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Hi,
I'm researching flashing via CWR, ROM over ROM without flashing to Stock via ODIN. Specifically, I'm at Cog 3.02 with "base" Cognition Kernel/Modem thinking about going to Andromeda...both employ Voodoo/EXT4, so shouldn't need to disable lagfix (I think?)...
I read at this link (apologies for spaces, but I'm new so can't post actual links): h t t p : / / forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900463
a spirited debate starting about page 4 that flashing to ODIN is effectively doubling your chances for a bad flash, and that recovering a bad flash via CWM is far easier (just try re-flash again...and again(?) until fail back to trying ODIN) than recovering a bad ODIN flash.
If that's true, what prep should I do first via CWR?
1. Andromeda says requires wipe, does ROM install do this or do I do it via CWR first (wipe data/factory reset in recovery)? How 'deep' is a wipe...what do I need to save prior to this?
2. Wipe Dalvik Cache and/or wipe cache partition?
3. Save /efs folder?
4. Aside from TiBu backup to PC, am I missing anything else to save? I forgot to save my Android ID on my first flash, so it's my understanding I can only get that back via flash to Stock...I'd prefer to only go to ODIN if I have to.
Another question I had was regarding nandroid. I made a nandroid backup right after flashing to Cog. Do I really even need this? Since I haven't changed kernel/modem, wouldn't I be better off just flashing my initial Cog zip file?
Finally thanks to all who make this site kick_ss. Connexion2005's videos are indispensable for a newbie like me. People actually answer questions here, and the Devs suceed in delivering onto us a wolf in (out of the box) sheep's clothing...something AT&T and Samsung have failed to do.
Cognition 3.02 is my first and only custom ROM and DG, you have literally saved me from making my phone a brick the old fashioned way: throwing it against a wall. Running flawlessly since Jan 17th...at the same time, I am eager to see what else is out there, ***safely*** as possible.
Thanks in advance.
Since they are both ext 4 you should be ok.
The rom wipes, I clear davlik cache before flash and after, but there our no good reason as to why
Efs files, do you use kies? If so you may want to back them up, if not don't worry, I have never backed then up
Odin flash is not needed but my opinion is you should know how to use odin prior to flashing. Why panic to figure it out if something goes wrong,?
NANDROID only needed if youare going back to cog and after you have flushed the rom you want to restore settings
I think I got everything you asked
Thank you.
So really just the Dalvik cache wipe in CWR prior to.
Kies...soooo failed ever getting that working, and don't seem to need it.
Yeah I actually flashed ODIN1 unnecessarily prior to my flash to Cog. I was at stock and somehow thought ADW would mess it up...rook. I have build 1006 so good to know ODIN's there if I need it.
Re: Nandroid, but if I kept the initial zip for my flash to Cog wouldn't I just use that? Or does Nandroid do better job of ensuring good flash back to what I have right now?
Not familiar with flushing...Would I be able to restore Nandroid directly on top of ROM I'm switching off of?
Thanks again.
OP,
You'd double the chance of failure if all else were equal. I don't have statistics, but I have no doubt that failures happen far more often with odin flashes, though.
1. Andromeda says requires wipe, does ROM install do this or do I do it via CWR first (wipe data/factory reset in recovery)? How 'deep' is a wipe...what do I need to save prior to this?
2. Wipe Dalvik Cache and/or wipe cache partition?
3. Save /efs folder?
4. Aside from TiBu backup to PC, am I missing anything else to save? I forgot to save my Android ID on my first flash, so it's my understanding I can only get that back via flash to Stock...I'd prefer to only go to ODIN if I have to.
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The ROM install script does the wipe. This simply means all your apps and data will be erased (your pictures and anything on the internal and any external sdcard will not be deleted).
I never wipe the dalvik cache or cache partition before flashing. I only do that if I'm having issues like FCs (sometimes happens after a bad theme install, for example).
You probably should have backed up /efs before flashing anything, but that's not to say a backup now isn't a good idea. You only need to do this once.
If I recall, you do need to flash 2.1 to get the ID back. I'm not 100% sure there isn't another way.
WRT the nadroid backup, you don't really need it. What I do is keep 2 or 3 good CWM flashable ROMs and the CWM update.zip on my sdcard in case of problems. I also keep TiBU backup of my stuff there (which I also occasionally backup to my PC just in case my sdcard gets wiped for some reason).
One thing I would suggest is to be sure you have working button combos in case you ever need download mode (hopefully you never will, but it's always possible). If you don't have that, there is a clockwork flashable fix or you could just flash cognition or perception once and then flash whatever you want over them (you can do both flashes all without ever leaving recovery). That should fix the button combos since DG's ROMs include a good sbl.bin (I'm not a fan of that inclusion, but it is useful in this case). Since you are running Cog, I assume your download mode is already working.
Thanks opcow.
Yeah I made sure I could get into d/l and recovery mode with button combos before I even rooted.
So would you ever use a Nandroid backup if you added a different kernel/modem to a ROM? Or would you just go back to the initial zip and SGS Kernel to flash kernel/modem? I haven't done kernel flash...yet...
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Thanks opcow.
Yeah I made sure I could get into d/l and recovery mode with button combos before I even rooted.
So would you ever use a Nandroid backup if you added a different kernel/modem to a ROM? Or would you just go back to the initial zip and SGS Kernel to flash kernel/modem? I haven't done kernel flash...yet...
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If the ROM you were running when you backed up is compatible with the new kernel then I don't see why there would be a problem. I don't do it, myself, but I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because I have the paid TiBU and I just use that.
Thanks again...
Yeah I bought full TiBu, so obviously that should work for the apps/data.
Did some more digging tonight and apparently Nandroid backup is ROM only, not Kernel...So seemingly would need to be on same Kernel at least to do proper Nandroid restore.
...that being the case, I guess I don't understand why people stress importance of running a Nandroid prior to and/or post ROM flash...am I missing something?
If you like a rom and set everything up but want to try another doing a nandroid allows you to restore once you flash the rom again.
Also good to run nandroid on new flash, so if you play with themes and something goes wrong you can restore
That makes sense.
Showing me newbie-ness since I haven't played around with themes yet...
...Figured I'd at least get 2nd ROM flash out the shoot before playing with kernels, modems or themes...
This thread is helpful for me. I appreciate your time.
This is along the lines of the question that I was going to post so figured would ask here. I too am considering trying out the new Andromeda. I am currently using Cog 3.04 and want to test out the new Andromeda. The TiBu I have right now is from when i was on stock as I just recently purchased this and Cog was my first flash.. Would i want to continue to use that backup when i flash to andromeda, or would it be better to run a full backup with tibu while cog is on there and then flash to andromeda and use the cog backup??
also,, from above, i could possibly just skip the step with odin and go straight to andromeda? or do I need to run odin and put it back to stock before going over to andromeda?
thanks
zug
Hey Zug,
Just flashed andromeda last night via method outlined above...did not revert to stock at all (no odin). Only issue thus far is market only showing very few installed apps under 'My Apps', but I think this is a common issue. Will research solution tonight (I did have some issues getting back all apps from TiBu, but after I restored missing apps twice and rebooted a few times they all appear to be back). Also my simi clock widget comes and goes, not sure why...might clear dalvik cache to see if that helps.
Regarding TiBu, it saves apps and data. It is not ROM specific...you just back it up, then after you flash new ROM you restore missing apps with data (do NOT restore system data).
EDIT: Resolved the My Apps Market issue (only a few were showing after flash) by going to Settings, Applications, Manage, go to Market, Clear Data, reboot. Search is my friend.
i897 running Andromeda 2.0
Thanks Madtowndave.. i might give that a try.. so, since my phone is rooted and what not, i can just go to the guide and start at the portion about puting the new rom on the sd card, rebooting it and what not in recovery and select that zip and flash it right ? (well condensed version of course) and it should all be good?? guessing if this fails can always use the odin and wipe it and go back?
since i added a few new apps, guessing then that i should use tibu and go ahead and reback up everything since this rom does the master clear and then reload them right?? and hate to ask.. but how do I do the nandroid? newbie still to android and i know that just backs up the rom, but is it a app to dl from market? was fishing around in phone and didnt quite see it yet. .but figured i would do a nandroid in case i want to go back to cog.. this smart?
thnx again
zug
I think most of your questions are answered by others in this thread...
One thing I noticed last night is that I only got red (voodoo) cwm recovery menu via 3 button or long press power and reboot to recovery...when I rebooted to recovery via ROM Manager, I got the green cwm recovery menu. Not sure if this matters, but in another forum (on Vibrant phone, our sgs cousin), they said to flash ROM via the red voodoo cwm menu (since cog and andromeda both employ voodoo you can leave it enabled).
Nandroid backup you can do either from ROM manager or in cwm recovery...
Also andromeda wipes the system data, not a master clear...your data on 16 gig internal memory should not be affected, but is very good idea to backup everything to pc per the flash custom ROM guide.
i897 running Andromeda 2.0
Thanks again madtown.. going to give it a try now.. as andromeda just finished DL'ing
Good luck, hope it goes smooth for you as it seemingly has for me...Feel like a bit of a heretic for not flashing to odin first...maybe I'm just lucky.
i897 running Andromeda 2.0
hmm. ok. .so did the reboot to recovery and installed andromeda.. did it take a tad bit for yours to boot into the phone portion after it got to the andromeda screen?? mine seemed like it was hanging and was about to worry.. but finally booted in.. so figured would see if yours did too? .. gonna test stuff out now and restore tibu
Yeah, did for me too...and yes I was worried. Pretty sure this is very normal on first boot into new ROM in general. Like I said, TiBu was a bit cranky for me and required 2 restores and reboots...
Really enjoying this ROM, btw.
i897 running Andromeda 2.0
yeh.. im still doing the install from tibu (getting paid version after tomorrow since payday since im hating have to select install for every app ) .. and then will reboot and test .. though one thing ive noticed that is diff from the video is the lock screen.. in his review it was the lock button and he swiped it up.. mine is set to a puzzle piece by default?? any idea??
edit.. k mine was a 1st time go for apps restored with tibu .this is pretty nice.. it does appear to be a lot faster/smoother than cog so far.. though the Keep the lights on app should keep my bottom buttons on all the time right? least thats what i thought i was from the video and mine seem to still fade out.. even though i hit the app and it said it was enabled..
changing unlock is in settings, display...
Dunno about lights, mine just worked. Make sure service started and reboot I guess.
i897 running Andromeda 2.0
ok.. that was what it was for the lock part.. thnx .. didnt know that was there for those 4 choices.. thought only could do the none, pattern, pw etc..
everything went fine until i decided to load my contacts/sms etc from tibu.. now when i rebooted to add them, i keep getting the message "Sorry, The application Swype (processcom.swype.android.inputmethod) has stopped unexpectedly.. please try again" constantly getting things like that about swype.. any idea what happened or what i need to do?
edit.. sucked it up and re-flashed ;( will just sync contacts and deal with the ones missing for now ;(
My question is...
I have Cyanogen mod 7 on my phone atm and I want to experiment with other roms. I'm going to try MIUI
Do I have to Re flash my phone if I already have open recovery and nandroid on my phone or can i just get the Miui rom throw it on the SD card , then go to open Recovery wipe everything and install the miui and reboot the phone?
And do I also have to apply the Google apps update as well (i'd assume i have to just like cyanogen 7)
Thanks for the help!
Motorola Milestone, Telus Canada
Kulch said:
My question is...
I have Cyanogen mod 7 on my phone atm and I want to experiment with other roms. I'm going to try MIUI
Do I have to Re flash my phone if I already have open recovery and nandroid on my phone or can i just get the Miui rom throw it on the SD card , then go to open Recovery wipe everything and install the miui and reboot the phone?
And do I also have to apply the Google apps update as well (i'd assume i have to just like cyanogen 7)
Thanks for the help!
Motorola Milestone, Telus Canada
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if ur coming from cm7 to miui u will have to wipe everything .. no need to flash gapps ..
Kulch said:
My question is...
I have Cyanogen mod 7 on my phone atm and I want to experiment with other roms. I'm going to try MIUI
Do I have to Re flash my phone if I already have open recovery and nandroid on my phone or can i just get the Miui rom throw it on the SD card , then go to open Recovery wipe everything and install the miui and reboot the phone?
And do I also have to apply the Google apps update as well (i'd assume i have to just like cyanogen 7)
Thanks for the help!
Motorola Milestone, Telus Canada
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From ROM to ROM, all you need to do is place the ROM itself on your SD Card in OpenRecovery/updates and do a FULL WIPE (both caches and data).
For Gingerbread ROMs you need the GB Google Apps(Gapps). For Froyo ROMs (with the exception of FroyoMOD) you need to flash the Froyo Gapps.
Reboot into recovery and apply update, go from there.
skadude66 said:
From ROM to ROM, all you need to do is place the ROM itself on your SD Card in OpenRecovery/updates and do a FULL WIPE (both caches and data).
For Gingerbread ROMs you need the GB Google Apps(Gapps). For Froyo ROMs (with the exception of FroyoMOD) you need to flash the Froyo Gapps.
Reboot into recovery and apply update, go from there.
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for miui u dnt need to flash gapps ..
rrohanjs said:
for miui u dnt need to flash gapps ..
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Regardless, you can flash it nonetheless, it's gets you into a good habit of flashing Gapps with GB ROMs
thanks !
awesome guys really appreciate it
Another noob question tho!
When I nandroid backup my Cyanogen mod 7 settings will it be there when i do a factory wipe and put a different rom on, and if i dont like that rom i can easily go back into open recovery, click restore and boom i got my cyanogen again?>
Kulch said:
Another noob question tho!
When I nandroid backup my Cyanogen mod 7 settings will it be there when i do a factory wipe and put a different rom on, and if i dont like that rom i can easily go back into open recovery, click restore and boom i got my cyanogen again?>
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when u do a nandroid backup u dnt backup only ur settings .. do a full backup n when u restore ur phone will back to the same state when u backed it up ..
u don't have to setup your phone again as all your settings (Google Account, Facebook, Twitter) and your personalised fonts, ringtone, wallpaper, widgets.... all get restored back.
u shud even do apps2ext ..
Kulch said:
Another noob question tho!
When I nandroid backup my Cyanogen mod 7 settings will it be there when i do a factory wipe and put a different rom on, and if i dont like that rom i can easily go back into open recovery, click restore and boom i got my cyanogen again?>
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Someone answered this, but I wanted to help be really clear. When you do a nandroid backup, it backs up the ROM, your data (save for the SDCard) and the cache. Basically, if you hork your device (which I do a lot), you can restore from the nandroid backup right from recovery (hold down the X key while powering on).
The nice thing is that you really can't mess up. Make sure to take a backup before you play, and if you don't like what you see a few hours later, you can safely fully restore and be right back where you were on the old ROM with your old data.
Cheers!
knitterb said:
Someone answered this, but I wanted to help be really clear. When you do a nandroid backup, it backs up the ROM, your data (save for the SDCard) and the cache. Basically, if you hork your device (which I do a lot), you can restore from the nandroid backup right from recovery (hold down the X key while powering on).
The nice thing is that you really can't mess up. Make sure to take a backup before you play, and if you don't like what you see a few hours later, you can safely fully restore and be right back where you were on the old ROM with your old data.
Cheers!
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correct ..
Scenario where Nandroid backup comes in handy
Ok, so now you are on Miui ROM ver.1.5.27. You have gone thru the trouble of setting up your Google account, Facebook, Twitter, etc.
You have personalised it with your own ringtone, fonts, widgets and wallpaper.
Then u found out Miui ROM got new update today to ver.1.6.5 and you are eager to go flash it now until you forget to make Nandroid backup...thinking what could go wrong.
So u go ahead and flash this new Miui ROM ver.1.6.5 but then you found out that it drains battery life crazy or maybe this is the Chinese version.
So u decided to go back to Miui ROM ver.1.5.27.
But because you forgotten to make a Nandroid backup, you have to go thru the whole process of flashing the zip file, the Gapps and then setting up your Google account, Facebook, Twitter, etc and also setting up your personalised ringtone, wallpaper, fonts, widgets, etc.
Now... had u done a Nandroid backup of Miui ROM ver.1.5.27 before you flash a newer version, then your life would be easier because all you need to do is restore back the Nandroid backup of Miui ROM ver.1.5.27 and u don't have to setup your phone again as all your settings (Google Account, Facebook, Twitter) and your personalised fonts, ringtone, wallpaper, widgets.... all get restored back.
First post, so sorry about a noob question. I searched and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for.
I flashed ICS and now have no text messages. Is there any way that they can still be located, or did I just miss the boat in my upgrade path?
I have flashed roms before and they have carried over, so a little confused why I lost them now. I do use titanium backup. What I did:
I ran cognition 4.5.3 forever and finally decided it was time to try something new.
- I backed up all apps and data with Titatium Backup
- used the oneClick I897UCKI2 Android 2.3.5 Gingerbread with bootloaders
- Flash Fugu's Kernel, Phone went into boot-loop.
- Remove battery, go in DL mode again. Flash Boog's Kernel.
- Restored all apps + data (was using handscent for text)
* All Texts messages were there.
Then I decided to upgrade to ICS using SimplyAOKP V3.1 ~ ODEXED ~ 4.0.4
- I backed up all apps and data with Titatium Backup
- Used CWM to:Wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache under advanced, and format system under mounts and storage
-Flashed V3.1 Dark Themed from zip in CWM
* No texts.. Restoring apps seemed to cause problems, so I did it again without restoring apps.
Is there any way for me to dig up my old text messages at this point?
What should I do in the future to preserve them when flashing roms?
Thanks for your help!
SMS Backup and Restore. Too late now
Sent from my ICS Samsung Captivate
korockinout13 said:
SMS Backup and Restore. Too late now
Sent from my ICS Samsung Captivate
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Second that. Best sms backup I've come across
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using xda premium
I realize that my setting are never saved when I reboot my phone... Someone have already this problem?
I saw it only happen to me when I use a rom based on gingerbread but ics and jelly bean can save my setting...
can you tell anything else like what you do after flashing rom (do not restore system app's data through tibu)
dheeraj (dhlalit11) said:
can you tell anything else like what you do after flashing rom (do not restore system app's data through tibu)
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I use aokp rom by thewhisp and after i wanna use cyanmobile, so I go to recovery, wipe everything ( data, cache, sd-est, dalvik cache, etc), after that I flashed cyanmobile by squadzone, I set all I want on setting and then reboot.
I saw that setting is not save because I disabled bootanimation , but after reboot it's already show at boot. And I use an other theme and after reboot, it's always the system and not the others.
and I never backup system data.
lightstar3103 said:
I use aokp rom by thewhisp and after i wanna use cyanmobile, so I go to recovery, wipe everything ( data, cache, sd-est, dalvik cache, etc), after that I flashed cyanmobile by squadzone, I set all I want on setting and then reboot.
I saw that setting is not save because I disabled bootanimation , but after reboot it's already show at boot. And I use an other theme and after reboot, it's always the system and not the others.
and I never backup system data.
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that's the problem with cyanmobile, not with gingerbread ;d it's solvable, read assistance thread
yackovsky said:
that's the problem with cyanmobile, not with gingerbread ;d it's solvable, read assistance thread
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Ok but it happen too with miui 2.4.20 RC3 so that's why I think it's with gingerbread rom
lightstar3103 said:
Ok but it happen too with miui 2.4.20 RC3 so that's why I think it's with gingerbread rom
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that's another rom that have same problem... all other gb-based roms work fine
I have tried this numerous times still no result.
Cm 10.1.3 works perfectly fine. But once i flash it with my Titanium backup update.zip file. There will be errors, and after i reboot it, it iwll just get stuck at the spinning blue circle. I have tried everything, from apps+data to only app data. Nothing works.
I would have to factory reset and reflash it again.
I use clockworks mod recovery.
My phone is a odin rooted Galaxy S3 Lte (i9305)
Shinny123 said:
I have tried this numerous times still no result.
Cm 10.1.3 works perfectly fine. But once i flash it with my Titanium backup update.zip file. There will be errors, and after i reboot it, it iwll just get stuck at the spinning blue circle. I have tried everything, from apps+data to only app data. Nothing works.
I would have to factory reset and reflash it again.
I use clockworks mod recovery.
My phone is a odin rooted Galaxy S3 Lte (i9305)
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use recovery to flash roms not TB, its much more reliable.. i think the problem is because of apps and data you trying to restore with the update.zip. i know you use tb because you want to restore your apps+data easily while flashing new rom, but tb seems to give problems with this method
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use recovery to flash roms not TB, its much more reliable.. i think the problem is because of apps and data you trying to restore with the update.zip. i know you use tb because you want to restore your apps+data easily while flashing new rom, but tb seems to give problems with this method
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Nah, i didnt flash my rom with tb, i flashed it with recovery. Then once everything was done, i would go back into recovery and flash the update.zip file
Shinny123 said:
Nah, i didnt flash my rom with tb, i flashed it with recovery. Then once everything was done, i would go back into recovery and flash the update.zip file
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yes i see, but that seems to be the problem ''restoring apps, data with tb'' and from what i know it occurs that this sometimes gives errors, fc's and bootloops like in your case
MaHo_66 said:
yes i see, but that seems to be the problem ''restoring apps, data with tb'' and from what i know it occurs that this sometimes gives errors, fc's and bootloops like in your case
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So is there no way to go through with this? Maybe export my backups to another software or something? or am i supposed to start fresh?
Shinny123 said:
So is there no way to go through with this? Maybe export my backups to another software or something? or am i supposed to start fresh?
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you could try to export your backups (only data) to pc temporary and after having flashed the rom with full wipe, install the apps again and put the backups manually in corresponding directories and see how that is gonna work out. I gave up on TB because of this problem and usually i always start fresh with new flashed roms. I only put my personal files on pc and put it back manually after rom install.
MaHo_66 said:
you could try to export your backups (only data) to pc temporary and after having flashed the rom with full wipe, install the apps again and put the backups manually in corresponding directories and see how that is gonna work out. I gave up on TB because of this problem and usually i always start fresh with new flashed roms. I only put my personal files on pc and put it back manually after rom install.
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Thanks so much, I dont really need all my apps to be backed up, just important ones, has the manual method worked out for you?
Shinny123 said:
Thanks so much, I dont really need all my apps to be backed up, just important ones, has the manual method worked out for you?
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yes, most of the times works fine but cant guarantee it will work with every app, i guess has something to do with permissions i.m.h.o