Hi All
Spent awhile searching the forums (and the web) but couldn't find any relevant answers -- so here goes & apologies if it has been up before...
My TyTN2 got rain on the screen a few days ago (about 15-20 drops) and since then the touch part of the screen no longer works. The phone itself works perfectly, the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
Could a few raindrops do this?
I have a Hermes/TyTN 'lying around', anyone know if the screens are the same/compatible, was about to start searching for part numbers etc. but thought I'd ask the question anyway.
Any help, answers, pointers or links would be appreciated.
TIA
You could always buy a new touch screen.
I saw one at dealextreme.com for 4.99 , probably not the best quality but you can always give it a try for that price
sku.14919
cnn.cn also has the part , but only in combo with the actual lcd screen.
Thanks RacerII -- will check it out..
Had a similar issue with the touch screen dying after an os crash the other night n thought it was dead. Did a hard reset and reflashed and everything worked just fine. Try the hard reset and reflash first before you think about any repair options
@kaalgoosy
Thanks for the reply -- did a hard reset as you suggested, no change -- about to try a reflash -- currently using L26's B1 ROM, have dl'd B4 and will give that a whirl -- only problem seems to be I have to bypass the Welcome/Screen Alignment section (no touchscreen!) and Activesync seems to be lacking/missing/not working -- so can only try the SD method -- just reading up on that now
ROM update made no difference (wasn't holding my breath anyway...)
Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option -- have found a place that will supply it (London UK) for £30 + p&p -- anyone know of a better (read cheaper) supplier?
Intending to use Mike Channon's guide to replace it myself...
no few drops of rain wont cause that damage...
most new PDAs and new gadgets in general including cams, portable ps... etc has a elements of water resistant+shock resistant and even an anti-magnetic field absorbtion (or something like) to reduce interference with other devices...
blackfoot said:
My TyTN2 got rain on the screen a few days ago (about 15-20 drops) and since then the touch part of the screen no longer works. The phone itself works perfectly, the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
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there must be another reason cuz first sign of water damage will be blurry display..
blackfoot said:
the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
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get your phone inspected by a professional technician especially if under warranty (dont tell them it was affected by rain drops.. they wont know) it might not be a very fair thing to say but again who said life is fair
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ROM update made no difference (wasn't holding my breath anyway...)
Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option -- have found a place that will supply it (London UK) for £30 + p&p -- anyone know of a better (read cheaper) supplier?
Intending to use Mike Channon's guide to replace it myself...
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Have you got a web address for the London supplier? I think my screen may be on the way out.
Good luck with the replacement.
@jahrami -- was using the Kaiser's camera to take some photos for my daughter, it started raining while I was taking the last couple. 15-20 drops or so (as I said). Dabbed this off with kitchen roll, put the phone away. Got home a little later, tried to use the phone, no touch -- played around, soft reset etc etc, but nothing.
The rain is the only thing that has happened to it -- the display is perfect, phone itself works perfectly, have hard-reset, reflashed ROM, still no touch control... and while in theory I agree with you that a few drops of rain _shouldn't_ cause this sort of damage, it seems it has. Checked the water damage strip behind the battery, it's white, assume this goes pink/blue or WHY when exposed to real amounts of water.
Sadly, warranty is out (by 1 month) & the local phone shops want £40 to strip it and look... £32 for a screen? I'll do it myself -- if it doesn't fix it, back to the Eten M700...
@ach2 -- tried to put a complete & direct link to the item, message box wouldn't accept it (very long url). This company sells on ebay too, slightly cheaper (27.99 +p&p) and under various other site names, feedback is positive and screens are new. Can't comment on the company personally, unless you wait for a week. Thanks for the good wishes, will probably need them.
http://www.sparepartsformobiles.com search for Kaiser LCD replacement.
OP:
Before you buy anything for 27 quid: Note that there are 2 elements to that screen, as was mentioned (but maybe not quite clear) in post 2. There is the actual screen, which is a liquid crystal screen with thin film transistors with a glass plate on top, but on top of that is a digitizer. The digitizer is literally 2 sheets of slightly conductive plastic put together to assess where the stylus (or your finger) is currently touching it.
The digitizer shouldn't cost you more than about 5-10 quid. The full screen is going to cost you about 30 quid. You definitely don't need a new screen.
I've replaced 2 digitizers and 1 full screen on my HTC magician (I'm very good at smashing it into things) and after I broke it again, I bought a used HTC tilt cause I felt that an upgrade was in order. I ordered the digitizers for the magician and the screens from a generic eBay store in Hong Kong, it arrived the US (Boston) after about 2 weeks, I would expect Old Blighty to be similar.
Greetings from "New" England.
lncdoc
One more suggestion for you: have you considered using a virtual mouse cursor program? Maybe VirtuaMouse One-Hand?
Of course it won't actually "fix" your screen, but at least you'll be able to tap around your PPC until you fix the touch panel itself.
i will agree with such a temporarily fix, use a combination of virtual mouse
and voice commander and hotkeys shortcuts to navigate through your phone
look for second hand screen, there must be some around dude
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One more suggestion for you: have you considered using a virtual mouse cursor program? Maybe VirtuaMouse One-Hand?
Of course it won't actually "fix" your screen, but at least you'll be able to tap around your PPC until you fix the touch panel itself.
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Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option
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@incdoc -- Greetings to you too, cousin -- yes I do realise the screen has a separate digitiser (see quote above from earlier post), and in fact, the same supplier has digitisers for £8 but after reading about the difficulties of separating the digitiser from the LCD thought I would save time, effort and money by replacing the LCD in its entirety. I can always play with the older one afterwards, and if I successfully split them will get a touch screen and keep the thing as a spare, which seems like a good idea, as there are now several more posts regarding the same or similar issues to mine, just within the last few days.
Are you suggesting that separation _isn't_ difficult?
@EGMine -- have to say that I haven't heard of VirtuaMouse One-Hand, will look it up -- thanks for the suggestion.
Jahrami -- thanks for the suggestion, about to check VirtuaMouse and completely forgot about Voice Commander, just changed my ROM to L26's B4, (after fault developed) so haven't set the phone up, yet -- but definitely will set up some voice tags.
Big thank you (for telling me something I should have thought of myself -- age really is a bummer!)
Edit** Dl'd trial of VirtuaMouse, good idea -- hard work! Combination of Voice Tags and scroll wheel much better. Eten M700 back in cupboard. ;-))
Dammit, dammit and dammit!
In the interest of rounding things off -- thought I'd post this to (almost) end my (little) epic.
Bought a replacement screen from the source listed above, £32, web price was lower with free shipping, but phoned the order through to get a quicker delivery. Arrived the next day, exactly as ordered. (Bravo!) No tools included, but I have some anyway.
Used Mike Channons guide to replacement (no mention of the sticky keyboard hinge 'finisher' anywhere BTW), all went as planned. Total time to replace about 1hr 15mins. (Not rushing)
Screen kicked in, onto alignment and yippee! -- touch working again!
Knew I shouldn't have had that celebratory cup of tea! -- put SIM in, followed by SD card, phone no longer recognises the SIM. Bu**er!
Stripped the phone again (impressed myself, took less than 10 minutes), checked to see if the SIM ribbon had popped off -- seemed ok, but popped it and reseated it anyway. Reassembled the phone, popped in the SIM -- Bu**er again.
Stripped the phone again (4 minutes -- not bad eh?), checked the SIM connection to the keypad PCB and 2 of the contacts in the socket look slightly mangled.
At this point now I'm wishing I'd gone for the £70 repair option, it's 20 to 1 in the morning (12:40 am to you), the eyes are a little fuzzy and I (once again) have a TyTNII 'kit' in front of me.
Oh well, there's always tomorrow -- now where did I put my Eten M700?
EDIT** Forgot to add a request, if anyone has a TyTNII in bits and wants to sell the keypad PCB, leave info or PM. Thanks.
EDIT 2** Oh well, seems like I _have_ kiboshed the SIM socket on the keypad PCB -- so hoping someone has one (keypad PCB or TyTNII) lying around will sell for bits?
Hello, moving from trusty dash/excalibur - doa over weekend - to either kaiser/att tilt or fuze. Going to buy from 3rd party off craigslist - please clue me in as to what to watch out for, problems with phone not obvious, esn issues, etc., going in a couple of hours.
Thanks very much as I am clueless on these phones.
For kaiser, make sure the tilt aspect of the device holds. My first one got really weak that when you'd tilt the screen up it'd fall right back down.
For both, kaiser and raphael, slide it open and close a couple times and watch out if its smooth or not. Theres a ribbon cable that connects the top half of the device to the bottom half, if you hold the device up to a light while sliding it you and sometimes make it out (look between the screen and kb). Look at the edes of this and see if they're freyed at all. If so stay away.
Also the obvious, check for physical damage, take off the battery cover and battery and look at the heads of the screws and see if they've been messed with. They should be black and will show silver if they've been scratched (i.e. opened up with a screw driver).
Look for the warranty sticker, if its not there, stay away. On the kaiser if you take off the battery cover it'd be the hole thats on the top right. There should be a sticher in there that says void in white.
press every button and make sure it works. Open up new note to test the keyboard.
when you take out the battery, look for a white kind of fluffy sticker. If its blue that means the phones been subject to moisture/water.
I'd say thats about it, don't worry if the device runs slow or any of the software part of the device because that can all be flashed and customized.
last note, i'd go with the raphael over the kaiser.
good luck and enjoy your new device.
Hey guys, just wondering if you can help me at all...
I have an HTC S720/Libra, my cell phone carrier likes to have you sign 3 year contracts, but only offers 1 year warranty on their phones. Anyways, thats beside the point... (F-in hate Telus...)
So my back light is no longer working on the screen... The LCD itself still works, I can navigate around, and text message still... I took it apart, and it is apart at the moment, so I was just wondering if you guys know if maybe I can fix this screen, or where I can buy a new one? (I would prefer to just buy a new one and install it)
On the LCD itself, the sticker says:
S/N: <Serial Number Here>
P/N: 60H00073-00M
L5F3059P00
712AS
419740007
I dont know what those last 3 lines are, but thats how they appear on the sticker. I didnt include the serial, because I dont see why it would be needed.
I may be corrected on this; a backlight problem is usually not the screen but the driver circuit not providing enough juice. I say this from experience switching LCDs on HTC units.
Hi to all,i've got a rectangular spot on my diamond's lcd:it's similar to "oil under sun" effect,something like a rainbow...it's almost not visible directly,but it gets very evident under direct light,but it would be nothing,the real problem is that touch response is quite inaccurate in that zone (and it takes all the middle part of the lcd).
I guess that "something" got pressed on "something else" (maybe the touch part with the screen itself),is there a way i can solve it avoiding warranty waiting?
Hi...
i got the same "oil" problem as well,
went down to HTC Service Center in SGP.
was informed that this phenomenon,
is due to "excessive pressure" on the screen...
& it is a "wear & tear" issue...
so its not cover by HTC warranty...
To rectified the problem,
means to change the LCD display, costing about S$200 .
& the problem will still come back again...
Customer Service informed that this issue will not interfere with any functions.
so i decided to live with it...
This a known and talked about problem.
I have it as well.
Check out This thread it has a few solutions, none of which I actually tried.
Good luck
I think it's an known problem, they should definitely fix it under warranty!
s_ibiza98 said:
& it is a "wear & tear" issue...
so its not cover by HTC warranty...
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What does "wear & tear" mean?
I read in the linked topic that many people got the screen fixed/changed under warranty...i hope they will fix it to me too
customer service says...
its a normal user problem ( on excessive pressure )
even go to extend & show me her HTC diamond,
which was also having the same problem...
then go on to explain, HTC ( in SG ) does not warranty on this "fault"
so replacing it ( or shd say the whole LCD display ) , user will have to pay.
same thing happened to my touch cruise before the touchscreen stopped functioning, i think its from the touchscreen liquid leaking out (resistive touch screens are filled with gel/oil between 2 layers of plastic. for my cruise the inner layer burst and the gel leaked out (it couldn't really go anywhere cuz the LCD was right behind it so looked like oil under the screen.
HTC replaced it under warranty. if not try PPC techs (i hear their good) or for self repair get a full screen assembly (MAKE SURE you get the FULL assembly most ebay listings are for the digitizer and/or LCD and are missing the 3rd peice of glass that has to be glued directly to the digitizer for self repair to work)