile layout contains less blue subpixels, so there is less susceptibility to burn in.
If you want to combat this issue further, you can use blacked out google apps, and use ROM's with blacked out system options, use a mostly black wallpaper, etc. This is because on an AMOLED screen when the screen is black, the pixels are not displaying any light and thus are not degrading at all. This should reduce your chances of running into the issue. It will also save battery life since the screen is not using as much energy. That is one of the upsides to AMOLED screens, along with the very dark blacks you get in movies and games for the same reason (pixels are not lighting at all). Like I said, I've used other AMOLED screens and not run into this problem as of yet, to my understanding it should take years before you start to see burn in even with normal use. Some people say they have issues right away but that has not been my experience.
All screens of any technology are correctly color calibrated at a given brightness and are very far off at extremes. With an LCD, it will generally be too blue at high brightness and not blue enough at low brightness. That is because the backlights are never a 6500K source. They are basically always bluer than standard.
The Note 4, to pick an AMOLED example, does not get red at very low brightness, but that is because it (according to others) has a higher minimum brightness. My screen takes on a red tint when in a dark room with adaptive brightness enabled if I have the brightness slider set below about 30%. I consider this a handy feature since I don't like the feeling of staring into a light bulb.
Above about 30%, or in a room with a light on, the screen stays normal for me.
I have not seen thecpink issue on my N6 at all.
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That is correct, all AMOLED's are susceptible to this because of the O in AMOLED, which stands for Organic. The organic compounds that are used in these screens are susceptible to burn in due to the fact that the organic compounds degrade with a lot of use. Of the RGB subpixels, Blue subpixels degrade quickest. However, the N6 uses a Pentile pixel arrangement. This has upsides and downsides, but it is actually an upside as far as this issue is concerned, because the Pentile layout contains less blue subpixels, so there is less susceptibility to burn in.
If you want to combat this issue further, you can use blacked out google apps, and use ROM's with blacked out system options, use a mostly black wallpaper, etc. This is because on an AMOLED screen when the screen is black, the pixels are not displaying any light and thus are not degrading at all. This should reduce your chances of running into the issue. It will also save battery life since the screen is not using as much energy. That is one of the upsides to AMOLED screens, along with the very dark blacks you get in movies and games for the same reason (pixels are not lighting at all). Like I said, I've used other AMOLED screens and not run into this problem as of yet, to my understanding it should take years before you start to see burn in even with normal use. Some people say they have issues right away but that has not been my experience.
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Not sure about the bottom paragraph, surely you mean inverted colours? Also If you use a mostly black wallpaper you're more likely go get burn in because the pixels around navigation buttons aren't on at all and are thus not degrading whilst the navigation buttons are fully on and are degrading.
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letom said:
Not sure about the bottom paragraph, surely you mean inverted colours? Also If you use a mostly black wallpaper you're more likely go get burn in because the pixels around navigation buttons aren't on at all and are thus not degrading whilst the navigation buttons are fully on and are degrading.
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Inverted, blacked out, I don't think there's a difference. The button icons themselves will eventually burn in because they are almost always on unless you opt for pie like controls, but like I said that should be over a span of years. A black background will keep everything else from wearing faster though and should give you better battery performance.
I have had the phone for a week now and have not seen either of these issues. I do keep my screen fairly dim, like minimum brightness PLUS a screen dimmer for the nights and early mornings. I do not see any pink what so ever with adaptive brightness off and the minimum setting for brightness. I only turn the screen up when outdoors. I don't know I just find the screen really bright while indoors and I would assume burn in would be more susceptible with higher brightness
So i can safely buy the device right?
Anyway i have to order the phone overseas (No 64GB avalible in my country and the price tag too high anyway).
So my partner has a new iPhone 6s Plus and the clarity of his screen has me envious.
Checked the specs on GMS the N6 has more pixels and a higher density %, so what gives?
Is it the AMOLED screen? Is it possible to get that level of clarity?
Do you have a screen protector on? Those can make display look fuzzy, especially the anti-glare protectors.
my n6 screen is much more crisp than an I phones..
I suggest doing two things,
1- With a custom kernel, pick a color profile that fits you; and/or
2- Download this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flar2.hbmwidget
exekias said:
So my partner has a new iPhone 6s Plus and the clarity of his screen has me envious.
Checked the specs on GMS the N6 has more pixels and a higher density %, so what gives?
Is it the AMOLED screen? Is it possible to get that level of clarity?
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Yes, kind of.
AMOLED is... visually TERRIBLE. There are two advantages it has over a conventional LCD; (1) lower power consumption -- black pixels are actually switched off. (2) no backlight means no light bleeding through "black", in other words, black is more black on an AMOLED than an LCD.
The other part of it is that AMOLED actually *CHEATS* on its resolution claims. Something called an "RGBG subpixel matrix". The "RGBG" part is particularly important, since it describes the actual layout of the R, G, and B pixels -- for Red, Green, and Blue. Notice that there are twice as many G's as R's or B's.... Right. Its only 2560x1440 in GREEN. The Red and Blue are each only 2560x720. THAT is why the higher pixel density LOOKS less sharp than the apple LCD. You can thank samsung for that one, AMOLED is their tech.
So for the question about whether or not you can get that same (or better) clarity of of a Nexus 6... sure, if the image is ALL GREEN.
Edit: These are the Android phone's I've owned, in chronological order;
2008: HTC Dream, 480x320 LCD -- reasonable, given the low resolution.
2010: HTC Vision, 800x480 LCD -- at its time, absolutely stunning. Still "pleasant".
2012: Samsung Relay, 800x480 AMOLED -- if looking at something could cause your eyes to bleed, this would have done just that. Absolutely the WORST display imaginable. I had MUCH higher hopes for it, given all the "good" I'd heard about AMOLED and how "crisp" and "high contrast" they were supposed to be. That it could be dramatically WORSE than the 480x320 on the HTC Dream was stunning. I was expecting it to at least be "close" to the HTC Vision.
2015: Nexus 6, 2560x1440 AMOLED -- while visually the best so far, it is only because of the absurdly high number of pixels. So many that it has a significant negative impact on graphic performance. I would gladly sacrifice a little bit of battery and contrast to get the performance of 1920x1080.
turn up your brightness, N6's screen looks terrible at low brightness unless you have a kcal kernel to adjust the colors (stock warm colors look fuzzier imo compared to cool colors). The iphone having a LCD makes it look basically the same at any brightness at least color and sharpness-wise.
iphone is crisp because of its tech..
but i love nexus more..
i dont adore the nexus because of its screen but i love android because its an ANDROID
Honestly, I'm just getting old. I think the Nexus 6 screen is perfectly fine - crisp and clear.