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Hey so I've noticed the new Samsung phone can decode DivX video..AND has a much faster GPU chip than the N1...
According to Samsung’s press release as well as Android and Me, the Samsung Galaxy S’ “Hummingbird” A8 chip will be able to process around 90 million triangle per second. That is compared to the Moto DROID’s 7 mill tri/sec, the Nexus One’s 22 million tri/sec, and the iPhone 3G S’ 28 million tri/sec.
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So I have two questions...
When the Samsung is released, as it is running the android platform, will the ability to decode the DivX and 720p video be ported over to the N1? (or is the faster GPU req. to do this?)
Is the faster GPU a big deal/Will us N1 owners miss out?
I just spent all my money on 'my precious'.. it sucks to see faster, better stuff coming out already... stupid rapid moving technology!
I have no idea if its port-able, but Google said they would make DIVX support.
I wouldn't want the Samgung or HTC EVO 4G for everyday use. a 4.3" screen seems pretty big, a little too big for a phone. It is more like a portable movie player like an Archos tablet.
Happy with my N1.
LevitateJay said:
So I have two questions...
When the Samsung is released, as it is running the android platform, will the ability to decode the DivX and 720p video be ported over to the N1? (or is the faster GPU req. to do this?)
Is the faster GPU a big deal/Will us N1 owners miss out?
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It will probably be ported over, but nothing is certain. A faster GPU is not required but if the snapdragon cannot decode the codec natively there is little that can be done
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LevitateJay said:
I just spent all my money on 'my precious'.. it sucks to see faster, better stuff coming out already... stupid rapid moving technology!
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Get used to it. In the smartphone arena this has been, and for the foreseeable future will be, the case.
LevitateJay said:
I just spent all my money on 'my precious'.. it sucks to see faster, better stuff coming out already...
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It's like everything else in life:
Woman
Cars
Gadgets
Always something newer and better you're going to want to bang or buy.
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It's like everything else in life:
Woman
Cars
Gadgets
Always something newer and better you're going to want to bang or buy.
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Well said!
My G/F's mother works for B&N so I'm going to see if she can get a good discount on a new or refurbished unit but before I do I wanted to ask a few questions. I was thinking of getting the SGT 10.1 inch or the Moto Xoom in Wifi only flavors.
I basically want to know how the Nook color performs for games such as Angry Birds, Ninja Jump without OC'ing. I basically will use this tablet for Evernote, Pandora, Browsing, Facebook, XDA, Organizing Pictures, etc.
What do you guys think the life cycle of this device will be? If a newer update for HC comes out do you think that the current hardware may support possible feature adds (example: video editor that google built for HC).
I asked the rep in the store about the internal memory and he said it had 5GB internal and supports up to 32GB. I googled the specs and it says the Nook has 8GB. Which one is it?
Thanks.
NC has 8GB internal but only 5GB are free OOB. non-OC plays games great.
If you can get a discount on a refurb, what do you think you'll be paying? Maybe $150ish? Maybe a bit more? Let's put things in perspective and keep in mind that, though the NC is overdesigned and overpowered as a reader, it's not being sold as an alternative to the Galaxy or (most definitely) the Xoom.
Performance-wise, it holds up well against the Galaxy. The screen is better. It boots a heck of a lot faster. It's likely not going to fare as well against the Xoom. But it's a fraction of the price.
For the price and for the joy of tinkering and pushing the limits, the NC is, far and away, the best value you can get *now* -- it's even better if you can get a substantial discount. Just know that it will be outperformed by several other tablets in the coming months. I doubt there will be anything competitive, at this price level, any time soon.
Make the jump now. Come on in, the water's fine.
Yeah I'm not too worried about it competing against dual core and camera equipped tablets. I have an Evo 4G so I don't need to have those features. I just want to know the possibility to get HC running efficiently.
I think a refurbished unit should run me below $200 so it isn't too bad. Just wanted to know what you guys think of the dev community on this Nook being that so many others are coming out.
I was in a similar boat and dove right into the Nook. It's only been a few days and I'm happy I did it.
Xoom is $550 more since you don't want a contract. I debated on going with a larger tablet such as the iPad or a 10.1 inch android. Ultimately, I found that they were too large and heavy for real, everyday use. I like being able to use the Nook with one hand.
FYI, I'm using mine to take handwritten notes (using a stylus), reading pdfs, websurfing and the occasional game.
I'm in a similar boat and had 2 quick questions:
1) Hows video playback with your typical 700mb avi file with apps like vplayer or rockplayer? Has froyo or cm7 improved things?
2) What app were people using to take notes with a stylus and how well does it work?
Cheers
1) I haven't avi files - I've been using m4v files with 1300 video bitrate and 128 bit audio on Act 1. It's been a great success so far.
2) I've been using HandMemoWritter. It's free and other programs have problems losing data when you change orientation (genial writing and apMemo). HMW is a bit basic, but it works well.
Thanks Wile E Coyote.
I think I may pull the trigger on this. I have to check out the dev section for HC to see how far they have progressed.
The good thing is that the GPU is the same one they use in the Droid X.
Briefly tried vPlayer and Rockplayer and wasn't satisfied with performance. Stock video player plays H.264 encoded MP4's well as long as they conform to the resolution specs of the device (854 pixel width). I've setup a default profile for my Nook Color in Handbrake and my bluray rips to 854 pixel width H.264 videos are amazing on the nook.
I don't have much experience with android devices yet, have had the nook for 3 weeks now, but IMO for video playback nothing beats VLC on a jailbroken iOS device for the shear ability to drag and drop things onto the device and play them back with nearly complete disregard for the format they're in.
3 weeks ago I was still hoping for news on iPad 2, and wishing for a Motorola Xoom. Xoom pricing was leaked and I jumped ship for a Nook Color instead. No regrets, as at this price point I could easily give this thing away to my wife or son and get a better tablet down the road without worrying about the price I paid for it.
It's fun to drop bootable images to micro SD cards and try out different operating systems too. Once all the kinks are worked out for Froyo or HC i'll surely change the primary boot system on mine. Developers working on nook color mods are fantastic, huge props to them!
iPad2 is supposed to be announced on March 3, according to All Things Digital.
I feel so dirty.
Honestly I don't see the iPad 2 as being anything special. They'll most likely add a FFC and Rear camera and more ram.
The price is going to go up if they add a retina display.
the nook color rooted and such will be the casual mans tablet. For mobile use as a notepad its great. Lightweight easy to hold and use. Also for it being the size it is you can hold in two hands and type with out over-reaching(i am a big guy so YMMV but my long fingers...)
for gaming it works pretty well. I did get my copy of nova over on it and it works pretty well. but some games will not work not sure if its the screen size but some just fc
The video playback is pretty good for me. I run Slingplayer and PlayOn for Netflix/Hulu stuff and it is good enough. The CM7 build as it is today doesn't have hardware video support yet, so the Nookie Froyo (currently at 0.6.8) is a better option for video support. The stock nook 1.0.1 or 1.1 rooted also works pretty smoothly with video. So in short, Nooted or Nookie Froyo are the best daily driver options today, although I'm sure CM7 will be the next great thing when it gets to a more robust version.
Not to mention honeycomb
Sent from one of those missing Droids
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My G/F's mother works for B&N so I'm going to see if she can get a good discount on a new or refurbished unit but before I do I wanted to ask a few questions. I was thinking of getting the SGT 10.1 inch or the Moto Xoom in Wifi only flavors.
I basically want to know how the Nook color performs for games such as Angry Birds, Ninja Jump without OC'ing. I basically will use this tablet for Evernote, Pandora, Browsing, Facebook, XDA, Organizing Pictures, etc.
What do you guys think the life cycle of this device will be? If a newer update for HC comes out do you think that the current hardware may support possible feature adds (example: video editor that google built for HC).
I asked the rep in the store about the internal memory and he said it had 5GB internal and supports up to 32GB. I googled the specs and it says the Nook has 8GB. Which one is it?
Thanks.
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well right at this very moment if you want a semi stable hack to make your nook a HC tablet i suggest you get a nook but if you want something thats 100% stable and something that will work out of the box with no hackery involved i suggest you get a moto xoom
i own a nook color and i have no regrets about buying it, and i feel it has been the best thing i bought this year but it does require some work to make it a tablet(not much but its extra work none the less)
Watched an avi of "Saving Private Ryan" on the NC and ran beautifully. Earphone to listen but all in all it ran well.
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Watched an avi of "Saving Private Ryan" on the NC and ran beautifully. Earphone to listen but all in all it ran well.
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Can I ask what size and resolution the movie was formatted in, what app you were using and which ROM you're on?
Just that there are contrasting reports regarding video playback.
This is the only thing stopping me from getting one at the moment, as the Archos 101 is awesome in terms of movie playback (including live live streaming over your Wifi network from my PC).
Would love to hear people's feedback.
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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GPU in P1010 is PowerVR SGX530!
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
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IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
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PowerVR SGX540 in P1000 is much faster!
No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
How much is much faster?
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Don't care about the BT. I think the gps is actually there. Can anyone confirm that?
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No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
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It does have GPS.
The CPU is also different.
In summary, there are 3 differences:
1. CPU (not much different, I think)
2. GPU (thus can't play 720p smoothly, forget 1080p)
3. Bluetooth (transfer speed is lower)
I own one, and I'm disappointed at the GPU.
So what one does att carry
Thanks. Not getting that one then. Want full power
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HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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1. The P1010 weighs maybe 1 - 5 grams less because you don't need to put a card in it.
2. The WiFi-only only has a 16GB internal memory model.
3. No EDGE, 3G, etc.
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
Galaxy Tab WiFi is OMAP3
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi and will be returning it tomorrow.
The SoC is an OMAP3 of some kind. The GPU *is* an SGX530, which is significantly slower than the SGX540 on the Samsung C110 SoC. The OMAPs memory controller is also much slower than the C110s, various other OMAP bits are not up-to-spec compared to C110. The Galaxy Tab WiFi is a joke. Buy a nook color instead: save $100 and get a better LCD.
I'm sure that the product spec page for the Galaxy Tab WiFi said "C110 Applications Processor" a few days ago, now it reads "1GHz A8 Cortex Processor" (which isn't even written correctly, should be "Cortex-A8"...). I was suspicious when someone posted that they had inspected a P1010 ROM and it contained all of the TI OMX libraries, but I didn't believe that Samsung would redo the whole BSP for a product destined to sell zero million units.
I was wrong. Guess I'll wait for the Asus Transformer.
It seems that the firmware / Android version isn't upgradable by normal means.
There is no firmware or Android update selection like the Sprint version.
Kies indicates that the firmware is NOT upgradable.
Anyone know what's going on?
I brought mine yesterday
P1010 decode 720P video is fine (smooth) with stock video player
Screen is so great (actually better than my HD2 w/ Android) , just waiting for the great great xda developer work on the kernel so I can overclock mine...
Here is the list I really like
- ROOT access
- Overclocking , Memory Managerment
- UI Tweak (Using Go launcher at the moment)
pendevous said:
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
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I agree, I haven't seen anything definitive yet that shows it has the weaker CPU. Can any of you smart xda people who has either broken one open (not me, ...yet) or studied the code give a somewhat more definitive answer? I've had mine for 2 weeks now. I'm happy with its performance. But I know I'm going to want to play with the innards down the road. Is it really that much different from the tab phones?
Any update on this? I was going to get a WiFi tab but having second thoughts now...
@victor888 - what app did you use to play the 720p files, RockPlayer?
It is apparently different...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054872
the P1010 is not Bluetooth keyboard Compatible (No HID inside). apparently does not support video output through HDMI cable, please advise if anyone is working.
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Update... Solved Bluetooth compatibility.
Hi.
I could connect my bluetooth keyboard to my Galaxy Tab P1010 (only WIFI) by an application from the Android Market. This application is called "BlueKeyboard JP". I am using Stock GingerBread Rom.
greetings.
Tested it
Hey there,
I have read a lot about the differences of these Tabs, but I have not seen some real results.
So I just bought both of them... And I compared:
Fazit: the GT-P1000 is really faster then the GT-P1010!
I have made a screenshot of both Tabs. P1010 with Android 2.2.1 and P1000 with Android 2.2 with nothing running then Quadrant.
The results are:
P1000: 1090 Points
P1010: 691 Points
You can feel the differences by browsing, sliding the top bar down and using the back and home button.
I don't have pictures of the Hardwareinfos, but I lookes at them and there are a lot of differences. The CPU is the same. But the GPU is a [email protected] and a [email protected] All sensors are different and other things. [email protected] and [email protected]
I will make pictures and a list of all differences, if someone want's it.
Greetz,
Tillmet
I don't trust in Quadrant benchmark. If you use OCLF in the P1010 the result overpast the 1000 points.
In game I have good performace +-30fps in HD gameloft titles, like Eternal Legacy, Dungeon Hunter, etc. In video performace the P1010 play 720p h.263 very well (test it with the free Big Buck Bunny Movie 720p mp4, the picture quality is awesome) ;no so well with h.264 that need be 480p with a baseline level 3.0 profile.
Yes, is no so powerfull like the P1000 but with the price I am satisfied with it.
Ps. Android System Info show OpenGL 1.1 same that the P1000.
Can owners of the Galaxy Tab wifi-only version (P1010) please install Quadrant and make a screen shot of the "System Information" (see attached file, example for Moto Xoom) showing the CPU and GPU?
There are rumors that the wifi-only version use a different chip (OMAP 3630) from the original GT (Samsung Hummingbird). In quadrant's "System Information", even if the CPU name is not listed, the GPU name should be listed - if it is the same as the original GT it should be PowerVR SGX540; if it is OMAP 3630 it will be SGX530.
Time to settle some rumors once and for all. Thank you for your contribution.
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Can owners of the Galaxy Tab wifi-only version (P1010) please install Quadrant and make a screen shot of the "System Information" (see attached file, example for Moto Xoom) showing the CPU and GPU?
There are rumors that the wifi-only version use a different chip (OMAP 3630) from the original GT (Samsung Hummingbird). In quadrant's "System Information", even if the CPU name is not listed, the GPU name should be listed - if it is the same as the original GT it should be PowerVR SGX540; if it is OMAP 3630 it will be SGX530.
Time to settle some rumors once and for all. Thank you for your contribution.
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It's PowerVR SGX530!
Is this the OMAP 3630?
Even a total noob like me can guess that "Cores:1" can't be good.
rdk67 said:
It's PowerVR SGX530!
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Hey what app is that?
Another app that can show you system info would be elixir. Its free on the market.
pendevous said:
Hey what app is that?
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Android System Info
rtfm1777 said:
Even a total noob like me can guess that "Cores:1" can't be good.
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It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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AlexTheStampede said:
It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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Can the P1010 though (which is what is being discussed!)
I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
In system folders.
AlexTheStampede said:
It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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With what video app?
Thanks for the topic as I was also looking into getting the WiFi only tab...will now be looking at the GSM version, ATT or TMOBILE (that one is cheaper) or the 8.9"...when it comes out.
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I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
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Don't know where you're hearing this from. I haven't noticed any lag at all. It seems perfectly responsive to me.
hicdub said:
I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
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I have the original GTab (T-Mobile version) but not the wifi-only (P1010) version. However, I have an Archos 70 tablet that uses the OMAP3630 chip with the SGX530 gpu. It may be comparing orange with grapefruit but this is better than nothing.
The Archos plays downloaded HD video using their media player quite smoothly. However (1) the Archos screen is only 800 x 480 resolution, meaning it is less stressful for a weaker gpu (2) they probably have some form of hardware acceleration for their media player.
The problem comes when you try to watch online streaming video using Adobe Flash in the web browsers (NOTE: NOT through youtube app which compresses the video stream). It can play standard definition (SD, 360p) video but sometimes show stuttering (eg. just before the embedded ads show up). Anything higher (480p or +) causes major stutters and hangs. NOTE: the Archos has a low res. screen (800 x 480) and the SGX530 gpu is already struggling.
When I use my GTab, 360p SD Flash videos in the browser plays smoothly without any problem. It can manage many 480p Flash videos (youtube automatically bumps up the video resolution to 480p when you go full screen). NOTE: the GTab has a higher resolution (1024 x 600) screen, and the SGX540 gpu is able to keep up with it.
My main concern is the pairing of the weaker SGX530 gpu with the "higher" screen resolution of 1024 x 600 in the P1010 may not be a happy marriage!
Any higher res. Flash videos are not possible - and I don't think any single core ARM processors can manage true HD (720p or higher) Flash videos, because these processors were originally designed for smartphones with small low res. screens!
With the original GTab version, you will probably get a faster and smoother user experience eg. swiping through the screens, screen animation / transition, typing on the keyboard. This is because tablets use the touchscreen exclusively for user input, which involves the gpu all the time.
P.S. I rooted my GTab and applied the One Click Lag Fix immediately after unboxing, and it is truely flying! Quadrant about 2200.
Great input, I now see a TMO 3G TAB in my near future ;-)
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P.S. I rooted my GTab and applied the One Click Lag Fix immediately after unboxing, and it is truely flying! Quadrant about 2200.
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I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
Don't buy the wifi version if you expect it to play HD video.
YouTube HQ (480x360) plays smoothly.
Other features are much more responsive than Archos 70 (I have both Grab wifi and Archie 70).
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stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
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Find "OCLF" (OneClickLagFix) in Android Market. I dunno if it will work on the P1010 but it is worth a try.
Run the app and press "install ext2 tools". If this button is red or it fails to install, you are out of luck.
After this, see which "OneClickLagFix" button (v1, v2, v2.2) is green and choose the NEWEST version. If one version fails, try another one (with green button). If all buttons are in red or if all available versions fail, you are out of luck.
P.S. Before I run Quadrant, I close all unnecessary apps in the background (eg. Weather, Twitter, antivirus). This make sure all possible processing power is used to run the benchmark. Before I used OCLF my Quadrant score (original GTab) was about 1100.
stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
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I also apply one click lag fix. Though the score jumps from 6xx to 16xx, I don't think we can trust Quadrant score test after OCLF. Reason: you can see the Database read/write test is so quick as if it did nothing. Before applying lagfix Database write test tooks around 20 seconds, but after lagfix, it looks like it did nothing on the database test.
I found original Grab wifi is already so much responsive even very low quadrant score. Archos 70 has double the gtab wifi quadrant score, but much less responsive.
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Just to confirm OCLF works with p1010. The process was smooth; but I'm still doubt on performance gain. I can't discern the differences.
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stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
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As mentioned in my other reply, I got only 6xx, but this tablet is very fast.
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Hi guys,
I'm looking at getting a replacement tablet for the TF700 which was going to be, no questions asked, the TF701. HOWEVER...
I have read that the Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition spanks the TF701 a little on specs. Same screen, 3GB RAM, Exynos Processor Octa Core etc. etc. About the same price too.
I have to admit, I don't use the keyboard dock as much as I thought I would but do really like it. I would probably get the keyboard dock for the Samsung if I ended up with that instead. No extra battery though
The Samsung, so far, on benchmarking seems to beat the TF701 hands down although I've seen some reports of stuttering.
I guess the Asus is more 'vanilla' than Samsung with its Touchwiz interface. I have had an S2, S3 and now S4 so know how it is
Any opinions before I splash the cash and may be regret it? Will Sbdags be developing for the TF701? My bet is yes as he's ordered one
Thanks for any opinions or flaming hehe
Owen.
Owendavies said:
Hi guys,
I'm looking at getting a replacement tablet for the TF700 which was going to be, no questions asked, the TF701. HOWEVER...
I have read that the Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition spanks the TF701 a little on specs. Same screen, 3GB RAM, Exynos Processor Octa Core etc. etc. About the same price too.
I have to admit, I don't use the keyboard dock as much as I thought I would but do really like it. I would probably get the keyboard dock for the Samsung if I ended up with that instead. No extra battery though
The Samsung, so far, on benchmarking seems to beat the TF701 hands down although I've seen some reports of stuttering.
I guess the Asus is more 'vanilla' than Samsung with its Touchwiz interface. I have had an S2, S3 and now S4 so know how it is
Any opinions before I splash the cash and may be regret it? Will Sbdags be developing for the TF701? My bet is yes as he's ordered one
Thanks for any opinions or flaming hehe
Owen.
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I don't personally like the Samsung. Chap at work brought it in and it looks a bit dated and I just don't like the look. Performance is good but the TF701 is about the same as far as I can see in benchmarks. I haven't see anything suggesting a spanking. The only thing it has going for it is the S-Pen.
But yes as soon as we can get a working TWRP I will be stripping down the Asus ROM and rebuilding a version of CROMi for the TF701T. Hopefully mine arrives tomorrow or Saturday
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I don't personally like the Samsung. Chap at work brought it in and it looks a bit dated and I just don't like the look. Performance is good but the TF701 is about the same as far as I can see in benchmarks. I haven't see anything suggesting a spanking. The only thing it has going for it is the S-Pen.
But yes as soon as we can get a working TWRP I will be stripping down the Asus ROM and rebuilding a version of CROMi for the TF701T. Hopefully mine arrives tomorrow or Saturday
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Nice, I will be there for testing if needed.
I got the Samsung before my Asus was released. I couldn't stand it. I don't care for the stylus and to much bloatware. Like a poster above said, a bit dated as well. The Asus looks like a Maserati compared to the clunker. Lastly, the screen is MUCH sharper on the Asus as well. They use a better screen. Also love the 4K compatability using our native resolution. So yeah, definitely a no brainer on the return.
Oh, another thing to factor, is the highway robbery that Samsung gets away with, from their outrageous selling price..
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xRevilatioNx said:
I got the Samsung before my Asus was released. I couldn't stand it. I don't care for the stylus and to much bloatware. Like a poster above said, a bit dated as well. The Asus looks like a Maserati compared to the clunker. Lastly, the screen is MUCH sharper on the Asus as well. They use a better screen. Also love the 4K compatability using our native resolution. So yeah, definitely a no brainer on the return.
Oh, another thing to factor, is the highway robbery that Samsung gets away with, from their outrageous selling price..
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Thanks for the info guys. Reading some recent reviews of both tablets, the Samsung is actually winning me over! Although the scare of 'fake' bench marking is a bit off putting to say the least. I have a Galaxy S4 so used to the bloatware (especially since 4.3 was released!) just wanted a tablet that performed and looked good at the same time.
Lots of problems with the hardware and probably software with the Asus. Even Sbdags says he's probably not getting the TF701t now!
Dang, what to do...
My biggest issue with the note is them using a pentile screen. I could live with the bloat and even the odd fake stitched back.
note 10.1 is WRGB not pentitle. TF701 not bad. But if you want use cook room. Must care about it. Asus doesn't have any tool to install direct from PC like Odin of samsung. If you have any broplem with recovery on TF701 that mean you'll never recovery it. My tf300T have bricked after update 4.1 and try to root. Not only me but also many people have same problem. With samsung easy to root and easy recovery.
Had the Samsung and returned it. Because of LAG LAG LAG! Read the threads! And the bogus benchmarks don't help their cause...
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Ok OP your asking in the TF701T thread. Things like LAG haha "read the threads". Hmm lets just find one " it definitely has more lag than it should but I don't think it's as bad as you here are making it out to be." Shall I go on? So understand ANY tablet can have lag. Who in the world would bring up "bogus benchmarks" on tablets? hehe.. this is to easy to show. Search google.
I love the "dated" yeah the Note is running 4.3 and its so easy to get rid of the apps if you dont want them. Has two speakers not one, has a shorter battery life then the TF701. Cant run Tegra made games "yawn".
Never just take some person or reviews word. You get an idea but buy it for your self and test it. Look in to support on both. You will find Asus does not have good support at all. Search their Video cards, mother boards, read in Newegg or Amazon blah blah blah. Are you going to root? Asus is NOT the one for you.
There is one poster here that seems for some odd reason has to almost post in every thread on how perfect the Asus is. hehe. So SEARCH reviews else where not just here.
I think its a great tablet but has one speaker (talk about dated) and seems like this new TF701 is started to be like the TF700. Both seem to be slow in updates.
chanhny said:
note 10.1 is WRGB not pentitle. TF701 not bad. But if you want use cook room. Must care about it. Asus doesn't have any tool to install direct from PC like Odin of samsung. If you have any broplem with recovery on TF701 that mean you'll never recovery it. My tf300T have bricked after update 4.1 and try to root. Not only me but also many people have same problem. With samsung easy to root and easy recovery.
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Pentile is a Samsung patented style of sub pixel layouts this include rgbw, it still lowers the effective ppi.
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Pentile is a Samsung patented style of sub pixel layouts this include rgbw, it still lowers the effective ppi.
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Pentile Is only on Samsung oleds Screens. The note 10.1 uses lcd technology with no sub pixel.
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Not true, Pentile has been used in OLED, LCD and even their plasma displays.
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Not true, Pentile has been used in OLED, LCD and even their plasma displays.
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I don't notice any lag on my Note 10.1 2014. I am on the latest update from Samsung. It is on Android 4.3 and they had 3 updates already. The screen is beautiful and text is very sharp.
I have both tablets and had to choose between them. For me, the Note wins...by a lot.
The supposed lag that a couple people have mentioned with the Note seems bogus to me. Both tablets are fast and only show lag in the same, rare areas. The TouchWiz launcher is surely more susceptible to lag than the Asus launcher, but only in a couple areas. If you use a different launcher, which I'm guessing most people reading XDA do, than both devices feel virtually identical in normal use. They both take 2 seconds to recognize an orientation change. They both take 2 seconds to show you the screen when you wake it up. They both have sub-30fps for the animation when a graphically-intensive app minimizes/maximizes (goes in to and comes out of standby, whatever you wanna call it).
So the SoC's are pretty close in performance...that is until you fire up some 3D games. Basically the Tegra4 just can't drive the WQXGA resolution in lots (most?) 3D games, at least not YET. Maybe some magic improvement will be made in the near future, but for now it's just not very good at all. And you gotta love how devs don't give you graphic settings in most games (probably because they are all iOS ports). Several games I want to play are unable to pull 30 fps on the TF701. I heard that there is an app that will force games to specific resolutions, so that could help but obviously we want to play at the native res.
I made a post here with screenshots of the framerates on my Note, asking for rooted TF701 users to post screenshots from theirs: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47390158&postcount=9
Here's a little comparison I made earlier:
TF701 advantages over the Note 10.1:
Price - $150 cheaper for 32GB model
Keyboard dock - The transformer dock is excellent with next-to-nothing comparable on other tablets. However, quality of the new dock is lacking and was apparently pulled from amazon.com, maybe to address the quality control (rumor?).
Aluminum shell - If you prefer metal over plastic, this is a good thing. It feels nicer than the hard plastic of the Note.
Form-factor - Though the design is dated, I actually prefer the bigger bezel and tapered edges compared to the Note's small bezel and iPad1/GalaxyS4-style squared edges. The TF701 feels easier to hold even though it's heavier.
Easy-to-unlock bootloader - The Note 10.1 is rootable but I haven't looked into it yet. Meanwhile, Asus gives you the bootloader unlocking tool, so it's easy as long as you don't mind voiding your warranty. Not really sure if this is such a great advantage honestly.
Better support from XDA - Apparently the Exynos chips are hard to work with and get less attention here on XDA, so the Tegra4 based TF701 should see more community support.
Note 10.1 advantages over TF701:
Faster 3D graphics - The TF701 is just a hair too slow for most of the games (under 25 fps in many games) I tried, while the Note 10.1 is consistently faster and is just fast enough for most of the games I tried (consistently over or around 30 fps).
Better Speakers - Stereo speakers > mono speaker. Also, edge-mounted > rear-mounted.
IR blaster - Handy for controlling home theater devices and other stuff.
Smaller & lighter - 45g lighter is less than 10%, but it's still noticeable. The short-edge bezels are about half the width of the TF701's, while the long-edge bezels are about 2/3rds the width.
Screen - It's brighter. Despite gsmarena claiming 755 nits from the TF701 (ASUS Transformer Pad TF701T review: Full throttle - GSMArena.com), it is not quite as bright as the Note 10.1. With the TF701 using "outdoor mode" and set to 50% brightness, and the Note set to 50% brightness, the Note is WAY brighter, not like that matters or is telling us anything about the max brightness. The TF701 is just really dim at 50% and below for whatever reason even with outdoor mode on, but that's just the scale Asus decided on. With both set to 100% with no power saving, the difference is not much, but the Note is still brighter (and neither one is anywhere near 755 nits).
The contrast levels are clearly better on the Note, mostly due to darker black levels and more saturation. Colors are better on the Note, too. The colors on the TF701 are washed-out until you set it to VIVID color, then they are more saturated but not very accurate (reds look pale still and seem to bleed). On auto-brightness, the TF701 jumps around abruptly in brightness, which wouldn't bother me except it jumps too much at-a-time to where it's distracting and annnoying. Meanwhile, the Note has a smooth, gradual brightness change to it like most devices I've used.
Gorilla Glass 3 in the Note, no one seems sure of what the Asus uses, maybe GG2?
Not sure about reflectiveness. They both seem pretty dang reflective to me. Does gorilla glass 3 offer any anti-reflectiveness?
RAM - 3GB vs 2GB
Camera - The Note snaps better pics than the TF701 in my fluorescently-lit office setting. I didn't take them outside to test. The TF701 pics were really grainy and smudgey, while the Note pics were not nearly as grainy and not smudgey at all, though still weren't that great. I was using default settings on each tablet, so auto-everything. The Note also takes pics faster when using burst. Plus it has a flash and 8MP versus no flash and 5MP. The MP don't really matter here since the 5MP pics (actually 4MP when doing 16:10) fit the tablet screen perfectly (I think), so 5MP is enough for me.
Haptic feedback - TF701 has none, just like iPad. I miss it when typing especially, but also when gaming.
MicroUSB vs proprietary - I know a microUSB port wouldn't really work for the TF701 because of the docking needs, but they could have put a microUSB port elsewhere on the tablet for convenience. The Note has moved away from the proprietary port in favor of microUSB, which makes it more convenient to charge or transfer files since I have a dozen microUSB cables and chargers placed strategically around the house and in backpacks and whatnot.
S-Pen - Some find this to be a gimmick, but it can be pretty useful. It gives me a good excuse to bring it to meetings for taking notes. Useful if you can't or don't want to touch the screen, like when eating, but you need to interact with the device.
Multi-window - I know the Asus has some floating widgets that kind of act like multi-window, but it's not quite as useful. Granted, I might never utilize multi-window, but maybe I will. This is kind of a gimmicky feature, but probably works well since it has 3GB of RAM to play with.
Availability - The TF701 suddenly showed up on newegg.com and bestbuy.com on Monday this week. Best Buy isn't going to carry any TF701's in-store. Pretty sure Target and other box-stores won't carry it either, so good luck getting your hands on one prior to purchasing. Meanwhile the Note 10.1 is at all the usual stores. If the TF701 was at a store where I could have tested some 3D games, I would have known about the poor performance and wouldn't be paying a restocking fee to Newegg. Oh well, live and learn.
I've bought and been disappointed by the top two Transformers now (TF700 & TF701), so I'd like to think I've learned and will not buy another Asus tablet. I should have waited for some more testimony from TF701 owners before purchasing it I guess. Benchmarks and anecdotal exaggerations of the TF701's performance should not have convinced me. There just isn't much info out there about the framerates of 3d games on the TF701. The closest thing to that is a post I made where I show the FPS of several games on my Note, but I can't install FPS Meter on the TF701 since it requires root and I'm returning it so I can't root it. I am a pretty good estimate of FPS though, and I can tell you the TF701 gets trounced in several games by the Note, and doesn't best the Note in any games I tried. IronMan3, for example, plays horribly on the TF701, going under 10 fps during gameplay frequently (every time you fly by a reflective tanker truck at stuff) and looks like a slideshow 4 fps during part of the intro sequence, while the Note pulls over 20 fps in the same intro sequence.
snake2332 said:
I have both tablets and had to choose between them. For me, the Note wins...by a lot.
The supposed lag that a couple people have mentioned with the Note seems bogus to me. Both tablets are fast and only show lag in the same, rare areas. The TouchWiz launcher is surely more susceptible to lag than the Asus launcher, but only in a couple areas. If you use a different launcher, which I'm guessing most people reading XDA do, than both devices feel virtually identical in normal use. They both take 2 seconds to recognize an orientation change. They both take 2 seconds to show you the screen when you wake it up. They both have sub-30fps for the animation when a graphically-intensive app minimizes/maximizes (goes in to and comes out of standby, whatever you wanna call it).
So the SoC's are pretty close in performance...that is until you fire up some 3D games. Basically the Tegra4 just can't drive the WQXGA resolution in lots (most?) 3D games, at least not YET. Maybe some magic improvement will be made in the near future, .
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Compared to my TF700T my TF701T is a speed demon. My games are now lag free. You guys are too quick to jump ship for problems I'm not even experiencing. Especially, when we all know the 4.3 update vastly improves 3D gaming performance..
Faster, Smoother, More Responsive
Android 4.3 builds on the performance improvements already included in Jelly Bean — vsync timing, triple buffering, reduced touch latency, CPU input boost, and hardware-accelerated 2D rendering — and adds new optimizations that make Android even faster.
For a graphics performance boost, the hardware-accelerated 2D renderer now optimizes the stream of drawing commands, transforming it into a more efficient GPU format by rearranging and merging draw operations. For multithreaded processing, the renderer can also now use multithreading across multiple CPU cores to perform certain tasks.
Android 4.3 also improves rendering for shapes and text. Shapes such as circles and rounded rectangles are now rendered at higher quality in a more efficient manner. Optimizations for text include increased performance when using multiple fonts or complex glyph sets (CJK), higher rendering quality when scaling text, and faster rendering of drop shadows.
Improved window buffer allocation results in a faster image buffer allocation for your apps, reducing the time taken to start rendering when you create a window.
For highest-performance graphics, Android 4.3 introduces support for OpenGL ES 3.0 and makes it accessible to apps through both framework and native APIs. On supported devices, the hardware accelerated 2D rendering engine takes advantage of OpenGL ES 3.0 to optimize texture management and increase gradient rendering fidelity.
OpenGL ES 3.0 for High-Performance Graphics
Android 4.3 introduces platform support for Khronos OpenGL ES 3.0, providing games and other apps with highest-performance 2D and 3D graphics capabilities on supported devices. You can take advantage of OpenGL ES 3.0 and related EGL extensions using either framework APIs or native API bindings through the Android Native Development Kit (NDK).
Key new functionality provided in OpenGL ES 3.0 includes acceleration of advanced visual effects, high quality ETC2/EAC texture compression as a standard feature, a new version of the GLSL ES shading language with integer and 32-bit floating point support, advanced texture rendering, and standardized texture size and render-buffer formats.
You can use the OpenGL ES 3.0 APIs to create highly complex, highly efficient graphics that run across a range of compatible Android devices, and you can support a single, standard texture-compression format across those devices.
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"You can't compare apples to oranges until you have both oranges, side by side, that are equal "
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@ snake2332
You mention that the price difference is $ 150,- compared to the note 2014 ed.
But you forgot to tell that the TF710 comes here standard with a dock for that price and the Note 2014 ed. has none.
So everyone must decide by himself what the best buy is.
The wacky dock connection will be solved for sure by Asus and the build quality is for the rest (I have my second one due to the dock problem) excellent.
Be sure the Note has it flaws also (laggy due to their own interface) just read their thread.
So what will it be: TF701 with dock + extra battery for 4 hrs extra or the Note 2014 without dock with laggy touchwiz but with (for now) better gaming performance for $ 150,- more......
Since you're an xda member I would assume that you root and flash roms and such?
You won't see much dev work on the note with its Exynos chip, Samsung doesn't feel that they should be as open sourced with their chips.
You will get much more dev attention with the Asus.
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@ snake2332
You mention that the price difference is $ 150,- compared to the note 2014 ed.
But you forgot to tell that the TF710 comes here standard with a dock for that price and the Note 2014 ed. has none.
So everyone must decide by himself what the best buy is.
The wacky dock connection will be solved for sure by Asus and the build quality is for the rest (I have my second one due to the dock problem) excellent.
Be sure the Note has it flaws also (laggy due to their own interface) just read their thread.
So what will it be: TF701 with dock + extra battery for 4 hrs extra or the Note 2014 without dock with laggy touchwiz but with (for now) better gaming performance for $ 150,- more......
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I didn't forget to tell anything other than those prices were in the USA. In this country, the TF701 is $450 with no dock while the Note is $600. This doesn't mean that the TF701 is a better buy just because it's 25% cheaper unless all you're looking for is storage capacity.
I agree the build quality is decent, especially once they recall the bad docks or whatever they are currently doing. I didn't get a dock, so I can't add to that discussion.
Yep I know the Note has flaws, too. It is not laggy due to their own interface unless you basically run it like stock, where all the widgets are enabled and huge and all the features are turned on. Almost no one that reads XDA is going to use TouchWiz as the launcher, though, so the argument that the Note is laggy has no real weight in my mind. Sure, Grandma Marge over here might just use TouchWiz as-is and not delete any widgets or change any options, but seriously the Note isn't laggy no matter how badly your closed-mind tries to make it that way.
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Since you're an xda member I would assume that you root and flash roms and such?
You won't see much dev work on the note with its Exynos chip, Samsung doesn't feel that they should be as open sourced with their chips.
You will get much more dev attention with the Asus.
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Oh interesting, I didn't know that. I will update the TF701 advantages to reflect.
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xRevilatioNx said:
Compared to my TF700T my TF701T is a speed demon. My games are now lag free. You guys are too quick to jump ship for problems I'm not even experiencing. Especially, when we all know the 4.3 update vastly improves 3D gaming performance..
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Faster, Smoother, More Responsive
Android 4.3 builds on the performance improvements already included in Jelly Bean — vsync timing, triple buffering, reduced touch latency, CPU input boost, and hardware-accelerated 2D rendering — and adds new optimizations that make Android even faster.
For a graphics performance boost, the hardware-accelerated 2D renderer now optimizes the stream of drawing commands, transforming it into a more efficient GPU format by rearranging and merging draw operations. For multithreaded processing, the renderer can also now use multithreading across multiple CPU cores to perform certain tasks.
Android 4.3 also improves rendering for shapes and text. Shapes such as circles and rounded rectangles are now rendered at higher quality in a more efficient manner. Optimizations for text include increased performance when using multiple fonts or complex glyph sets (CJK), higher rendering quality when scaling text, and faster rendering of drop shadows.
Improved window buffer allocation results in a faster image buffer allocation for your apps, reducing the time taken to start rendering when you create a window.
For highest-performance graphics, Android 4.3 introduces support for OpenGL ES 3.0 and makes it accessible to apps through both framework and native APIs. On supported devices, the hardware accelerated 2D rendering engine takes advantage of OpenGL ES 3.0 to optimize texture management and increase gradient rendering fidelity.
OpenGL ES 3.0 for High-Performance Graphics
Android 4.3 introduces platform support for Khronos OpenGL ES 3.0, providing games and other apps with highest-performance 2D and 3D graphics capabilities on supported devices. You can take advantage of OpenGL ES 3.0 and related EGL extensions using either framework APIs or native API bindings through the Android Native Development Kit (NDK).
Key new functionality provided in OpenGL ES 3.0 includes acceleration of advanced visual effects, high quality ETC2/EAC texture compression as a standard feature, a new version of the GLSL ES shading language with integer and 32-bit floating point support, advanced texture rendering, and standardized texture size and render-buffer formats.
You can use the OpenGL ES 3.0 APIs to create highly complex, highly efficient graphics that run across a range of compatible Android devices, and you can support a single, standard texture-compression format across those devices.
"You can't compare apples to oranges until you have both oranges, side by side, that are equal "
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The 4.3 update will improve performance in games once the games update to include ES 3.0 functions, but not on any Tegra4 devices. Don't you know that the Tegra4 is not compliant with 3.0? NVIDIA is blowing off ES 3.0 support until their Tegra5, at which point there will actually be games that use ES 3.0. So no, the 4.3 update isn't going to do jack for the TF701...ever. Sorry for pointing out this revelation to you.
@ snake2332
You can't say I don't have a dock so it is no part in the decision.
In most countries it comes with the dock so it is part of the decision specially because of the 4 hrs extra battery time you gain.
With the same ease as you leave out the dock I can tell you that I have had the Note 2014 for an extended period in my hands, I can say it is laggy.
Only thing you tell is you have to switch off several widgets, apps etc. to let the Note not be laggy but where is the common sense here?
Well the TF701 comes with no lag and all features still enabled.
So when you compare, compare it equally and not let out things because it is not important or that you never use it or not have it (dock).
So be happy with your Note for much more money and let others enjoy their TF701 with dock and extra 4 hrs battery time.
In the end it comes to personal preferences.
Yours are totally different than the ones that most people use to make the choice for a TF701 and that is extra dock with extra battery and with very usable keyboard for 25% less money.
They are waiting until Tegra 5 because games won't be ready for ES 3.0 for almost another 2 years. It's cost effective for them. Why put it in when it isn't utilized yet lol.
We finally have a competitive GPU architecture from NVIDIA. It’s hardly industry leading in terms of specs, but there’s a good amount of the 80mm^2 die dedicated towards pixel and vertex shading hardware. There's also a new L2 texture cache that helps improve overall bandwidth efficiency.
With Tegra 4, complaints about memory bandwidth can finally be thrown out the window. The Tegra 4 SoC features two 32-bit LPDDR3 memory interfaces, bringing it up to par with the competition.
For users today, the lack of OpenGL ES 3.0 support likely doesn’t matter - but it’ll matter more in a year or two when game developers start using OpenGL ES 3.0. NVIDIA is fully capable of building an OpenGL ES 3.0 enabled GPU, and I suspect the resistance here boils down to wanting to win performance comparisons today without making die size any larger than it needs to be.
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