I have been hacking my Nook with Cyanogenmod for a couple months now. I have tried running Froyo and CM7 on an SD card but I prefer to just have it flashed to the EMMC. However, it always seems that my nook runs choppy, laggy and slow. This when I overclock it as well. Am I doing something wrong to install it?
All I simply do is flash the newest Clockwork, boot into it, wipe System, data and cache, then install CM7. Once I get booted it seems like there is considerable lag in opening the App drawer, scrolling in just about anything.
I was watching some youtube videos of people showing there CM7 Nooks and mine doesn't even seem close to as quick... All EMMC installs should be the same right?
Thanks for the help!
I have noticed this as well.. I wonder what is it they do to get such snappy responses? Are you running 1300 mhz overclock? I also wonder if they have a different lag fix of some sort.
My understanding is that the eMMC is basically a soldered in microSD and it stands to reason that if you're using a better/faster external SD card, it should appear to be faster in most respects.
Kadin said:
My understanding is that the eMMC is basically a soldered in microSD and it stands to reason that if you're using a better/faster external SD card, it should appear to be faster in most respects.
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But I guess I am looking at videos like this one where they are running the OS from the eMMC and it is running like butter:
Sorry can't post link: but the name of the video is "B&N Nook Color Running Rooted Android Froyo 2.2 @ 1.1Ghz"
Mine does not go this quick at all...
arkiledotcom said:
I have noticed this as well.. I wonder what is it they do to get such snappy responses? Are you running 1300 mhz overclock? I also wonder if they have a different lag fix of some sort.
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I have not done 1300mhz, but I cant image that would fix the problem.
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But I guess I am looking at videos like this one where they are running the OS from the eMMC and it is running like butter:
Sorry can't post link: but the name of the video is "B&N Nook Color Running Rooted Android Froyo 2.2 @ 1.1Ghz"
Mine does not go this quick at all...
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Yeah I have to admit, that definitely appears to be very smooth. When I'm scrolling through my various apps, it's nowhere near that. Then again I'm running CM7 off a 2gb SD card. Up until now, I've been under the impression that the performance was very similar between eMMC and external installs. Now I'm not so sure...
I had the same problem but I was installing wrong. I took wiping as just wipe data factory reset. When I reflashed I went to mount and formatted everything except boot it worked flawlesssly
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lilgrass71 said:
I had the same problem but I was installing wrong. I took wiping as just wipe data factory reset. When I reflashed I went to mount and formatted everything except boot it worked flawlesssly
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I always do that too. In fact I usually wipe everything, then reboot back into CWM and then wipe everything again, then install. Seems like overkill I know, but I am at my wits end here...
damn me seeing those videos. I was happy and now I am going to have to figure out how to get my nook running that smooth.
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My understanding is that the eMMC is basically a soldered in microSD and it stands to reason that if you're using a better/faster external SD card, it should appear to be faster in most respects.
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Ug.. not really. The eMMC is basically an SSD memory chip; no hack jobs about this.
Well I have loaded Nookie Comb and it seems to be the quickest ROM that I have had on my Nook yet. I still think that it could be faster than what I am seeing but I am happier now.
Still can't get over the fact that people say that Cyanogen is smooth and awesome on the Nook and I haven't seen that to be the case at all. Either I am doing it wrong or I am just incredibly picky or something!
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Kadin said:
My understanding is that the eMMC is basically a soldered in microSD and it stands to reason that if you're using a better/faster external SD card, it should appear to be faster in most respects.
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Ug.. not really. The eMMC is basically an SSD memory chip; no hack jobs about this.
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Actually, Kadin is essentially correct. Embedded MMC (eMMC) is not a raw flash memory chip. It's is a flash chip with built-in controller that interfaces to its host using the standard MMC Plus interface. Replace "MMC Plus interface" with the very similar "SD interface," package it a little differently, and you have an SD card.
That said, an eMMC device very well could have controller and/or organization optimizations that make it better at hosting an operating system than most SD cards.
The EMMC is very slow unfortunately. I've seen a write speed of only 2mb/s. That's worse than most SD cards. Class 2 level.
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The EMMC is very slow unfortunately. I've seen a write speed of only 2mb/s. That's worse than most SD cards. Class 2 level.
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Would I be better running everything off a SD card?
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I've verified that my swapfile is in use. It is set to 32mb right now. I'm using the stock card. When I use alot of apps I'm still seeing the htc screen sometimes. I just ordered a ultimate class 6 133x 20mb/s card. Will this help the problem? And what are your thoughts on pushing it to slightly higher than 32mb? Even with a blazing fast sd card??
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I've verified that my swapfile is in use. It is set to 32mb right now. I'm using the stock card. When I use alot of apps I'm still seeing the htc screen sometimes. I just ordered a ultimate class 6 133x 20mb/s card. Will this help the problem? And what are your thoughts on pushing it to slightly higher than 32mb? Even with a blazing fast sd card??
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Yes, your stock SD card will be a bottleneck in using swapper and Apps2SD for that matter. But, you really should partition it w/ 3 partitions (FAT32, ext2/3, linux-swap, in that order). The linux-swap partition works worlds better than the swapper. 32MB is optimal, any higher will not speed it up, more likely it will make it slower. Set up those 3 partitions, and flash the new JACHero2.7.3 and you'll amazed at the difference. There's a new swap-type thing going on w/ compcache, but that hasn't been incorporated into the builds yet, so just stick with linux-swap for now.
If you wanna know how to set up the 3 partitions, follow the instructions from the JACHero2.7.3 thread in the development thread. Good luck
You sure its compatible with the g1? 20mb/s? Wow. You won't have anything to worry about if its that fast....Never heard of a micro sdhc card that quick lol. Mind shooting a link on your OP? Thanks
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You sure its compatible with the g1? 20mb/s? Wow. You won't have anything to worry about if its that fast....Never heard of a micro sdhc card that quick lol. Mind shooting a link on your OP? Thanks
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Killer SD card on its way to my house omg i can't wait!!
getting read to just swich to one of the hero roms at this point but figured before i do i'll see if any of these can be fixed.
This all started right shortly after the 1.51 update
First of all, I've wipped the phone and reinstalled twice now and left the battery out and did formats and tried new SD cards and all that and these are the problems i'm having.
-Camera will not save once finished. It takes the picture but it never saves to the SD card.
-Screen randomly changes orientation by itself when the phone is not moving at all. on a table
-Lots of random crashes
-and the worst. Certain apps will only download 50% of the file size when i download them making them never work, If this happens it's impossible to ever download it. Even after wiping and reloading the phone the same thing happened again. It also happens in updates as well. Killed mybackup pro and i had to go download it off rapidshare because i needed to make backups and the market download would never download properly.
So basically, is there any way to fix all these problems or am i better off just going through everything and flashing to a new rom now.
very strange, never had problems on JF1.5 or 1.51. Have you tried flashing JF1.5? If that's still causing problems I'd try Cyanogens build. Sorry I can't help much, but you've already tried everything I would have suggested
yeah i've posted on a few forums and did everything there. then figured i might as well post here as a last resort.
I did try going back to 1.5 and things worked fine, then went to 1.51 again and everything happened again. I'd like to be running the latest release of any custom rom, and hero looks awesome so i'm thinking that if i can't fix this i'll just go through everything to upgrade to hero
There are no major changes from my JFv1.50 release, except a few new kernel modules.
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Hardly anything to update for, but whatever, have fun with hero Don't flash the SPL without the Radio (seems obvious but loads of people are spamming looking for a nonexistent solution to unbrick :< )
yeah i guess. Just me being myself wanting the lastest things. And don't worry i won't do that. been reading all about it for the last few days after i decided to give up on jfs 1.51
thanks!
neok44 said:
yeah i guess. Just me being myself wanting the lastest things. And don't worry i won't do that. been reading all about it for the last few days after i decided to give up on jfs 1.51
thanks!
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The Hero build certainly looks nice, but it might take you a while to get used to the slight slowness compared to the non-Rosie builds. Still... very pretty, keeps me mesmerized while I wait for my stuff to load... j/k
I've been using aHome for 5 months, i'm used to lag. lol.
nothing prepares you for Hero lag!!! just kidding, with linux-swap or compcache, its pretty snappy, but not comparable to non-hero builds.
well i'll find out soon enough. If it ends up being really bad then i may just go to some other ROM but i'm really hoping to have hero run good. Unfortountly i just have a normal Micro SD 2GB which has no class distinction so hopefully it'll be alright. If not i may have to go get another 8GB.
When i tried to format the last 8GB to get apps2sd working one program destroyed the card. shows up as 8MB now instead of GB. lol.
use cyns rom. most fastes freshes bestes cupcake ever. even tastes better. and his recovery also.
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well i'll find out soon enough. If it ends up being really bad then i may just go to some other ROM but i'm really hoping to have hero run good. Unfortountly i just have a normal Micro SD 2GB which has no class distinction so hopefully it'll be alright. If not i may have to go get another 8GB.
When i tried to format the last 8GB to get apps2sd working one program destroyed the card. shows up as 8MB now instead of GB. lol.
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there is a way to fix that on linux mentioned somewhere here on the forums...
it involves just writing 0's through the card
B-man007 said:
there is a way to fix that on linux mentioned somewhere here on the forums...
it involves just writing 0's through the card
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yeah, unfortountly i have no machine with Linux and i have no spare room on my PC right now to do another partition. I'm using up like 750GB of about 850 total lol.
RE- massive ammount of problems on JFS 1.51
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yeah, unfortountly i have no machine with Linux and i have no spare room on my PC right now to do another partition. I'm using up like 750GB of about 850 total lol.
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You can run linix right from cd-rom.
UBUNTU
I too noticed alot of lagging in jf1.51 after moving all apps to sd so I took off Ahome and openhome and it runs alot better. I also need to get a class 6 sd card which will help speed things up. currious...does anyone know if there are limitations on the size of the sd card for G1? I looked on HTC's site and T-mobile's as well it just says micro sd 2.0.
didn't know that. guess i'm gonna have to grab that and try to fix my 8GB
and i thought that the G1 was capped at 8GB but i've seen people say they have 16GB cards so i guess you can go up to 16gb. which i think is the largest they make in micro sd
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didn't know that. guess i'm gonna have to grab that and try to fix my 8GB
and i thought that the G1 was capped at 8GB but i've seen people say they have 16GB cards so i guess you can go up to 16gb. which i think is the largest they make in micro sd
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Seen people with 32gb lol
damn why the hell would you even need 32GB thats just crazy.
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damn why the hell would you even need 32GB thats just crazy.
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Lol the more space you have the more you will fill it. its like buying a 160gb ipod.... ur never gonna use all of it
[Q] Which lag fix uses the EXTERNAL SD card?
with so many choices for lag fixes
i kinda lost track which project was the one that was doing the symlink and copying data to the EXTERNAL SD card.
External SD cards can easily be replaced if dead
Internal SD card is a pain in the back when it dies
at the same time this is a perfect scenario for SD cards performance test for Class 2, Class 4, Class 6+ speed tests
Class 8 and Class 10 are not widely available yet for microSD format.
if some one remember the Dev topic please link it
thanks
no body is using this lag fix?
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no body is using this lag fix?
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Can't seem to recall which one that is but here's a bump for ya.
Must have been a while ago huh....
why is this stickied lol
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why is this stickied lol
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not anymore, seems like no one cares that the lag fixes writes to the internal SD instead of the external SD
I remember using it before. it's called mimocan or something. went through a lot of trouble to format my card into ext4.
There was something on modacco about it I recall... maybe Paul did it
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There was something on modacco about it I recall... maybe Paul did it
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yeah that! paul madacco!
I can't recall the name either but in the last 2 months we've moved on from external fixes as it was annoying to create the external partition, Also speed wise it wasn't a good fix.
There is the old mimocan lag fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251
and also this new attempt using JFS FS on the external card:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=812836
Modaco lag-fix was using the oneNAND fast memory. But it is internal and also is "limited" in size. ~130MB available only.
thanks i am using the internal modacco fix i guess. no problems with it.. but again limited in size although i have about 100 apps installed and still have 78 meg free. so probably could go over 200 as long as you dont have huge apps like certain games..
it seems like it is a lot less hard on the internal sd.. and maybe that is why it makes more sense to use this or one that does use the external sd for the i9000m specificially which is touchy with the internal sd card.
that's exactly my goal
since it's a known issue, it'll be better off playing with External SD, as they can be easily replaced if dead
you can also keep upgrading to newer faster models of SD cards
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thanks i am using the internal modacco fix i guess. no problems with it.. but again limited in size although i have about 100 apps installed and still have 78 meg free. so probably could go over 200 as long as you dont have huge apps like certain games..
it seems like it is a lot less hard on the internal sd.. and maybe that is why it makes more sense to use this or one that does use the external sd for the i9000m specificially which is touchy with the internal sd card.
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After smashing my netbook I am finally getting a nook. I have 2 in mind but I have a quick question that I can't seem to get an answer to, which is better?
Nook Color Dual Boot Android on SD card
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Nook Color Rooted Android Gingerbread?
Can you guys give me the pros and cons for each? Am I really missing anything by not having the ability to use the nook UI?
Thanks in advance,
chrizfitz
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Can you guys give me the pros and cons for each? Am I really missing anything by not having the ability to use the nook UI?
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Not unless you want to use it really as an e-reader.
I prefer CM7, but it is really up to you and want you want. You can always load up CM7 on an external card and try it, then decide if you want rooted stock or CM7.
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Not unless you want to use it really as an e-reader.
I prefer CM7, but it is really up to you and want you want. You can always load up CM7 on an external card and try it, then decide if you want rooted stock or CM7.
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First thanks for replying, I think I would like to use it as an e-reader but isn't there apps that do that anyway? Is the nook e-reader UI that good?
I am worried about warranty etc.
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First thanks for replying, I think I would like to use it as an e-reader but isn't there apps that do that anyway? Is the nook e-reader UI that good?
I am worried about warranty etc.
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Yeah there are tons of apps for reading but for some reason people like the stock UI. I personally do not. Also you don't have to worry about warranty as the nook is unbrickable and if you have a problem you can just flash back to stock.
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I think I would like to use it as an e-reader but isn't there apps that do that anyway? Is the nook e-reader UI that good?
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Yeah, I have CM7 on the SD card, so I could switch back to the stock reader if I really wanted to. But I haven't yet. The nook app is reasonably well done - I have a few issues with browsing the BN storefront from the app, so I prefer to do that online, add to wishlist and then buy from the app. Also you can't do the read-in-store from the android app. Still, like I said, I haven't booted back into the stock ROM yet, CM7's so enjoyable.
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Yeah there are tons of apps for reading but for some reason people like the stock UI. I personally do not. Also you don't have to worry about warranty as the nook is unbrickable and if you have a problem you can just flash back to stock.
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Yeah, I have CM7 on the SD card, so I could switch back to the stock reader if I really wanted to. But I haven't yet. The nook app is reasonably well done - I have a few issues with browsing the BN storefront from the app, so I prefer to do that online, add to wishlist and then buy from the app. Also you can't do the read-in-store from the android app. Still, like I said, I haven't booted back into the stock ROM yet, CM7's so enjoyable.
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Ok, I think I might go for the sd approch at the start and go from there. One more question. Can I place anything on the internal space that will in turn be seen on whatever version of android I'm running on the sd? eg:videos/music?
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Ok, I think I might go for the sd approch at the start and go from there. One more question. Can I place anything on the internal space that will in turn be seen on whatever version of android I'm running on the sd? eg:videos/music?
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Thank you, ordered. Now to play the waiting game
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Ok, I think I might go for the sd approch at the start and go from there. One more question. Can I place anything on the internal space that will in turn be seen on whatever version of android I'm running on the sd? eg:videos/music?
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One more thing to consider.....
If you are going to use the stock reader often and do not set up a dual boot system you are left with removing the card every time you want to use the stock system. In time, that may likely result in damage to the card reader. I have CM7 on the eMMC and a card for storage and have not touched the card in 2 months. It just stays in the reader.
The Nook app will not allow you to play "enhanced" children's books from my understanding. Only the stock reader will.
Hey guys. I'm pretty new at this rooting on NC. But I got everything to work on my Nook for such as like having CM7.1 On my SD card and stuff like that. I have the default kernel on there running on 1.1 Ghz, but it seems like everything keeps crashing. I can't do anything without it screwing up on me. I have most updated stuff but nothing seems to work. I have a 16Gb C10 working so I believe is that but I just don't know...
...Anyone please have any advice or suggestion on like CPU settings or anything?
Thanks!
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Hey guys. I'm pretty new at this rooting on NC. But I got everything to work on my Nook for such as like having CM7.1 On my SD card and stuff like that. I have the default kernel on there running on 1.1 Ghz, but it seems like everything keeps crashing. I can't do anything without it screwing up on me. I have most updated stuff but nothing seems to work. I have a 16Gb C10 working so I believe is that but I just don't know...
...Anyone please have any advice or suggestion on like CPU settings or anything?
Thanks!
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If that 16 GB class 10 is the card you're using... it is most likely your culprit. Sandisk class 2 or 4 are by far the best cards for running android os' from.
The reason is that class 10 cards have much higher sustained thru-put... but the android os' (especially) utilize much more small read/write cycles.. which is where the class 2 and 4's exceed the performance of class 10 cards.
So what should I do afterwards? Once I buy a class 4 should I just reflash on the SD with CM7 and start over? Or should I back up from this one and flash it on the card?
I appreciate the help
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Always, recommending doing a fresh installation.
It won't take long.
So I leave the Nook as is? Just flash the new image?
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So I leave the Nook as is? Just flash the new image?
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Yes. The install and run on SD method does not touch your standard Nook install.
Just repeat the install method on your new card. If you had put a lot of apps on and organised your desktop screens then you could back those up (Titanium for the apps and ADW settings back up for the desktop), save the folders away first then restore once you had the new card working.
One of the benefits of the emmc installation method is that it makes updates, backups and restores a bit easier as the SD card is just user memory.