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Title says it. Contemplating purchasing this phone because I want a sick Android device but its plagued with bad 3g reception stories. Is it that big of a deal? Does anyone regret buying the device over it? Is it a design flaw as i have read or software?
mrbox23 said:
... Is it that big of a deal?
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No
mrbox23 said:
Does anyone regret buying the device over it?
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I don't
mrbox23 said:
Is it a design flaw as i have read or software?
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It is neither. It is the wireless networks you guys have here in the US that sucks... (At least in El Paso, TX)
I'm tired of people blaming the wireless network, because that's just plain wrong in most cases.
I am a big N1 fan but I will be the first to admit that there's a 3G problem. But here is what I've observed:
- The problem is less evident on the AT&T model, as 3G runs on the same frequencies as 2G, and in general AT&T uses 850/1900, which are lower frequencies (better penetration) than T-Mobile.
- If you're in a very strong 3G area (like on the streets of NYC), you aren't likely to have any problems no matter how you hold the device.
- If you're in somewhat of a sketchy 3G area, and use the T-Mobile version of the phone, it's very possible you're going to drop to edge, if you cover the bottom portion of the phone with your hand. If you have the AT&T version in a sketchy area (low signal overall), it's possible you'll kill your signal entirely if you hold the phone a certain way...but I would say this is very rare.
There's probably a combination of a software and hardware issue causing the 3G issue. With future updates to the radio firmware, I'm sure there will be some improvements, but I don't know if it's going to be as good as some of the other phones available (especially in the case of T-Mobile, where the G1 tends to be fair a lot better 3G wise).
Having said all this - do I regret purchasing an N1? Definitely not - everything else about the phone makes up for the 3G issues, and I still have hope for future improvements.
Reception isn't "deal breaker" bad, and you'll notice there are much less complaints from AT&T users about it. If you are normally in areas with good coverage everything will will be great, but fringe areas might be frustrating. Weak signals are the phones kryptonite.
My question to anyone on the fence is usually, "name a better GSM phone" and then when they say "iPhone" I call them a fanboi. There's nothing worse than being an Apple fanboi.
its not a deal breaker at all. I still hold by my theory that the signal bars are just calibrated less conservatively than other phones, cause I've made and held calls for 15 min with zero bars of 3g showing. even my nokias had trouble doing that.
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PrawnPoBoy said:
Reception isn't "deal breaker" bad, and you'll notice there are much less complaints from AT&T users about it. If you are normally in areas with good coverage everything will will be great, but fringe areas might be frustrating. Weak signals are the phones kryptonite.
My question to anyone on the fence is usually, "name a better GSM phone" and then when they say "iPhone" I call them a fanboi. There's nothing worse than being an Apple fanboi.
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Just cause they say the iPhone, doesn't make them an Apple fanboy.. people can have legitimate reason why they like the iPhone more than the Nexus...
There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Just cause they say the iPhone, doesn't make them an Apple fanboy.. people can have legitimate reason why they like the iPhone more than the Nexus...
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Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
PrawnPoBoy said:
There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
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see i have always had the same problem with my other phones in low signal areas, they would ALWAYS drop the call if i moved my hand over it. but they all had antenna in the bottom, like the nexus. i think if your previous phone had the antenna in the top, then you never would have experienced this before.
my nokia n95 was the last phone i had with a top antenna, it was internal at the top near the camera, and that thing was superb with RF.
but then i got the e71 and the bottom antenna dropped calls when i covered it. no service, all the time. i trained myself to hold at the top ever since.
so the nexus doesnt seem abnormal to me. i just thought it was common knowledge though...
PrawnPoBoy said:
There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
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I also hope you were joking about the fanboi thing, as the nearest I've come to owning and iPhone was using family members ones for a few hours. My previous phone was a G1, and your misconceptions of me (if your words were not taken out if context) for stating something that is quite true is quite sad.
As stated before, people can have legitimate reasons as to why they favor the iPhone more than the Nexus. If I was sucked in to the iPhone when it was released, I would probably also be an iSheep - luckily I was only 12 at the iPhone's release. Phone technology wasn't really all that interesting yet.. I didn't care about touch screens etc. Now though, I still don't care about the phone much - but it was definitely brought unneeded hate in the internet towards those who adore it.
I love my Nexus One. No 3G issues on ATT, this actually has much better reception than my HTC Tilt2 with the best custom radio rom for my area. Flashing the radio of your Nexus will help a ton if you experience any of these issues so if you plan on flashing your phone don't worry about it. I love my Nexus and I spend much less time screwing with how the phone works and a lot more time using it.
about nexous one
I have never had any 3g problems ever and i bought this phone right when it came out
i love it get it you will to
This is really simple.
1. Buy the phone. If you have bad reception,
2. Flash to the newest radio. If you still have bad reception,
3. Return the phone.
You most likely won't get to step 3.
The phone legitimately does not get great reception.
I lined up, side by side, my BB Bold 9000, my Motorola Milestone, and me Nexus One, all just sitting on the desk, all with Orange (France) 3G SIMs.
The Bold and the Milestone get about the same signal. The Nexus gets consistently -4 to -10 dBm worse signal in any given placement. Wrapping your hand loosely around the phone will cut the signal by from -6 to -10 dBm on the Nexus, and by around -2 to -6 on the other two.
HOWEVER, the statistics don't really matter - I still get good enough signal at my desk on all three of them to download applications, use GTalk/SMS/telephone/browser all day, etc. Yes, a speed test shows generally better speeds on the Milestone, but it is more than good enough on both Android phones.
AND the Nexus is much faster in day-to-day operation. It scrolls faster, loads faster, runs faster, etc. It is almost sure to get updates from Google faster, and the dev community really does rock.
If I was in the US, I would have to consider some of the other phones out there, simply because the other networks are better than GSM networks, but here in France, the Nexus is fine and dandy.
If I were you, I would consider the network as well as the product, because it makes such a huge difference in the US. But once past that point, if you decide Nexus: buy it, test it, if you don't like it, sell it or return it. Easy.
I carried around my iPhone 3G with me the last few days and any time I had bad or no reception with my N1 I would swap the sim card and try the iPhone and without fail the iPhone would alway have more than enough signal strength.
The phone's reception is simply not as good as other phones, but it not enough for me to want to return it. I just hope that HTC learns from this like they did with the recent change to the atmel touchscreen instead of the clearpad component. I'm sure they will.
I've never had a problem with dropping 3G signal exactly, just the occasional instance where it'll get stuck on "uploading." Not sure if that's a T-Mobile issue or a phone issue. Either way, it happens only rarely and lasts no more than 10 seconds or so each time, so not a dealbreaker.
Other than that, the phone is fantastic. Incredibly fast and customizable. People complain that Android isn't user-friendly, but I honestly find everything quite intuitive (with the exception of a few badly designed 3rd-party apps).
I get the same (even better in a few places) 3G reception on my Nexus then I did with my iPhone 3GS
The OP needs to take note of all the people complaining about reception issues have also NOT mentioned whether or not they have updated the radio.
Everybody sitting with the stock radio from the models released in January/early-February are going to have a lot more complaints than someone who has either updated their radio or bought a newer model that has the updated radio preinstalled.
i still say its just a conservatively calibrated signal meter! seems to match my other phones just fine even if the actual bars are showing zero bars, its still making the call and receiving the data. me thinks its just a software calibration difference...
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I'm tired of people blaming the wireless network, because that's just plain wrong in most cases.
I am a big N1 fan but I will be the first to admit that there's a 3G problem. But here is what I've observed:
- The problem is less evident on the AT&T model, as 3G runs on the same frequencies as 2G, and in general AT&T uses 850/1900, which are lower frequencies (better penetration) than T-Mobile.
- If you're in a very strong 3G area (like on the streets of NYC), you aren't likely to have any problems no matter how you hold the device.
- If you're in somewhat of a sketchy 3G area, and use the T-Mobile version of the phone, it's very possible you're going to drop to edge, if you cover the bottom portion of the phone with your hand. If you have the AT&T version in a sketchy area (low signal overall), it's possible you'll kill your signal entirely if you hold the phone a certain way...but I would say this is very rare.
There's probably a combination of a software and hardware issue causing the 3G issue. With future updates to the radio firmware, I'm sure there will be some improvements, but I don't know if it's going to be as good as some of the other phones available (especially in the case of T-Mobile, where the G1 tends to be fair a lot better 3G wise).
Having said all this - do I regret purchasing an N1? Definitely not - everything else about the phone makes up for the 3G issues, and I still have hope for future improvements.
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Bro, you're entire post actually supports the claim that the carriers need to build out their networks more in this country! Obviously if the phone works great in an area like NYC or Chicago, but not so great in "sketchy" places like where I live (Toledo, OH), then IT'S THE NETWORK!
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I carried around my iPhone 3G with me the last few days and any time I had bad or no reception with my N1 I would swap the sim card and try the iPhone and without fail the iPhone would alway have more than enough signal strength.
The phone's reception is simply not as good as other phones, but it not enough for me to want to return it. I just hope that HTC learns from this like they did with the recent change to the atmel touchscreen instead of the clearpad component. I'm sure they will.
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Well, I have had the exact opposite experience. I always have a better signal with my N1 than my wife does with her iphone in the same places.
My wife and I used to have identical Nokia handsets, and her signal was always significantly better than mine. Minute manufacturing variations in low power RF devices can make huge differences, and such manufacturing variations are a normal part of any manufacturing process, including cell phones.
Comparing one phone to another and declaring a problem exists with an entire line of phones is just silly.
Basically, there is no real evidence of a unilateral "Nexus One" 3G problem, even if some handsets have less than expected performance.
So if you want a Nexus One, get it, and chances are that if you are happy with your network, you will be happy with your Nexus One.
Hey guys
I ordered two At&t compatible nexus's about a month ago and they finally got here on friday (had to wait till a friend visited from the states).
Both of them are still dead stock and I plan on waiting for the official froyo (or until the "newness" wears off and I feel more inclined to root and such).
My question is regarding wifi signal. I did a search and noticed a couple of guys had the same problem but no solution. Wifi reception is really weak! On both phones it's virtually the same.
I know the stock driver that came with it is outdated, and doesn't even support wireless-n. My wrt54g linksys is 802.11g based, running on dd-wrt firmware and it shows the phones with very weak signals and they won't even connect in areas where i usually get 3 bars or so with laptops.
So my question is, is there something I can do to improve it? Also, have any of you running Froyo noticed a signal reception improvement on G only networks?
Really wish this were better as I'm not on a data plan and my room is far away from the router.
I am beginning to lose my cool when it comes to reception and my Captivate.
At work I used to watch a lot of youtube on my Tilt2 and altough it some times went on a wont connect spree....most of the times youtube was a no problem.
Unfortunately the Captivate is like almost never connects or just a little bit and once again loses it.
Is this about the whole hspa thing?
Even at home when reception is better for both, South Park is a lagfest with the Captivate if I use 3G unlike the Tilt2 but then again that could also be Skyfire....in any case...is this normal?
I guess you have never used and iPhone???
I had an iPhone 3GS and it was a POS when it came to reception.
I'm sooooooo happy I'm finally able to have an android phone on AT&T.
It takes some getting use to compared to the iPhone. Just basic navigating through the phone is very different.
I don't mind dealing with some minor flaws of the Galaxy S because I know for sure this phone will be improved because it was released on all four major carriers, not to mention it was already out as the GT i9000.
anyway - just my thoughts
sorry - I know this didn't answer your questions but wanted to share
Never had an iphone and never will! lol
Its just that I love this phone so much that I just cant stand it that reception is hurting me this badly...I just need to be patient I guess.
Like on the weekend... instead of streaming a soccer game to my Android I had to ask my wife for the Tilt2 again to watch the game with some friends at the park...
No. My tilt2 got sligltly better reception too. It OK I love my captivate.
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Man, you guys are killing me. I have a Tilt 2 with Energy ROM and for the most part I'm happy with it, but I'm just dying to upgrade to a Captivate, but I keep hearing about reception problems. On the other hand, if you Google any phone these days you hear about reception problems. If you guys are saying the reception is worse than my Tilt 2 I'm just not sure I can live with that though. I frequently work on drilling rigs where reception is pretty bad to non existent. I'm thinking about just swapping out my Tilt 2 for a new one since the keyboard is wearing out, but for $125 deductible, an upgrade sounds pretty good.
Reception is the same or better from my original Tilt.
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Man, you guys are killing me. I have a Tilt 2 with Energy ROM and for the most part I'm happy with it, but I'm just dying to upgrade to a Captivate, but I keep hearing about reception problems. On the other hand, if you Google any phone these days you hear about reception problems. If you guys are saying the reception is worse than my Tilt 2 I'm just not sure I can live with that though. I frequently work on drilling rigs where reception is pretty bad to non existent. I'm thinking about just swapping out my Tilt 2 for a new one since the keyboard is wearing out, but for $125 deductible, an upgrade sounds pretty good.
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I would upgrade if I were you.
As much as I liked my Tilt2 there is no way I would go back to it after being using the Captivate. The speed difference is just too much.
So much that I have gone from fancy Energy Roms on my wife's now tilt 2 to the simplest and fastest 2.1 ROMS I can get so it does not feel too slow.
Tilt2 has had numerous radio upgrades you can install since it came out
I would imagine when samsung releases some radio revisions we will have better luck with reception.
I really have not noticed the Captivate having significantly less reception than the tilt2. Now for battery low on the other hand.....
For me the difference is obvious even on stock tilt 2 radio.
For example watching you tube at work with my tilt 2 it was almost always a non issue but with my Captivate I get several disconnections and most of the times I have to go to low quality mode to get a decent experience.
Still, no way I am going back to the Tilt2 ...wish I they could finally get android running on it...that would make it a much nicer phone I think
I dunno, I've had noticeably worse reception on my captivate than my old blackberrt 8310
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I would upgrade if I were you.
As much as I liked my Tilt2 there is no way I would go back to it after being using the Captivate. The speed difference is just too much.
So much that I have gone from fancy Energy Roms on my wife's now tilt 2 to the simplest and fastest 2.1 ROMS I can get so it does not feel too slow.
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See, this doesnt make sense to me. After all it is a PHONE first, everything else second. So you're willing to sacrifice reception ability for speed of user interface, etc? Why? In your post you were just complaining about how poor the captivate's reception is vs. the tilt 2, yet you'd recommend the captivate because it has a faster CPU or slicker UI than the tilt2? Why not just carry two phones, one to actually use as a phone and one as a toy? That makes about as much sense to me. JMO.
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See, this doesnt make sense to me. After all it is a PHONE first, everything else second. So you're willing to sacrifice reception ability for speed of user interface, etc? Why? In your post you were just complaining about how poor the captivate's reception is vs. the tilt 2, yet you'd recommend the captivate because it has a faster CPU or slicker UI than the tilt2? Why not just carry two phones, one to actually use as a phone and one as a toy? That makes about as much sense to me. JMO.
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Ok first I think someone forgot his pills this morning
First reception not extremely poor compared to the tilt2 just youtube freezes more often at work which is a hard place for every phone for some reason. The Tilt2 was better but I did had to switch radios from time to time like something will change then a new radio will do better for this month or so.
Second, this is only for video watching...phone calls I have zero issues in quality or connectivity so far...yes it is a phone so that IS the main reason to have it.
The main issue has been Skyfire but I got confirmation from the developer that this is indeed a matter of Skyfire on the Android not being quite up to par yet to the Windows version but they are of course working on it.
So, today for example, I have been connecting to the market and downloading stuff and even watching youtube quite smoothly.
So in my first post I gave the impression it was a huge difference it was based on SouthPark and Skyfire.
So if you are able to calm down a bit feel free to rejoin the conversation but if you are going to go off like that then by all means, there are more threads around.
Regards
Well I'm glad I found this thread. When first hearing about the Captivate I was not very interested due to concerns about the Samsung interface, reception issues and GPS issues. I was also really hoping for a 4.3" screen and possibly front facing camera and a flash.
Now after reading that the GPU is top notch, GPS issue is fixed, or will be soon, and reception is generally fine I'm very much leaning toward the Captivate. Samsung interface seems to be not as bad as I initially though, and the speed is plenty fast enough even without froyo. Also NewEgg has them for $79 with a contract renewal.
I have to say I really love the new MaxSense ROM's from Energy though. I hope I can make Android look that good once I take the plunge. I'm still worried about the lack of hardware keyboard too, mostly the fact that it covers half the screen when using it.
For what it's worth:
I've owned a Tilt2 for 3 months, tried out pretty much all the available radios, and have a pretty good judgement of it's reception. I've also owned a Tilt (Kaiser) for almost 2 years.
My Captivate gets much better reception than either phone: I get solid HSDPA reception in places where neither my Tilt/Tilt2 could. The trick is to just ignore the signal bar. I live in an area with poor reception, even after the 850 MHz upgrade, and at times my phone shows no bars, but gets good quality voice/data reception. So don't rate your impressions of signal quality based on the on-screen display, only how the device actually performs.
And as far as GPS goes, I've head-to-head compared it against my Tilt2 (which has a pretty decent GPS) and the hardware itself is more sensitive, and sees 3-4 satellites indoors in places my Tilt2 can't. There are definitely weird and inconsistent problems getting/holding a lock, but to me it feels like a kernel or other software issue. So hopefully a solution can be found (by Samsung or Devs).
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For what it's worth:
I've owned a Tilt2 for 3 months....
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Thanks for the input. That's good to hear considering I'm fairly happy with the reception on my Tilt2. I have to say the GPS is inconsistent though. Sometimes it won't even pick up outside. I'm thinking about heading to Best Buy this weekend to pick up the Captivate and give it a try. I'm really looking forward to the improved video performance, bigger screen, and a standard headphone jack.
Shammyh said:
For what it's worth:
I've owned a Tilt2 for 3 months, tried out pretty much all the available radios, and have a pretty good judgement of it's reception. I've also owned a Tilt (Kaiser) for almost 2 years.
My Captivate gets much better reception than either phone: I get solid HSDPA reception in places where neither my Tilt/Tilt2 could. The trick is to just ignore the signal bar. I live in an area with poor reception, even after the 850 MHz upgrade, and at times my phone shows no bars, but gets good quality voice/data reception. So don't rate your impressions of signal quality based on the on-screen display, only how the device actually performs.
And as far as GPS goes, I've head-to-head compared it against my Tilt2 (which has a pretty decent GPS) and the hardware itself is more sensitive, and sees 3-4 satellites indoors in places my Tilt2 can't. There are definitely weird and inconsistent problems getting/holding a lock, but to me it feels like a kernel or other software issue. So hopefully a solution can be found (by Samsung or Devs).
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Oh no, my impressions were not based on bars...in fact, you will see not a single comment about those I think. That is irrelevant to me.
Although as I mentioned on my previous post, without considering the differences between the Skyfire performance, the difference is not that big.
How are you getting HSDPA on that phone, I thought the hack was not working for ATT?
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Thanks for the input. That's good to hear considering I'm fairly happy with the reception on my Tilt2. I have to say the GPS is inconsistent though. Sometimes it won't even pick up outside. I'm thinking about heading to Best Buy this weekend to pick up the Captivate and give it a try. I'm really looking forward to the improved video performance, bigger screen, and a standard headphone jack.
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I am sure you are going to love it.
I was afraid of going away from the keyboard but Swype is sweet too.
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See, this doesnt make sense to me. After all it is a PHONE first, everything else second.
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If reception is primary concern I hear the Jitterbug gets good reception?
Seriously there has been a slightly weaker signal for me but we are talking less than 10%.
P.S. map your coverage if AT&T gets bad enough coverage maps from real use they will have to fix their coverage.
My reception has been great with my Captivate, it drops less calls than my iPones and Nexus One did....my Blackberry Bold is still the king though (always had great reception with it, and battery life was insane). I do however have issues with AT&T's network in the DC/Baltimore area...theres just so many people using data that everything I do lags and takes twice as long, and I've almost never been able to watch Youtube videos in Hi-Def while on 3G...on ANY of my phones while in a populated area, but it works fine at my parents house and when connected to our 3G microcell at home. I think the Captivate works great as a phone and the 4" screen seems like it sits right in the middle of being too large and too small, meaning its perfect for me. I owned a Tilt2 and couldn't stand it after owning iPhones and the Sprint Hero...I loved the keyboard but signal strength and the browser killed it for me, it only lasted 2 weeks before it went back. Give me the Tilt2 form factor with the Captivates screen and guts on AT&T and it'll be my next phone lol.
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Oh no, my impressions were not based on bars...in fact, you will see not a single comment about those I think. That is irrelevant to me.
Although as I mentioned on my previous post, without considering the differences between the Skyfire performance, the difference is not that big.
How are you getting HSDPA on that phone, I thought the hack was not working for ATT?
I am sure you are going to love it.
I was afraid of going away from the keyboard but Swype is sweet too.
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As I understand, it's HSUPA (uplink) not HSDPA (downlink) that's the problem. Without HSDPA, we'd all be getting download speeds of less than 1 Mbit/s. And since the hardware supports it, it's only a matter of time before someone releases a working HSUPA radio.
It really is a great phone though. And for me, the biggest deal-breaker over the iPhone4 (and most other phones) is that I can simply drag-and-drop video files from my computer to my phone. From simple Xvid/Divx/OtherAVI files, to 720p HD MKV files. No transcoding, or other work required.
Don't buy it expecting it to be flawless though, the underlying hardware may be, but without XDA and the community to fix the software flaws, it wouldn't be nearly as appealing a phone.
Well I found a guy selling a Captivate on eBay for $400. My contract isn't due for an upgrade yet so I figured what the hell, if they come out with something amazing next year I could use my upgrade then. I'm definitely looking forward to the h264 decoding and "5.1" sound. I just hope I can find some widgets to make the interface look as awesome as my Energy MaxSense ROM on my Tilt2.
So I am going to tell you about my experience with a G2X today I was invited to come to my local store by my friends that work there, since I root all their phones they were very excited to show me it.
I arrived and was given the phone quickly, I was wow'ed by it in my hand, it has a very nice feel to it weight is around the same as the nexus one. Size is nearly the same as the vibrant, while the screen is simply shifted more to the top of the phone, I found this to be much nicer for one handed operations.
The overall construction is fantastic, rubberized back and the best thing is the screen is rolled off the edges and very nice. Speakers are as loud as the vibrant, phone is incredibly fluid smooth and never crashed or had hangups. I loaded several apps through Bluetooth all worked flawlessly, no blocking issues like some phones.
Tethering is on the phone stock, along with wifi calling however was unable to test it, due to no wifi source. The phone is reported to have a TFT display however it is not, it is the IPS display and it is amazing looking, next to the vibrant levels the same, the screen is as bright as the vibrant with. just a touch less color. I was most worried about the screen but I am not anymore.
Internet is blazing fast flash loaded very quick little to no lag. I was also worried about the battery life of the phone and can say I only used 1/4 of the battery over the almost 2 hours crash testing I did on it to verify it to be stable. the 4g radio is strong than the vibrant 4g I checked in the store, speeds were over 9mbps I got 3mbps on my vibrant (non 4G).
The only downfall to the phone is the power button is on top and is tiny. The phone memory was 6gb with 1.5gb internal? Without memory card installed so I am guessing this is around 8gb with 2 partitions they advertised.
There where some new menu items like smart share and something else forgot to look at it. Overall I am very impressed boot time is around 5-6 seconds. I am buying one day one for sure, I will most likely buy a GS2 when the come out too but for the next few months this is what the g2 should have been. Can't wait for 2.3.3 to release on this phone as it will only get better, but for now 2.2.3 will be great plus it will root with one click root as reported. Also I have heard that Team Whiskey is moving to the G2X day one so this will be unbelievable within a short time, save your money and donate often to get great support.
sounds like very good news thanks for all the info
Really great news! Specially that Team whiskey is getting their hands on this phone as well. I will be picking up mine tomorrow if God allows
Thanks for sharing your initial impression. g2x is running the original stock froyo so i can expect it to run w/ less bugs and errors.
So cyanogen, paul of modaco, and now them. Nice to have great and popular devs developing for g2x/O2x.
And now Eugene is coming from the vibrant to the g2x so glad I'm switching to such a highly developed for phone
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Wohoo, I'll be switching to this also, only because eugene, and TW were once the most greatest devs on the vibrant, so there work will be LOVED here
Unlocked bootloader is great i would never buy something that has a locked bootloader either signed or encrypted. Haha
G2X != O2X ? wtf ?
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G2X != O2X ? wtf ?
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G2X && O2X == LG O2X
After a few weeks when they get this partition business sorted we will be saying they should have the same forum.
The same thing happened with the Desire Z and the G2. Everyone in the Z forum wanted a merge because there was no Devvin' in the Z forums at all.
I think the G2X should have its own forum, but only for a few weeks, until we can make all the ROM's interchangable.
JD
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G2X && O2X == LG O2X
After a few weeks when they get this partition business sorted we will be saying they should have the same forum.
The same thing happened with the Desire Z and the G2. Everyone in the Z forum wanted a merge because there was no Devvin' in the Z forums at all.
I think the G2X should have its own forum, but only for a few weeks, until we can make all the ROM's interchangable.
JD
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I don't understand, G2X is what? G2X is not GS II ?
I m lost
edit ahh its t mobile version ?
What's the differences ?
tamere22 said:
I don't understand, G2X is what? G2X is not GS II ?
I m lost
edit ahh its t mobile version ?
What's the differences ?
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I will try and draw you a picture;P
The G2X is the soon to be released T-Mobile USA branded version of the LG Optimus 2X... So they are the same phone in all but one regard, The G2X has support for HSPA+ and the LG 2X doesn't.
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Okey thanks
I was getting mad at all these people talking about gs 2 in our o2x forum !! our house !! how could they !!
But I was wrong ^^
Many thanks for the thorough review - I am coming from a MyTouch4G which I've had for a few days and can't stand and before that, I had the Inspire 4G (worse battery life than the HTC EVO), then I had the Captivate (at&t's Vibrant) from November til April. I loved the Cappy but it wouldn't hold an at&t signal in my area I just moved to. Got the Inspire, issue was much worse. Got the MyTouch4G and at least I can make calls at home - HSPA+ is hit or miss. Sometimes its 3-4Mbps, usually its more like 300kbps but I've yet to drop a single call. When I went to my friend's house in downtown Denver tonight, I experienced an 11.9Mbps average on a 50MB speed test so needless to say, I'm extremely excited about T-Mobile at the moment.
The only complaint I have for the phone is that its crap they didn't include 21Mbps HSPA+ and that you have to have a Vibrant 4G in order to get that. For their latest and greatest phone, they really should have upgraded the radio. :/
Anyway, mine was ordered Friday but didn't ship til Saturday so even though I got Saturday shipping, I won't have it until tomorrow. Can't wait to get my hands on it though and send this myTouch4G piece of junk back (got the one with the bad screen, bad GPS, fluctuating HSPA speeds, and random noise on phone calls - pretty much has every known issue including bootloops that require a full wipe of the device to factory every few boots) - and I've always been a huge nVidia fan.
Did you get to run any tests on it? Games? I heard about the nVidia Zone which has games that will ONLY run on Tegra 2 - curious to see how that turns out. It seems that devs are taking to the Tegra, even though the OMAP AND Exynos will be faster (theoretically, anyway - I find it hard to believe Samsung can improve graphics performance 5x over Hummingbird) - must be their reputation as a leader in the PC world.
I tried a demo unit at a store - very snappy and no lag. Mine is coming Monday or Tuesday, and will be rooting it so I can do a nandroid ASAP. I have heard of no warnings on flashing the recovery on it (but cannot use the installer). I already downloaded the drivers and oneclick (I am assuming there are also compatible with the G2X).
I am coming off a MT4G and have had just the opposite experience of the post above. It was an early release unit, and it has had just about all the basic CM ROM's on it. Now I get to start all over again - lol.
Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
galaxy4mylife said:
Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
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In regard to what? Spontaneously turning into a fire ball?
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galaxy4mylife said:
Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
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Yes your thread is vague and honestly simply go through the forum and see the threads of people complaining. Not sure why you would create a new thread for this or make it more specific. IJS
First off no need to be rude. Second I'm not sure why you care so much about a question I asked must be keeping you up at night so I apologize for that...... I was talking about the using the phone for a few days and it becoming a brick like several international versions are experiencing. But thanks for showing me how rude everyone can be at 8:50am...
Probably quiet few people on t-mo forum don't frequent international forum, myself included, so may not be aware of specific issues there, so lets all come down and have intelligent conversation, since IMO OP question is legit as long as it is properly explained. Sooo, as far as I know there were few complains about lagging, poor battery life and couple QC issues , which BTW none of them I experienced. Personally I have not seen any brick post on this forum, which is strange since we already have root and there is plenty of people who can't follow simple directions, sometimes myself included. Anyway I wouldn't worry too much, phone is on warranty and there will always be some quality control issues. Are you sure those are not user related, like trying to root without a clue, or taking underwater photography on your scuba dive? People don't always tell whole story. If you don't have N7 yet, wait until dust clears, if you do, just enjoy it, life's too short.
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First off no need to be rude. Second I'm not sure why you care so much about a question I asked must be keeping you up at night so I apologize for that...... I was talking about the using the phone for a few days and it becoming a brick like several international versions are experiencing. But thanks for showing me how rude everyone can be at 8:50am...
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It's not a matter of rude, mate. There's multiple things that your cryptic "same prob as intl versions" could be...a little more clarity is all that was needed...
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But to answer, that's a Exynos issue thus far, and nitric had been reported for Qualcomm models
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Exactly, no rudeness seen in this thread its just if you're going to ask a question at least have it make sense. With further explanation from other parties it seems we now may have a better understanding of what OP originally meant to say. :good:
It appears that the problem starts after the first OTA update samsung released from what I have read. I hope if Tmobile releases it, it will be a later build if infact the software is too blame. I'm usually first to update but I may play it safe and wait a day or so when it's released to us. And in regards to the user error in regards to the problem. The phone apparently will start to freeze and reboot and then get stuck in reboot cycles and when you attempt a factory reset in the OS or recovery the phone becomes unusable. Samsung isn't sure of its hardware or software yet. That's why I'm optimistic but cautious about ours.
Good to know, if that's the case we could postpone updates and see if any problems are reported. It wouldn't be first time updates create more problems than fixes. Few yrs ago I updated my Asus computer BIOS, despite reading other people having problem (I assumed user errors). It took me 1 week and $20 hardware just to boot up, never mind countless hours of Google search, the BIOS was completely hosed on certain hardware, which I happened to have. Never bricked the phone with updates yet, but more often than not, stuff stops working the way it should, so waiting few days may be best option. Love the phone, would hate to loose it even for few days.
Well samsung had stopped shipping the note 7 due to them needing more "quality control testing" havent said why yet or what markets they are delayed in.
The article I read said Samsung stops shipping in Korea, no official reason given, except better QC, so everything else could be speculation which for now seems to point to battery as culprit. My phone gets pretty hot, when on fast charge, so I disabled it for now. But I'm thinking if the connection is not perfect, it could cause problems. I think the phone is charging at something over 10 Watts, my soldering iron is 30W.
i've been very happy with my note 7 so far. i luckily havent come across any of the issues some other ppl in this forum have. i did read about the international note 7 bricking randomly and not being able to factory restore it. but there havent been any reports of the qualcomm version doing that. so the exynos is faster and less lag but there's a chance of a random brick and the qualcomm doesnt brick but many complaints about ui lag. seems samsung hasnt been able to get either right so far. it's definitely a QC issue because it's random units these things are happening to. every manufacturing process has some QC issues come up but they want to keep that below a certain percentage. this seems to be above that percentage.
freebee269 said:
i've been very happy with my note 7 so far. i luckily havent come across any of the issues some other ppl in this forum have. i did read about the international note 7 bricking randomly and not being able to factory restore it. but there havent been any reports of the qualcomm version doing that. so the exynos is faster and less lag but there's a chance of a random brick and the qualcomm doesnt brick but many complaints about ui lag. seems samsung hasnt been able to get either right so far. it's definitely a QC issue because it's random units these things are happening to. every manufacturing process has some QC issues come up but they want to keep that below a certain percentage. this seems to be above that percentage.
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Well i have 7 days to exchange in store before I need one shipped so I'm hopeful it will last haha. On the topic of lag I don't notice alot in fact I think it does alot of things faster then my s7 edge for example when I start up I can enter my pin right away my s7 edge didn't even register a keypress for quite a few seconds after it popped up. This I can get into the phone in no time.
I'm experiencing the below with my TMO | Onyx black | Made in China (apparently there are 3 countries making them, china, korea, vietnam)
Running hot for no reason
Poor battery life
UI lag
Poor touch screen sensitivity - 1 in 5 key presses when typing is lost and other various touch recognition drop outs
If it's running hot, very possible some software crashed and its looping. First thing I would do is restart, then check battery screen to see what using it the most, maybe download something like 3C toolbox for better picture. Just make sure you're not in some particular spot where reception is spotty and it constantly goes in and out of network or keep switching towers.
Well though it doesn't sound like ours will be part of it I just read that Samsung will be recalling the note 7 in several markets due to a faulty battery used during manufacturing. Though more information will be provided in the next few days from Samsung. http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/01/galaxy-note-7-recall-will-reportedly-be-announced-soon/
If the battery was the issue, it would be so much simpler on the older, non sealed models like S5, which was water proof and had easy battery access. All would they had to do is mail new batt. to customers. Maybe some good comes out of this, like easy to open back in the future.
The only issue i have had is with users stating there are issues. Out of all the Samsung phones i have had 10 plus this is by far the best.
Now appears that the recall will be global. And samsung is in talks with the carriers on how to go about returning and exchanging phones already sold. Never had to deal with a phone recall before.
nonmindo said:
I'm experiencing the below with my TMO | Onyx black | Made in China (apparently there are 3 countries making them, china, korea, vietnam)
Running hot for no reason
Poor battery life
UI lag
Poor touch screen sensitivity - 1 in 5 key presses when typing is lost and other various touch recognition drop outs
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I have had all of those issues on top of no signal for long periods and I just got the phone yesterday. I have had every Note except the 4 with none of these issues. Pretty disappointed.