Does T-Mobile already have the phone?? How does some people already have the phone?? I have Samsung Galaxy S 4g I love the phone but not liking the internal memory shortage issues. I hope G2x doesn't have the same issue.
Phone comes out in eight days from today on the twentieth ... some people have it because they either have direct access to it or know someone who does
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Think online sales start on the 15th. It's in the stores on the 20th.
Not to throw a spanner in the works but this was just released. Coming soon HTC code name pyrimid or real name Sensation. link
I was all set on getting the g2x but with the not insignificant issues, I'm now not sure. I could be returning to HTC
Android 2.3 Gingerbread / New Sense UI (Like the one on the EVO 3D)
4G Capable
1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snaptdragon processor
768 MB of RAM memory
4GB of internal memory / with 8GB microSD card included (microSD up to 32 MB)
4.3-inch S-LCD capacitive touchscreen / qHD resolution at 960×540
Gorilla Glass
8 MP rear-facing camera (1080p recording) / 1.2 MP front-facing camera
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, along with bluetooth 3.0
yes, saw that too but i still think i will get the LG. Do we know if the sensation bootloader is locked?
Don't know, but that is one of the reasons I'm not really worrying about it and looking at the g2x
I'm still getting the G2X. 1.2GHz? Please, we'll have a modified kernel sporting 1.2 in no time. As for the ram, it won't be too noticeable since what's actually available to the user is what matters. You can check that using Advanced Task Killer. Also, from the vids, the G2X looks quicker and smoother when opening apps and home screen transitions. That's because it's running pretty much stock. I can't wait to see how blistering fast it is when it gets GB. A couple other things to note, G2X gets two speakers and sensation only gets the same crappy one on the back, that whole "unibody" aluminum surrounding the phone is actually all on the battery cover.
Yeah I know that was harsh lol
EDIT: This is pretty funny. It's the O2X vs GS2 gaming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFs9OQinNo&feature=related
cenwesi said:
yes, saw that too but i still think i will get the LG. Do we know if the sensation bootloader is locked?
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Paul of modaco asked HTC and they replied that htc sensation will have a locked bootloader.
I still will prefer g2x cause i do not like sense. Sense with all of its 3d effects and unnecesary features are such big memory huggers. Anyways i can easily oc my 2x to 1200 without any side effects.
And 4.3 inch are not my type. Too big for a phone and drains more battery. 4 inch is better for me. And only 1 gb internal memory is not good
ericc191 said:
I'm still getting the G2X. 1.2GHz? Please, we'll have a modified kernel sporting 1.2 in no time.
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However, unlike the Tegra 2, the dual core Snapdragons can clock cores independently of each other. This will improve performance and battery life.
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As for the ram, it won't be too noticeable since what's actually available to the user is what matters. You can check that using Advanced Task Killer.
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I'm one of the first people to say "Unused RAM is wasted RAM", and 512mb has been more than enough for most people. The big question mark is what kinds of requirements apps and the OS will have in the near future, once Ice Cream drops. Also, I hope you aren't advocating the use of task killers
Not to take anything away from the G2x, it's still a great phone, and one that I'm planning on getting if it ships with an unlocked bootloader.
Am only considering the G2X over here (US) because of the additional AT&T data bands. is still a toss-up as to whether the AT&T gets done, but I will not be getting anything on TMo over here with only their frequencies until whatever happens is final.
If I decide to keep G2X after the return period is up, my MT4G will be heading promptly to eBay. Buyers will have choice of fully rooted with CM7.0.0 or stock - rooted or unrooted - lol.
I posted this in another thread comparing the two:
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Looks like a nice phone but looks like a summer release, which means Sept or Oct if I actually were to wait on it. It does look like the big brother of the N1. It has lots of nice specs too aside from Sense.
The Tmobile G2X is available online in a few days, dual core, 4" screen, HDMI out and it has stock Android. I believe the phone is unlocked and easily rooted. Looking over at the LG thread they already have custom firmwares and kernels etc. CM7 is already in the works and should be here shortly.
I've been doing a lot of research and I think I'm sold on the G2X mainly because my Nexus One has crappy download speeds on 3G and they just released 4G in my area. I've been looking at the 4G phones for some time but have been waiting for a Tegra 2 chipset.
I've been searching on the different GPU's involving the Orion SGS2 and the Snapdragon 2... and I think Nvidia is really pushing mobile games and with NVidia support will only equal it being around longer. Plus the Motorola Xoom is Google's main platform for honeycomb and it uses the Tegra 2 for GUI acceleration.
So Game and OS acceleration = Tegra 2
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Here's my 2 cents/rant:
I love the 4.3" screen over the 4". However, HTC has ruined the Sensation. How? First, I do not like HTC Sense, which wouldn't be a problem if I could load whatever firmware or ROM I wanted onto the phone. However, if the Thunderbolt teaches us anything, it's that HTC is going to become more and more like Motorola--who knows if the Sensation will have an encrypted bootloader?
So for me it's the (IMO) superior screen but awful Sense versus the inferior screen but the ability to do what I want with my $500 or $600 mini computer/phone.
And might I add that Sense is even more intrusive now--have any of you seen how HTC has destroyed the pull down menu on the Thunderbolt? WTF?!
Now to continue the rant: why should I even stay with T-Mobile? AT&T is simply and utterly terrible. They ought to be sued and investigated for their false advertising of 4G speeds. I went into an AT&T store the other day to check out the Atrix. I ran speed test on the Atrix and got around 1mbps down and only 0.3 mbps up. On my Vibrant, which technically isn't even HSPA+, I got 1.5 mbps down and 1.2 mbps up consistently in the same location. So [email protected]#$ AT&T, why would I want to stick with T-Mobile only to be forced to have AT&T take over my contract? AT&T purposely cripples the upload speeds on their phones advertised as 4G. [email protected]#$ them and their awful customer satisfaction and rate plans.
My friend has it simply because he works for tmobile and he finished yhr special class/training course
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SykesAT said:
Think online sales start on the 15th. It's in the stores on the 20th.
Not to throw a spanner in the works but this was just released. Coming soon HTC code name pyrimid or real name Sensation. link
I was all set on getting the g2x but with the not insignificant issues, I'm now not sure. I could be returning to HTC
Android 2.3 Gingerbread / New Sense UI (Like the one on the EVO 3D)
4G Capable
1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snaptdragon processor
768 MB of RAM memory
4GB of internal memory / with 8GB microSD card included (microSD up to 32 MB)
4.3-inch S-LCD capacitive touchscreen / qHD resolution at 960×540
Gorilla Glass
8 MP rear-facing camera (1080p recording) / 1.2 MP front-facing camera
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, along with bluetooth 3.0
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FYI - HTC Sensation only has 1GB internal storage - http://www.htc.com/www/product/sensation/specification.html
gaww said:
Am only considering the G2X over here (US) because of the additional AT&T data bands. is still a toss-up as to whether the AT&T gets done, but I will not be getting anything on TMo over here with only their frequencies until whatever happens is final.
If I decide to keep G2X after the return period is up, my MT4G will be heading promptly to eBay. Buyers will have choice of fully rooted with CM7.0.0 or stock - rooted or unrooted - lol.
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Thinking the same thing, except I would love to use it unlocked on at&t.....
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FYI - HTC Sensation only has 1GB internal storage - http://www.htc.com/www/product/sensation/specification.html
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The HTC Sensation will have a 4GB Rom however 1gb will be allocated to the data partition for apps, the rest will be allocated to the system, cache, recovery partitions etc.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/sensation4g-tmobile#tech-specs
Kind of like how the desire has a 512mb rom but only ~130mb for apps
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However, unlike the Tegra 2, the dual core Snapdragons can clock cores independently of each other. This will improve performance and battery life.
I'm one of the first people to say "Unused RAM is wasted RAM", and 512mb has been more than enough for most people. The big question mark is what kinds of requirements apps and the OS will have in the near future, once Ice Cream drops. Also, I hope you aren't advocating the use of task killers
Not to take anything away from the G2x, it's still a great phone, and one that I'm planning on getting if it ships with an unlocked bootloader.
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No no, task killers are definitely bad unless you have a G1 like me. They are useful for telling someone how much available memory their phone has, though.
ko0l said:
The HTC Sensation will have a 4GB Rom however 1gb will be allocated to the data partition for apps, the rest will be allocated to the system, cache, recovery partitions etc.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/sensation4g-tmobile#tech-specs
Kind of like how the desire has a 512mb rom but only ~130mb for apps
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That's really not cool. Are they advertising that it has 4GB or 1GB, though?
ko0l said:
The HTC Sensation will have a 4GB Rom however 1gb will be allocated to the data partition for apps, the rest will be allocated to the system, cache, recovery partitions etc.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/sensation4g-tmobile#tech-specs
Kind of like how the desire has a 512mb rom but only ~130mb for apps
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I think the discrepancy is due to the differences between the T-Mobile version and the international version. I mean, look at the specs of the Desire vs. Incredible vs. N1.
Good catch. I read an article last night that clarified the 1 GB was actual user addressable available space.
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Phone comes out in eight days from today on the twentieth ... some people have it because they either have direct access to it or know someone who does
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It is out now - ordered on. I have 20 days to try it and return it if not satisfied. I want to see if "8 GB storage, 512 MB RAM" is going to be a factor. I will be rooting it and installing a different ROM and moving the larger apps where possible over to the SD card.
Game on!
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With the new release of G2 I am sure there are many of n1 users looking to upgrade. Who is in? I don't need a hardware keyboard. I like the slim n1. Prob wait for the real nexus two. I wonder what is the full spec on the new G2? Whatcha think?
Edit: 800mhz say what? You guys sure u want to upgrade.
http://t-mobilescoop.com/HSPADEVICE
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not yet...
I am not going to leave for the g2 untill january, or at least until the gingerbread phones start rolling out, but if there isn't anything spectacular...which there most likely will be...I will be trading the nexus for the g2
800 MHz? No thanks.
Not Me...what would I do with a slide out keyboard
The only thing I'd really like is HSPA+, though my city probably won't get it for a few months. Other than that, I don't see anything overwhelming with the G2. Don't need a hardware keyboard now that I'm used to virtual keyboard and Swype... The Adreno 205 GPU is also something else I'd like. I think I'll just wait until early next year to see what other HSPA+ phones come out.
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800 MHz? No thanks.
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It's an underclocked proc from what I hear. Clock speed isn't everything. It's more about how efficient the proc is in one clock cycle. From the sound of things (aka rumors so far), It's going to have some pretty damn sweet features. It's the successor to the first Android device! It can't fail
I'm not necessarily LEAVING the Nexus, but I'm seriously debating picking one of these bad boys up
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The only thing I'd really like is HSPA+, though my city probably won't get it for a few months. Other than that, I don't see anything overwhelming with the G2. Don't need a hardware keyboard now that I'm used to virtual keyboard and Swype... The Adreno 205 GPU is also something else I'd like. I think I'll just wait until early next year to see what other HSPA+ phones come out.
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How does that GPU compare to the one in Galaxy S?
Nice looking phone, but no. I will need something soon to replace this collectors item though.
As much as i would love to have a g2 to continue the legacy I think I will stick with the sexy nexy
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How does that GPU compare to the one in Galaxy S?
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Adreno 205
Now everyone knows that HTC G2 (also known as HTC Vision, HTC Vanguard, HTC G1 Blaze and HTC Desire Z) will feature Snapdragon MSM7230 chipset which uses Adreno 205.
Adreno 205 features:
Hardware-accelerated SVG and Adobe Flash®
Significant improvements in shader performance over Adreno 200 GPU
Streaming textures that can combine video, camera, SVG and other image surfaces with 3D graphics
Based on the early benchmark results, Adreno 205 is expected to be about four times faster than Adreno 200. Samsung's Hummingbird with PowerVR SGX540 is expected to beat Adreno 205 by a small margin, however. Still, given that nothing touches the performance of SGX540 today (that's right, iPhone 4 is not even close!), this is quite an improvement. Also, this thread proves that
Interesting to note that Adreno has hardware-accelerated support for Adobe Flash. Are we going to see much smoother movies in action on this platform?
Will Snapdragon QSD8x60 and QSD8672 use this GPU as well? Perhaps at a higher clock speed? These are dual-core chipsets running at 1.2GHz and 1.5GHz respectively. Rumored phones such as HTC Glacier (also known as HTC Emerald) and HTC Scorpion are expected to use these chipsets. If we are lucky, we may get to see some of these phones during 2010.
Blueman's List of phones that will get him to leave his current Nexus One:
Another Nexus One
Emerald
Nexus 2
</end of list>
At 1GHz or higher I would have bought one on release day. Now I plan on waiting for some reviews and opinions after it has been out for a month or two. I really would like a hardware keyboard but the absence of | and \ diminishes its usefulness for me.
The other mitigating factor is the rumored dual core Glacier on the horizon. I am interested in seeing how that one shapes up.
I'm buying the phone release date hopefully. It's only clocked at 800ghz so I'm guessing it'll get overclocked. I'm still keeping my Nexus though just as a collectors item, as a backup and for gingerbread. I'll never sell it. One reason I wanna switch is because the 3g problem on my nexus seems to be getting worse over time. The main reason I want it is the keyboard mainly for gaming and because it's vanilla android. If there is a nexus 2 I will buy it also and when the myTouch HD does come out or project emerald I'll just get my friend to get one and report it stolen and I'll do the same with mine and then switch the extra with him. I'm hoping its available for preorder but does anybody know if you preorder a phone does it charge you right when you preorder it or on your next bill?
Hell i am leaving my n1 for this mang! Well not leaving but getting.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/
Why the hell would I? Its ridiculous to jump from N1 until a dual core android phone with a front facing camera and an 8MP rear camera that is a "Google" phone running stock android. In other words hell no!
Are you serious. No Thanks. If I only had a G1 with TMO, the obvious upgrade would be G2. But Nexus One to G2 = Downgrade. It's an ok phone though.
A) Just to play devil's advocate, people are saying that the 800 MHz MSM7x30 Scorpion chip actually runs FASTER than a 1 GHz Snapdragon. Read the comments here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/confirmed-t-mobile-g2-will-have-android-2-2-flash-and-800mhz-c/
B) It'd be tempting but nah, not for me. I'll wait for the next resolution bump (past 800 x 480). Preferably higher than the retina display
sl8125 said:
Hell i am leaving my n1 for this mang! Well not leaving but getting.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/
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The Tab, looks really nice, it has everything i could possibly want in a tablet, however I was planning on waiting for the Tegra2 line of Android Tablets. Hopefully they will run just as flawless as the Tab.
Im sorry but 1ghz ftw!
If it comes with HDMI I might get one. It's hard with T-Mobile because they rarely get really nice phones like this so I may get it regardless.
Will the Bionic have a locked down bootloader like the droid x?
I have no knowledge on the subject, but I can only assume that it will.
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Yeah, Moto confirmed it. It can still be rooted though (I'm assuming) , which is the most important thing to me personally.
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I love this community, and the ability to try others' work. I think Moto will keep their products locked to a degree. Done with them yet holding on to my Droid.
Who knows though now that Xoom is unlocked, maybe Moto finally got the hint. We can all wish, but until the release comes, we won't know for sure
The Atrix 4G got locked down, but hopefully we will have better luck..... My Droid Eris is feeling slower by the day, but I won't use my upgrade on a locked-down phone.
I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.
is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?
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is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?
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Thunderbolt? They believe they have a root for it already. And for sure is unlocked. It's for sure gonna have a great dev community.
oh. ok. i'll look into it more...i was under the impression it was for sprint like an evo2 replacement... didn't know it was verizon. ty
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I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.
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Chip's called e-fuse
The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
I expect the same will happen to the bionic as its basically an atrix with less RAM and a larger screen
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Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
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Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
lesismore1 said:
Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted
Not to get get off topic but I wish the root population was larger. Then when motorola does encrypt their phones then it's not like the lesser 5% of the phone purchasers being upset about it. Me getting this phone depends on if it's unlocked or not. I have friends all the time ask me to root their phone. I have a few friends that run custom roms that I put on. Not one of them has had a problem(knock on wood) I don't see a big risk in rooting and flashing custom roms, especially with how easy it is nowadays. That's my 2 cents
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not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted
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I know that, but it's better news than if it was encrypted and/or had something similar to an e-Fuse, and that's what I meant in good news. I knew it wouldn't be the same as a Nexus S or Nexus One (which are Dev friendly), but my Eris had a bootloader (S-On) which so far as I can see is the same as a signed bootloader (correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully, it'll just be a couple of weeks/months to crack it but (knock on wood) at least we won't be stuck with the situation Droid X owners have.
Also, unrelated note, but I played with a friends Atrix 4G for about 30 minutes, and a couple things......
Good
1. Fast as hell! (In apps, games, typing, etc) Very lag free! (see below)
2. In game, incredibly smooth and great looking screen. Better than other friend's Droid Incredible, and colors look nearly as good as my old Zune HD.
Bad
1. Home screen lags quite badly. My friend had lots of apps on desktop and though the Live wallpaper and app drawer were smooth, switching left to right was laggy.... Very nitpicky but annoying.
Overall, I still want the phone (more than before), and want Cyanogenmod on this thing badly!
lesismore1 said:
Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).
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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).
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Thanks for clarifying. When I looked to check facts for the comparison, it only said 1 ghz Snapdragon, so I assumed the same CPU/GPU as the first gen.
still the tegra 2 is a faster processor ... otherwise its more of a wait and see...
I have decided to wait for the bionic instead of getting the thunderbolt... unless the tb comes out tomorrow... but that is very unlikly.
im so sick of seeing people compare the evo to the thunderbolt, first things first, LTE is better than WiMAX. Second of all the processor arent even close, and you know on the evo if you use a task killer, it might have 250mb or RAM free, when you do it on the bolt, you will have overmb free, it will never lag. ever. and the only time it will fall behind the bionic or atrix is gaming, thats it
The next huge device from the Droid Revolution by Motorola i.e Droid 3 is getting ready to release according to the sources. Today couple of Droid 3 Tutorial videos have leaked which shows off the huge device. According to the rumors ,the device will sport a dual-core 1Ghz TI CPU,Android 2.3.3 ( Gingerbread),a qHD 960x540 4.0" display and according to the leaked video it also features 1080p HD video recording and a separate grey line up row for number keys. This hints us that the Motorola Droid 3 is getting ready for the release. Videos below via MobileGearz
Two more videos are Here
Meh whats the point? The DroidX2 just came out with a dual core processor so that advantage is kinda moot. I suppose that thing has a hardware keyboard? Video didn't show it.
Also, when you say "videos after the break" that makes it sound highly likely you just c&p'd this from a/your blogs RSS feed...
edit: ah now I feel like a retard. I missed the other two videos. so yes, it does have a slide out QWERTY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olOxHEU-2CU&feature=related
It does have a qwerty keyboard and dual core 1Ghz processor
eaglerazor123 said:
It does have a qwerty keyboard and dual core 1Ghz processor
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Yeah, I saw that now, thanks.
I don't see the need for a new Droid phone. Feels kinda rushed IMO. I also don't see the need to cling to the Droid brand, but that may be someone at Moto adopting the iPhone style of phones, hoping to compete. Wouldn't surprise me if that is their approach, to retain the same look and feel to build loyalty. Gotta give them points for being consistent, though.
Can I haz world phone capabilities?
Unlocked bootloader, even better.
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seems awesome!!!
hopefully it comes with an unlocked boot loader or at least motorola xoom style bootloader so that at least someone can get cm7 running on it
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Great, I look forward to its appearance.
Direct Fulfillment starts on 7/7 (hope you have unlimited data locked in before then) and the stores get it on 7/14. Can we get a Droid 3/Milestone 3 section going?
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I'm wait for official promote
But the Droid 3 only have 512MB RAM，this is not mainstream ,atrix 4g same dual core but has a 1G memory.
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Direct Fulfillment starts on 7/7 (hope you have unlimited data locked in before then)
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Heh, I specifically activated an old XV6800 just for that purpose. Moved my wife's old VX8350 (LG flip) to the winmo phone just to get an unlimited plan on her number. Did this on the 6th, and then ordered the D3 the next morning, using the VX8350's NE2 upgrade.
And discovered the XV6800 still has a NE2 upgrade available for it. If/when they come out with a 4G capable slider that upgrade will come in handy.
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But the Droid 3 only have 512MB RAM，this is not mainstream ,atrix 4g same dual core but has a 1G memory.
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Not really. Saying the atrix has 1g ram is a product of marketing. The atrix basically has two operating systems, and two sets of ram. Neither android os, or the webtop os, get to use the full 1g ram.
The same will be likely for the bionic. Unless we see 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram for the bionic. It will have webtop, so unless moto changes the way their phones handle webtop, we can expect 512 for the bionic as well.
Though from everything I've heard so far, the 512 ddr2 memory in the d3 is working just fine, if not better than phones with more, but slower, ram.
I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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Let's really think about this, as I am pretty sure a lot of us are in the same boat as you are. You're probably upset about not having ICS on your D3, as am I. You understand that because the lack of memory in the d3 that it's a hardware limitation, and the 4G LTE service.
Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
Before I go through the motions of getting a new phone, I realized that I have a list of requirements. If you read above, those are the things that I'm most concerned with. Hashcode and dhacker got the ICS hwcodecs working on the razr with the razr build leak... If you ask me, I'm pretty confident they will figure out a solution for the folks who don't want to be on the leak....which should trickle down to us at some point.
My overall recommendation:
If you want ICS on a keyboard phone, wait for ICS to get pushed to D4, then buy it (are you missing out on anything by waiting?). If hashcode and the gang haven't figured out the d3 by then, I'msure d5 or d6 leaks will be coming out ;-)
Sent from my XT860 running ICS
Hasn't ICS been leaked for the D4? I though P3Droid tweeted about it the other day.
yea its out. official, and stable.
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Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
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This applies to any device at any update/upgrade point. Minimal cost additions (case, dock, etc..) and can be sold with the older device to increase its sale potential/price.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
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There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
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None of any manufactures lineups have intel chipsets and only a few are quad core...and 99% of all the LTE devices are being stepped down to dual core vs. their quad core counterparts (3G/GSM) variants.
I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
I paid full retail, if an upgrade was available...I'd have done it the day my upgrade was available.
Tom
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how long until vzw sends the d4 as a warranty replacement for dead d3's?
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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OK, ratman's theory of phone purchases: Never spend more than $50 on a phone. That's why I, like you, got a D3 not long before the D4 release. My wife actually got her D3 for free AFTER the D4 release. when you only spend $50 or less on it then you don't feel so bad when it becomes obsolete a couple of months later (as they almost always do). We got our D1's when they were two for $99 with renewal BTW.
So, since you have an upgrade coming, I'd say wait. Unless you are just pining away for 4G, a D4 isn't all that big an upgrade compared to a D3 until ICS comes out for it. On that it depends if you insist on the VZW official release or are willing to accept a leaked variant. By the time an official VZW release comes out, there will be new phones out and the D4 will become the $50 bargain basement phone...but still a great phone..and that's the time to make the move. It will probably be a long time before something faster than 4G comes along and I think a D4 with ICS is going to have about as much "staying power" as any phone on the market.
Of course then, people will be whining about "why can't I get Android 5.0, or 6.0 or 27.6 etc, etc.
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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
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I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
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Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
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I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
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Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
No, no intention of getting off the official update path. Just pointing out how complete the "leaked" ICS build is....that I expect the official release closer to a 3 month max time frame and not six months later.
The OP is on Verizon, so will have to worry about their data package plans/changes.
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Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.
I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...
Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
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Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
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Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
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See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
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I meant to say Moto over HTC. And 512 is fine for me, I have no problems at all with my phone. Never use any more than 300mb of ram. But yeah, moto is dumb. Phones out with 720p screens a year before moto can do it.. but at least they can get a battery right
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I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
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Who knows what's really in the works now, but there haven't been many 2012 phones announced yet this year other than the HTC one series, a couple of LG phones and the galaxy S3. Motorola did say that they will be partnering up with Intel, with their medfield architecture earlier this year. I'm just saying, we don't know what's coming this year.
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...Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
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Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
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I dont expect every release to be a breakthrough, but at least significantly better, if its not going to be they should stop coming out with so many new devices. D2 was what the droid 3 should have been, droid 4 should have been droid 3. X2 should have been bionic, bionic should have been razr, razr should have been what this new upcoming fighter should be. Motorola sucks.
I am thinking of getting a HTC One. But, after seeing the spec sheet of Snapdragon, comparing the Snapsragon 600 (used in HTC One) vs the Snapdragon 800 the latter seems to be far better than the 600 series. Also, in the spec sheet the SD 600 is categorized under mid-high end phones, where the SD 800 is intended for super premium phones, tablets and smart tv's. Source: Spec sheet and Qualcomm Press Release
So, I'd like to know your opinions. Should I go for the HTC One, which seems a great phone overall, just not the best possible SOC (but great enough for a phone I reckon), or should I wait for one of the first Snapdragon 800 devices?
These days no matter which phone you buy, few months later something better will get released.
And besides that, at the moment snapdragon s4 pro is best soc available(until htc one comes out) and snapdragon 600 is suppose to be 40% better in performances, so I would definitely go for it...
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I don't think we will see the 800 on phones at least not until a new chip can beat the 600.....
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at this point i honestly feel like phones don't really have a need to get any faster for day-to-day usage. it's more about software features. 1080p is nice, but it's not a MUST HAVE over a 720p. snapdragon 800 is a great bonus if you're in the market for a smartphone when it comes out, but getting the s4 pro or the 600 will probably not give you any lag or speed problems. i mostly root and install stock android on most of my phones so the 2 things i always look for are:
1. battery life
2. design
that's it. though i wonder if i'd rather stay on htc sense if i ever get an htc phone. everyone always bashes it but i find sense to be extremely good looking (even better than stock).
S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
after the S800 the S900 then the S1000 etc... every few months there will be something newer and faster just like dual core, quad core and now the supposed 8core chips that are being developed or already developed ... as well as the SGS3 then SGS4 then SGS5 , note 3, then note 4 etc.. you get the idea if you wait for the newer thing thats "about to come out" then your gonna always end up waiting and never have anything ...
Since I get a new phone every 2 years I could wait a couple of months for better, newer hardware though. SD800 devices are said to use Quick Charge 2.0 and Voice activation, which are ONLY available only for the SD800 devices. I read somewhere that there are already 55 SD800 devices in the works (source), so waiting a couple more months for a significant performance boost, even lower battery drain, and charging the battery up to 75% faster seems logical to me. (Not to mention encode/decode of 4K HD content, 50% boost in graphics and 100% boost in performance due to Adreno 330, 50% faster LTE bandwidth and clocked to 2,3GHz) Those are a lot of high percentages! Voice activation could be interesting, but I rarely use voice so that's not a big deal for me. Maybe in the future when Google Now becomes available in the Netherlands though.
The comments are understandable that you should not wait for the next best thing as you will end up having nothing. But a few more months for such a performance and feature boost, to me, is a better insurance my phone will keep up the next 2 years (hardware wise).
But thanks again for the replies!
Well, I've had early access to one running a final build in Canada. If it's performance you're worried about; I've ran Nenamark 2 on it, and it never went below 60 FPS. The result was 60.2 average.
The only major thing that could have made me wait though is the quicker charging feature, however I mostly charge my devices at night so charging times makes little difference to me.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm biased towards the One. I've been following it since it was just a rumor and had already pre-ordered it.
Its the most poerful device rite now..what else do u want? Evn s4 wont be that big a difference..and plasticky
Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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LC, will we see your work on hTC One??
I'm definitely getting 600 snapdragon and past 800,1200. And getting 1600. LOL. There's always gonna be a better phone, I'm not gonna wait forever.
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i take now, is away more powerfull than my gs3 and better construction
HTC One + will be out in a couple of months after the S4 release, as HTC always does.
And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
Trekest said:
And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Until a couple of months down the line when something else that makes us drool is released.
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ethan3686 said:
S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
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According to some rumours there may be S800 phones out as early as July. I don't think anyone really knows.
I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
And the Results are? :::drum roll:::
Greetings, Bramgg. After Googling the SAME question... it brought me to your post and this forum. I was fascinated by some of the insightful comments you got on this post, Bramgg. i'm a AT&T customer in the US and unless i plan on losing my fishing partner (and more importantly his boat!! lol) i'm pretty locked in with my service provider! Lol.
I currently am using an HTC Vivid (pausing for those reading this to groan) and i'm primarily still using that phone because i have been dragging my feet waiting for the Snapdragon 800. i happen to REALLY like HTC even though i can't deny the sluggish performance and lag times on the Vivid have been verrrry frustrating. I guess my frustration is part of the reason i have dragged my feet in selecting a new phone but honestly, i can't take it any more!! i need a new phone.... hopefully in the next few days.
I have a real fascination with the Snapdragon 800... and am curious if you waited for it or went with the 600 as you were contemplating? Are you pleased with the speed? This is kind of embarrassing to admit on an advanced user forum but i'm not even aware if the 800 is out yet and available on HTC devices. I'm not completely locked into HTC i guess, but i do like the 'Shortcut to Four Apps' feature on the lock screen and i do think they build a high quality phone compared to many of the other companies who flood the market with phones and discontinue them three months later.
Thanks in advance for any help you or others reading this can provide... i'm very anxious to have a phone that responds more quickly.
Steven
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Shadow, I'm fascinated (and slightly jealous! lol) of your knowledge on processors. i told Bramgg (in a post below on this thread) a few details about what i'm contemplating and why. May i get your thoughts please... when time permits, of course. i suppose i could wait a week or so if something specific had already been announced but i'm not sure i can wait much longer for a new device as i'm verrrrrry frustrated with the lagging on the HTC Vivid. The Vivid has a 1.2 GHz dualcore processor with 1GB of memory... but it's not cutting it. Texts, Apps opening... all verry slow.
Thanks in advance.
Steven
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I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
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