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I'm thinking of getting an Acer A1. I live in Canada and have used a G1 before it arrived here, so i think it's time to upgrade. However Canada is lacking in the android department and if i get a phone like the Nexus One...although i can use it on my network, i will only get 2g speeds (which suck). So I was wondering for those of you out there who may have used a few android phones if you can answer a few questions for me to help me decide!
1) How does the hardware/feel of the phone feel compared to others? (acer tends to be lower build quality)
2) What is the highest android firmware version we have ported, I've read around that 2.1 is on it...but can someone confirm this?
3) Does anyone know if the nexus one is coming to canada anytime soon? Or the release date of the Sony x10? (this way i can wait for a more preferred phone)
Thanks in advance!
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1) How does the hardware/feel of the phone feel compared to others? (acer tends to be lower build quality)
2) What is the highest android firmware version we have ported, I've read around that 2.1 is on it...but can someone confirm this?
3) Does anyone know if the nexus one is coming to canada anytime soon? Or the release date of the Sony x10? (this way i can wait for a more preferred phone)
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I have used these Android-phones: HTC G1, HTC Hero, Sony Ericsson X10 (@work) and I have a Acer Liquid myself.
1/ The Liquid device feels a little more "plastic" then other current phones. Also read from alot of people that have dropped their phones in the floor and got problems with "leaking" displays. Dont have any problems with mine Liquid however...
2/ 2.1 is working on Liquid. Using 2.1 on my liquid without any big problems. Still a leaked dev-release that is modified, but it works well with the modifications Angio&Co have made to it.
3/ Dont know anything about release-dates, but I have to say: Dont expect Sony Ericsson X10 to be alot better then the other devices out there. To start with it is "already old" running Android 1.6. It also has the same amount of ram as Acer Liquid. The CPU runs on 1ghz and the Liquid runs on 768mhz, but the Liquid is still faster on starting apps and in respons (this may change to release of X10... but dont expect it...). The "only" things that makes X10 good is the bigger screen and the camera. But I would go for a N1 instead if I was going to buy a phone today...
hi, i'm from Italy and i get my Liquid only 2 month ago, but i can tell you that i'm very happy about my choice.
Before that phone, i had on Iphone 3GS but someone stoled it
Anyway... Hardware 8,5:
Good processor, IMPRESSIVE Touch screen, too plastic cover (not very impression of resistance)
Design 8: very beautiful black screen but the button of camera, volume and pause are placed not in correct mode because they are "descent" and when you are making a pic, often the finger slips to bottom.
Battery 4: only a day of autonomy
My opinion....is a great phone
i got it because is the only android i can get in 1900 3g band... (rogers dream and magic were more expensive to me, go figure, i live in colombia)
its really nice, very fast and i like the looks, its way better than 1st gen android phones, up there with the nexus and the milestone
Thanks for the feedback guys! Looks like I'm going to be going with the Liquid...at least until the N1 makes it's way to Canada! Thanks again!
bgmrk , be prepared for bad customer service. I really mean that, take a look at http://android.modaco.com/content/acer-liquid-liquid-modaco-com/302053/scary-liquidscary-screenhorrible-pictures/
Most of the people in that thread dropped their phones but some did not. Anyway, look and read some of the replies they got from Acer.
As long as I keep my phone alive and well and I don't have to deal with Acer then I say this: I love my Liquid.
MMMM i'm aware of the poor customer service from Acer, having my last laptop be from them. Thats one of the deciders in my choice. Acer products tend to have a low build quality, but thats what makes them cheaper. I'm willing to give it a shot though. Thanks for that link! it was a good read
it's a great device and the price tag is great for what you get, the price performance tag is the best of the whole market for now
I'm pretty happy with my Liquid right now. I initially wanted the black version, but I was sent the wrong one. I was going to send it back, but after a few days with it, I decided that I really wanted to keep it. Now, Acer isn't exactly known for phones, let alone smartphones, so I was a bit hesitant. I can tell you, the phone is much better in person than in screenshots. The build quality is pretty good, it does creak a little bit if twisted a little. The battery cover will NOT come off unless pried, a good thing. Currently, the N1 is the only device with better specs on the market. At a little less than $400, it's a great buy for an unlocked smartphone. The only complaints I might have are the external speaker, which really is bad, and the screen, although very good in clarity and quality, sometimes doesn't register. But, it could be the OS too. Anyway, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the device.
Overall I would give it an 8.5 out of 10.
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MMMM i'm aware of the poor customer service from Acer, having my last laptop be from them. Thats one of the deciders in my choice. Acer products tend to have a low build quality, but thats what makes them cheaper. I'm willing to give it a shot though. Thanks for that link! it was a good read
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not sure if you read the blogs but the n1 is available to canadians. but afte a full 24hrs of research, i'm still highly interested in liquid. thanks for starting this thread. it has also helped me to decide.
ive had my Liquid since christmas. previously i was a winmo HTC user. ive got about 10 HTC devices at home.
i have to say im more than happy with the quality of the Liquid. i wasnt aware of any problems with the screen but after reading that link posted above i find it hard to believe that anyone would expect Acer to repair/replace a device under warranty that had clearly been dropped in such a way that the screen broke. idots in my opinion.
ive had experience of most of Acers smartphone/PDA devices in the past and was always of the opinion that they were pretty rubbish when compared to other manufacturers. the Liquid has changed my opinion of them though.
i love it!
The acer is the best phone with this price: very fast and nice system
I love my Liquid. I got it since January, and it's been great. I think it is the best looking Android phone out there.
I have a HTC Kaiser (aka Tytn II). It wasn't as great as most websites claim it is. You could say it was over-rated. But with Acer Liquid, it was the opposite. The reviews on the Liquid were mostly mixed but when you actually use it, it is quite good.
Now, i am hesitant to get phones of HTC. Two reasons. One is that HTC is slow to fix/update ROM's. The other one is UI customizations (Sense UI in HTC's case and Motoblur in Motorola's case). I think these customizations cause problems with apps. I download a lot of apps from the Market and see a lot of comments about the apps not working on HTC xxx or Motorola xxx. But they all worked fine on my Liquid. So, i prefer "vanilla" Android because i think most developers write for "vanilla" Android.
I see a lot of comments about apps not working on Nexus One, too, but it is different. Nexus One uses Eclair and it is newer than most Android phones out there so there are bound to be problems with apps written for pre-Eclair Android.
All in all, Liquid is a great phone!
Just got my Liquid a few days ago too. I use it with no data plan (wi-fi only) on T-Mobile in the U.S. I owned a myTouch 3G when it first came out, it feels snappier and has better specs than that device. The hardware buttons are a bit hard to fumble with, but no device is perfect. I'm impressed with the camera, 5MP, even has ISO 100-800 manual settings. If Acer follows through and gives us an updated 2.1 ROM for the A1, then they are well on their way to carving a slice of the Android pie.
So I've seen a few of these threads, but neither were really much help. I'm either already eligible or will soon be eligible for an upgrade, and I'm really thinking about getting either the Epic or the Evo. The Evo is a big contender, just because it's made by HTC and the camera is better, from what I've seen (haven't really seen video/pics from the Epic yet. Basically, the only thing I'm really hoping for is better battery life than I'm currently getting with my Hero (probably won't see the need to overclock whichever phone I get, I'll underclock it a bit if anything, I'm happy with the speed of my Hero at 629mhz).
So basically, it comes down to:
Price: which is cheaper, where can I get the best deal? 2 year extension, and my price *should* be the same as the new customer pricing.
Battery Life: will it be better than the 6 hours or so I get with my Hero?
CM6 availability: I'll probably stick with this ROM, I love it so much on my Hero.
camera: is the Epic's camera better than my Hero's? Also, this isn't completely about MP, since it's the actual quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Do either/both have an LED flash?
form factor: I have no problem with a device being completely touch-based, but from what I've seen/experienced with the Epic, I really like the keyboard.
known issues: what issues are known for each device? I know of GPS with the Epic, but are there any issues to keep an eye out for on the Evo?
HTC vs Samsung: I got the Hero over the Moment simply because despite the Moment's better specs, the Hero just "felt" better. How does the slider on the Epic feel? Sturdy? This isnt something I've really seen in reviews. Overall build quality of the phone? Any crazy Hero-esque dust issues with either phone? I also have seen some chipping/peeling of paint on my phone, any wear issues with either phone?
futureproofing: what's the life span of each phone look like? I know the Evo is probably coming up on EOL, and I've heard rumors of an Evo 2 for a while.
Hopefully we can keep this fairly unbiased, but I'm sure I'll get some people saying that one is better just because of whatever, but I'm hoping that I'll get some flat out opinions from both sides of the fence.
Really Me would be EVO. I can't bring myself to trust samsung anymore..
Who cares bout the life span anymore. I mean hell new phones come out everyday.etc.
I mean If you got the EVO right now. will It be underpowered this time next year? Doubt it.
I have an Evo, but I'll keep this as unbiased as I can. I know hardly anything about the Epic.
1.The Evo is $50 cheaper than the Epic with a two year contract.
2. Runing CM6, I get about eighteen hours of total on time, and six and a half with the screen on (texting, web browsing, all that). I'm a pretty heavy user. However, the Evo is infamous for its bad battery life in reviews and such. I never had any problems, and most of the battery issues had to do with the phone not sleeping or account syncs eating up the battery. I don't make any compromises (like keeping 3G off or turning my syncs off) to get the numbers I listed. I don't know anything about the Epic's battery.
3. CM6 RC1 is available for the Evo. The dev support is really strong. Epic doesn't have much dev support from what I've heard.
4. The Evo's camera isn't very good. It shoots 720p video, but with the stock Sense ROM (and custom Sense ROMs) it's only good quality with plenty of light. The general consensus is that the code written for the camera isn't very good.
5. This is completely opinion. I know there are times when a physical keyboard would be nice, but I have no problems with an onscreen keyboard and Swype.
6. The Evo had screen separation issues and light leak issues, but they weren't widespread and Sprint will fix you up if you run into one of those things. I didn't.
7. This is the same reason I chose the Evo over the Epic. It just felt better, for whatever reason. The build quality is very good on the Evo. My only problem with the phone's design is that the battery cover is pretty thin. It gives slightly when you put pressure on it.The screen and the rest of the phone is solid. I've heard some people complain about dust under the screen. I've had my Evo since August and haven't had that issue.
8. Not sure. I know that there have been rumours about some dual-core phones hitting the market in Q1/Q2 2011, but I can't see myself needing anything other than my Evo until then.
I hope that helps. I don't know a whole lot about the Epic. I know that the screen is fantastic, but the dev support isn't that great and to me, the Evo just feels better. I'm not an HTC fanboy or anything - if somebody took my Evo and gave me an Epic, I'm sure I wouldn't be too upset.
I agree, it'd be an evo for me, not a huge samsung/physical keyboard fan myself
The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
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Honestly this is a decision you have to make on your own. What you want. If I had an upgrade right now I would pass due to lack of phones I want (mytouch4g for sprint). If I had to choose though right now between evo and samsung epic, hands down evo. Samsung support sucks of all the devices they made read up on the behold 2. They got it bad. This is pretty much a continuing thing with samsung. If you like cyanogen it's already got support on the evo. The evo is kinda big though like a tablet (damn I'm thinking about android tablets again). Basically only reason I would choose evo is it's support base. I don't get lured in by prettyness (is that a word?). Real support can make or break a phone in my opinion. Story time ...
once upon a time I was with at&t bought an unlocked windows mobile phone from overpriced.com. AT&T wouldn't give me the mms settings (even though the phone was sold at at&t stores) and couldn't find them online. I tried and tried and eventually figured out at&t wasn't for me. They made my phone useless. Not much of a story.
Also samsung doesn't officially have drivers for windows 64. Try and find them. I've got them now due to looking all over the place don't believe me? Go through that mess samsung calls a website.
Sorry I really don't like samsung. I have really good reasons though
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The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!
to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
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to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
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Forget battery life if I have a 1.5 GHz dual core phone
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i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable...
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When did that (CM 6.1 stable) come out?
something like three weeks ago? 10/28
Opinion...
first of all....i would probably get an Evo before epic, but what i noticed in the thread was...well a lot of people are trying to compare the moment and epic(i had moment and i'm done with samsung)i just dont think its right....
i mean...it is the same thing to compare hero and evo...
there's just no comparison....
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something like three weeks ago? 10/28
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Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
andythegreenguy said:
Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Correct.
Also, Epic still doesn't have a date for 2.2, ouch.
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Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Yeh, if you are being technical. But typically that's what's referred to as the "stable" build.
get whatever makes u happy.lol
If I was still with sprint I would pass on both. since i dont want to pay 10 bucks extra a month.. Sprint needs something like the incredible.. but without 4g.. but its either pay extra for the evo or epic or the hero. cause honestly wouldnt mess with those budget androids on sprint..
Just remember most if not all HTC androids will have better support than samsung or lg etc.. not to mention You will find way more cases and battery options with HTC too.
i was in the exact same boat as op. i went and played with both for about an hour. the choice was clearly Evo
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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!
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I'm with you. Just hope I don't have to wait too much past Jan/Feb for it. I'm eligible for an upgrade 12/1, but I know there's some great new hardware coming soon!
get an evo my friend. the epic is only for people who need a keyboard. the screen on the epic is awesome but i think the evo has more development and roms. best phone ive purchased soo far is my evo.
I just upgraded to the captivate about a week and a half ago so I could return it and get the Inspire when it's released if I wanted. I've been looking everywhere trying to compare the two and just can't make up my mind. So, what are some pros and cons of both?
Captivate-
Pros:
AMOLED Screen (4" screen is a pro for me)
Battery Life
Great Dev support already
Thin
Good Camera
Cons:
GPS not as accurate as I'd like
Samsung & AT&T aren't supporting it very well.
Inspire-
Pros:
HTC build quality
HTC Sense
Better Camera
4G Speeds (although my captivate has some amazing speeds with different modems)
Most likely better support
GPS
Cons-
Large non AMOLED screen
Thick
Poor battery life
Kind of a last generation phone (HTC desire HD) with added 4g speeds
I think it will come down to being able to see the two phones side by side once the Inspire 4G actually comes out next Sunday. I also am looking at it, because I've always liked HTC in terms of build quality and HTC Sense, but at the same time my Captivate is a more than capable phone. Sure HSPA+ would be nice, but it's not in my area yet, so I don't really have that to worry about at the moment. I plan on seeing how it performs against the captivate once it's actually out, and then deciding whether I want to buy it or not. I suppose I could lobby for it for a late birthday present, it is 3 days after my bday I'm not going to use an upgrade until AT&T has LTE phones available though, that would be purchased retail.
Because I don't even use data, it doesn't even matter whether it's 4G or not; I just use my Wi-fi.
I think what it's really boiling down for me is just the great quality HTC builds their phones with, plus the fact that Cyanogenmod is already being developed for it.
While my Captivate has been nice for the past month and a half, I'm going to have to ring ATT Warranty ASAP and get the Inspire from them, tell them about my shutdown issues [I had a refurb Captivate to begin with], so they'll have to exchange it for me.
I'm not even going to wait for Atrix or Infuse, not worth it.
How will you get an inspire?
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How will you get an inspire?
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I'm wondering this myself. I know that with Verizon if you have a phone replaced 3 times they will give you a different phone of equal or lesser value, but won't they just replace it for a captivate that doesnt have the shut down issues? I don't see how they would just upgrade you for free....
At&T has already stated that they will not be offering me phone models to those who have had the shutdown issue. This is not to say that some nobody will convince them othwise bit the policy of offering a new model after three replacements has already met resistence from at&T even before people have had the opportunity to try.
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I'm wondering this myself. I know that with Verizon if you have a phone replaced 3 times they will give you a different phone of equal or lesser value, but won't they just replace it for a captivate that doesnt have the shut down issues? I don't see how they would just upgrade you for free....
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At&T has already stated that they will not be offering me phone models to those who have had the shutdown issue. This is not to say that some nobody will convince them othwise bit the policy of offering a new model after three replacements has already met resistence from at&T even before people have had the opportunity to try.
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It's not an 'upgrade' technically... ATT warranty will make you switch out the phone twice. The third time you call in, they'll probably be reluctant to give you a different make and model, but you have to insist. If that doesn't work, have them transfer you to either a floor manager [they walk around and have administrative rights], a supervisor [not always as effective], or the Resolutions team, which is just a group of administrators that are sometimes really helpful when you're trying to do this.
Obviously you'll have to wait until they actually have refurb Inspires, you're not going to walk in there on launch day and ask them for a refurb... You have to make it as if you aren't obviously looking to get a better phone. What I usually tell them is that the phone has [insert problem here], and once they send me the second phone, I'll check the IMEI, make sure it's in the affected range of IMEIs, and then report it again. By then, you can say something like you went to an ATT RETAIL store, and they told you to call in about this phone that is very similar called the Inspire. When they ask you why you didn't just replace it there, tell them that RETAIL STORES DO NOT OFFER RECONDITIONED PHONES.
By now, they've run out of luck and will process the order for you.
Cheers!
The AMOLED screen sucks. Big time. Text is grainy. Solid colors and gradients look oily/rainbowy. Everything is oversaturated.
im thinking about switching to the Inspire or Atrix (Inspire just got more interesting as I dont like the pricing policiy on the Atrix).
I have had the Captivate for a couple of months now. Nothing wrong with it per se, it des everything its meant to, but I spend my time trying to make it have the look and feel of Sense!
Captivate has a great camera (better pictures than any HTC device I have ever used, and I have had many) and a bigger battery. Screen is very good, but I like bigger screens.
so Im going back and forth. Is there really anything that much better on the Inspire?
I sent back an aria 3 times and they sent me a captivated. So they will upgrade you
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im thinking about switching to the Inspire or Atrix (Inspire just got more interesting as I dont like the pricing policiy on the Atrix).
I have had the Captivate for a couple of months now. Nothing wrong with it per se, it des everything its meant to, but I spend my time trying to make it have the look and feel of Sense!
Captivate has a great camera (better pictures than any HTC device I have ever used, and I have had many) and a bigger battery. Screen is very good, but I like bigger screens.
so Im going back and forth. Is there really anything that much better on the Inspire?
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Camera flash, Droid x screen size, 8 mgp camera, HTC support, community devs, build quality, OS upgrades.
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I was offered a free upgrade to a new inspire after my third captivate failed. I had to really fight for it, but after an ATT rep suggested I find a new phone on EBay, I was mad enough to ask for his supervisor. That did it. Problem solved. I really did want to stay with ATT because our whole extended family is with them, so I asked them to please help keep us from switching. I love the inspire - except for the lack of swype. I miss that feature
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Camera flash, Droid x screen size, 8 mgp camera, HTC support, community devs, build quality, OS upgrades.
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build quality? really have you ever looked inside one of those things? what makes you think it is built better?
The pros a cons from comparing both side by side.
Inspire :
Pros :
Big screen
Great ui
Decent GPS
Great feel
Cons :
Considerably slower than captivate
Horrid battery life(carry your charger)
Confusing settings and menus
Even with sense eventually you're going to flash another ui (on to other things)
Terrible build quality
Captivate:
Pros:
Awesome bright and clear screen(better than the atrix by far)
Good battery life(up to three days)
Thin
Swype
Great community support
Great build quality
Cons:
Terrible GPS unless the sky is clear on all roms
Can drain a battery fast(its powerful)
Kind of small
Now notice how I didn't list support as a pro for either. THE SUPPORT FOR BOTH PHONES IS THROUGH ATT AND SUCKS ASS. Contacting HTC only got me sent to att and it sucked. Just getting a battery rma was a pain.
Now if you want to go for android get the inspire. Its built for android. If you don't mind waiting for gingerbread and spruce then get the captivate. We love our terrible GPS for a reason. Its better all around.
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my gps is fantastic on the captivate, even inside. you are all nuts!
to be honest i have seen gps complaints from friends on just about all smart phones. even the inspire.
captivate pros
thin
light
high contrast screen
fast graphics processor
good battery life
hsupa with ported roms
easy flashing
odin for when you do something dumb
wolfson audiochip + supercurio voodoo sound(enough said)
cons
incosistant gps
rfs on stock roms
inspire pros
fast
sense
hsdpa+ upgradable to hspa+ in the future
big screen
extra ram 768mb vs 512mb
8mp camera
cons
sense
no hsupa or hsupa+
graphics not as fast as galaxy s
lcd screen is not as vivid or high in contrast
heavy
thick
bad battery life
ugly
Dani897 said:
my gps is fantastic on the captivate, even inside. you are all nuts!
to be honest i have seen gps complaints from friends on just about all smart phones. even the inspire
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Can I ask where you live? Ussually some places have better GPS than others(Texas and new York being the best due to building mounted GPS towers).
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Can I ask where you live? Ussually some places have better GPS than others(Texas and new York being the best due to building mounted GPS towers).
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orange county new york. not anywhere near nyc, actually nyc can cause issues with the tall buildings but i can navigate there decently now. i have driven down to philly and dc without issues and up to buffalo. i really dont think it is a regonal thing
it wasn't always that way. jf6 and jh2-3 roms needed a clear sky.
ji6 would crash the gps if i changed settings causing it to fail to start gps untill i preformed a factory reset, simply reverting settings i changed and clearing gps data did not help. (the samsung app also corrected this situation without reverting any settings)
jj4 was the first rom i was able to use the gps without looking at the weather or being carefull about what i did with the gps settings.
with da_g's fix it did not crash like i described above on ji6 based roms.
but now after trying several modems and gps settings i find that there are several good modems. kc1 is my new favorite. kp1 seems to work good on some roms and act erratically on others. jl3 works good for gps as does jk3-4 but jl3 is better than the jk3-4 modems by a small amount. none of those modems are as good in call quality as kp1 and kc1. there may be others that are good.
also ms based modes can cause random blue circles and incoming calls cause loss of gps signal. i think it is an interference problem. but running gps in standalone mode with a kc1 modem and da_g gps fix for good measure gives me the best gps i have ever had on a phone(provided i dont get incoming calls)
The incoming call problem you describe is because the phone a GPS share a chip causing interference. Anyways thank you for the information. Always interesting to see how people fix it. And KB and kc modems have the audience chop so it sounds awesome. Buy it only works with KB and kc kernels as well otherwise you don't get that awesome chip. Anyways thread Jack over.
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I had the captivate and switched to inspire and have liked the inspire so much more since day 1. Sense is a great user interface and runs smoother than touchwiz. there are ways that you can make the battery last longer as well ie juice defender and such. It has a flash for the camera which for whatever reason was lacking from the captivate. The captivate had terrible support from ATT and samsung and i broke two of them in a matter of months. First one the speaker broke second one the power button broke i am not buying a samsung phone ever again because of the captivate
Thats right people, i just made the million dollar question. As a quick background, ive owned an ETEN X500 (terrible phone), an HTC TD2 (ridiculous newton rings issues) and up until a few days i was a proud owner of an Acer Liquid E, which was, with the help of some geniuses up at modaco, an amazing handset which had cost me only about 280 euros more than a year ago. Due to a terrible car accident (from which i miraculously survived almost intact) the Liquid fell into the sea and, well, thats all with that. As you can tell im not into paying incredible money for a phone, since i hate contracts (pay-as-you-go is the future lol), so id rather save up and pay for an unlocked device. I have found a pretty good deal on the Optimus 2X, about 380 Euros, which i consider great for a dual-core device, but as i keep on reading page after page here, im quite shocked on the amount of issues this phone has. The screen bleeding is really nothing new for an IPS LCD display, ive seen it b4 and im sure ill see it again, and its only noticeable in extreme situations (full brightness, black background and nothing else) so im not so much worried about it. The lag/freeze/reboot situation is a completely different issue of course. There are so many people experiencing these problems that one may think that the 2X is a faulty device by design, but im still not totally convinced about it. Are we seriously talking about bad HW here, or is there any substantial hope of getting a holy-grail-type SW fix? I know that this has been talked over again and again and i have already read more than 50 pages on that, so my question goes more to the people that have done serious research on the issue and could, possibly, have a more global view on it. The phone does have all im lookin for on a device: dual-core CPU, LCD display (S-AMOLED burn-in? no thanx), HDMI, 1080p video, affordable.. But having lots of doubts, as expected.
Anyways, any thoughts/replies would be very welcome.
PS Even if i dont end up buying the phone, good luck to the owers
Peace
Buy it, root it, install CM7 on it, most issues would be gone. Gingerbread also slated to come soon. This is a value for money phone imo.
The freeze problem I think are not on every device. I think that some countries do not have this prohlem at all. Like here in Slovakia I read a lot of reviews and people reviews, and no one was affected by this problem. So I bought it too, and never this problem never happened so far. So... you make a conclusion
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Buy the phone, The bang for buck is high regarding performance. Screen is good and if you lucky like me almost no back bleeding. The phone itself has a solid build and you get the Quality feel when you hold it. Camera is good and HD recording as well.
I only had the random reboot issue at the begging but with the latest Update its better now, has occurred but not that often like 1 in a month or something. Lags sometimes when installing apps or the F-secure is doing its thing.
Overall i'm happy with the phone, Just wished that LG put more ram and faster NAND. However don't get me wrong the phone doesn't bottleneck because of this performance wise. If i where you and wanted powerhouse that's cheap then the 2x is for you.
Also note that i run Stock ROM froyo, think with GB things will get better.
A tip if you get it change the launcher right away or put another ROM(CM7 or Modaco if you ask me, also check out MIUI) and Kernel.
(Haven't done it myself cause of lack of time, need to start exploring Android dev wise. Used to work with Winmo 6.1 on my xperia x1 (old dev) ).
If you have plans to use custom ROMs, buy it. I never had any problems with it.
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Thanx for the replies guys, its good to know that things may not be as bad for everybody. I guess i might take my chances with this one.. Ill def be doing some more reading bout it though.. thanc again
I compared 5 phones:
Sony Ericsson Arc - no front facing camera
Motorola Atrix - no FM radio
Samsung Galaxy S2 - great phone, but a little out of my budget
HTC Sensation - a real contender, but more expensive than the LG and starting to get close in price to the Samsung
LG O2X - the lowest price with all the features I wanted.
I've had one reboot in over one month's use: I had the LG tethered to my notebook (works surprisingly well as a 3G modem). Surfing the net and charging the phone at the same time. I then started making voice calls and Tango video calls while still tethered to the internet and charging.
I could feel the LG starting to get a little warm and then bada bing! Re-boot.
I think I pushed it a little too hard that day.
Under normal use and conditions, my LG works well.
I would happily buy another one of these bronze beauties.
(I think black is also available, but I only ever seem to see the bronze coloured handsets)
Rhetorical answer - No.
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Hi mate, are you from Italy?
I bought it 10 days ago at the same price you said on an Italian website (maybe the same u saw) and I had a lot of BSOD. IMO when you find it at a very low price it's because they have "bad" phones and they want to sell them as soon as possibile but I don't know if this is true!
But you have to consider that with the warranty you are almost sure that any issue will be resolved, you just have to wait... Mine is at the LG center right now and I'm waiting for it. Luckyli my HTC Magic is still working, so I have a good replacement during the wait!
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand everything
CYA
After first few days I was realy disapointed. The SW is realy but realy crap, battery was overheating, lasted only few hours. Response of the phone was very slow and I had few reboots. After 3 days I rooted it, flashed MODACO rom and ... I couldnt get better device for the price.
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With modaco no modaco cm7 this phone is crap going back to iphone when it comes out !gs2 froam samsung is the king !my friend has it is super fast no lags wait befoure you buy i have this phone froam april its not good i paid it 500 €!
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Hi mate, are you from Italy?
I bought it 10 days ago at the same price you said on an Italian website (maybe the same u saw) and I had a lot of BSOD. IMO when you find it at a very low price it's because they have "bad" phones and they want to sell them as soon as possibile but I don't know if this is true!
But you have to consider that with the warranty you are almost sure that any issue will be resolved, you just have to wait... Mine is at the LG center right now and I'm waiting for it. Luckyli my HTC Magic is still working, so I have a good replacement during the wait!
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand everything
CYA
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I am in Spain actually and it seems that my case looks a lot like yours. The retailer is very well known and it sells in all Europe. There is only 1-5 phones on stock at the moment so i think that maybe its a 'bad batch' that they are trying to get rid of, hence the low price tag. Mixed opinions here as well, so.. im really not sure about it at all. Continue reading
I'm satisfied of the phone...
When I buy it I had a lot of SODs with stock rom, but now with CM7 and MIUI this phone is much better...
Call quality is good
Camera is good (the glass in front of camera is crap...you have to clean it every time otherwise it causes the "myst" problem on the photos)
Battery is average
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Its done.. Ordered the phone today, should have it by wednesday.. Fingers crossed..
Good luck.
Phone: LG Optimus 2X
Android version: 2.2.2
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So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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in Holland u can get it for €318,-
its alot cheaper then the €478,- for the galaxy S2 and Sensation.
2 of my hfriends have a sensation and galaxy s2. mine is the fastest
(i want an optimus 3d now )
i can only choose between LG O2x or Nexus S, i like the timely software support of the S but the specs on LG are way superior...should i just get the LG?
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So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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Abot the battery issue, Ive been having it too after one month using it. The thing is, that the phone actually gets charged, but somehow the phone unable to detect the actual battey level.
I found that restarting the phone will get the phone to redetect the battery again. I think its a SW problem though, so any custom ROM will likely fix the problem.
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i can only choose between LG O2x or Nexus S, i like the timely software support of the S but the specs on LG are way superior...should i just get the LG?
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If you like to have the latest version of Android OD with no bells and whistles then get the Nexus.
If you like to wait 6+ months for LG to install a boatload of crap (that nobody wants) into a phone, then be late for work every other day because the alarm didn't work etc etc then go for the LG.
Nexus S anytime.
So the time has passed. Updates have come(?). Overall are you happy with your Lg 2x? I am certainly not.
I am not happy with my 2X. Battery drain so quickly, looking for upgrade for iPhone 5 after possibly it gets launch in October or November.
Bought mine in march 2011. If you asked me this in april last year, i would have said yes.
But now, NO! I almost hate my phone, waiting for the SGS3 to be available.
i am wondering why aren't you happy..
i got my phone very cheap and i couldn't get near the specs even with double the money. I am running CM9 and even in this not finished state it runs smoothly and the battery lasts 2 days easy
Why in particular are you unhappy?
the stock froyo was crap, i'd agree with that. but since I'm running cm9, the phone is incredibly smooth and battery life is also great.
just curious
Batterylife is terrible! signal is very unstable when on 3G. I paid full price, i preordered it. I admit, i use the phone alot. Not playing games, but surfing, email, all the stuff a smartphone is smart at. But most of the time it is sitting in the charger. Off screen 0,5%-1%/hour.
If i got it for 250€ then i would be satisfied. I paid too much when comparing it to other phone just a month after.
I did not have reboots or black screens of death the first couple of months. It started to be very annoying in the beginning of this year.
I am quite happy with my o2x, just got it very recently(You might ask why with all the new phones coming out etc, well this phone was much cheaper than any other dual core phone/phone with similar hardware and it seemed to have decent support on here which it does). I am running CM9 on it and it is very smooth, sure battery life isn't too great, but it isn't too bad. Not sure why people are unhappy with it besides the battery life, but honestly you won't get that much better on most other phones. Perhaps it is because you got it for quite a expensive price when it was first released and expected more or something or you are comparing it to newer, more expensive phones?
There currently are satisfied with this phone.
I have not had problems, I had installed many custom rom on it.
The only thing that bothers me is support from LG on the update.
I got it through a series of trades, overall money spent: 150€ ~ 200$
For that price it is a great phone but i don't like it very much. Stock firmware is ugly and updates are slow. With custom roms it is a very nice phone, very smooth and with high battery performance.
On the other side i don't like soft touch buttons (too much space occupied) and the overall design (iphone-like)
Very happy with my phone, i bought it in may or june on contract with Orange and it works out that the phone cost me £168... bargain as you would struggle to get something like a wildfire for that price back then!. But i would be even happier if we had ICS officially now and actually had resources to work with so even better third party roms could be made.
Sometimes i do feel that i just WANT to leave the custom ROM area, sometimes i do just want my phone to WORK it works most of the time but theres a fair amount of slow downs and it can get annoying, but value for money i cant fault it!.
u guys compplaining about the o2x, but i can tell you, my friend has a sgs2 and its battery life is far worse than mine, funny if u consider mine is clocked 200 mhz higher than his and theyr both tegra 2. plus i have never even seen a sgs2 even get close to an o2x, even in every benchmark o2x wins by far especialy in graphics, btw ill leave you some screenshots so u can take your own conclusions. btw, this is only my view not sayinng its an absolute truth but still its awesome to see sgs2 oc'd to 1.5 ghz lose in performance to a 1.4 ghz o2x XD
It is a good phone for apps but the odd radio issues still baffle me.
Data can't be reactivated after being disabled for some time.
GPS, Bluetooth and 3G seems to have some warfare, the radio crashes sometimes when i use my A2DP with maps.
And for most people these issues probably will never happen for them.
EDIT: Another thing to add is that the built quality is great, i like the curved glass edges and the camera is really good.
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It is a good phone for apps but the odd radio issues still baffle me.
Data can't be reactivated after being disabled for some time.
GPS, Bluetooth and 3G seems to have some warfare, the radio crashes sometimes when i use my A2DP with maps.
And for most people these issues probably will never happen for them.
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well, i gotta tell you, im one of those people... XD i never use 3g, only use data if some1 sends me an mms, but i turn it off as soon as i get it, and i always uninstall google maps and all gps related softare coz i simply dont need em, i got 3 gps devices plus the only time i used the gps on the o2x it ate my battery like there was no tomorrow XD
I'm quite happy with my o2x. Running self kang cm7 stable as rock with good battery life. Tonns of features ....
I'm gonna sit till cm9 comes with hwa. Till then cm7 still my daily driver.
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u guys compplaining about the o2x, but i can tell you, my friend has a sgs2 and its battery life is far worse than mine, funny if u consider mine is clocked 200 mhz higher than his and theyr both tegra 2. plus i have never even seen a sgs2 even get close to an o2x, even in every benchmark o2x wins by far especialy in graphics, btw ill leave you some screenshots so u can take your own conclusions. btw, this is only my view not sayinng its an absolute truth but still its awesome to see sgs2 oc'd to 1.5 ghz lose in performance to a 1.4 ghz o2x XD
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Man both phones are clocked to 1.5ghz not only the sgs2
Also you are running cm, whilst galaxy s 2 is running stock
In same conditions i don't know who wins
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Apart lg sucky support and update the phone is good and im happy with it but i would buy another lg device considering lgs reputation now, might go with huawei new quad core device.
Yes
Yes, i've just installed CM9 on my 2x and it's working great.
I've paid a very low price for this phone and i couldn't expect anything better for that price, at least here in Brazil.
The phone has some bugs, such as loss of signal and battery drain, but it's nothing that makes me hate the phone
Nah, I can't say I am happy with my 2X. ****ty LG support which results in bad performance despite good hardware. Very fast battery drain. Random shutdowns oder sleeps of death where I have to take battery out.
The phone (O2X) rocks, its just that the company "LG" sucks (BIG TIME)
As many have stated, it is comparitively cheaper than its competitors having similar or better specs, we're just let down on the software department thanks to LG but even then with great developers around here, it just makes it on par with the rest.
Been using MIUI till recently and now Temasek's ROM, its running really great and I'm glad to have such support from these devs around.
Basically the bad support and sub-sub optimal stock ROM makes the phone crappy. Hardware-wise it's great.