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3 MAJOR things stopping me from buying the Note 4

I am undecided on this device or the Nexus 6. However, I was leaning more towards the T-Mobile Note 4 for use on AT&T. I have been reading through these forums, along with the AT&T Note 4 forums. The three major issues I have been reading on are:
1. Screen uniformity issues (apparently common among AMOLED panels) Many have complained about a pink tint or residue on certain portions of the screen when viewing whites. Others have also complained that certain sections of the screen are cooler and have more of a blue tint. I have read very few actually state they got perfect screens. These AMOLED issues seem to be more prevalent in the Black Galaxy Note 4s (the color I wanted, too). I have also noted that some are complaining about graininess in their displays. Why does one of the "best" displays on the market suffer from these issues?
2. Headphone output? Its been no secret that almost every Samsung Galaxy flagship had very low volume, but apparently the Note 4 takes it to a new level. The volume with headphones plugged in, when using the stock music app is so low, it apparently is half the volume of the iPhone 5S. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. I understand about volume mods and roms, but not everyone has time to mess around with that. I also refuse to carry around an iPhone and Note 4 just to get a good listening experience.
3. LAG? Apparently Samsung's TW is still lagging and stuttering just like its predecessors before it. Of course with the Note 4, "its not bad, and much improved", yet still there. When launching apps there are noticeable delays. Using the hangouts app produces quite a bit of stutter, and using the multitasking view.
I believe if anyone is going to drop $750+ dollars on a phone, they should not have to spend time "fixing" the above issues. I really hope that I am WRONG about these issues, because honestly, there really isn't much more to choose from when it comes to phones this year. The Nexus 6 display is lacking, and so is battery life. What's left? iPhone 6 Plus? Nah.

LOL go buy the iphone...
I don't have problem with headphones and it's louder than ever.
Don't have screen problems either..
Also no lag at all.

twe90kid said:
LOL go buy the iphone...
I don't have problem with headphones and it's louder than ever.
Don't have screen problems either..
Also no lag at all.
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That's what I wanted to hear. No iPhone for me, nope not no way, not no how. I will not overpay for a limited device like that.

BlockEight88 said:
I am undecided on this device or the Nexus 6. However, I was leaning more towards the T-Mobile Note 4 for use on AT&T. I have been reading through these forums, along with the AT&T Note 4 forums. The three major issues I have been reading on are:
1. Screen uniformity issues (apparently common among AMOLED panels) Many have complained about a pink tint or residue on certain portions of the screen when viewing whites. Others have also complained that certain sections of the screen are cooler and have more of a blue tint. I have read very few actually state they got perfect screens. These AMOLED issues seem to be more prevalent in the Black Galaxy Note 4s (the color I wanted, too). I have also noted that some are complaining about graininess in their displays. Why does one of the "best" displays on the market suffer from these issues?
2. Headphone output? Its been no secret that almost every Samsung Galaxy flagship had very low volume, but apparently the Note 4 takes it to a new level. The volume with headphones plugged in, when using the stock music app is so low, it apparently is half the volume of the iPhone 5S. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. I understand about volume mods and roms, but not everyone has time to mess around with that. I also refuse to carry around an iPhone and Note 4 just to get a good listening experience.
3. LAG? Apparently Samsung's TW is still lagging and stuttering just like its predecessors before it. Of course with the Note 4, "its not bad, and much improved", yet still there. When launching apps there are noticeable delays. Using the hangouts app produces quite a bit of stutter, and using the multitasking view.
I believe if anyone is going to drop $750+ dollars on a phone, they should not have to spend time "fixing" the above issues. I really hope that I am WRONG about these issues, because honestly, there really isn't much more to choose from when it comes to phones this year. The Nexus 6 display is lacking, and so is battery life. What's left? iPhone 6 Plus? Nah.
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Yep got mine on preorder never had an issue with screen, if stock is bad no reason to mod download powerapp which is one of the best music players, go to settings and put outpt to the highest and promise to impress, and literally just downloading nova will get rid of most if an lag. Youll be fine and appreciate the phone more.

lwsoccjs said:
Yep got mine on preorder never had an issue with screen, if stock is bad no reason to mod download powerapp which is one of the best music players, go to settings and put outpt to the highest and promise to impress, and literally just downloading nova will get rid of most if an lag. Youll be fine and appreciate the phone more.
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After reading the thread on the display issues, I was quite worried. It seemed rare to get a perfect display. Of course I am sure majority of people do not have perfect displays and just don't notice it. This is why I prefer IPS panels instead of AMOLED.

unless you suffer from OCD, ignore all that non sense and buy the damn phone; its the phone of the year, by a LARGE margin, period

No problems with the phone from me. Screen is perfect, volume is plenty loud (way louder than any iPhone), lag is a non issue.
This phone does everything and does them ask well. I do have a custom ROM on it, which make a difference. If you want to buy a phone and leave it stock you should look at a nexus 6 a Motorola X or an iPhone. This phone is way better rooted with a custom ROM.
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ShrekOpher said:
No problems with the phone from me. Screen is perfect, volume is plenty loud (way louder than any iPhone), lag is a non issue.
This phone does everything and does them ask well. I do have a custom ROM on it, which make a difference. If you want to buy a phone and leave it stock you should look at a nexus 6 a Motorola X or an iPhone. This phone is way better rooted with a custom ROM.
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Well rooting and flashing roms can be an amazing thing. It's just that I did that before with my S3 and S4 and I was always changing roms, never keeping anything lol. It also got annoying have to re-setup everything all the time when updates came. I think you could get into trouble by dirty flashing.
How is your signal reception? Do you use T-Mobile? How is the GPS accuracy?

From what I've seen personally and heard from reading it almost seems that the black n4's are more likely to have display issues........Racist !

Lol damn those black phones lol

I don't have screen troubles
I don't have lag
Headphones could be a bit louder
But nothing like you described

Always the black man, I am offended samsung ....#sue
...and honestly, if you are not willing to try the phone hands on you have no right to complain about it. touchwiz will always lag next STOCK android. it is no DIFFERENT next to an lg, xperia, and htc is SLIGHTLY (thats a stretch) better in the lag department because it is the CLOSEST to stock android.
With all your complaint, either go buy an iphone or go buy a nexus device because 3rd party manufacturers are not for you lol. feels like im back on the lg g3 forum all over again with posts like this...that should tell you something....complaints are UNIVERSAL until you buy the damn thing

mgbotoe said:
Always the black man, I am offended samsung ....#sue
...and honestly, if you are not willing to try the phone hands on you have no right to complain about it. touchwiz will always lag next STOCK android. it is no DIFFERENT next to an lg, xperia, and htc is SLIGHTLY (thats a stretch) better in the lag department because it is the CLOSEST to stock android.
With all your complaint, either go buy an iphone or go buy a nexus device because 3rd party manufacturers are not for you lol. feels like im back on the lg g3 forum all over again with posts like this...that should tell you something....complaints are UNIVERSAL until you buy the damn thing
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Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.

BlockEight88 said:
Well rooting and flashing roms can be an amazing thing. It's just that I did that before with my S3 and S4 and I was always changing roms, never keeping anything lol. It also got annoying have to re-setup everything all the time when updates came. I think you could get into trouble by dirty flashing.
How is your signal reception? Do you use T-Mobile? How is the GPS accuracy?
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Using Tmobile Note 4 on AT&T. I get full LTE everywhere. I actually get faster speeds than the AT&T model on AT&T got.
Have absolutely NO GPS issues. I don't know where that complaint came from, I leave my location settings on this phone to "Device only" which means it doesn't use the WiFi or cell signal to locate me at all and have still never had any issues.
With the device on "high accuracy" it locates you instantly.
Not to mention the battery life on this thing is absolutely insane.
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ShrekOpher said:
Using Tmobile Note 4 on AT&T. I get full LTE everywhere. I actually get faster speeds than the AT&T model on AT&T got.
Have absolutely NO GPS issues. I don't know where that complaint came from, I leave my location settings on this phone to "Device only" which means it doesn't use the WiFi or cell signal to locate me at all and have still never had any issues.
With the device on "high accuracy" it locates you instantly.
Not to mention the battery life on this thing is absolutely insane.
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Thank you for your opinion. Can I ask when you bought the T-Mobile phone if you had service through them? I am reading that before the device is unlocked it first must be activated and used on its original carrier.

BlockEight88 said:
Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.
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Lol, see it how you will im just stating the hard cold fact on the matter.
Point im trying to make is that EVERY single manufacturer will have the issue you just stated, thats the plain cold fact. Heck, even Nexus is having the complaints you are currently having.
Its a lottery my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones you will end up with the unlucky device. If you want to nit pick at everything, you will end up with an unlucky device because you will always see something wrong.
See where I'm getting at?
The phone is great, it does not lag the way you are making it sound. I got zero screen issue and I'm satisfy with the sound of it...ITS LOUD. Unless you want your ears to bleed, the Note 4 is not for you. You want to use it as a boombox...the note 4 is not for you. It is smooth for what we KNOW to expect from samsung. They got so many things on here that needs to load and given the time they do and the tweaks I have on my phone, I'm satisfy and will forgive it. If you can't forgive it, than go grab an iphone or a nexus. We can bash on iphone all we want but their optimization is brilliant! They and google do so damn good job at it and make every other phone look like crap next to them (...nexus that is, im giving too much credit to icrap here lmao!) as far as "lag" is concern.
Also to make another note, most of the lag complain you see also deals with google apps. For some odd reason the only phone google apps (especially hangout) work flawlessly on are nexus devices, any other you will see lag. Nave samsung apps are FAR SUPERIOR in smoothness next to hangout. Using it make my phone feel like a cheap second rated phone

mgbotoe said:
Lol, see it how you will im just stating the hard cold fact on the matter.
Point im trying to make is that EVERY single manufacturer will have the issue you just stated, thats the plain cold fact. Heck, even Nexus is having the complaints you are currently having.
Its a lottery my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones you will end up with the unlucky device. If you want to nit pick at everything, you will end up with an unlucky device because you will always see something wrong.
See where I'm getting at?
The phone is great, it does not lag the way you are making it sound. I got zero screen issue and I'm satisfy with the sound of it...ITS LOUD. Unless you want your ears to bleed, the Note 4 is not for you. You want to use it as a boombox...the note 4 is not for you. It is smooth for what we KNOW to expect from samsung. They got so many things on here that needs to load and given the time they do and the tweaks I have on my phone, I'm satisfy and will forgive it. If you can't forgive it, than go grab an iphone or a nexus. We can bash on iphone all we want but their optimization is brilliant! They and google do so damn good job at it and make every other phone look like crap next to them (...nexus that is, im giving too much credit to icrap here lmao!) as far as "lag" is concern.
Also to make another note, most of the lag complain you see also deals with google apps. For some odd reason the only phone google apps (especially hangout) work flawlessly on are nexus devices, any other you will see lag. Nave samsung apps are FAR SUPERIOR in smoothness next to hangout. Using it make my phone feel like a cheap second rated phone
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I appreciate that. You are right about every manufacturer having its issues. When I tried the iPhone 6 plus, it lagged too. But not as bad as my previous experience with Samsung devices. Perhaps "lag" isn't the right word. I guess the right word would be stutter. I always found the animations to be a tad jerky on Samsung devices, despite awesome specs. Hopefully its as improved as everyone here is making it out to be.
Its a shame though they don't make the headphone volume go louder. :/

BlockEight88 said:
Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.
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Well considering best buy has them to demo and so does TMOBILE. I say hit the stores and you decide. So many threads about the phone not being perfect. Also every phone cost 500 plus so it not that big anymore. A smartphone comes with a smart phone price. U need to see for your self. I love it my boy hates it. It your money you need to go and see.

BACARDILIMON said:
Well considering best buy has them to demo and so does TMOBILE. I say hit the stores and you decide. So many threads about the phone not being perfect. Also every phone cost 500 plus so it not that big anymore. A smartphone comes with a smart phone price. U need to see for your self. I love it my boy hates it. It your money you need to go and see.
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The only thing with going to Best Buy and T-Mobile is that they have demo versions running on the phone, which can slow everything down.

Honestly, you should just buy a note 4. Nothing else now or in the near future compares.
My headphones are too loud. If there is such a thing.
Screen is what everyone I show the phone notices. In a good drooling/jealous way.
I've never had a phone with less lag.
I am custom however. Firekat v4

Goodbye story , S7 Edge

Hey folks ,
So i got this phone in around november 2012 soon after it came out. It has been almost 4 goddamn years. During that time it has endured countless of abuses. I first dropped it in a toilet , which had just been used and not flushed. I fished it out and cleaned it thoroughly. It was still erratic , touchscreen did weird things and stuff. I opened it up and realized the board is completely wet and it had run like that for an entire day. I cleaned the board and let it sit through the night , the next day it worked without a hiccup. Then after a while i dropped it and broke the screen. I then replaced the screen with a new one i ordered off ebay. Then GPS didn't work for the longest time. Then i solved that problem which was caused by the digitizer interference. I documented it and shared it with you folks and many people fixed their gps problems with that. After a while i dropped it again and had to replace it again , but this time i knew what the problem was so i wrapped the digitizer with aluminium foil. It did not work. Turns out the new issue was grounding (which had already been pointed out in my thread by helpful folks over there) and my new assembly didn't come with grounding contacts so i had to make those. I made them out of laptop grounding sponges which are soft and conductive. It worked again. After a while the battery's voltage started to drop randomly causing all kinds of weird touchscreen behaviour and random reboots. I used it like that for like a year. I started developing kernels with the help of wonderful folks here who wrote really really useful guides. I didn't publish anything because this is a Nexus and people who are way better than me are developing for it in a capacity that i , at this current state , cannot match. Yet.
So today , i'm finally retiring my old mako. This is a very sentimental phone for me. It has seen me being wed , it has been there at the birth of my child , it's been there when my wife almost died and when i almost fell from a cliff. It's been the great partner in my many ways. So yea , i'll be hoarding the carcass , probably be showing that to my kids one day. I learned a lot from you folks and tried to give back in every little way possible. It's been a good , long ride. Thank you folks for everything.
Cheers!

May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...

Wow, I was about to post something similar (a goodbye note of sorts) but if you don't mind I will just post it here instead of creating new thread.
Nexus 4 has been my daily driver since launch. I enjoyed the official run up to lollipop and now MarshMallow. (screen replaced 3 times, and usb port replaced 2. Every time it was my mistake)
My story is a bit different, I went with Honor 5x, a filler device, as I needed dual sim functionality until September. I am actually planning on getting the G5 then.
I will miss this phone and for now I am not sure I can let go of N4 completely because I still haven't used the honor 5x (it was shipped to my house today and I am at work). If I get a slight bad vibe from the Honor, I will be back to N4 in no time.
Sooner or later we had to part ways but I have to give it to LG for building this solid piece of device. In my books, the N4 will go down as one of the best Nexus device built to date (sorry 5x,6p,6 and 5).
I hope you enjoy your S7 Edge.

xWolf13 said:
May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...
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Only the snapdragon version has an locked Bootloader.
Made the same switch after 3 years, but still using the Mako for some stuff. Especially since i haven´t unlocked my S7 Edge yet.

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May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...
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One of the reasons i went with a Samsung device is , Samsung is the only manufacturer that actually does something about storage technology. Their flash chips are faster than anybody else , only rivaled by that of the iPhone which is also a samsung chip It's rarely mentioned in the reviews and largely ignored yet it is very important for a sleek UI experience. Also the fact that Exynos 8890 is a beast. The device performs without a damn hiccup. Impressive hardware. Btw , i got the international version. So , it's exynos for me. I'm already rooted
Touch Latency , Audio Latency and many more variables which are never mentioned in the reviews , those are very important. Samsung is one of the best in terms of those , again only rivaled by Apple. I'm actually thinking about writing an article about those features that nobody mentions. So that people pay more attention.

I'm using my HTC One M7 until it dies, but once in a while I'll charge up my Nexus 4 and use it for a day or two. It's still my favorite phone, I'm kind of wanting to simply save it and keep it in good condition while riding out my M7. It's a freaking fantastic phone. Perfect screen and in-hand size for my tastes, build quality can be a smidgen creaky once in a blue moon but otherwise really great. I'm always going to hold onto it even if I upgrade in the future as a backup, and like I mentioned it's my favorite phone, always has been and will be for quite some time yet. It's almost in flawless condition other than some small scratches on the back. Friend gave it to me for free after getting a OnePlus One, he bricked the hell out of it but I fixed it in about 2 hours and he said "Just keep it man, I have no use for it" xD

Cudos to you, you've really MacGyver'd that phone!

How much of a concern is the battery life (specifically, SOT)?

Hello everyone!
Background (less important): So, I've been looking at getting a Oneplus phone for a while but when my last 2 phones died back to back, I got an S6 from insurance. Problem with the S6 being just about everything (no SD card expansion, no removable battery, no rooting abilities, etc). I've been keeping an eye out for the right time to get a new device and, now that my device memory is full, I'm looking at a new phone.
I was looking at picking up either the S7 or the Oneplus 3T. The S7 is under $500 on amazon, which is pretty surprising (thought it would be much more expensive), has expandable SD card support, pretty good battery, good camera, lots of RAM, etc and they just got the ability to root. It also has some cool options like medical sensor stuff, etc (not all that important, just extra bells and whistles).
However, the 3T appears to have a very active rooting/mods community, and overall, many people have said this is the best phone they've ever had so I'm leaning towards picking that up. The only downsides I've seen/heard are the camera on the 3T isn't as good (definitely not the end of the world, it's still an upgrade from my S6) and I've seen a number of battery drain threads and that genuinely concerns me. I understand that those with the issue are likely going to be a lot more vocal than those that have everything working but I was hoping to gauge how much of a concern this really is and if anyone has determined the cause of the battery drain and if there's a solution. What I don't want to do is get a developer friendly phone that dies super quick (I understand it charges fast too but I don;t want to rely on that).
Anyway, this is kind of an important decision for me as my goal is to keep a phone for 3 years so I'm looking for a phone that is pretty well future proof (for a while, I know 3 years is a long time in the technology field) and I don't want to "settle" for a phone that's going to give me nothing but headaches.
If you guys could help me understand how big of a deal the battery drain is, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.

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Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.

jbrookley said:
So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
Hope I could help you

talpes said:
I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.

jbrookley said:
So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.
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They did have USB-C on the Note 7. At the point of S7 launch it wasn't that widespread.

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Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!

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I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!
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I am certain you won't regret getting this device. Let me know if you need any help or have any more questions via PM.

6-7 hour of sot per charge every 22-28 hours.

technology is weird. people can get battery drains for all kinds of reasons. google services may be a reason. or some wakelock by some random app that never was a problem, but after installing it on a certain rom on a certain phone it suddenly is a problem. and weirdly enough you are the only one experiencing it. it might be something with the rom where a factory reset may help. some people go ahead and flash another rom and then it is gone. sometimes they make the wrong conclusion that it is the roms fault. or the kernels or whatever. it happens on every phone. just go to a random phones forum and you will find threads with people complaining about battery drain. and they will be the only ones with this particular issue. the vast majority of users does not have such issues. if they do you will find out about it soon enough and after some time there will be an update that fixes it.
my sot is around 5 hours depending on what i do. using media like movies gives you more screen time, heavy gaming gives you less screen time.

Anyone considering the V30?

I'm curious if anyone is considering moving to the V30? The better screen and newer processor does intrigue me.
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Absolutely! Dumping the g6 as soon as I can. I just hope that they fix the issues that the g6 has before releasing it.

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Absolutely! Dumping the g6 as soon as I can. I just hope that they fix the issues that the g6 has before releasing it.
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What issues are you having?
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1. Well the first major issue is that I can't get this phone to connect to a 5ghz network, I know others can but for some reason my phone cannot (see screenshot). it finds them, but "disabled" them when I try to connected (yes I am using the right password to connect). The 2.4 connects, but I get random drops in connection all of the time at differing intervals.
2. I get dropped calls all of the time, even when I am in an area with full service and sometimes when I am on a call I can hear the other people fine, but they can't hear me at all. I had to disable VoLTE because the calls 'sounded' good but everything was digitized and half of the time everything was scrambled and unable to understand them.
3. Camera - I am still not quite sure why many are comparing this camera to the Galaxy S8 or Iphone. The pictures that I take with this phone are abysmal. The night photos are grainy and the day photos look great on this screen, but as soon as I look at them with a larger screen they are unfocused and unclear. I get it, I can switch to manual mode and mess around with the settings to make the pictures "phenomenal" as I have been told, but that takes time, and by the time that I have the right settings for a good picture, my wife's S8 could have taken 10 pictures that look so much better than this camera can take. (yes I have wiped the lens off, it is clean and I am using the LG camera program).
4. Battery: I had this phone since may, and I am lucky to get 12 hours on a charge (from 100% to 20%) with light duty usage. I know that is subjective and is affected by what programs that you use and how much you use the phone throughout the day, but on the Galaxy S6 Plus that I had, after a year I was still getting 18-24 hours on similar usage with the battery.
I know that I keep referring back to Samsung Phones for my examples, but that is the comparison that I have to this phone. I have used Sammy phones for the past 4 years and, personally, I wanted to switch to LG to get off of the Sammy phones because I am not a Samsung fanboy. They have their issues and those issues were big enough to cause me to switch to LG for this phone.
I have taken the phone back to the store and, of course, everything 'magically' works when I am there, so they won't touch it or replace it. Thus, I am dropping this phone as soon as I humanly can.
Thanks and I hope that you don't have the same issues that I have, as it seems people either love or hate this phone and unfortunately I hate it.
Brandon

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1. Well the first major issue is that I can't get this phone to connect to a 5ghz network, I know others can but for some reason my phone cannot (see screenshot). it finds them, but "disabled" them when I try to connected (yes I am using the right password to connect). The 2.4 connects, but I get random drops in connection all of the time at differing intervals.
2. I get dropped calls all of the time, even when I am in an area with full service and sometimes when I am on a call I can hear the other people fine, but they can't hear me at all. I had to disable VoLTE because the calls 'sounded' good but everything was digitized and half of the time everything was scrambled and unable to understand them.
3. Camera - I am still not quite sure why many are comparing this camera to the Galaxy S8 or Iphone. The pictures that I take with this phone are abysmal. The night photos are grainy and the day photos look great on this screen, but as soon as I look at them with a larger screen they are unfocused and unclear. I get it, I can switch to manual mode and mess around with the settings to make the pictures "phenomenal" as I have been told, but that takes time, and by the time that I have the right settings for a good picture, my wife's S8 could have taken 10 pictures that look so much better than this camera can take. (yes I have wiped the lens off, it is clean and I am using the LG camera program).
4. Battery: I had this phone since may, and I am lucky to get 12 hours on a charge (from 100% to 20%) with light duty usage. I know that is subjective and is affected by what programs that you use and how much you use the phone throughout the day, but on the Galaxy S6 Plus that I had, after a year I was still getting 18-24 hours on similar usage with the battery.
I know that I keep referring back to Samsung Phones for my examples, but that is the comparison that I have to this phone. I have used Sammy phones for the past 4 years and, personally, I wanted to switch to LG to get off of the Sammy phones because I am not a Samsung fanboy. They have their issues and those issues were big enough to cause me to switch to LG for this phone.
I have taken the phone back to the store and, of course, everything 'magically' works when I am there, so they won't touch it or replace it. Thus, I am dropping this phone as soon as I humanly can.
Thanks and I hope that you don't have the same issues that I have, as it seems people either love or hate this phone and unfortunately I hate it.
Brandon
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Wow, that's crazy. I don't have any issues like that with mine.
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I've had mine replaced twice for dropping calls, so bad that the radio icons would literally disappear and reappear, dropping the call or WiFi.
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I was thinking about ordering a G6 today, but after reading about the V30 think that it may be the way to go. A lot of what made me reconsider was in this forum, and how much the G6 is restricted by TMo. I have a rooted LG G4 which has been fine after being fixed for the bootloop problem. I've just been bitter about having to put lineage on it.

Yes! I'm planning on returning one of my G6's via JUMP! and upgrading to a v30. Probably within the next month. I'm waiting for a good promotion and a few paychecks. But definitely getting one to use side by side with my paid off G6 & LineageOS G4.
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I'm just curious (new to LG - except for my Nexus 5)...
What makes you assume the V30 would be better than the G6?

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I'm just curious (new to LG - except for my Nexus 5)...
What makes you assume the V30 would be better than the G6?
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I second this question. It'll probably be even more locked down than the G6, if thats possible.

I also ask the same question (despite wanting to dump the g6), to me it is the assumption that the fixed the problems that plagued the G6. Or it is just because i don't like the g6 enough that I hope that phone is better in 'any' way at this point.

I find that my G6 tends to lag a lot. I'm afraid the V30 will also since it has the same 4GB of memory.
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I find that my G6 tends to lag a lot. I'm afraid the V30 will also since it has the same 4GB of memory.
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I saw that as well. I also saw some reviews that despite the phone being very well made, the screen is junk? Anyone see or hear the same issue?

Not a chance in hell.
Worst phone experience I've had in years.
Camera glass cracked from what I can only conclude is expansion and not enough tolerance in the design to have a water resistant phone. I'm not alone in this issue by any means, LG refused to acknowledge it, instead screwing customers over for overpriced repairs. I appreciate that some users are rough with their devices and likely caused the damage but I baby my phones and this was not user caused in my case and no doubt many others.
Removing the ability to access root is a deal breaker for me. It's not that the phone isn't nice to use, and I don't need a bunch of niche apps.
It's quite simply that being locked down is IMO a deliberate move between TMobile and LG to limit any version upgrades that lengthen the life of a device and cannibalizes their 'jump' programs and phone purchases in general. This is evidenced by the fact that it's still on the very base 7.0 version of Android Nougat (no interest in giving customers the important Google incremental updates).
Oreo having been out for months, I doubt this phone will see it.
I tend to keep phone's longer than a year, my previous Nexus 5 was nearly 4 years old when I got the G6, and had I kept it, would be running Oreo right now instead of Nougat!
Fool me once shame on you..... Fool me twice shame on me. Not gonna happen.
Buying a pixel outright and chopping phone insurance and the jump plan costs from my bill.
YMMV - but you did ask for user opinions! That means the good and the bad.

I wanted the V30, and was waiting to get one but needed to add a line in late august for one of my kids so I got a pair of G6's for $500 on a bogo. Honestly, this might be the best phone I've had to date. I get great battery life, the camera is great, and the performance is great. I disable everything I can that I don't use and its been fine. Plenty of storage for me.
So with all that said, I just don't see there being enough of an upgrade in the V30. The quad dac will not do much for me because I stream my music from spotify. While the camera may be an upgrade, I'm not sure its $550 better after I use my jump. Screen is a little bigger and I think the minor gains in battery life will be negligible. Plus, the screen issues I'm hearing about on both the V30 and Pixel XL 2 have me thinking I'm just fine staying on the G6 with its LCD screen for a few more months.
Bottom line, I don't think its a huge upgrade for me especially when I factor in the cost. I'll be Jump eligible by next spring, May use it on the G7 or wait for the V40.

I was excited for the V30, but I read the LED screen is not great. Some say its good, others says it's terrible. Everyone agrees it's not as good as Samsung's LED screens. I own several Samsung LED devices, so I'll probably notice the difference. Maybe the later batches of the V30 (2018 build dates) will be better. The later batches of the G5 and G6 fixed some of the imperfections of the first batches.

I hate to but I'm giving up on this phone

The M20P is a great phone in many ways but I'm throwing in the towel. At this point I really wish I had held onto my P20P.
I can't trust this phone as a daily driver because of intermittent issues where phone calls go straight into voicemail without the phone ever ringing. It's not like I'm missing the calls because multiple people have reported that when they called it went straight to voicemail with no ringing.
There was some theorizing in a separate thread that the issue might be due to a compatibility issue with the T-Mobile network here in the United States (where the M20P isn't officially sold or supported) but I have found owners in other countries complaining about the same problem .
I've tried numerous fixes from experimenting with the APN and network settings, turning off raise to wake and voice answering settings, using performance mode, using Shortcut Maker to disable the hidden Wi-Fi calls menu, turning off power optomization for all apps, giving call related apps unlimited data access, disabling Power Genie with ADB--and every time it seems like the problem might be fixed it eventually happens again.
I previously owned both the M10P and P20P and never ran across the issue on either phone. I'm not sure if this is happening because of MIUI 9 or the way Huawei is implementing Android Pie or if it is only specific to this model but as much as I like the M20P I can't use it as my daily driver if I can't trust it to ring every time I receive a call.
I'm not a fan of Samsung phones, One Plus or Google Pixels so I'm looking at probably getting a Xiaomi MI 9 and relegating this to the back up phone status currently occupied by my Mix 2S.
Maybe the problem will get fixed in the 9.1 update but I can't keep missing calls.

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The M20P is a great phone in many ways but I'm throwing in the towel. At this point I really wish I had held onto my P20P.
I can't trust this phone as a daily driver because of intermittent issues where phone calls go straight into voicemail without the phone ever ringing. It's not like I'm missing the calls because multiple people have reported that when they called it went straight to voicemail with no ringing.
There was some theorizing in a separate thread that the issue might be due to a compatibility issue with the T-Mobile network here in the United States (where the M20P isn't officially sold or supported) but I have found owners in other countries complaining about the same problem .
I've tried numerous fixes from experimenting with the APN and network settings, turning off raise to wake and voice answering settings, using performance mode, using Shortcut Maker to disable the hidden Wi-Fi calls menu, turning off power optomization for all apps, giving call related apps unlimited data access, disabling Power Genie with ADB--and every time it seems like the problem might be fixed it eventually happens again.
I previously owned both the M10P and P20P and never ran across the issue on either phone. I'm not sure if this is happening because of MIUI 9 or the way Huawei is implementing Android Pie or if it is only specific to this model but as much as I like the M20P I can't use it as my daily driver if I can't trust it to ring every time I receive a call.
I'm not a fan of Samsung phones, One Plus or Google Pixels so I'm looking at probably getting a Xiaomi MI 9 and relegating this to the back up phone status currently occupied by my Mix 2S.
Maybe the problem will get fixed in the 9.1 update but I can't keep missing calls.
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I do also Miss calls. And I can't get Google voice to work, and use it for voicemail. So sometimes I don't even get notification of new voicemail too. Same here, T-Mobile US. I'm thinking of trading up, but really waiting for the upcoming 5g phones.
For me, it's not a deal breaker. But an inconvenience. Might trade my son-in-law for his 6t.
I hate to do it. Because everything about the performance is great. I love the camera...... Ugh.

Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Afaik, this has never happened to me or anyone I know with the M20P. But we also weren't affected by the infamous iPhone Death Grip here in Sweden, probably because our mobile networks are decently stable.

No issues here on Rogers in Canada. Sorry to hear that.
That's also a deal breaker for me. If it can't make and receive phone calls, she's gotta go.

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No issues here on Rogers in Canada. Sorry to hear that.
That's also a deal breaker for me. If it can't make and receive phone calls, she's gotta go.
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Must be related to the network not the phone...either the band it's on in your area, or the communication with the tower.
While most of us in countries where the phone is sold have problems with notifications (EMUI 9.1....I hope that will solve them...) I NEVER missed a call. And my provider (Videotron) has agreements with 3 more for coverage, so I jump a lot between bands and carriers when I travel.
Considering you have no recourse in US, I would just give up and get something more mainstream. 6T might be good idea.

I can make phone calls and 95% of the time I receive them fine. But the other 5% is driving me crazy ?.
The other day I had to call Amazon customer service The website said the call was connected but my phone never rang. I canceled the call and clicked for them to call me back and the same thing happened twice more-the Amazon website said the call was currently connected but my phone never rang, there's nothing in the call history and no voicemail notification.
I reboot my phone and there's suddenly 3 missed calls and a voice mail notification and when I click for Amazon to call me again the phone rings immediately.
I hadn't missed a call for weeks before that.
Maybe I shouldn't have screwed around with manually flashing updates. It was never a problem with the M10P or P20P but since the updates for this phone aren't locked to the specific hardware version it's not the same as before and the phone always shows up as uncertified which never happened on the other phones.

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Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Afaik, this has never happened to me or anyone I know with the M20P. But we also weren't affected by the infamous iPhone Death Grip here in Sweden, probably because our mobile networks are decently stable.
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You should try a factory reset as a last resort first

what firmware version are you on? M2p here in the states and have had zero problems here

I was on one of the versions with the April security patch. I did a factory reset and e-recovery to the latest approved version for my model which is 210 with the March security patch but it didn't make any difference. I haven't had any calls yet to miss but I couldn't get text messages to set up my Amazon and Chase apps until after rebooting the phone which is a different symptom of the same issue. I was sending and receiving texts earlier this morning with no issues. I had to reboot about 4 hours later.
I have the LYA-L09 version from the UK. I don't think It should make a difference but maybe the international or Canadian versions would work better with T-Mobile in the US. Band support isn't an issue but Huawei did something new with this phone where the custom partition (which contains carrier and region specific software) is separate from the rest of the firmware which is why the same firmware versions can be manually flashed across all non-Chinese models.
The new custom partition might be causing issues with missed calls and notifications that some people like me are experiencing.

On earlier Huawei phones removing specific apps from battery optimization was enough to ensure that notifications from those apps were delivered quickly but a really common complaint with many M20P owners is that doing that no longer works. Some people don't get any notifications from certain apps unless the display is on and others need to reboot their phones when they suspect they have missed notifications--especially from SMS.

I didn't come across this missing calls issue but there is a bunch of other annoyances that putting me off this phone. To start with, it disappointed me straight away from day one due to simple, unexpected reason - inability to unlocked it at first-second-third attempt with in-screen fingerprint sensor. It was like a sobering slap to the face. Believe me or not but this fancy feature was one of the buying point. Seriously, that fingerprint reader seems works only at the time of first set up . Next day during the phone normal use with clean screen with no screen protector the most common scenario - unlocked with face recognition after 4 failed fingerprint attempt. Seriously, the first "date" with this beautiful phone was ruined straight away!! Further - more "minor" issues like tons of accidental screenshots in my gallery due to improper buttons position, inferior sound from the speakers (coming from Pixel 3) - acceptable at max volume only for me, useless AOD, inability to wake up the phone with double tap, no notifications issue (due to too long (!) operator name as I figured out later), no Google Feed out-of-the-box for my region, poor tactile engine (still can't feel that it's even here compared to iPhones or Pixel 3), camera inconsistency (too many out of focus, blurry shots, bad selfies, poor low light video).... Basically the only things forced to keep me this phone are great battery life, versatile camera, cool unique back design. I understand that there is no perfect phone for sure BUT there are far too many negative bullet points for this one considering the price I paid for it. Frankly, it is certainly not a over $1000 phone at all. If I was aware of all above-mentioned issues, I would't pay more than $500 for it. Sure I have got some quite stunning shots from it BUT everything else must be up for the price as well! So I gave up and put it on sale as well. Sorry Huawei, try harder next time.

Boo hoo.

WarVic said:
I didn't come across this missing calls issue but there is a bunch of other annoyances that putting me off this phone. To start with, it disappointed me straight away from day one due to simple, unexpected reason - inability to unlocked it at first-second-third attempt with in-screen fingerprint sensor. It was like a sobering slap to the face. Believe me or not but this fancy feature was one of the buying point. Seriously, that fingerprint reader seems works only at the time of first set up . Next day during the phone normal use with clean screen with no screen protector the most common scenario - unlocked with face recognition after 4 failed fingerprint attempt. Seriously, the first "date" with this beautiful phone was ruined straight away!! Further - more "minor" issues like tons of accidental screenshots in my gallery due to improper buttons position, inferior sound from the speakers (coming from Pixel 3) - acceptable at max volume only for me, useless AOD, inability to wake up the phone with double tap, no notifications issue (due to too long (!) operator name as I figured out later), no Google Feed out-of-the-box for my region, poor tactile engine (still can't feel that it's even here compared to iPhones or Pixel 3), camera inconsistency (too many out of focus, blurry shots, bad selfies, poor low light video).... Basically the only things forced to keep me this phone are great battery life, versatile camera, cool unique back design. I understand that there is no perfect phone for sure BUT there are far too many negative bullet points for this one considering the price I paid for it. Frankly, it is certainly not a over $1000 phone at all. If I was aware of all above-mentioned issues, I would't pay more than $500 for it. Sure I have got some quite stunning shots from it BUT everything else must be up for the price as well! So I gave up and put it on sale as well. Sorry Huawei, try harder next time.
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I've never had any of those problems although the AOD display does seem to bug some people who are used to what Samsung or Apple does with it.
I think the Pixels are among the worst phones on the market. They easily list for twice what they are worth, have worst build quality than a $200 Xiaomi phone, run too hot, suffer serious hardware failure within 2 years in staggering numbers and every generation of Pixel devices to date has had significant hardware and software problems that the tech press ignores.
I really like this phone a lot. The build quality is fantastic. It takes great pictures and everything runs smooth and fast without the phone ever running hot (unlike Google phones which have been running in performance mode by default since the Nexus 5X). Battery life is great. My LG display (you know--the one that was supposedly defective?) is gorgeous.
But I can't deal with the missed calls anymore. I'm sure it could be fixed with a software update but after 6 months I'm not confident that a fix is ever going to come.

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I've never had any of those problems although the AOD display does seem to bug some people who are used to what Samsung or Apple does with it.
I think the Pixels are among the worst phones on the market. They easily list for twice what they are worth, have worst build quality than a $200 Xiaomi phone, run too hot, suffer serious hardware failure within 2 years in staggering numbers and every generation of Pixel devices to date has had significant hardware and software problems that the tech press ignores.
I really like this phone a lot. The build quality is fantastic. It takes great pictures and everything runs smooth and fast without the phone ever running hot (unlike Google phones which have been running in performance mode by default since the Nexus 5X). Battery life is great. My LG display (you know--the one that was supposedly defective?) is gorgeous.
But I can't deal with the missed calls anymore. I'm sure it could be fixed with a software update but after 6 months I'm not confident that a fix is ever going to come.
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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!

So.... I too have abandoned the phone. I love it. It was a beast with battery and camera and speed. But.... missing calls has cost me a vacation that my timeshare had called and I didn't get the trade for the time. And timeshares can be finnickey to get a trade for the area/time you want.
Anyway. I ended up trading to my son-in-law for the oneplus 6t since its sold by Tmobile and should have any missed calls. He got a hell of a phone for the trade. Oh well.....

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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!
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I have owned Nexus and Pixel phones. I definitely know what I am talking about. The Nexus devices had much more premium build quality than the Pixel line and the phones were much cheaper.
Just go to the Official Google Pixel Support site and read the posts from the many owners experiencing serious issues with their phones. That's pretty much the only place people can find accurate information about Pixel phones because the tech press holds Google to a much lower standard than it does Samsung, Apple, Huawei, or Xiaomi. The only company that gets a similar treatment to Google is One Plus. The official One Plus support site has so many reports of issues everyday that after a couple hours all of the posts that had been visible are completely buried under the tidal wave of new posts.
The difference is that the majority of issues One Plus owners report are software related because the coding on One Plus phones is inept and the majority of reported Pixel problems are hardware related.

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So.... I too have abandoned the phone. I love it. It was a beast with battery and camera and speed. But.... missing calls has cost me a vacation that my timeshare had called and I didn't get the trade for the time. And timeshares can be finnickey to get a trade for the area/time you want.
Anyway. I ended up trading to my son-in-law for the oneplus 6t since its sold by Tmobile and should have any missed calls. He got a hell of a phone for the trade. Oh well.....
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I am not a fan of One Plus but I'm sure you won't have an issue with missed calls. If you have a T-Mobile One Plus instead of an unlocked one you get far less frequent updates because T-Mobile is trying not to release Oxygen updates that introduce new bugs. I don't think T-Mobile knew what they were getting into before they decided to carry those phones.
I got my MI 9. It's not as nice as the M20P obviously but it's a good value which is what Xiaomi is known for. I'm also getting all my calls, texts and notifications with zero problems and VoLTE works.

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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!
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Looks to me you're the only one who doesn't know what he's talking about...plus you might wanna try to be more considerate when you post here. No need for personal baseless attacks.
Pixel 3 is an outdated phone with an excellent camera app and timely updates. That's ALL. Had one, ditched it for the Mate 20 pro (in before the personal attack that "you don't know what you're talking about").
I can also ask you how did you get your Mate 20 pro to become "hot as hell after just a half an hour driving with GPS app running". I took 4-5 hour trips with GPS on, the only slight warm area was the wireless charging one, as the phone sat in a holder with wireless charging.
Not sure what point you are trying to prove (if any) but you haven't convinced anyone.
Maybe this will:
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/04/29/doesnt-sound-like-google-sold-very-many-pixel-3-phones/

have you tried using a fresh new sim card?