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Should I buy galaxy s? And y did u buy it?

I wana buy this phone but ppl say it has gps problems and laggy but what exactly is wrong with gps? And is the phone fast? Does captivate has these problems ? Do u need app to SD for this phone or everything goes on internal memory ? Please help me pick and y did u guys bought galaxy s for ? Please share

Bought it over the Desire on reviews, looks and GPU.
After seeing how laggy the Desire is first hand and how horrible it looks, I don't regret my choice one bit. The Galaxy S is an incredible phone.

the_ahmadzais said:
I wana buy this phone but ppl say it has gps problems and laggy but what exactly is wrong with gps? And is the phone fast? Does captivate has these problems ? Do u need app to SD for this phone or everything goes on internal memory ? Please help me pick and y did u guys bought galaxy s for ? Please share
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Used to have an HTC Magic (heavily modified) and I needed something else since ROGERS wasn't being good to me and HTC was trying to lock out the SPL. I switched to Bell because of their deals and got the Galaxy S because of it's interface, open recovery, style, and feel.
GPS: It's perfectly fine for me, never had a problem and it tracks perfectly. People seem to have problems but I don't see them with mine.
Laggy: Feels perfectly smooth, I came from an HTC Magic and going to a Galaxy S is night and day; it feels great for me. Some people are just hopping onto the band wagon saying it's laggy and forcing themselves to believe that, others though legitimately have lag, although I am not one.
SD: Everything goes into the internal memory; no A2SD yet until Froyo (official) comes out everywhere then it might have it, but as of now, no A2SD.

Usually people posts on forums because of problems, or just because they want to play with their phone,
Well, if you observe the first page of xda, there are 100people viewing NOne forums, 120 HTC Desire, and...
500 or more on Galaxy S,
don`t know if this means problems or popularity, just a tip..

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Usually people posts on forums because of problems, or just because they want to play with their phone,
Well, if you observe the first page of xda, there are 100people viewing NOne forums, 120 HTC Desire, and...
500 or more on Galaxy S,
don`t know if this means problems or popularity, just a tip..
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Try to remember that Galaxy S is on A LOT of providers meaning we have people of all kinds on the Galaxy S forum compared to NOne where you had to buy full price from Google themselves or Desire where it's only on one/few providers.

I got the Galaxy S for it's specs. I live in Canada so phones like the Evo and Droid X were out of range for me because of CDMA. Galaxy S, with it's nice screen, good processor, and GPU seemed like a natural choice for me for my first smartphone (especially since I play games and watch movies on my phone alot.
Although there are problems with the GPS, I've found it to be usable and secondary GPS programs like CoPilot seem to make the problem a little softer. In terms of some lag, there are multiple lag fixes that can be applied.
Only thing I don't like with the phone is the looks. Everyone who sees it thinks I have an Iphone
All in all a good phone with a lot of potential if you're willing to put the time into it (which was actually sort of fun for me) and don't mind the looks.

It depends what you want it for. The screen for me is by far the main selling point, but as an all round device I honestly couldn't recommend it to anyone. Sounds harsh, but I've just sold mine and got an n1, and the n1 runs rings round it I'm afraid.
The sgs simply has too many niggly bugs which waters down the ownership experience.

I bought my Galaxy S because it seemed like the best phone on the market, even with the issues you can read on the internet, including these forums.
It came with JM2 firmware and I have to say that it worked surprisingly well after reading all that stuff about lag: I barely experienced any lag at all and there weren't many bugs. The biggest complaints I had were about KIES and faults with Android in general. Of course, it would have been nice to have a phone with less crapware (Aldiko eBook? Layar?) installed on stock firmware.
In overall, JM2 was a pleasant version to be on - the biggest lag I experienced was when rebooting the phone (and that was annoying - it took minutes to get it functional)!
However, that didn't excuse Samsung's delays on Froyo. Now that it's here, I installed it right away - and I can't say that I was very pleased at first.
As my phone booted to the new version, everything was intact except my homescreen. I can deal with that - but after I played around more it seemed very laggy in general. The new zoomout feature in the app drawer ran at a maximum of 10 frames per second. The Market was missing.
This is obviously inexcusable for an update that is supposed to fix issues and is touted as "improving performance" in a Samsung press release. Especially the issue of Android Market just missing - how is the average customer going to figure out how to get it back?
I simply caved in and did a factory reset after backing up some stuff. I'm glad to say that this restored my phone to how it was on JM2 - very responsive in general. I used AppBrain to tap through tens of install dialogs to get all my apps back, and now it's just like before.
In overall I can recommend the phone, but Samsung can (and needs to) do better. On the hardware side, three things: the plastic back cover creaks too much (but I use a silicon case, so that's not an issue for me). A camera flash would be nice, and a dedicated button for it would make shooting pictures easier too.
The lag issue seems to be more of an problem with Samsung's marketing department than with their engineers - it wouldn't look good to ditch their own filesystem. But then again, in my personal experience I believe that complaints about it are greatly exaggerated.

I'm from canada, still running original rom (2.1 JH2)
got it for the quality of the pictures; Night mode is amazing, the pictures I've taken with it shows more than my own eyes!! I was sceptical at first because of the lack of flash light, but francly, a flash can only light a certain part... Night mode shows it all!!
also 3D processor is wayyyy more than anything else out there. you can do anything graphic on this baby! Videos are fluent, using gallery, taking pictures, gaming, etc!
Only down part I can see is the GPS (at first) is kind of all over the place. Not realy helpfull when you're using the device to keep track of run (workout and such), but after fidling with the settings, it's pretty descent!
bonus was the amazing Super Oled...this thing is bright and precise! Also, the device is pretty thin (the thinnest around?), since the display and the touch sensor are all integrated.
And you can see more "activity" in the SGS section for the main reason that they sold 5 millions of those babyes, surely you'll get more activity than most (not selling as much). And, on android, more users means more devloppers!

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Night mode is amazing, the pictures I've taken with it shows more than my own eyes!! I was sceptical at first because of the lack of flash light, but francly, a flash can only light a certain part... Night mode shows it all!!
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that is the feature i like the most about the phone

I do have 2 now.
The bad part of sgs is that there are phones that are bad.
They are like small computers and do sometimes not what they should.
The good part is that you get the best hardware any phone has.
I do own iphone to. But sgs bet them on all area accept for apps.
Sgs has a fantastic screen.
Its nice to handel.
If you like to tweak and take time to learn about the phone. You can't get any better phone.
If you read here you will se people has problem but there almost always a solution in them.
I would never trade my sgs away. It the best smartphone on the market.
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I would wait and see if froyo fixes the lag. If update don't fix the lag don't buy. If you still want it I will sell you mine.
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mammenj said:
I would wait and see if froyo fixes the lag. If update don't fix the lag don't buy. If you still want it I will sell you mine.
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I have jpm and no lag.
There is also many fix for lag.
One sgs of mine i have oclf. Nice and lagfree.
On the other i have a alfa system with ext2 Filesystem that works very good.
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DamianGto said:
I have jpm and no lag.
There is also many fix for lag.
One sgs of mine i have oclf. Nice and lagfree.
On the other i have a alfa system with ext2 Filesystem that works very good.
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For non techies, applying hacks are not an option.
If you don't mind hacking your phone, then its a good phone.
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I bought it mainly due to it's specs. and I'm curious about the Android platform(never owned one). and after sitting through hours of unbiased comparisons on the top market phones then, and most importantly, Google's Froyo keynote ;p
that's a lot of ands.

mammenj said:
For non techies, applying hacks are not an option.
If you don't mind hacking your phone, then its a good phone.
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Most is easy like installing an app.
So yout don't need to be a techies.
But if you can flash and stuff you will have a great time and a very good phone.
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For me the SGS is disappointing.
My main reason to buy this phone was the hardware.
It realy has great specs and outperforms any other phone.
But when it comes to daily use it's not as reliable.
I read that GPS wasn't that good but nevertheless decided to buy this phone.
I had hope that it can be fixed. But for me, the GPS is completely unreliable.
In car it takes ages till I get a lock. And during the drive it's most of the time ~10m behind me.
And when I am not constantly on the route that it suggests me, it losts the lock and need to find me again, which takes ages.
I can't use any function that relays on GPS.
The last days I have more problems than ever. Even standing on the street it doesn't get any lock.
Thinking to buy me a "slower" but more reliable smartphone, like the HTC Desire.

It has some goddamn software issues. ( lag, gps. )
But it's probably the only affordable device that has a WORKING multitouch controller, and it also has the most powerful GPU, and a CPU that matches the best. ( It's actually slightly better, but JIT isn't optimised for Hummingbird )
So it's some bloody good hardware that goes with some not to good software to make an alright phone.
With a fair bit of tinkering/rooting/etc the phone is easily the best at the moment.

[Q] The Nook Color still worth it?

It just seems that since the 1.2 update, the NC is harder to root and deal with, having a lot of issues, like the market, etc.
Is it just me or am I just overreacting because I've been looking to buy one and I see all these threads about this and that isn't working, and all these more difficult looking procedures to fix it.
Still worth it?

It depends on what you are wanting to do with it.
I was running autonooter 1.1 and liked the stock B&N app.
I was waiting for autonooter 1.2 to get all the kinks worked out so I could keep my magazines that I have subscriptions for.
That all changed when B&N updated their App in the android market to include Books and Magazines/ Newspapers.
I installed CM7 nightly 72 over the weekend w/ the overclock and I don't see a reason to go back to rooted stock 1.2. Took me about 30 minutes to download the files and install the ROM. Been running perfectly.
In my mind the only reason to keep the stock software on the Nook is if you need to have access to the children's books. Otherwise, put CM7 on there.

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It just seems that since the 1.2 update, the NC is harder to root and deal with, having a lot of issues, like the market, etc.
Is it just me or am I just overreacting because I've been looking to buy one and I see all these threads about this and that isn't working, and all these more difficult looking procedures to fix it.
Still worth it?
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The only issue I'm running into on CM7 beta 3.1 is the occasional system freeze requiring a reboot. No doubt that'll be sorted out soon. It's completely worth it if you put the right ROM on there.

1.2 is actually easier, i have market working, netflix, and oc to 1.2g all of my apps that I use work...having flash was the key for me and now I have it
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IMO I have been running the CM7 stable off a uSD card and couldn't be happier.
Took me 20 minutes maybe to get the files downloaded and installed and I very happy I did.
Wish I had wait a day later because B&N updated the android app. If I had know that, I would have installed directly to the nook..... No card...
But, that said.... It's the best 250 bucks I have spent....
I have everything on it I need for a tablet and it runs very stable....
So... I read my books.... I watch my Netflix..... I read my e-mail.... I surf the net.... I play my games....
Lego

So it's still simple enough to root?
And is it better to run it off SD or try to make the eMMC work since B&N messed with it?

At this point, you might as well at least wait until the 24th and see what it is B&N are releasing. Personally, I think it'll be a Nook Classic refresh, but it'd suck to buy a NC and have it obsolete in a week.

Nah forget that. Everything is obsolete. I say get it.
It is very easy to root and I believe you will get the best overall performance installing to emmc.
Best 250 I've ever spent and it has totally replaced my laptop now that Netflix is working. Running Cm7.

I Am Marino said:
It just seems that since the 1.2 update, the NC is harder to root and deal with, having a lot of issues, like the market, etc.
Is it just me or am I just overreacting because I've been looking to buy one and I see all these threads about this and that isn't working, and all these more difficult looking procedures to fix it.
Still worth it?
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If anything, it's a better deal now. The latest CM7 update (finally) fixed the battery / sleep issues. Plus, B&N updated their reader app for Android. I haven't tried it, but I've heard that it's now compatible with magazines.
This pretty much eliminates the need to root the stock version. I'm even running everything off of an SD card and the performance is fantastic.

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Nah forget that. Everything is obsolete. I say get it.
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I concur.
I haven't been able to put it down.

I would say it's definitely worth it. I use this more than my laptop or phone (both of which I use to use extensively). I'm hard pressed to come up with a device that I'd rather have in the near future. Most rooting and install procedures are fairly easy and only require a small amount of reading to understand.
And don't be afraid of all the "problems" popping up. Most of those are beta builds (which you don't have to use) or people not reading instructions properly.

absolutely worth it. I bought the iconia tab and used it for two weeks and returned it because I couldn't deal with all the force closes related to HC. So I picked up the nook couple days ago and love it. It came without the newest update. I rooted it and installed cm7 to emmc. I have harbor problems with it. Ad hoc tether works with no modifications flash works perfect market is there.
Don't bother with the autonooter to install on the SD card since the be nook app has everything except read to me.
All in all my rooted nook color performs far better than the iconia tab I bought. Well worth the $250!
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Are you still able to mount CM7 to the eMMC based off that new thing with only 1GB is able to be used?

If everyone who doesn't know the difference between rooting, flashing, ROMs, SD, eMMC and all the rest would please read this blog post, http://quinxy.com/guides/how-to-pick-your-nook-color-operating-system-and-install-options/ then this discussion may turn halfway coherent. Some of the version numbers may be out of date, but it will get you somewhat grounded in what's what.
As someone partly said, most of the problems you see come about because
1) people don't read directions
2) they just get hooked on tinkering with the thing and eventually something goes wrong.
A lot of the "problems" aren't even problems so much as the geek equivalent of a bunch of guys standing around a muscle car talking about whether to put on spoilers or stuff a subwoofer in the trunk.
I was initially planning to set up some kind of dual-boot on eMMC, but saw a really easy method for getting an SD install running, as well as a good card recommendation, and decided to take CM7 for a test-drive first. It runs so smooth from SD, I just dropped in an OC kernel and let it be. A lot of people are jumping straight to the beta, but I'm getting much better performance from the latest stable build, CM7.0.3, and I can deal with 5-6 hours use and two days on stand-by until they work out the other kinks in the beta. Everything I used for my build is at the link in my sig.

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Nah forget that. Everything is obsolete. I say get it.
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So what you're saying is he should spend $250 today and then if they launch a faster, better NC next Tuesday for the same price that's fine?
Sound advice.

HarryCz said:
So what you're saying is he should spend $250 today and then if they launch a faster, better NC next Tuesday for the same price that's fine?
Sound advice.
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But coming back from fairyland, the NC is a good value regardless of what comes out next week, which will probably be large-format e-ink and is almost certainly timed to keep the wind in the NC's sails, not leave it adrift.

Taosaur said:
But coming back from fairyland, the NC is a good value regardless of what comes out next week, which will probably be large-format e-ink and is almost certainly timed to keep the wind in the NC's sails, not leave it adrift.
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I would be very surprised if it is some kind of upgrade to the Nook Color. B&N has to stay competitive with the $114 ad supported Kindle and I am guessing that this will be an e-ink reader in the $100-125 range or you could be right, it could be a large format reader. It seems unlikely that B&N would upgrade the Nook Color and then release a new one a couple of weeks later.
I have been lusting after the Asus eee pad transformer but that is mostly due to how much I love the Nook Color. I would never have considered spending more than $300 on a device like this but like an earlier poster, I use it more than my laptop or my phone.

richdaley said:
I have been lusting after the Asus eee pad transformer but that is mostly due to how much I love the Nook Color. I would never have considered spending more than $300 on a device like this but like an earlier poster, I use it more than my laptop or my phone.
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Agreed.
Let me echo the thoughts of another poster: once the B&N Android App supported magazines, I saw no reason not to go with a CM7 install. I'm currently running Phiremod 1.2, and it's fantastic. Even though it's running the older kernel that doesn't put the machine into "deep sleep" I'm finding that battery life is great. It should easily last you all day. Just re-charge every night (which I do anyway) and everything is good.
I'm also loving the idea of the Asus eepad. I can't wait to go full Android and get windows (mostly) out of my private life for good. (Of course, as a Windows System Administrator it'll be a long time before I get Windows out of my professional life, LOL!)
I think we're still a couple of years off from Android becoming a viable OS alternative to Windows, but it won't be long, IMHO.

I have a rooted 1.2 with MN and I love this little baby!!! I overclocked stock rom to 1.1 mhz and it flies. I have had some visibility issues with the market but have been able to find most apps I want (had to sideload a few).
Now with the updated Nook app I might put CM7 or Phiremod into it but my stock OC setup works so nicely that I might hold off a little bit.
The 24th is near so I would wait and see but I dont think the announcement would be anything that makes the NC obsolete. My wishes for a NC 2?:
1. I think 7.5" or 8" would be an even better screen size, nothing bigger than that.
2. Native speed of at least 1mhz
3. Re design of the newspaper layout : keep the same format as today but add a "newsstand format" just like magazines, where I can see the ads and original formatting.
4. Bump memory to 1 gb
5. Gingerbread
Things I know I will never get:
1. Price drop to $225 or $200
2. on board GPS
3. Native full market access (as a tradeoff I'll let them block reader apps except Nook app)
3. Mini HDMI

HarryCz said:
So what you're saying is he should spend $250 today and then if they launch a faster, better NC next Tuesday for the same price that's fine?
Sound advice.
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Awww Cmon now gimmie a break. Im not important. If hes smart and theres no reason to think hes not then he will no doubt take into account everyones opinion here. You have 5 posts and your calling me out? Funny.
With that being said from what ive been reading the experts are expecting something to replace the E ink reader not the Nook Color. If they do release a Nook Color replacement well then is it really that big a loss? Does that make the Original that much worse? Not everyone is hung up on specs and even still the Nook Color has more room to grow.

Google Body Slams B&N and Amazon with Nexus 7

It's Official our beloved Nook Color has been Outclassed Completely as best Developer Tablet
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It's got Specs that Dwarf anything Amazon and B&N have yet somehow manages to claim the same Price Tag. Here are the Specs:
7-inch 1280 x 800 display
Quad-processor
Tegra 3 12-core GPU
8 GB and 16 GB models
1 GB of RAM
1.2 MP front-facing camera
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, gyroscope
9 hours video playback
300 hours standby
340 grams
Chrome as standard browser
$199 8gb($249 16gb), shipping mid-July to US, Canada, Australia and UK, preorders available today
Includes $25 credit in Google Play store, lots of preloaded goodies
That List One Ups anything else Available in this Price Range. It's Available for Preorder from the Google Play Store HERE
So what do you think of B&N and Amazon's new monolithic Competitor?

I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:

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I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:
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Yeah, with CM9 the Nook Color finally is getting the Tablet treatment it deserves(Not Customised Phone like CM7) but with the Nexus 7 I'm actually considering the selling of my NC that I've used and loved for 2 1/2 years. This is the most torn I've felt in awhile. With the NC only just getting ICS(and still missing certain important things as of now), the Nexus 7 with Jellybean and Quad-Core CPU is flat-out tough to ignore.

My Nook has been my constant companion for a year and a half..had a half dozen different roms starting with autonooter. I even purchased a murse (man purse) to carry it in.... Really going to be hard to put it on a shelf!!!! BUT, this thing looks great and the price for the 16g is what I paid for my Nook!!! And I have a birthday coming in two weeks!!!:silly:

But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

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But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk
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Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.

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Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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check out the device pictures and the video on the Play device store page. I too am reserving judgement till I've played with one in person

japzone said:
The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.

leapinlar said:
I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.
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Sorry, didn't mean to point fingures.

One other downside.....no reason to root right away!!!!:laugh::crying:

http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.

japzone said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.
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The phone GUI on the Nexus is exactly the same as ICS in phone mode. Thin status bar on top and bigger, centered navbar at the bottom. Like I said earlier, I use it and like it. Google said they were trying to streamline and standardize the user experience.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

Exciting stuff.
Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.

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Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.
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Hear! Hear! You Certainly have helped make the NC so great.
I would have loved to get a Nexus if it had a sd card slot

Would have bought a Nexus 7 today if it would have had an SD card slot. Oh well.

Preordered 2 of the 16gb models and sold my NC for $115 (w/2g SD) just now. Sooooo.... Here's my last post in the Nook Color forum: Thanks for the fun, devs - see you in the Nexus 7 forum!

There's a case too...
A quick tip for anyone grabbing a n7-- if you get the case, do it in the same purchase order, and you won't be charged extra for shipping.
If you already ordered before the case made its appearance in the store (as I did earlier today), you can call google, cancel the old order and do a new combined one.
$20 for a custom case is a pretty good deal i think considering that HP was charging $70 or something even AFTER they discontinued the touchpad.
As for the venerable NC-- it was introduced in 2010, remember. And its growing inexpense and SD-bootability make it, I think, still a great, fun device for learning to mess around w/Android without much risk of bricking.
(That said, keep in mind I still think the Apple II is awesome :cyclops

The lack of user loadable storage (SDCard) completely destroyed any chance of getting this on my part. I'll probably play with my Nook Color until it either goes bust or something else comes along that is the Nexus + SDCard. This is a disappointing misstep as far as I'm concerned.
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Man, Fat tire and Dalingrin getting one and who knows what other awesome devs are getting one. I have a strong feeling development on this is going to be epic!

I'll also be getting one as soon as I can ( probably on my trip to europe in august )
Lot's of exciting things
Tho , I still hope kernel 3.x will take a giant step forward soon so I can use the nook as the CarPc replacement I intended it for and my N7 as my fun/development tablet
I really hope the PDK will bring some exciting times
one article said they decided to open it to all users instead of just oems - if that's true it might be one of the biggest things ever ( like all-in-all sources library , oem and developers work together )

Another Nexus 7 / iPad 2 Observation Thread

First time, long time.
Alright, well before I get flamed for either being up Steve Jobs ass or being a Google loyalist, first alittle about my history with Apple and Google.
My first real Smartphone was the HTC G1 running Andriod 1.0 before that the closest thing I had was an LG Dare. I got it on day 1 and was really excited to see what Android was all about because I was sick of people showing off there iPhones and I never considered myself an 'Apple Guy'. I liked the phone but for anyone who remembers it, it really couldn't hold a candle to the iPhone. So long story short I had it for about a year got drunk and left it behind in cab. At that point I took the plunge and got an iPhone 3GS, and was very pleased with it. All that lag that I had gotten accustom to with my G1 was gone and I had access to a much larger App store. I had the 3GS for two years then I upgraded to the 4S which was a much smaller leap forward. The screen was nice but you stop noticing it after awhile and Siri, looks cool in commercials but in real life serves no purpose unless you're driving. Needless to say it wasn't a huge improvement over my previous 3GS. I was on the fence about getting the 4S I really wanted to try and get back into Android with the Nexus Prime, but my contract was up and their wasn't even an Official release date on the horizon yet just speculation.
Now in terms of tablets. The first tablet I ever bought was the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and I was real excited to get it. I liked the Xoom a lot to but held off once I heard about the Galaxy because for whatever reason I thought a Samsung tablet had to be better than a Motorola one. I never gave the iPad much attention because it's basically a big iPhone and I have had an iPhone for the last 2 years and the prospect of spending 400-500 for an iPhone with a larger screen didn't do anything for me. The Tab 10.1 was ok but still very 'laggey' and choppy and was a little disappointing to be honest. Plus I HATED Touchwiz, so like everyone else on the XDA forum I rooted an installed a custom Rom (AOSP Kang I think they were around Milestone 3 when I did it). It was much better but not perfect, smoother but still not 'buttery' and apps like the web browser and MX Player were prone to crash once in awhile. Anyway long story short when I heard about the Nexus 7 it sounded perfect to me so I preordered mine day 1, listed the Tab 10.1 on eBay and made the switch.
How I ended up with an iPad 2. Basically my office gave them to all the outside sales reps so we could do product demonstrations in front of customers at their location. They made a bunch of Keynote presentations and video and honestly the whole package they put together was pretty nice. Anyway I've had it for at least the last 3 months.
TLR - I don't consider myself in either camp, I've owned both Google and Apple products. Sophi's choice if I had to pick a side - I would probably go Andriod.
Anyway here we go.
The OS - While I wish the Nexus 7 had the tablet UI and I know I can get it if I root it, I haven't. I like the 4.1 over IOS way better. Even though it's just a much improved version on Honeycomb I think its way better for a tablet then IOS, which to this day is still just an iPhone with a larger screen. There's something about it that just feels more like a handheld computer then IOS. Maybe its the customization or all the tweaks to the home screen but hands down this is the best thing Andriod has going for it.
Smoothness - Here is where Andriod really needs to catch up, and 4.1 is a huge step forward but still can't touch the iPad (2). Apples really has this locked down, while the Nexus 7 is the most responsive Android device I've played with it still can't come close to matching the iPad/iPhone. I rarely if ever notice any slow down or come across any hiccups/lag on any of my iOS devices. I know iOS doesn't have widgets or true multitasking but it makes for a much smoother user experience. I don't know why that's a bad thing either, I don't know what you have to have running in the background besides music or downloads but you can do both of those things on the iPad and it still works flawlessly.
Form Factor - This is kind of a draw, I like them both. Actually if I wanted to go bigger I liked the Tab's 10.1 display on the Galaxy.
Build Quality - That would have to go to Apple but I know it's a $200 budget tablet VS $400 premium tablet. Although I would take the rubberized material on the back of the Nexus 7 over the silver metal on the back of the iPad, just makes it feel more rugged/durable In my opion.
Apps - Overall quality of Apps has to go to Apple, plus I like the fact they had a separate section for tablet apps. Although the fact that I can get emulators like FPse and play Final Fantasy 9 on my Nexus 7 might even it all out in the end. I guess this is a pretty common complaint among people coming from iOS about Google Play. If Google just did things like add more categories and promote the top apps in those categories better I think a lot of those complaints would go away. Not to mention I still dont get why something that $2.99 on the Apple app store is $5.99 on Google Play. I can't site anything specific I just feel like things on Google Play are more expensive, not all the time but some of the time.
Battery - I don't know about while being used since I still use my Nexus 7 way more than the iPad. But on standby with Wifi turned on the iPad 2 lasts way longer then my Nexus 7 when they're both left off the charger over night. There's hardly a dent in iPad battery but the Nexus 7 will take a serious hit.
Gaming - Gotta give this to the Nexus 7, or maybe just the 7" form factor, its great for playing games. Fits great in your hands and works well with virtual buttons. Plus almost any noteworthy game on iOS is on Android plus you have tons of awesome emulators.
That's all I got, thanks for reading and let me know if you agree or disagree. But please don't turn this into a thread with a 100 "Stop sucking Apples ****" like comments.
PS - I have been noticing that my Nexus 7 isn't registering every touch and it seems to happen sporadically. The issue is fixed when I lock then unlock the screen. Anyone have a more permanent fix or is it a known hardware/software problem.
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Interesting. I agree with you on most points. I'm a big Apple fan (and owned an iPad 2 for a few months) but I can recognize this Nexus 7 (which I own too) is a great device !
I think what I miss most is high quality apps. Android has some good apps but IMO, most of them doesn't look as good and work as well as their iOS equivalents. But with the popularity of the Nexus 7, I think this might get better over time.

also have the ipad and the nexus 7, i'm banking on the nexus 7 getting more support, when that happens, it will be a more useful device even more

Maybe I'm just crazy, or partially biased since Apple's recent actions have me exceptionally disappointed in them, but I have an iPad right here... and I really can't put into words how disinterested I am in that device anymore. My 2c.

Was about to write a similar post. I had the iPhone 3gs and original iPad for a bit, but for the last 2 years have been strictly Android. For phones I've had HTC Evo, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note and Galaxy S3. For tablets I've had the Xoom, the original Galaxy Tab 7, the Galaxy 10, and now the Nexus.
Last week I had to buy an iPad 3 to demo my company's iPad app, and was planning on returning it after 30 days. I remembered thinking the Nexus 7 was so damn smooth, but after playing with the iPad it's definitely got some work to do. Also, I absolutely love the reddit app on iPad (AlienBlue).
That all being said, I still hate most of iOS's locked down features and how it's just a big iPhone, but I can't deny it's polish. So much so that I might be interested in a 7 inch version of iPad when it comes out.

Thank you for the fair comparisons. Its often difficult for me to believe reviews are unbiased. In this case, I can relate since I own a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a Nexus 7. And maybe, just maybe I will check out the mini iPad to see for myself. Up to this point I have had no interest in apple products, because of what I felt like unnecessary restrictions. But if they do come out with a mini version, and a price tag to match it, I think I am finally convinced to give it a try.
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stevieraveon said:
Was about to write a similar post. I had the iPhone 3gs and original iPad for a bit, but for the last 2 years have been strictly Android. For phones I've had HTC Evo, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note and Galaxy S3. For tablets I've had the Xoom, the original Galaxy Tab 7, the Galaxy 10, and now the Nexus.
Last week I had to buy an iPad 3 to demo my company's iPad app, and was planning on returning it after 30 days. I remembered thinking the Nexus 7 was so damn smooth, but after playing with the iPad it's definitely got some work to do. Also, I absolutely love the reddit app on iPad (AlienBlue).
That all being said, I still hate most of iOS's locked down features and how it's just a big iPhone, but I can't deny it's polish. So much so that I might be interested in a 7 inch version of iPad when it comes out.
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Just wanted to point this out. Same can be said about any Android tablet. Aren't Android tablet's just "one big Android phone?" Think about that since they (both ipad/iphone) and Android (phone/tablet) share mobile OS's.

In ics they have the tablet UI.
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Just wanted to point this out. Same can be said about any Android tablet. Aren't Android tablet's just "one big Android phone?" Think about that since they (both ipad/iphone) and Android (phone/tablet) share mobile OS's.
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Ya I agree. Now the the Android tablet UI and mobile are very similar. Android still tweaks it a little bit for example notifications being on the bottom instead of the top the menu keys being off to the side as opposed to the middle, and the lack of a 'dock' or whatever its called the phones have that the tablet does not. iOS is exactly the same across the phone and tablet besides some apps taking advantage of the larger screen, which the same could be said for Android
I was talking more the jump from Ginger bread to Honeycomb, now there very very similar.

I have pretty much the same opinions, except that it is the iOS store that seems more expensive to me. And I can almost always find an app with a function I need for free on Google play while the iOS store has 1 or 2 good paid apps, and several terrible free ones (ex. the mkv player I was looking for a week ago)
I should also mention that I have the 3rd gen iPad, and it definitely beats 7 on the looks and build quality. However, I often just get extremely frustrated with the OS, I don't know if "locked down" is quite the word to describe it. Really what would make the happiest person alive is putting Android on the iPad hardware (or shell anyway).
To sum up: 3rd iPad looks delicious, and it a joy to use with things Apple wants you to use, but lacks a lot of functionality. The Nexus, ironically, "just works."
Drewbin said:
PS - I have been noticing that my Nexus 7 isn't registering every touch and it seems to happen sporadically. The issue is fixed when I lock then unlock the screen. Anyone have a more permanent fix or is it a known hardware/software problem.
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This is my only problem with the device so far. Seems more like a software issue due to the nature of the temporary fix

Like yourself i too have had the opportunity to own both devices. I found the 10" form to be way to big for me. It even caused me to sell my iPad.
However, the 7" size on the nexus is perfect and honestly expect apple to come out with a tablet this size because imo it really is perfect.

Sounds like you have something eating your battery while it's in sleep mode. I lose about 2-4% overnight.
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How is having device specific app a good thing? It's actually pretty stupid to have a specific iPhone app, a specific iPad app, a specific iNote with digitizer pen app if they ever come out with one, etc. when it's simpler and more efficient to have one app cover all devices.
As for the claim with touch input not registering, have you enabled the built-in show touch input under developer options? More than likely it is registering the touch input but the app is busy such as is the case with Chrome when it's downloading and rendering a long web page.
As far as UI responsiveness iOS doesn't really do much other than display a static grid of icons. I can take an ancient 386 33MHz PC and it'll display and navigate the Window 3.1 desktop with ease. They both do very little to nothing with the UI.

Yeah, as far as the battery goes... I'm at 72% on my Nexus 7, after 55hrs, no charging involved. lol. Its been used a little, not too much, but it's keeping its juice for me.

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Yeah, as far as the battery goes... I'm at 72% on my Nexus 7, after 55hrs, no charging involved. lol. Its been used a little, not too much, but it's keeping its juice for me.
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Stock rom? Is wifi/everything turned off?

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Stock rom? Is wifi/everything turned off?
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If your not using the device, WiFi and Bluetooth go to sleep. So in effect the device goes into "airplane" mode. If I go the day without using mine, it drains at about 8-10% a day as well.
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How is having device specific app a good thing? It's actually pretty stupid to have a specific iPhone app, a specific iPad app, a specific iNote with digitizer pen app if they ever come out with one, etc. when it's simpler and more efficient to have one app cover all devices.
As for the claim with touch input not registering, have you enabled the built-in show touch input under developer options? More than likely it is registering the touch input but the app is busy such as is the case with Chrome when it's downloading and rendering a long web page.
As far as UI responsiveness iOS doesn't really do much other than display a static grid of icons. I can take an ancient 386 33MHz PC and it'll display and navigate the Window 3.1 desktop with ease. They both do very little to nothing with the UI.
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I love when I see other people that "get it" when it comes to Android app development vs. iOS app development. I'm constantly trying to explain to iFans and even some Android fans that in android you don't need multiple apps to cover phones, tablets, and now even TVs. But with iOS you do.
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If your not using the device, WiFi and Bluetooth go to sleep. So in effect the device goes into "airplane" mode. If I go the day without using mine, it drains at about 8-10% a day as well.
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I love when I see other people that "get it" when it comes to Android app development vs. iOS app development. I'm constantly trying to explain to iFans and even some Android fans that in android you don't need multiple apps to cover phones, tablets, and now even TVs. But with iOS you do.
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Sorry but I disagree... For example, take Twitter on Nexus 7 vs iPad.. Please don't tell me it's better on Android:
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Sorry but I disagree... For example, take Twitter on Nexus 7 vs iPad.. Please don't tell me it's better on Android:
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You disagree because you (apparently) don't understand what I or the person I was responding to are actually saying... We are talking about app development, not comparing one Android app to one iOS app. What we are talking about is on a far larger scope. If devs don't restrict themselves to SDKs older than 2.3 apps can be written to display and work perfectly on multiple screen sizes without needing to be "stretched out" but instead have their own discrete set of UI elements/layouts, etc based on the screen size. In other words, a new version of Twitter than basically forgoes old versions of Android could be made to work like the "phone" version you see on the N7 AND work like the "tablet" version you see on the iPad, but in the same apk. This is probably where Android's infamous "fragmentation" issue really lies. Supporting legacy versions of Android. In the case of your Twitter app, it supports all the way back to 1.5 right? So of course it will be little more than a stretched out small screen app.
Does that make more sense?
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ExploreMN said:
You disagree because you (apparently) don't understand what I or the person I was responding to are actually saying... We are talking about app development, not comparing one Android app to one iOS app. What we are talking about is on a far larger scope. If devs don't restrict themselves to SDKs older than 2.3 apps can be written to display and work perfectly on multiple screen sizes without needing to be "stretched out" but instead have their own discrete set of UI elements/layouts, etc based on the screen size. In other words, a new version of Twitter than basically forgoes old versions of Android could be made to work like the "phone" version you see on the N7 AND work like the "tablet" version you see on the iPad, but in the same apk. This is probably where Android's infamous "fragmentation" issue really lies. Supporting legacy versions of Android. In the case of your Twitter app, it supports all the way back to 1.5 right? So of course it will be little more than a stretched out small screen app.
Does that make more sense?
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Yep! Thanks.

Greater review! Agree with most of the stuff u written.

Nexus 7 ($250) vs IdeaPad A2109 ($300)

Heh, yes it's time for yet another versus thread: Nexus 7 vs IdeaPad A2109.
Both have 16GB, 1280x800 res, Teg3.
N7 has 7" LCD, JB.
Idea has 9" LCD, HDMI-out, rear cam, micro-SD. It has 4.0, so there'll be a lag in getting CM10.
Worth it for +$50? Wait for sale at MicroCenter for $250?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...1du_9_Tablet_Nv_T30Sl_1_2_1_16Gb_Android.html (in stock)
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It really boils down to what you prefer. I like the size of the nexus 7 my only gripe is I wish it had an option for tablet view by default. Having a rear camera is pretty much point less. I never used it on my ipad, its quicker and easier to just use your cellphone. A high resolution front camera would have been nice but they have to save something for the next nexus tablet.
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Thats a lenovo, right? if so, no develooement support from cds really. the crazy developement we have for N7 is worth it alone, imo. plus we know jb is performing well on n7. not sure how ics is performing on ideapad.
Isnt this lenovo attempt to copy apple with a square tablet aka 4:3 aspect ratio? I like the 16.9 or 16:10 widescreen formats. better for multimedia. I know lenovo releases a square tsblet. not sure if its this one.

Nothing beats direct os support from google... At least for me...

>Isnt this lenovo attempt to copy apple with a square tablet aka 4:3 aspect ratio?
That's the S2109, which has OMAP4430. The A2109 is 16:10 and Teg3. Yeah, confusing.
Yep, we'll see how the reviews fare, and it'll be worth waiting to see what kind of 9" or 10" KF2 Amazon has lined up for Sep 6 announcement. I'm not worried about dev support. As long as it's a decent tablet, then $300 for a 9" (with micro-SD expansion) is a great deal => many will buy one => good dev support. Same goes for KF2.
I don't see this directly competing with N7, but more with the 10" tabs. Only N7 competitors will be a possible KF2, and of course the iPad mini.
>Nothing beats direct os support from google... At least for me...
I think CM10 will come along much faster than CM9, and since all these cheap Teg3 tabs have same underpinnings, I don't see much of a lag time to get JB as older tabs had with ICS. So, yes, direct Goog support is always good, but it's not an essential as, say, for the Xoom. The micro-SD means more to me.

That's a pretty good deal.
I think I paid like $280 (including tax and shipping) for my 16 GB Nexus 7, although it did come with a $25 Google Play credit.
I'd wait to see if it gets Cyanogenmod support or something though

A2109: 167 DPI
N7: 213 DPI
For me, there's no comparison. I'll never get anything less than 200 DPI again, and stare at a bunch of ugly pixellated text.

The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot. I wonder if the one @ B&H really has one. There's a review up at gsminsider.com (in Chinese) that says it does not. B&H also lists it as having GPS, but mine does not have that, either.
Edit: Mine has GPS after all, but no micro-SD card slot unless it's hiding under the speaker cover panel...
I've posted as little more info here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30778633

Lenovo? Nuff said. Stay away from it.
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>The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot.
Major bummer, but for the price it's still is a good value. Can you post some close-ups? Not that I don't believe you, but a thousand words and all that.
Funny thing, went Googling for tab specs and found this "confidential" doc for A2109A. This 'A' version has the OMAP 4430 and listed a micro-SD port. It was supposed to be out in July. I guess the Kai deal came along, and Lenovo peeps retrofitted to get quad. Sad about the zapped SD port.
http://shop.lenovo.com/ISS_Static/WW/LA/Direct/es/co/products/tablets/ideapad/A2109A Datasheet.pdf
BTW, the OMAP4 version listed on the Lenovo is the older S2109. The new A2109 is only listed below in "new products," with no specs.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/new-products/
>For me, there's no comparison. I'll never get anything less than 200 DPI again, and stare at a bunch of ugly pixellated text.
Higher res would've been nicer of course. I think 1280x800 is fine for 10" (or 9"), given the lower price. It does pose an interesting comparison between this and the Acer A700 32GB, which is $425 at Newegg. A700's excessive heat ish scared me off.
Anyway, more cheap tabs to come. Acer A210 should be here shortly, and will take over the A200 slot at $250 ($300?). Also Teg3. Downer? Possibly short battery life, like the A200. But BL should be open as with rest of Acer tabs, and it will have full USB port.

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Lenovo? Nuff said. Stay away from it.
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why? they make solid laptops.

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>The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot.
Major bummer, but for the price it's still is a good value. Can you post some close-ups? Not that I don't believe you, but a thousand words and all that.
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There are pictures at gsminsider.com. Looks just like the one @ best Buy...
Just search for A2109 at gsminsider.com. There are pictures in the linked review.
Sorry, but I can't post a direct link (< 10 posts, here).

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why? they make solid laptops.
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If by solid you mean solid pieces of feces, then yes, you're right. Over the past 2 years I have bought 4 Lenovo laptops for my customers, from high end to mid range. All of them came back to me with fatal issues, 3 of which were motherboard failure. I'd understand if it was a single model having QA issues, but this was multiple models over a 2 year period. I don't trust Lenovo at all anymore. Or Intel boards.
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I have no problem with my Lenovo laptop at all.
I am very interested in the A2109 with its 9" and HDMI out.
Thinking about the Note 10.1, but it may be too expensive for a toy for me...

Is there any word or feeling of community development with this tablet? I am quite interested in this tablet. I have a N7 and love JB and CM10. I would love to be running both of these with this new tablet. It would certainly be a deal breaker for me. It seems that this tablet has no hype and is very underground.Thanks

Lets put tthis bluntly ..lol. there's no hype about it because no one really pressed about it.Lenovo is low key. They do put out some good stuff. But xda developement has always been dead for it. Lets put it this way. Toshiba has better xda support than lenovo. And Toshiba has none..lol. Toshiba and Lenovo are likely the two worst companies whennit comes to xda support. If xda developer support is a concern, then move on stick with nexus 7 or galaxy note 10.1 those are the 2 hottest devices on the market rigght now in tablets. All the major players. Flocking to those devices.

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Lets put tthis bluntly ..lol. there's no hype about it because no one really pressed about it.Lenovo is low key. They do put out some good stuff. But xda developement has always been dead for it. Lets put it this way. Toshiba has better xda support than lenovo. And Toshiba has none..lol. Toshiba and Lenovo are likely the two worst companies whennit comes to xda support. If xda developer support is a concern, then move on stick with nexus 7 or galaxy note 10.1 those are the 2 hottest devices on the market rigght now in tablets. All the major players. Flocking to those devices.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I wish that there was a bigger development scene for this because it has everything I wish the N7 had.

The idea pad is huge not 7 inch and won't fit into your pocket
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Well you cant really fit the N7 in your pocket either lol

Played with one tonight at Best Buy. Screen wasn't as bad as I feared but it's definitely not great. Also strangely uncomfortable to hold for any length of time. Didn't see a microSD slot (at least one site is reporting expandable memory as a feature). Snappy performance. Nothing else really stood out.
Edit: to clarify, when I say the screen isn't great, I'd say out of the N7, GTab2, and iPad, it's definitely the worst of the bunch