Can owners of the Galaxy Tab wifi-only version (P1010) please install Quadrant and make a screen shot of the "System Information" (see attached file, example for Moto Xoom) showing the CPU and GPU?
There are rumors that the wifi-only version use a different chip (OMAP 3630) from the original GT (Samsung Hummingbird). In quadrant's "System Information", even if the CPU name is not listed, the GPU name should be listed - if it is the same as the original GT it should be PowerVR SGX540; if it is OMAP 3630 it will be SGX530.
Time to settle some rumors once and for all. Thank you for your contribution.
slim_thumb said:
Can owners of the Galaxy Tab wifi-only version (P1010) please install Quadrant and make a screen shot of the "System Information" (see attached file, example for Moto Xoom) showing the CPU and GPU?
There are rumors that the wifi-only version use a different chip (OMAP 3630) from the original GT (Samsung Hummingbird). In quadrant's "System Information", even if the CPU name is not listed, the GPU name should be listed - if it is the same as the original GT it should be PowerVR SGX540; if it is OMAP 3630 it will be SGX530.
Time to settle some rumors once and for all. Thank you for your contribution.
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It's PowerVR SGX530!
Is this the OMAP 3630?
Even a total noob like me can guess that "Cores:1" can't be good.
rdk67 said:
It's PowerVR SGX530!
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Hey what app is that?
Another app that can show you system info would be elixir. Its free on the market.
pendevous said:
Hey what app is that?
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Android System Info
rtfm1777 said:
Even a total noob like me can guess that "Cores:1" can't be good.
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It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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Can the P1010 though (which is what is being discussed!)
I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
In system folders.
AlexTheStampede said:
It's not like the P1000 has two of them, you know. Plus, the tab plays full hd video while the Tegra 2 can't go above 720p.
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With what video app?
Thanks for the topic as I was also looking into getting the WiFi only tab...will now be looking at the GSM version, ATT or TMOBILE (that one is cheaper) or the 8.9"...when it comes out.
hicdub said:
I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
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Don't know where you're hearing this from. I haven't noticed any lag at all. It seems perfectly responsive to me.
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I am getting one of these in the next week or so, but if I understand correctly then the wifi only version isnt quite as quick?
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I have the original GTab (T-Mobile version) but not the wifi-only (P1010) version. However, I have an Archos 70 tablet that uses the OMAP3630 chip with the SGX530 gpu. It may be comparing orange with grapefruit but this is better than nothing.
The Archos plays downloaded HD video using their media player quite smoothly. However (1) the Archos screen is only 800 x 480 resolution, meaning it is less stressful for a weaker gpu (2) they probably have some form of hardware acceleration for their media player.
The problem comes when you try to watch online streaming video using Adobe Flash in the web browsers (NOTE: NOT through youtube app which compresses the video stream). It can play standard definition (SD, 360p) video but sometimes show stuttering (eg. just before the embedded ads show up). Anything higher (480p or +) causes major stutters and hangs. NOTE: the Archos has a low res. screen (800 x 480) and the SGX530 gpu is already struggling.
When I use my GTab, 360p SD Flash videos in the browser plays smoothly without any problem. It can manage many 480p Flash videos (youtube automatically bumps up the video resolution to 480p when you go full screen). NOTE: the GTab has a higher resolution (1024 x 600) screen, and the SGX540 gpu is able to keep up with it.
My main concern is the pairing of the weaker SGX530 gpu with the "higher" screen resolution of 1024 x 600 in the P1010 may not be a happy marriage!
Any higher res. Flash videos are not possible - and I don't think any single core ARM processors can manage true HD (720p or higher) Flash videos, because these processors were originally designed for smartphones with small low res. screens!
With the original GTab version, you will probably get a faster and smoother user experience eg. swiping through the screens, screen animation / transition, typing on the keyboard. This is because tablets use the touchscreen exclusively for user input, which involves the gpu all the time.
P.S. I rooted my GTab and applied the One Click Lag Fix immediately after unboxing, and it is truely flying! Quadrant about 2200.
Great input, I now see a TMO 3G TAB in my near future ;-)
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P.S. I rooted my GTab and applied the One Click Lag Fix immediately after unboxing, and it is truely flying! Quadrant about 2200.
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I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
Don't buy the wifi version if you expect it to play HD video.
YouTube HQ (480x360) plays smoothly.
Other features are much more responsive than Archos 70 (I have both Grab wifi and Archie 70).
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stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
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Find "OCLF" (OneClickLagFix) in Android Market. I dunno if it will work on the P1010 but it is worth a try.
Run the app and press "install ext2 tools". If this button is red or it fails to install, you are out of luck.
After this, see which "OneClickLagFix" button (v1, v2, v2.2) is green and choose the NEWEST version. If one version fails, try another one (with green button). If all buttons are in red or if all available versions fail, you are out of luck.
P.S. Before I run Quadrant, I close all unnecessary apps in the background (eg. Weather, Twitter, antivirus). This make sure all possible processing power is used to run the benchmark. Before I used OCLF my Quadrant score (original GTab) was about 1100.
stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
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I also apply one click lag fix. Though the score jumps from 6xx to 16xx, I don't think we can trust Quadrant score test after OCLF. Reason: you can see the Database read/write test is so quick as if it did nothing. Before applying lagfix Database write test tooks around 20 seconds, but after lagfix, it looks like it did nothing on the database test.
I found original Grab wifi is already so much responsive even very low quadrant score. Archos 70 has double the gtab wifi quadrant score, but much less responsive.
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Just to confirm OCLF works with p1010. The process was smooth; but I'm still doubt on performance gain. I can't discern the differences.
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stockhomer said:
I only have 720 Quadrant points with my euro p1010 wifi only rooted with Z4root, is that normal?
Ps: sorry for my bad english
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As mentioned in my other reply, I got only 6xx, but this tablet is very fast.
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Even though the HTC desire HD and Galaxy s have the processor with 1Ghz clock speed their linpack scores vary. SGS has about 12-14 and HTC Desire HD has 35-38. Also the same case with Nexus One. Can someone help me with this dilema?
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Even though the HTC desire HD and Galaxy s have the processor with 1Ghz clock speed their linpack scores vary. SGS has about 12-14 and HTC Desire HD has 35-38. Also the same case with Nexus One. Can someone help me with this dilema?
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Simple. Linpack is optimised for snapdragon processors. I'm sure if you searched you could have solved this by yourself.
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And it's a synthetic benchmark anyway. Benchmarks are only useful if you know what exactly they are testing, they produce verbose outputs and if they test similar workloads to what you normally perform. Linpack is only somewhat useful if you only care about the speed floating point operations.
By the way, please stop saying it's optimised for snapdragon! To the best of what I've heard, that isn't the case. Snapdragons simply handle floating points better apparently. So yes, it might run better on snapdragon, but the developer probably didn't shift through the Dalvik code finding ways to speed it up on snapdragon.
We still don't really have enough information to understand if Snapdragon or hummingbird are faster in most applications, because we don't have an application similar to PCmark
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We still don't really have enough information to understand if Snapdragon or hummingbird are faster in most applications, because we don't have an application similar to PCmark
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I know for a fact that in the "real world" the Desire HD $hits all over the SGS... I have both devices, and its very clear that the lag kills the SGS experience.
Its also worth noting, the Desire HD has the more optimised rev II Snapdragon processor. Clock for clock vs original Snapdragon, rev II is about 25% quicker...
PS - It is a shame tho, the Desire HD does not have native DIVX player support. You have to download Rockplayer for $10 to get that..
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I know for a fact that in the "real world" the Desire HD $hits all over the SGS... I have both devices, and its very clear that the lag kills the SGS experience.:
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The lag is caused by the internal memory and file system though, not the Hummingbird.
cheetah2k said:
You have to download Rockplayer for $10 to get that..
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eum. Rockplayer is free.
cheetah2k said:
I know for a fact that in the "real world" the Desire HD $hits all over the SGS... I have both devices, and its very clear that the lag kills the SGS experience.
Its also worth noting, the Desire HD has the more optimised rev II Snapdragon processor. Clock for clock vs original Snapdragon, rev II is about 25% quicker...
PS - It is a shame tho, the Desire HD does not have native DIVX player support. You have to download Rockplayer for $10 to get that..
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How does the desire HD handle 3D games? When i went to the HTC event in London, it wasnt really very impressive when it came to the 3D games, the SGS was clearly superior thanks to its PowerVR 540 GPU.
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I know for a fact that in the "real world" the Desire HD $hits all over the SGS... I have both devices, and its very clear that the lag kills the SGS experience.
Its also worth noting, the Desire HD has the more optimised rev II Snapdragon processor. Clock for clock vs original Snapdragon, rev II is about 25% quicker...
PS - It is a shame tho, the Desire HD does not have native DIVX player support. You have to download Rockplayer for $10 to get that..
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For starters, the question was based on linpack, but you are comparing the overall device. The software has already been shown to have a large impact on the devices. Furthermore, it's running bytecode, so it depends on the dalvik implementation.Your "facts" are actually non-conclusive, and seem to be based on observations.
Secondly, 25% faster isn't enough info when you don't know how hummingbird is in comparison. And even that is total crock, because 25% under which workload? It's like saying that a mechanical harddisk is half as fast as an SSD. However, under which conditions? We KNOW that mechanical HDD's operate horribly with random access. Well, what conditions have been improved on the scorpion CPU?
The harsh reality is, we don't know how exactly they compare, and benchmarks like Linpack or Quadrant only provide a tiny picture. It's more important to identify what kind of operations you need, and test those operations specifically. What we should ask is why you care about linpack?
I'm interested in finding out how the CPU's perform exactly though honestly (even against snapdragon).
What I've seen on quadrant is that it tests all aspects of a cpu. Arithmetic of int, short, long, xml parsing, audio and video decoding and the nexus one still has a better score only in cpu. Nexus one has about 4500 and my sgs has a max of 1992. Dosent this provide the big picture?
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get CyanogenMod in SGS and try again
vivekrk44 said:
What I've seen on quadrant is that it tests all aspects of a cpu. Arithmetic of int, short, long, xml parsing, audio and video decoding and the nexus one still has a better score only in cpu. Nexus one has about 4500 and my sgs has a max of 1992. Dosent this provide the big picture?
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The big picture of what exactly? That quadrant doesn't give accurate results when comparing phones? This thread is a waste of time
There's been a topic about this before. To get a proper comparison of actual MFLOPS performance of both devices, we'd need to make a comparison that is not hampered by different versions of Android software, different Linux kernels or different levels of JIT optimization.
To properly compare them, you could load Ubuntu (same version) on both devices, and have them run a properly optimized version of native UNIX Linpack. That'd actually be testing the hardware capabilities. Native UNIX Linpack runs 62+ on the iPad's 1 GHz Apple A4 (of which the execution core is said to be identical to the Hummingbird) which is over four times as much as we're getting on Android Linpack on the Hummingbird.
I'd be happy to volunteer my Galaxy S, but we'd need someone with a Snapdragon phone to do the same.
vivekrk44 said:
What I've seen on quadrant is that it tests all aspects of a cpu. Arithmetic of int, short, long, xml parsing, audio and video decoding and the nexus one still has a better score only in cpu. Nexus one has about 4500 and my sgs has a max of 1992. Dosent this provide the big picture?
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Nope.. Because as mentioned, it still goes through the VM, and you are looking at a weighted score or does it show every component individually? Also, when you say "all aspects of the CPU", how do you know it's all aspects. The fact you mention XML parsing as a proper test is silly, because it's basic string operations (array of numbers generally).
You also forget that Android is a timesharing OS, so background processes can have an effect. When I say the overall view, I mean a total breakdown of the CPU, cache, average cycles taken for specific instructions, etc.
You can't test the CPU with Dalvik, or even the NDK. And in the case of Linpack as mentioned, it's a very specific workload. There might be CPU specific workloads which hummingbird performs significantly faster than the other processors (we don't know). All that should matter to you, is how well your apps run.
As all the smart people have said, don't trust benchmarks and also Froyo's JIT compiler isn't yet optimized for hummingbird, That will change once google plays around with the nexus s.
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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GPU in P1010 is PowerVR SGX530!
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
Earthbrain said:
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
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PowerVR SGX540 in P1000 is much faster!
No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
How much is much faster?
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Don't care about the BT. I think the gps is actually there. Can anyone confirm that?
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No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
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It does have GPS.
The CPU is also different.
In summary, there are 3 differences:
1. CPU (not much different, I think)
2. GPU (thus can't play 720p smoothly, forget 1080p)
3. Bluetooth (transfer speed is lower)
I own one, and I'm disappointed at the GPU.
So what one does att carry
Thanks. Not getting that one then. Want full power
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HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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1. The P1010 weighs maybe 1 - 5 grams less because you don't need to put a card in it.
2. The WiFi-only only has a 16GB internal memory model.
3. No EDGE, 3G, etc.
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
Galaxy Tab WiFi is OMAP3
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi and will be returning it tomorrow.
The SoC is an OMAP3 of some kind. The GPU *is* an SGX530, which is significantly slower than the SGX540 on the Samsung C110 SoC. The OMAPs memory controller is also much slower than the C110s, various other OMAP bits are not up-to-spec compared to C110. The Galaxy Tab WiFi is a joke. Buy a nook color instead: save $100 and get a better LCD.
I'm sure that the product spec page for the Galaxy Tab WiFi said "C110 Applications Processor" a few days ago, now it reads "1GHz A8 Cortex Processor" (which isn't even written correctly, should be "Cortex-A8"...). I was suspicious when someone posted that they had inspected a P1010 ROM and it contained all of the TI OMX libraries, but I didn't believe that Samsung would redo the whole BSP for a product destined to sell zero million units.
I was wrong. Guess I'll wait for the Asus Transformer.
It seems that the firmware / Android version isn't upgradable by normal means.
There is no firmware or Android update selection like the Sprint version.
Kies indicates that the firmware is NOT upgradable.
Anyone know what's going on?
I brought mine yesterday
P1010 decode 720P video is fine (smooth) with stock video player
Screen is so great (actually better than my HD2 w/ Android) , just waiting for the great great xda developer work on the kernel so I can overclock mine...
Here is the list I really like
- ROOT access
- Overclocking , Memory Managerment
- UI Tweak (Using Go launcher at the moment)
pendevous said:
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
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I agree, I haven't seen anything definitive yet that shows it has the weaker CPU. Can any of you smart xda people who has either broken one open (not me, ...yet) or studied the code give a somewhat more definitive answer? I've had mine for 2 weeks now. I'm happy with its performance. But I know I'm going to want to play with the innards down the road. Is it really that much different from the tab phones?
Any update on this? I was going to get a WiFi tab but having second thoughts now...
@victor888 - what app did you use to play the 720p files, RockPlayer?
It is apparently different...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054872
the P1010 is not Bluetooth keyboard Compatible (No HID inside). apparently does not support video output through HDMI cable, please advise if anyone is working.
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Update... Solved Bluetooth compatibility.
Hi.
I could connect my bluetooth keyboard to my Galaxy Tab P1010 (only WIFI) by an application from the Android Market. This application is called "BlueKeyboard JP". I am using Stock GingerBread Rom.
greetings.
Tested it
Hey there,
I have read a lot about the differences of these Tabs, but I have not seen some real results.
So I just bought both of them... And I compared:
Fazit: the GT-P1000 is really faster then the GT-P1010!
I have made a screenshot of both Tabs. P1010 with Android 2.2.1 and P1000 with Android 2.2 with nothing running then Quadrant.
The results are:
P1000: 1090 Points
P1010: 691 Points
You can feel the differences by browsing, sliding the top bar down and using the back and home button.
I don't have pictures of the Hardwareinfos, but I lookes at them and there are a lot of differences. The CPU is the same. But the GPU is a [email protected] and a [email protected] All sensors are different and other things. [email protected] and [email protected]
I will make pictures and a list of all differences, if someone want's it.
Greetz,
Tillmet
I don't trust in Quadrant benchmark. If you use OCLF in the P1010 the result overpast the 1000 points.
In game I have good performace +-30fps in HD gameloft titles, like Eternal Legacy, Dungeon Hunter, etc. In video performace the P1010 play 720p h.263 very well (test it with the free Big Buck Bunny Movie 720p mp4, the picture quality is awesome) ;no so well with h.264 that need be 480p with a baseline level 3.0 profile.
Yes, is no so powerfull like the P1000 but with the price I am satisfied with it.
Ps. Android System Info show OpenGL 1.1 same that the P1000.
Hi I see conflicting statments about the wifi only tab. is it indeed much inferior as it has a rubbish gpu? e.g. I have seen some youtube vids of fpse running amazingly well on the tab, would it run very slow on the p1010?
Thanks
p.s. if I had a brand new sealed one what could I sell it for?
Edit found some more threads looks like it does indeed have a much worse gpu. How annoying as I can get one really cheap. Still interested on your thoughts on what I can see it for. I should be able to get a brand new one for £149.99 tomorrow (best buy bristol OOS today but were taking names of people who missed out)
badasschris said:
Hi I see conflicting statments about the wifi only tab. is it indeed much inferior as it has a rubbish gpu? e.g. I have seen some youtube vids of fpse running amazingly well on the tab, would it run very slow on the p1010?
Thanks
p.s. if I had a brand new sealed one what could I sell it for?
Edit found some more threads looks like it does indeed have a much worse gpu. How annoying as I can get one really cheap. Still interested on your thoughts on what I can see it for. I should be able to get a brand new one for £149.99 tomorrow (best buy bristol OOS today but were taking names of people who missed out)
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Okay, I've been reading stuff around forums that the Wifi-only Tab is less powerful than the normal one. However, when I checked sites like GSMArena, Softpedia.org, etc. They didn't mention these changes.
You can sell it for about 20 euros off the price (sorry, that's about 16-18 pounds, maybe?)
Edit: according to some tests ran, the wifi version does indeed uses powerVR530 instead.
I just started a thread asking p1010 owners to install Quadrant and post a screen shot of the "System Information".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054872
There were rumors that the P1010 uses OMAP not Samsung Hummingbird. The GPU is indeed SGX530, not SGX540 of the Samsung Hummingbird.
I also dug through many user forums and found another post (in Bulgarian) with the same finding:
http://www.androidbg.com/forum/topic10462-samsung-galaxy-tab-wifi-639-lv-v-tekhnomarket.html
(post #16 - copy and paste into google translate)
I also have an Archos 70 which has OMAP 3630 / SGX530. The Adobe flash video is definitely not smooth (even at 360p), and the Archos has a lower resolution screen (800 x 480). Playing pre-recorded HD video is smooth (720 H.264 definitely, 1080 H.264 depends on the bitrate), but again the video is playing on a lower resolution screen on the Archos. It also depends on the hardware of the device (The Archos usually has a good board that support hardware acceleration for multimedia).
I can assure you about the lower spec of the wifi version which has been confirmed by our local Samsung. They are asked to give some compensation to the buyers who have mistakenly bought this wifi version due to wrong advert (i.e. same spec as the 3g version, but without phone and 3g capability).
It barely (to impossible to) plays HD movies. Other features are not very much of an issue. Youtube HQ video and dvdrip video works smoothly, though.
I also own Archos 70 for a few months before I get Galaxy Tab Wifi version. I really loved Archos 70.
Archos 70 is really thin and battery lasts longer. What Galaxy Tab Wifi surpasses Archos 70 are:
- LCD is much better
- everything works obviously faster even on the stock ROM.
- more app/data storage
- Flash works quite smooth
I really want them to combine good features of both tablets!
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Hi all I have seen some YouTube videos that the game running smoothly on the galaxy tab 10.1
I installed on my 8.9 LTE and it lag like mad to the point that its unplayable
Is it suppose to be this slow?
the_hatrix said:
Hi all I have seen some YouTube videos that the game running smoothly on the galaxy tab 10.1
I installed on my 8.9 LTE and it lag like mad to the point that its unplayable
Is it suppose to be this slow?
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It's been specially optimized for Tegra 2, doubt there's been much love given to the Adreno 220 yet.
Your 10.1 owning friends will be able to play Tegra 2 enahnced games that you cant, but you will be able to play back all kinds of video files at full frame rates and qualities, and they will not be able to on their tegra 2's.
The qualcom chip in our lte 8.9's is faster all around also, in addition to having the NEON instructions that allow hardware acceleration of mpeg4.
I just fixed it!
Version 1.0 works beautifully (even with IPAD graphics). You can find the fix for IPAD graphics on this forum.
Version 1.2 however lags terribly, but works extremely fast on a galaxy SII (standard international model).
Have fun!
Since i noticed lags in games i tried to figure out whats wrong with my phone, and finally found app named Quick System Info PRO (its free) and there is an option "live monitor" which shows cpu freq and usage per every core in on screen widget, which is staint over most content on screen including games. I've played some titles like GTA3, NFS most wanted, shadowgun etc. and every single game uses ony one core scaling usualy between 1000-1500 MHz with approx. 70-100% usage. I've tried same thing on my nexus 7 (android 4.2.2) and everything runs very fast and it uses 2-3 cores scaled around 600-1000 MHz with 20-40% usage.
There is no problem in chrome, antutu they're using more cores, this happens only in games (every title I've played have the same issue even THD titles)
so whats the matter? is it ICS fault? Do you have the same issue? is there any way to fix it or will JB updade fix it?
I'm using stock LG-P880-V10h-NOV-19-2012 firmware, phone is rooted.
I've noticed exactly the same thing as you, I've checked with the "hidden code" to check for core speeds
really strange i wish someone to fix this bug is really disappointed quad core 1gb ram tegra 3 and lag all games
+ tegra games.... lets think possitive...
Is there any way to fix it? hope JB will solve everything
Something I saw in the one x forum which I will try when I get home is limiting the max frequency to 1ghz, as it won't use all 4 cores any higher than this because of overheat. More likely the cause is bad optimization
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Yes, what you say is somewhat true. When the core of the phone hits 40 degrees celsius, it clocks at a lower speed and that's when you see the "slow charging" even though you plug it in a wall socket.
Xenogenics said:
Yes, what you say is somewhat true. When the core of the phone hits 40 degrees celsius, it clocks at a lower speed and that's when you see the "slow charging" even though you plug it in a wall socket.
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What I read was 1500mhz: 1 core, 1100-1400: 2 to 3 cores and >1000mhz: 4 cores. I know of the temperature setting also. Tested this with NFS MW, I noticed no improvements but neither did it perform any worse which is interesting for a game that's not the smoothest
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Just like normal computers, if a piece of software is not designed to use multi threading.. then it will only use one cpu.
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Just like normal computers, if a piece of software is not designed to use multi threading.. then it will only use one cpu.
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Yep its mostly devs fault, however they should be using it anyway because they are compatible with galaxy s3? Could it be possible to hack it so it uses the s3 configuration and achieve multiple for usage, or is it impossible across different chipsets? I don't get it, I've seen that most games we complain about do not have these issues on the HTC one x
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You can modify build.prop to look like that of a galaxy s3 (edit model, manufacturer etc..), might trigger it, but that might create problems with other apps (including play store)
I think it's just bad programming since there are functions in android java that will allow you to get the number of cores, so then.. you can enable multi threading... not sure why they would use device detection or whatever.. I mean if a device got 4 cpus, it got 4 cpus! doesnt have to be a bloody s3
I think it's ICS 4.0.3 fault, like I said before everything runs smooth on Nexus 7 which have 4.2.2 and notice that one X already have 4.1.2.
Suprising fact I've found on polish wikipedia is improvements list of 4.1.2 and line that says:
"optymalizacja wydajności w grach dla procesorów NVidia Tegra 3 i kart graficznych NVidia GeForce ULP"
which means: "In-game performance optimalisation for NVidia Tegra 3 proccessors and NVidia GeForce ULP graphics cards"
Hope thats true
wlodarsdz said:
I think it's ICS 4.0.3 fault, like I said before everything runs smooth on Nexus 7 which have 4.2.2 and notice that one X already have 4.1.2.
Suprising fact I've found on polish wikipedia is improvements list of 4.1.2 and line that says:
"optymalizacja wydajności w grach dla procesorów NVidia Tegra 3 i kart graficznych NVidia GeForce ULP"
which means: "In-game performance optimalisation for NVidia Tegra 3 proccessors and NVidia GeForce ULP graphics cards"
Hope thats true
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Well like you say they run fine on other hardware, HD games must have multi threading support for these and the galaxy s3, so the question is why aren't they using it for ours? Must be the software, even forcing all cores online does nothing to help.
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If it uses handset detection, and detects HOX and it ticks it as supported, then its going to work because it will activate multithreading.. but probably it doesnt detect the lg 4x as supported... because IMO, it uses the wrong detection (device based) to determine mutithreading.
Tcm9669 said:
If it uses handset detection, and detects HOX and it ticks it as supported, then its going to work because it will activate multithreading.. but probably it doesnt detect the lg 4x as supported... because IMO, it uses the wrong detection (device based) to determine mutithreading.
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So editing build.prop might work?
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---------- Post added at 12:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 AM ----------
In fact I want to test your theory but can't find the one x build.prop
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wlodarsdz said:
Since i noticed lags in games i tried to figure out whats wrong with my phone, and finally found app named Quick System Info PRO (its free) and there is an option "live monitor" which shows cpu freq and usage per every core in on screen widget, which is staint over most content on screen including games. I've played some titles like GTA3, NFS most wanted, shadowgun etc. and every single game uses ony one core scaling usualy between 1000-1500 MHz with approx. 70-100% usage. I've tried same thing on my nexus 7 (android 4.2.2) and everything runs very fast and it uses 2-3 cores scaled around 600-1000 MHz with 20-40% usage.
There is no problem in chrome, antutu they're using more cores, this happens only in games (every title I've played have the same issue even THD titles)
so whats the matter? is it ICS fault? Do you have the same issue? is there any way to fix it or will JB updade fix it?
I'm using stock LG-P880-V10h-NOV-19-2012 firmware, phone is rooted.
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Its not exactly our phones fault that most games using 1 core, in-fact almost all apps runs using 1 core they are not yet optimized to use multi-core,in our case its little developers fault and little ICS fault.
Also I am still confused why you people complain about lags? This device is very smooth and I play HD games on my (50 inch full HD) TV with my PS3 bluetooth controller(specially bought for gaming on 4X) and it runs just fine. I play Shadow Gun deadzone online with no lags(even with tiny lag - single frame skip means I am dead)...etc NFS MW runs fine too rarely it runs little slow in first few seconds of race but later it becomes fine.
I had issues with heat and battery drain problem to overcome this I have underclock my device to 4cores 1.2ghz (Governor - onthedemand) and even after underclocking it runs all my games fine. I have read (never tested) for gaming governor - Performance is i deal but battery drains faster.
However similar complains were there in HTC OneX as well until it gets updated to JB.
So I assume this issue should get resolved with JB update.
shazmekool said:
Its not exactly our phones fault that most games using 1 core, in-fact almost all apps runs using 1 core they are not yet optimized to use multi-core,in our case its little developers fault and little ICS fault.
Also I am still confused why you people complain about lags? This device is very smooth and I play HD games on my (50 inch full HD) TV with my PS3 bluetooth controller(specially bought for gaming on 4X) and it runs just fine. I play Shadow Gun deadzone online with no lags(even with tiny lag - single frame skip means I am dead)...etc NFS MW runs fine too rarely it runs little slow in first few seconds of race but later it becomes fine.
I had issues with heat and battery drain problem to overcome this I have underclock my device to 4cores 1.2ghz (Governor - onthedemand) and even after underclocking it runs all my games fine. I have read (never tested) for gaming governor - Performance is i deal but battery drains faster.
However similar complains were there in HTC OneX as well until it gets updated to JB.
So I assume this issue should get resolved with JB update.
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The worst games are nova 3 and amazing spiderman, if you can figure how to make them run smooth I'll be happy, most others are playable on my phone
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Update: If gaming is your top priority I recommend downgrading to v10d until.this jb update comes, I haven't checked of all cores were used but most wanted was much smoother, also phone got very hot! Tried amazing Spiderman which was unplayable, its still quite slow but is possible to play, going to test nova 3 next
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Tried nova 3, very playable, slight frame drops but nothing bad, similar to playing mc4 online over 3g
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Odp: [Q] Only one core used in gaming, why?
Could you try to run real racing 3 with high graphic for me?
xtynekk said:
Could you try to run real racing 3 with high graphic for me?
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Ok but could take a while, downloading on 3g
Edit: can't download, progress bar is stuck at empty, checked file size, not increasing,
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