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http://www.phonearena.com/news/7-inch-Huawei-MediaPad-announced-with-Honeycomb-3.2_id19701
Seems Android 3.2 is Honeycomb 3.1, but optimised for 7" tablets. Let's hope it's been optimised for the physical size, not the pixel size (though Android can do this, so it ought not be an issue). Can't wait!
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/7-inch-Huawei-MediaPad-announced-with-Honeycomb-3.2_id19701
Seems Android 3.2 is Honeycomb 3.1, but optimised for 7" tablets. Let's hope it's been optimised for the physical size, not the pixel size (though Android can do this, so it ought not be an issue). Can't wait!
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Hahaha I just posted this too.. Didnt see your thread.. hahaha
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Hahaha I just posted this too.. Didnt see your thread.. hahaha
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I totally understand; it's exciting!
Dell had better get off their butts, though, or DJ_Steve and crew will wipe the floor with them. Of course, even if Dell does get off their butts DJ_Steve will still pass them once AOSP HC/ICS is released. I hope to have some dev skills by then (learning Linux and Java now, though I'm starting from scratch so I have a ways to go before I'm useful).
this is awesome news.. hope this will release by sometimes this summer
Gawd I hope they're doing something with this!
Wait, why would this benefit us? If that tablet is already honeycomb compliant in the resolution department why does that infer 3.2 is friendly for all 7" tablets?
I apologize for my ignorance and seek understanding.
The only current release target for 3.2 is another 7" tablet (the one in OP's link)
the only size tablets available with 3.0 and 3.1 are 10" tabs.
All HC tabs are either completely google stock roms or functionally google stock (the transformer has a couple icons changed but nothing functional i believe?)
Add all those together and it's likely google is working with them to make HC work well on 7" (and not just a straight port)
What does this involve? Prob not much, but it cant ever hurt to have more thorough testing/support for a device.
the streak 5 has an unofficial, unreleased port of HC, but the icons are very small. The 3 soft buttons are small on a 5" and require more precision then you'd normally expect in comparison to the other buttons because they're spaced so close together.
I'd imagine even if there's no feature changes there might be work on making sure the UI is nice and touch friendly for that size.
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Wait, why would this benefit us? If that tablet is already honeycomb compliant in the resolution department why does that infer 3.2 is friendly for all 7" tablets?
I apologize for my ignorance and seek understanding.
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It probably has to do with the issue of GAPPS not displaying properly unless you're at 106 screen density or below; ours look best at 160.
Hi all,
Now, i'm planning to buy myself a tablet,but I can't make my decision because I don't know which kind of tablet should I buy. An Android one or Apple's one?
I enjoy the entertainment that the iPad bring to me, but I also like the Android one since it gives me more freedom in using it.
Any opinions? welcome to speak
Ive got my eye on the Motorola XOOM.
With Google at the helm im sure it'll get the support it needs.
It also has HDMI-out on it which is a bonus
iPad2 all the way for tablets for now.
Lets see what Ice Cream Sandwich brings to the table.
If I had to pick an Android tablet, it'd be the Samsung Galaxy 10.1
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iPad2 all the way for tablets for now.
Lets see what Ice Cream Sandwich brings to the table.
If I had to pick an Android tablet, it'd be the Samsung Galaxy 10.1
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Why would you buy a tablet that can't run flash? Im sure you'd be using the web browser on that big screen at some point :S
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Why would you buy a tablet that can't run flash? Im sure you'd be using the web browser on that big screen at some point :S
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Flash is barely an issue. Most websites have appropriated their websites for iPad compatibility.
As both a former XOOM user and current iPad2 owner, I rarely get any issues with lack of flash content. Thats just my personal use case though
XOOM is heavier, and subpar screen compared to iPad2, which are my main gripes. Sure the XOOM has higher resolution screen, but the display is definitely mediocre to that of the iPad2.
I have the ipad 1, BUT I would really buy a Samsung tablet now, just to taste a bit of both worlds. And yes you don't have to suffer a lot for the lack of flash, just not the case anymore.
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Flash is barely an issue. Most websites have appropriated their websites for iPad compatibility.
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If your happy with a dumbed down version of the site that's your choice.
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As both a former XOOM user and current iPad2 owner, I rarely get any issues with lack of flash content. Thats just my personal use case though
XOOM is heavier, and subpar screen compared to iPad2, which are my main gripes. Sure the XOOM has higher resolution screen, but the display is definitely mediocre to that of the iPad2.
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To me it comes down to functionality. Id be using the web browser the most which is why the ipad doesnt appeal to me.
Thanks for your opinions though its good to hear from someone whos owned both devices whereas ive neither got the xoom or the ipad
Still after a XOOM though.
I am having this same debate also. I am all about Android and have been looking at the XOOM for some time. I just recently got my hands on an IPAD 2 and it seems very well polished and it functions well. I just don't like being limited on customization. Another good tablet on the market is the Galaxy Tab and it has come a long way. I'm leaning towards a Galaxy tab now, I will have to watch some more reviews before I make the plunge.
If I had to buy right now it would have to be iPad 2 unfortunately because of the quality of apps.
However, I would wait for ICS and hope GTab 7.7" gets ICS if it's decent. But tech is not worth waiting for as you'd end up waiting for A then B is not far off but then C may be even better.
I would ask yourself if you prefer the Apple or Android ecosystem & go from there. If you prefer Apple's then get an iPad 2. If you prefer android, then get the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
I was once an iPad 1 & iPhone user with tons of Apple apps but decided Android was for me & gave them all up. I don't regret my decision at all.
If you like widgets, go with Android. If you hate widgets, go with Apple. Wolf, Android, sheep, Apple. Flexibilty, Android, prisonlike restrictions, Apple.
I like Android.
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Neither OS has really matured well enough for a tablet environment.
Ipad is better then any other tablets because its smooth. Wish some android tablets are stable.
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Neither OS has really matured well enough for a tablet environment.
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I refuse to feed the troll. But I'd take an HTC flyer any day.
Please lengthen your message to at least 10 charters
As KingFoxl said ipads are very restricted. As android you have the ability to make countless changes.
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I would use the Galaxy Tab 10.1 , even though I currently use the iPad 2 .
Sorry Apple , stuff just ain't the same without Steve Jobs .
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Android one for sure. Same as comparing iPhone with an Android phone. Complete freedom versus pretty much locked down
I cant live w/o Airplay, other than that Android.
ipad with the calling capabilities (as of galaxy tab 7) wud be the ideal tablet -- a big 10 inch iphone
I have the original iPad, have no problem with flash since I'm using skyfire, and I need to just press an extra button for the flash content to load. Also welcome to the world of HTML5. No one uses flash anymore.
As for Android tablets, never really played around, but I know the Xoom is really heavy since I played with that.
I just had a random thought...ICS on personal computers! By that, I mean ICS running on our x86 desktops and laptops!
I tried Android X86 before. It was very fast, but running a phone O.S on a desktop just didn't feel right.
ICS seems as it may be very good for laptops and especially netbooks. Better speeds, better battery life, and greater security are just a few advanges over Windows.
Personally, I'd love to see ICS running on my MacBook. I believe it would both run and look amazing!
What are your thoughts about this? I for one see ICS running quite well on phones, tablets, and now personal computers!
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Now I can't see why i would want ICS on my desktop. I wouldn't be able to watch all my movies due to lack of codec support or software simply isn't polished enough. I wouldn't be able to code. I wouldn't be able to properly edit a document or start one. I could go on but you get the jist right? A computer is a computer, and for now ICS is a plaything. Until google thinks about entering the computer scene with android, it will be a plaything.
Mm I don't see ICS replacing my Mac or laptop , is way different, sure use a tablet as a full PC and trust me that ain't fun all the time, specially working a lot with spreadsheets, works become so much harder , ICS is meant to be a mobile OS
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what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?
I just wanted to throw in a little "update": Since Android 4 ICS will be open-source, the guys down at Android-X86 are sure to port it to X86, followed by a good community modding it.
I for one would love to have ICS running on my MacBook Pro, that is, while taking advantage of the Magic Multi-Touch trackpad. That would be epic.
Anyways, I hope to see ICS running well and looking great on all devices. Android 4 seems to be a very good operating system. I played with a Honeycomb tablet the other day and loved it; the UI was very nice and the menus were great. I can't wait to see a similar-looking O.S running on my blazin' Galaxy S II, and, hopefully my future Tegra 3-Powered tablet!
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what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?
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I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).
I'm with Kailkti. I see no reason why I'd want Android on a PC. No reason whatsoever. None. The flexibility and feature set of Android and it's apps is just waaaay too far away from a full-fledged OS.
In fact, I'd go the other way around, the only situation I'd even consider a tablet is if I could run a traditional Linux distro on it. Which will never happen thanks to the closed nature of tablet hardware.
Keep mobile OSes as far away as possible from full-fledged computers, thank you.
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I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).
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I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.
I think Android is fabulous, but there's enough lightweight Linux distros with much better support for x86 architecture and that aren't touchscreen centered that it's not likely the kind of market Android could gain ground on.
I also think both devices, a full fledged computer and a phone do go hand in hand for some people but are still vastly dissimilar in their usage.
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I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.
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Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.
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Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.
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reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Never at a reasonable price. That's the big problem with touchscreens. Quality ones aren't cheap and cheap ones are of atrocious quality... A good OS with a crappy input method is no better than a crappy OS with a good input method. Either will make you rage because they won't behave as you wished.
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reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Honestly, I cannot think of a reason why you'd want a touchpad on a laptop. I'm using a MacBook Pro right now, and could not think of when I would EVER use a touchscreen, if the screen had one. The trackpad is much better, and the keyboard is just great.
Not to mention the arm strain you'd get from keeping your hand up to navigate.
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
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There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
I agree.. I'm feeling frustrated from lag and the low support from my device. Yes Apple taking the full control for IOS.. But I realise that its for good.....
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I am still not sold on the iOS
here at the WEF
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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SGSChris said:
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
I've only owned my sgt 8.9 for a month and I think th nhardware is fantastic and going from iphone 3-4s and my wifes ipad 2 to this android and samsung show they can pull it off better than apple in most ways.... But.....
Time between releases isn't practical, the features of true clean android os (no samsung excess besides ebook) are fantastic but samsung kill it with touchwiz and excess compulsary samsung apps, and the market is great but also it's own worst enemy. (but we cant do anything about that because its un-regulated so to speak). Been muking around with custom roms and my hats off to the develooers as they're are really trying to polish up and bring us the best experience possible but they're relying on samsung to continue support but sadly they just are developing enough for our developers to improve on.
It's sad when a combination of 2 great products with both ability, style and funding can't bring it together and focus on fewer models or realeases to perfect something thats already almost there and really flex there muscles in the face of the competition.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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This is true, I suppose it really depends upon what you are using the tablet for.
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
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agree, but that is why we need to consider the whole ecosystem that generates design standards, a sense of esthetics and professionalism and coolness...
samsung seems to push new bricks with better technology at a frantic speed but this does not improve usability. they are bad at engaging users and are terrible on the softwareside. It also seems that the ios ecosystem has the more demanding users that care less about tech and custom roms but overall usability.
I have my tab now for 5 months, there has not been a release of any appropriate rom by samsung for a 600$ Tablet! not acceptable...and my sgs i9000 is also not supported anymore by samsung...
I have an 8.9 and I feel your pain as well. I want Android to work out but it seems the manufacturers are only interested in the initial sale of the item, after that support dwindles quickly. Compare this to Apple who understands that your building a relationship with your customer. I think it sucks that the Kindle Fire has better support then the Galaxy Tab and most honeycomb devices.
App support with Android is poor at best. When compatibility has to be reviewed for each device by the developer (Hello hulu, netflix, & Gameloft!), you have a poor ecosystem. A number of really good games avail on the iPad do not even have Android the radar.
Still, I hang in there, because I don't like Apples restrictive system. Hoping manufacturers & developers will get on board and fix things. If it doesn't change in the next year though, I'm out and going back to iPad, because at the end of the day I want to use my device not hack it.
I can understand the frustration fully. I have an LG Optimus S, and my wife just upgraded off her Samsung Moment. Sometimes, vendor support for the latest version of android is minimal at best. In contrast, Apple EOLs their hardware, and there is no coming back from that. Every hardware update/major version release sees the previous oldest supported platform unsupported. Additionally, even the previous version sees missing features on the software side (ref iphone 4 + siri) that hafe been proven to run on the older platform.
Atleast with android, you can rely on strong dev communities to build new versions of the software in a timely manner. All weekend I ran the ICS alpha/beta and it is very nice!
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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This is a really interesting thread, because it portrays what I think would be a very different opinion versus if you asked the same question other in the dev board. And the different demographics involves paralleled a conversation I had the other day at work.
I am a complete Android head - half the appeal for me is tinkering with the thing. I see that as normal - no, actually I see that as a big part of the experience. I hate the iPad because it is so rigidly locked down in every respect. I had an iPad, but found it stifling and could get on with it even jailbroken.
I was shocked, however, when a girl at work gave a ten minute scathing diatribe on Android based on her experience with a low end Samsung phone. "But that was a low end Android phone!" I said. "It was bound to be slow and clunky. That's not a fair assessment of Android to base it on that experience. Plus, even if it was underpowered hardware, you probably could still have found a ROM for it out there that'd solve most of the problems you were having".
She didn't care. She just wanted the thing to work out of the box and her eyes glazed over when I started talking about ROMs.
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now. Time was I would have recommended the GT 8.9 unequivocally. The form factor plus hardware (in my opinion) beats anything else currently on the market. And I'd put my ICS equipped 8.9 up against any iPad in terms of user experience and I'd say it comes out on top. However, if you want a tablet that you get out of the box and use, it's not this one. The stock Samsung Android install is an abortion and unless you are happy to tweak (or have a family member who'll do it for you) it's not the device for you.
And therein lies the problem with 99% of Android devices on the market. Until vendors get over this need to differentiate their devices by adding layer after layer of bloat on top of Android, Android will continue to play second fiddle to iOS in terms of the user experience - even if that iOS user experience is rigidly controlled and prevents you from doing basic things like moving an icon a couple of spaces away from another.
I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one. Then I entered the world of other manufacturers devices. So far they all suck. HTC has the ****ty looking sense the I dare to define a great punch in the face to good design, Samsung is notoriously known for making good hardware but not giving a crap about the software, I'm not sure why this is, why they think that the software is not as important to the device. My next try will be with Asus, they seem to update their software on top of having decent hardware. This in regard of tablets for phones, i'll switch to a nexus device as soon as my HTC dies or the galaxy nexus comes to t-mobile.
I went through apple and i dont like the company. First of all i'm forced most of the time at work to use imacs to work on visual effects, i dont know where studio owners get their facts, but those machine sucks for production! They are designed for customers not professionals, they have the guts of a laptop and none of the benefits. Then i have a macbook that gave me nothing but hardware problems for 3 years, an iphone 4 that i can't use because its super locked to at&t and i used to have an ipod touch which died unexpectedly during a vacation. The only apple stuff i'm kinda happy about are my two ipods that still survive (and yet do not allow, me to officially get my music out of them).
So as you can see I'm fed up with apple and their shady hardware, they killed all the great professional stuff they had (shake, final cut pro, quicktime pro, apple servers and raids) and i don't think osx has any advantage over windows anymore either.
There are two faces to every coin, but I'm sure one day I will find a good tablet/phone/computer maker for my needs, it's just a trial and error job.
Good luck with Apple I hope you'll be more lucky than me!
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It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now.
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nice post mate. i totally agree with you and half the fun for me with android is the messing about and tweaking stuff. the only android phones i would recomend without thinking twice are the nexus series (because they are bloat free) and the s2 because its just and awesome device. but yeah if you have something more "consumerish" and don't feel like messing around with it you aren't gonna have the nices experience.
for the technologically unprepaired person an iProduct is probably better because it just works as they think it should (even though its awefully restrained and restricted)
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I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one.
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i'm still running my n1 and loving it
as for apple machines for production...i have a lot to do in the video sector and we use macpros with final cut (7 not x )
i must say they are awesome machines but also have a few downsides.
they are friggin expensive (as everything apple)
they are not the error free devices everyone thinks they are. only last month we had 2 graphics cards dying 1 hdd giving up and 2 OS corruptions. so the myth about apple products not breaking down is...a myth!
so yeah if you are prepared to tinker i would go with android all the way. if you are my mum or someone else that just wants to USE something and not get involved with it...then i guess the i is the way to go.
I showed my stock skyrocket when I first bought it, she didn't even wanted to look.
Then I installed my preferred launcher (Launcher 7) and custom roms, lots of small tricks and clean ups (hid all the extra apps like Ti Backup, Root Explorer, etc.) and let the Windows Phone 7 interface dominate with big Twitter and Facebook buttons, Big camera and email button, weather. She was sold. She played with it while I was watching tv for a good while.
If the iPhone 5 will feature yet another 3.5" display, I'll take your phone no problem, she said.
I think the Android Interface, esp. the launcher, the widget handling, etc. leaves a lot to be desired. WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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I agree in fact I'm very curious to try one WP7 device for a while and maybe start suggesting that instead of iphones.
SGSChris said:
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
its still fck alpha so whats the point here??
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I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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this is soooo true... despite to the fact how much i hate apple as company...
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
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If you like to use half finished products just not to follow the iCrowd than i am sorry for u... just that.
At this point, I think the Nexus tab deserves at least one thread, since there isn't a forum for it yet. It's important, since it will be an official Google tablet; Asus is making it, so it has distant ties to the Prime. Additionally, it'll have Jelly Bean, so we can talk about that here. Launch for both is only a couple days away.
Let's start with the latest from down under. This, from Gizmodo AU, reportedly off of a Google training document.
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/06/this-is-googles-new-nexus-tablet-the-nexus-7/
"As rumoured, Google’s going to announce a 7-inch, Nexus-branded tablet called the Nexus 7. According to the leak, it’s built by Asus, with a 1.3Ghz quad-core Tegra 3 processor, GeForce 12-core GPU and 1GB of RAM with two different storage variants: 8GB and 16GB.
The Nexus tablet will also feature NFC and run Google Wallet (probably only in the US) and Android Beam.
The screen is an IPS display with a 178-degree viewing angle, running a resolution of 1280 by 800. The device will also sport a 1.2 megapixel front-facing camera. The battery will also give you 9 hours worth of operation.
The 8GB model will set you back $US199 and the 16GB will cost $US249. No word in the document on local prices."
The specs are more beefy than I expected for a value tab--NFC, 9hr batt, 1280x800. Then again, this will have Google's Nexus name on it, so it can't be a completely low-end device. Also, what's cheap has moved down. $200 for a 7" was cheap last year; this year, it's just par. I think Acer, Asus & Co will be able to undercut this with $150-ish tabs.
We tend to equate "cheap" with "poor." What's unique about this tab is that it'll be the first to have the latest Android, it'll be unlocked, and it's just about as fast as the fastest Android tablet available. You just need to have good eye sight is all.
I was expecting bit more storage - 8/16 gigs is bit too small. Otherwise the device is nice.
Why is this so cheap as opposed to something like the asus transformer 300? I understand the transformer has a bigger screen but hardware wise, they seem fairly similar...
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KindaUndisputed said:
Why is this so cheap as opposed to something like the asus transformer 300? I understand the transformer has a bigger screen but hardware wise, they seem fairly similar...
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Storage and screen size go a long way in cutting costs.
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i will definitely be getting one. likely the 16gb version. we can expect this to be 100% unlocked and will have developers flocking to this. its low cost and powerful chipset. Also it will carry the Nexus badge.
I think this how this tablet performs will really let us know what's going on with prime and other tegra3 devices. if the I/O of this tablet is stellar, then we know its a driver/software issue. Maybe even jellybean update solves this. so if this is launching with jellybean, we can expect prime updating to jellybean also very soon. I think with this tablet going to be popular with developers, them tinkering with that tablet will ultimately help us prime owners. we already have kernel developers merging new stuff from HTC one X and updated nvidia fixings. It's crazy how much One X developement has blown up. I expect the nexus tablet to be even larger. This Nexus tablet launching will be a good thing for prime/tegra3 device owners. Can't wait.
I guess I might buy this as a present to myself for my birthday if it launches this week. ill be an early adopter of that device also. 7in. form factor means ill carry it most places with me. Accessories/cases need to come out though.
demandarin said:
I think this how this tablet performs will really let us know what's going on with prime and other tegra3 devices. if the I/O of this tablet is stellar, then we know its a driver/software issue.
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If you look in the dev section with the motley kernel, it was proven this is pretty much a software issue by replacing the MMC driver code with the recent tegra builds. His not-yet-released alpha kernel improved IO performance, with write speeds as high as 27 MB/s and read speeds greater than 50 MB/s at times.
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If you look in the dev section with the motley kernel, it was proven this is pretty much a software issue by replacing the MMC driver code with the recent tegra builds. His not-yet-released alpha kernel improved IO performance, with write speeds as high as 27 MB/s and read speeds greater than 50 MB/s at times.
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yeah, I've been checking out the latest prime developments. that's who I was referring to in my post. With that kernel, prime performance will be stellar. I wonder if new jellybean update will have alot of those same changes in it. Anxious to see nexus tablet benchmarks. just to get an idea of where its power lies at compared to other tegra3 devices.
Motley new kernel coming and Androwook new version has me very anxious to finally jump the gun and unlock. testing new Asus builds is the only thing holding me back now.
I for one don't expect much from Google Nexus 7. Actually... I only have questions for this device...
1. Nexus devices in general aren't exactly million sellers. If we look at the history of smartphone sector, Nexus sales figure fall flat compared to flagship phones from Samsung, HTC, and Motorola.
Nexus devices are geared towards "devs" or in general... "tech/android" geeks. Nexus device doesn't offer anything to casuals. Actually, Nexus devices confuse the "casuals" more than anything....
2. Due to being a Nexus device, I do believe that it'll be popular with devs & the support will be great. Again, however.... I do not believe this will entice APP devs. to actually create apps for Android tablets. The fact that it is 7 in. even makes it worse in my opinion....
When you consider the latest flagship phones nearing 5 in. (some above 5 in.).... most will just opt for their apps to scale up to 7 in.
I think 9.7 or 10in Nexus tablet would have been much more significant....
3. Really glad that Nexus 7 (if true) will be released with Jellybean. However.. Jellybean is.. again.. just Android.
Android's biggest issues is ecosystem & complete lack of content outside of Android. I would have preferred if Google actually focused on ecosystem, content, and playstore....
Or better yet, if they really wanted to jump into h/w business... I would have preferred if Google partnered with Nintendo or something to create a "gaming" console to provide more content.
Google is going after Amazon Kindle & Nook Tablets.... not iPad or even W8. Kindle Fire and Nook Tablets offer far more content within their ecosystem.... & this is the reason why it entices the casuals.
4. My biggest question....
Who the heck will market the device? Will it be Asus or will it be Google? Can make a cheap tablet all they want... but without the right marketing strategy & exposure + content ..... this will all mean nothing.
Samsung marketed their last Nexus phone through commercials & etc.... it still fell short to Galaxy devices in sales figure. If Google do take the rein in marketing this device (I personally don't think Asus has the financial muscle to do so..).... I have to wonder just how far they will push this device to "casual" public. I think Google's marketing will show just how serious & ambitious they are.....
More competition in the "value" 7-inch space. Kindle Fire 2 rumored for July 31, with a cam and physical buttons for controls. DigiTimes in its prior rumor also said 1280x800 res.
Whatever the specs, KFire2 will have to significantly outdo the Nexus 7 to compete. Not only is the Nexus an official Google device, it's also full Android vs KFire's dumbed-down OS. I don't see how KFire2 can pull it off.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33198_7-57459872-286/kindle-fire-2-may-hit-as-soon-as-july/
>8/16 gigs is bit too small
Micro-SD expansion slot should fix that. Multimedia is the main storage hog. For at home, I access my multimedia via wifi. For on the go, stuff goes onto a 32GB card.
>Why is this so cheap as opposed to something like the asus transformer 300
TF300 should hit $300 in the fall, so not too big a diff. As Smurph said, it's screen and battery size. At 9hr rated, Nexus 7 will likely have a 4Ah x 3.4V = 13.6Wh battery, which is a bit more than half the size of the usual 25Wh batt in 10" tabs.
>i will definitely be getting one.
$200 price and lack of competition from Apple/MS will make this a best seller, and will improve app support. I only hope Google can keep improving Android and maintain the momentum, because truth be told, both Honeycomb and ICS were underwhelming. Let's hope Jelly will have some sizzle, and that AOSP will drop in time for devices to get it this year.
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I for one don't expect much from Google Nexus 7. Actually... I only have questions for this device...
1. Nexus devices in general aren't exactly million sellers. If we look at the history of smartphone sector, Nexus sales figure fall flat compared to flagship phones from Samsung, HTC, and Motorola.
Nexus devices are geared towards "devs" or in general... "tech/android" geeks. Nexus device doesn't offer anything to casuals. Actually, Nexus devices confuse the "casuals" more than anything....
2. Due to being a Nexus device, I do believe that it'll be popular with devs & the support will be great. Again, however.... I do not believe this will entice APP devs. to actually create apps for Android tablets. The fact that it is 7 in. even makes it worse in my opinion....
When you consider the latest flagship phones nearing 5 in. (some above 5 in.).... most will just opt for their apps to scale up to 7 in.
I think 9.7 or 10in Nexus tablet would have been much more significant....
3. Really glad that Nexus 7 (if true) will be released with Jellybean. However.. Jellybean is.. again.. just Android.
Android's biggest issues is ecosystem & complete lack of content outside of Android. I would have preferred if Google actually focused on ecosystem, content, and playstore....
Or better yet, if they really wanted to jump into h/w business... I would have preferred if Google partnered with Nintendo or something to create a "gaming" console to provide more content.
Google is going after Amazon Kindle & Nook Tablets.... not iPad or even W8. Kindle Fire and Nook Tablets offer far more content within their ecosystem.... & this is the reason why it entices the casuals.
4. My biggest question....
Who the heck will market the device? Will it be Asus or will it be Google? Can make a cheap tablet all they want... but without the right marketing strategy & exposure + content ..... this will all mean nothing.
Samsung marketed their last Nexus phone through commercials & etc.... it still fell short to Galaxy devices in sales figure. If Google do take the rein in marketing this device (I personally don't think Asus has the financial muscle to do so..).... I have to wonder just how far they will push this device to "casual" public. I think Google's marketing will show just how serious & ambitious they are.....
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I know you're a huge Nintendo fan but Google teaming up with Nintendo? lmao I seriously was laughing on that one. I'd rather see Google n Sega team up. Maybe Google has something up their sleeve which this device is geared towards. with it having a tegra3, it will surely be one of Androids top notch gaming tablets. Add in superior multimedia capabilities and although this tablet is cheaply priced, its a powerhouse compared to most other non tegra3 android tablets. Im not looking for it to sell millions although that would be great. Google is projecting it to sell millions. I think it will, Easily. I just want it in as mAny developers hands as possible. as it could ultimately benefit other tegra3 owners with developement info being shared. for example motley using HTC one X info/developement and bringing it into prime kernels. we could always backport from these newer tegra3 devices.
it will be advertised. Once people hear Google themselves came out with a tablet, people will bite on it. especially at this price point. I expect to see commercials showing this after their announcement. From tech sites, to blogs, to t.v., to word of mouth, People will know this tablet exists. That its a 7in. powerhouse, very affordable, and where's the Google name. This is a different ballgame than with nexus phones. there is no other 7in. tablet that even comes close to what this nexus tablet will have and is capable of. although i like 10in.better,I can appreciate the 7in. in being more portable. I'd likely carry it around with me or in my car. Prime can stay in the house
Nexus tablet will be the tablet I won't hesitate to flash roms on and dive into developement scene with. I'm thinking I might even buy my father one. it would be his first tablet. he loves his evo, so I'd know he would love this tablet. this tablet and future ones coming out will be cheap enough to be stocking stutters for holiday season.
I'm most interested in jellybean releasing on prime. I have a feeling it might be sooner than later(keep your fingers crossed).
Once i get this, my Prime most likely end up inside the box it came in, inside some other bigger container locked away.
Man, I'll never buy another non-nexus device. Lesson learned.
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I know you're a huge Nintendo fan but Google teaming up with Nintendo? lmao I seriously was laughing on that one. I'd rather see Google n Sega team up. Maybe Google has something up their sleeve which this device is geared towards. with it having a tegra3, it will surely be one of Androids top notch gaming tablets. Add in superior multimedia capabilities and although this tablet is cheaply priced, its a powerhouse compared to most other non tegra3 android tablets. Im not looking for it to sell millions although that would be great. Google is projecting it to sell millions. I think it will, Easily. I just want it in as mAny developers hands as possible. as it could ultimately benefit other tegra3 owners with developement info being shared. for example motley using HTC one X info/developement and bringing it into prime kernels. we could always backport from these newer tegra3 devices.
it will be advertised. Once people hear Google themselves came out with a tablet, people will bite on it. especially at this price point. I expect to see commercials showing this after their announcement. From tech sites, to blogs, to t.v., to word of mouth, People will know this tablet exists. That its a 7in. powerhouse, very affordable, and where's the Google name. This is a different ballgame than with nexus phones. there is no other 7in. tablet that even comes close to what this nexus tablet will have and is capable of. although i like 10in.better,I can appreciate the 7in. in being more portable. I'd likely carry it around with me or in my car. Prime can stay in the house
Nexus tablet will be the tablet I won't hesitate to flash roms on and dive into developement scene with. I'm thinking I might even buy my father one. it would be his first tablet. he loves his evo, so I'd know he would love this tablet. this tablet and future ones coming out will be cheap enough to be stocking stutters for holiday season.
I'm most interested in jellybean releasing on prime. I have a feeling it might be sooner than later(keep your fingers crossed).
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You do realize Sega is completely out of h/w market & they are in really terrible shape atm right? Sega's overall content isn't strong as it used to be anymore either...
I'm not saying Nexus 7 will be terrible device (for $200... I can even forgive Tegra 3's flaws).... & I think it will have fantastic support...
But Nexus device in general...
1. Aren't very good to Casuals
2. Typically released to be the "standard" for Android devices ... and of course, expose other Android devices...
But that $200 price.. is going to force other OEMs to either just drop out of Android tablet scene or force OEMs to just create cheap tablets. The biggest question will be how Samsung will handle this situation...
Samsung is by far the biggest contributor to Android...
I seriously do not think Samsung will create a "Kai" tablet & considering their disappointment in Android tablet sales in general.... they can just focus on smartphone sector (like LG & HTC have already decided to do).
So, will Google configure this thing so it uses the screen like the Galaxy Tab 2 7" and Excite 7.7, or like the Galaxy Tab 7.7? I wrote a blog post about this (http://www.thetechchat.com/2012/06/20/android-tablets-size-matters-10-1-vs-7/), but in a nutshell the Galaxy Tab 7.7 runs at an apparent resolution more like the 10.1" tablets, while the other two run with a lower apparent resolution. They show less on the screen, some apps run in a kind of mixed phone/tablet mode (like the stock email app), and some tablet apps don't seem to want to install (maybe they're confused about what the device actually is).
Since the Excite 7.7 and Galaxy Tab 7.7 have pretty much identical screens (7.7" AMOLED) running at 1280X800 (so, 196PPI), clearly they can be tweaked one way or the other. Personally, I prefer more stuff showing even if it's smaller, but perhaps screen elements will be marginally sharper the other way around (more pixels used to show an individual element).
It might seem like a small thing, but in practice it's made a pretty big difference.
shinzz said:
I for one don't expect much from Google Nexus 7. Actually... I only have questions for this device...
1. Nexus devices in general aren't exactly million sellers. If we look at the history of smartphone sector, Nexus sales figure fall flat compared to flagship phones from Samsung, HTC, and Motorola.
Nexus devices are geared towards "devs" or in general... "tech/android" geeks. Nexus device doesn't offer anything to casuals. Actually, Nexus devices confuse the "casuals" more than anything....
2. Due to being a Nexus device, I do believe that it'll be popular with devs & the support will be great. Again, however.... I do not believe this will entice APP devs. to actually create apps for Android tablets. The fact that it is 7 in. even makes it worse in my opinion....
When you consider the latest flagship phones nearing 5 in. (some above 5 in.).... most will just opt for their apps to scale up to 7 in.
I think 9.7 or 10in Nexus tablet would have been much more significant....
3. Really glad that Nexus 7 (if true) will be released with Jellybean. However.. Jellybean is.. again.. just Android.
Android's biggest issues is ecosystem & complete lack of content outside of Android. I would have preferred if Google actually focused on ecosystem, content, and playstore....
Or better yet, if they really wanted to jump into h/w business... I would have preferred if Google partnered with Nintendo or something to create a "gaming" console to provide more content.
Google is going after Amazon Kindle & Nook Tablets.... not iPad or even W8. Kindle Fire and Nook Tablets offer far more content within their ecosystem.... & this is the reason why it entices the casuals.
4. My biggest question....
Who the heck will market the device? Will it be Asus or will it be Google? Can make a cheap tablet all they want... but without the right marketing strategy & exposure + content ..... this will all mean nothing.
Samsung marketed their last Nexus phone through commercials & etc.... it still fell short to Galaxy devices in sales figure. If Google do take the rein in marketing this device (I personally don't think Asus has the financial muscle to do so..).... I have to wonder just how far they will push this device to "casual" public. I think Google's marketing will show just how serious & ambitious they are.....
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I personally swear by the nexus phones. They werent big sellers in the states because they were not sold everywhere and hard to buy compared to an iphone/galaxy s/droid phones. The GSM i9250 galaxy nexus is an amazing phone but it is not in stores so most common people have no idea it exists. They come with all the latest features (NFC, beam, 720p res etc) and simply run the smoothest. Dont have to deal with rooting and installing roms to get the best performance and no bloatware that comes preinstalled. The stock ICS UI is beautiful as is on the primes while the touchwize/blur/etc make android look like a me too iOS product.
nvflash coming soon?
does someone tought that maybe this tab will bring with it more support from nvidia..? something like nvflash?? i guess that developers will not be happy if this tab will be half-locked like the prime.. so.. if the history is not liar..and like all the other nexus, this tab will become the next developing point, we are going to see something that MUST CHANGE IN THE NVIDIA POLITICS..
Hope that my english is enought to let you understand what i mean...
In related news of new shiny Android toys, here's preview of upcoming Firefox for Android:
>Nexus devices in general aren't exactly million sellers
Nexus devices never had a $199 price tag.
>I do not believe this will entice APP devs to actually create apps for Android tablets.
Devs go where the market is. If Nexus 7 can be a top seller at $200, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be, then apps will be there. There'll be a lag. I give it 6 months.
How (well) devs can monetize the platform is another major issue. But having a sufficiently large userbase is a prerequisite.
Likewise, vendors go where the demand is. If Google can show there's a market at the $200 level, which is a no-brainer, then there will come more lower-priced offerings. Value 7" will be accompanied by value 10" devices. Ideally, it'll be a snowball effect: low price begat demand begat more software and hardware.
>I think 9.7 or 10in Nexus tablet would have been much more significant....
I fully believe this will happen. It may not be a Nexus--in fact, it shouldn't be a Nexus. Google's aim should be, in the words of Ballmer, to "prime the pump," not to dominate sales in every bracket. Nexus 7 will likely dominate sales, but because it has to. No one else (other than Amazon) has managed decent sales with Android tabs.
>Android's biggest issues is ecosystem & complete lack of content outside of Android.
Per above, content is predicated on sales. Google Play still sucks, although improvements are reportedly forthcoming from I/O.
>But Nexus device in general... 1. Aren't very good to Casuals
This is a valid use-case question: How do we use a tablet? Should it be more kiosk-like with ready-to-eat content aka Kindle Fire, or be more of an app-launcher like iPad, or be a device where you can get more involved with "computer stuff" like file management/transfer/etc?
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Use-case 1 - Kiosk: Kindle Fire, Nook Tablet.
Use-case 2 - App launcher: iPad, Android.
Use-case 3 - PC-like: Win8 & WinRT.
(These are somewhat oversimplified. KFire can also launch app, web browse, etc, but its main function is to sell Amazon wares. Likewise, Android can do more "PC stuff," but most common use is to launch apps.)
iPad has established app launching as a credible use on tablets. Use of tabs as kiosk for online services is more tentative (sales of KFire has reportedly declined in Q1). I don't believe it has legs, since it's inherently more limiting than an "open" device. As expansive as Amazon wares are, you're still essentially limited to a single vendor's offerings.
As for the last use-case, that tabs can and will serve as the next PC, we'll find out once Win8 launches this fall. This is my vision, and I'm fully onboard with it. It may be with Windows, or Android, or Linux of some sort, but it will happen. Why? Because I see the tablet as simply more mobile laptops.
>So, will Google configure this thing so it uses the screen like the Galaxy Tab 2 7" and Excite 7.7, or like the Galaxy Tab 7.7?
However the Nexus screen density is configured, devs will adapt to it so that their apps will look optimal. It's a reference device.
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However the Nexus screen density is configured, devs will adapt to it so that their apps will look optimal. It's a reference device.
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There's also the issue of, e.g., how many widgets fit on a home screen, how much usable space there is when the keyboard is displayed, etc. That's significantly less on the Excite 7.7 vs. the Galaxy Tab 7.7.
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>There's also the issue of, e.g., how many widgets fit on a home screen
Yes, I don't mean to say that 7" is best for everything, because it clearly isn't. I believe that 10" form will be more popular for its larger area and thus more versatile use. I view the 7" as more of a complementary/auxiliary unit, and an on-the-go device.
The issue you raise--how large should screen elements be--is another matter I've touched on elsewhere, viz. it's an inherent limitation of the direct-touch paradigm used in current touch-OS'es, due to size of one's fingers. If we can move that to an indirect-touch model, say, by working with controls on a keyboard cover aka "input panel", then such limitation would be obviated. There are pros and cons to this.
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>There's also the issue of, e.g., how many widgets fit on a home screen
Yes, I don't mean to say that 7" is best for everything, because it clearly isn't. I believe that 10" form will be more popular for its larger area and thus more versatile use. I view the 7" as more of a complementary/auxiliary unit, and an on-the-go device.
The issue you raise--how large should screen elements be--is another matter I've touched on elsewhere, viz. it's an inherent limitation of the direct-touch paradigm used in current touch-OS'es, due to size of one's fingers. If we can move that to an indirect-touch model, say, by working with controls on a keyboard cover aka "input panel", then such limitation would be obviated. There are pros and cons to this.
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I think you're missing my point. The Excite and Galaxy Tab 7.7 are the same physical size but different apparent resolutions. Both are usable, and so I'm guessing would be a 7". So, it's possible to configure a smaller tablet differently.
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>The Excite and Galaxy Tab 7.7 are the same physical size but different apparent resolutions. Both are usable, and so I'm guessing would be a 7". So, it's possible to configure a smaller tablet differently.
Please refer to my first response, which is that it doesn't matter wrt the Nexus 7. It's a reference device, and ISVs will tailor their apps to fit that, not some other 7" that may be configured differently. However screen elements look like on the Nexus will be the standard on the 7" form.
Having said this, then it may be a good idea for Google to introduce a Nexus 10 as well.