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Why do I have to struggle with battery life?

Let me ask a question, cause its bothering me; I had an N5 and loved it, the no-crap android os is what I want. Unfortunately I had to go through all kinds of hoops and do all kinds of crap to get it to last me a full day with no charge, I changed kernels and kernel settings, etc. and usually had to throw it on a charger to get through the day and periodically would hose my phone due to under-volting which was hit or miss anyway.
I picked up an invite for a 64G OnePlus and it was insane, its like I got double the battery life and did nothing, no kernel, just the stock CM. I lusted for the N6 and got it last week. Man its big, but I'm loving it, but......wtf is the issue with the battery? I'm reading other stories and I have not been able to really benchmark mine, I got the phone Fri. and have not had a normal day yet, but I'm starting to get a little worried. I had wake up notifications, LED blinking and the same amount of wake ups as I usually have. But I don't think theres anyway I'm getting 5ish sot. Why? Whats so different? Is it me or the device? I can live with 4ish sot, nothing less and I don't want to **** around with kernels again. I'm still in my 14 day return, but so don't want to. I'm rooted, custom recovery, don't want to flash a rom (well maybe CM when available) and did not feel a need to decrypt, but maybe thats the answer. Anyway, any additional thoughts?

I just think that the nexus 6 panel is very power hungry. 5 hrs sot is kind of what I have been getting. It kills me that the note 4 has the same processor and same battery yet gets better battery life.

jm700wx said:
I just think that the nexus 6 panel is very power hungry. 5 hrs sot is kind of what I have been getting. It kills me that the note 4 has the same processor and same battery yet gets better battery life.
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But I figured the Moto like peek feature would be less power then a full wake up like it was doing on the One. I want to keep this phone, I actually did the unthinkable and tried the IP6+, just to give it the benefit of a doubt, I got it on a Fri. morn and brought it back Mon.
Any chance of software fix from Google? I know there is not a clear answer, but I'm wondering what the xda-gods are thinking, hence my questions.

jackpollard said:
I actually did the unthinkable and tried the IP6+, just to give it the benefit of a doubt
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but I'm wondering what the xda-gods are thinking,
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You have likely offended the xda-Android-dogs by your sacrilegious act described above!!! You need to smash up a brand new IP6+ as a sacrifice to atone for this act! You infidel!
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On a serious note, OnePlus is running a custom OS, with a custom kernel and all the goodies that we Nexus users have to make changes to get. One+ is already running the optimized OS. I'd say that is why it gets better battery life than stock Lollipop.

[Q] Finally jumping to the Nexus 6.

Verizon contract is up in a couple weeks so I'm jumping to T-Mobile (costs less) and getting the Nexus 6. I just have a few questions.
Are there any weird quirks with the phone? Anything I won't find out by playing with the phone in store for 10 minutes? Is the phone as powerful as the specs say it is?
I saw some of the older battery life charts in the other thread and they aren't terrible. Is battery life still decent? I'm looking for 4-5+ hours of screen-on time ideally.
Does the "quick charger" that comes with it work well?
Tl;dr Do you recommend the phone?

It's a loaded post, which is why a lot of views, but nary a reply.
However ....
Your title to me is better than jumping on a N6, which could be disastrous to the phone.
If you have looked over the threads, you'll get varying opinions, and mostly IMO it depends on two things:
What they had/came from
What they expect out of the N6.
I will only speak for myself; I came from a VZ GNex I hung onto for 3 years - anything I may have gone to would be a worthy HW upgrade, however I want to tweak my phone when I'm ready to, and that means a Nexus.
I love the phone, it was a bit of a letdown, as I was already running 5.0 on my GNex, so the experience was to a larger, faster smoother phone than what I had. Other than that, I'm loving every minute of having it, plain and simple.
I have one other person who transitioned to one, and he loves it as well.
I'm not going to tell you to get it, you have to go play with it and decide for yourself.
To your specific questions:
quirks - no more so than any other phone, I haven't found any yet myself - most who post I think have to do with not knowing what they set in Lollipop, I've already had it for a bit, so I'm used to it.
Yup, its fast and powerful, whether or not you decide to go unencrypted is up to you, which goes to what you had and what you expect - are you going to unlock root, mod? You can enjoy this phone for quite a bit of time before maybe even needing a reason to go mod it.
Personally, I haven't yet, nor have a lot of members here (check the what rom are you running on VZ thread) because again, I haven't (other than wanting to change my softkeys) had a good reason (to me) to invest the time to do it.
I'm sure it will happen, but not right now. right now I'm just enjoying the hell out of having it.
Batt time is always subjective, whether or not we care to admit it. No two devices are going to run the same, have the same app load outs, some have different memory it appears, and some may actually (gasp) have a bad batt on arrival.
Mine has ran terrific (remember again - what I had and what I expect), and the QC runs great to recharge if need be. I can say that I love not worrying about the batt right now on it daily, but that's for me and my usage.

Battery is fine and its quick. The fast charger works well. I'm not really a fan of them but its what it comes with. I came from a m8 which was a nice device but I like this one better.

Raikalo said:
Tl;dr Do you recommend the phone?
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My wife and I jumped from Sprint to T-Mobile, handing off our Evo 4G's when the Nexus 6 was released, and wouldn't look back. The Nexus 6 has been nothing short of awesome... the camera, speed, screen, everything - is awesome. We keep ours in thick iBlason "Armorbox" cases, and still enjoy our QI charging (I'm unsure how QI isn't a requirement in modern phones these days!). A lot of friends complained about the size, but those that got it anyway, ended up "getting over it" and now won't go back to the smaller screens, heh! It still fits nicely in my (male) jean pockets -- with the large case -- but you'd be hard-pressed to get it safely in female pockets (sorry ladies... you're not allowed to put stuff in the pockets!).
Quirks: one big thing jumped out at me, but isn't a big deal for most. The phone does have built-in RGB LEDs that sit underneath the top speaker, yet, they chose to block access to this functionality. I guess they reused the underlying board but didn't want the LEDs, but nonetheless, they are invaluable to me: I enjoy knowing if I have something waiting for me *without* having to look at the screen - whether while in bed, sitting on the desk, riding the bike, etc.! The plus, you can get at these LEDs if you're rooted. So... if that's possibly desirable to you, I'd recommend unlocking the phone as soon as you get it, so you can avoid the data wipe down the road. The Lightflow app can handle them quite well (though I believe it requires the "Pro" version, for a couple bucks). ...and as of now, the LEDs are "on or off" - no flashing... but hey, I'll take what I can get!
Oh, and not really related to the phone itself, but a Google-Nexus 6 quirk -- quite annoying at the time, for me -- Google's "My Tracks" app was broken for awhile (unable to acquire the GPS signal). There are a gazillion alternatives out there, but I'd been a long-time daily user of the app, and Google broke it!...for months. It was disappointing that they would break core app functionality on their *current* flagship device, for their own app, and choose to ignore it for such a long time. I think the 5.1 update fixed whatever problem they had, but that was a pet peeve.. On the plus side, I've enjoyed the feature-rich alternatives that I was forced to explore, ha!
We haven't messed with de-crypting ourselves, as the phones are super-duper-fast as-is, but we love them. These are our introduction to the Nexus world, and we love the fact that they no-bars-hold permit unlocking, and that the updates are, of course, front line.
Tl;dr I highly recommend the phone! Phone size is the only recurring complaint among friends.

Thank you everyone for the replies. Yes, battery life is subjective ...so long as most of the reviews say the battery is good enough, that's all I care about. First-hand reviews from users are always the best because I know everyone isn't just trying to sell me a phone . As far as the LEDs being unusable when not rooted, that isn't a big deal for me. My current phone (Razr Maxx HD, xt926 verizon) has the LEDs and fantastic battery life through various mods, but is simply not cutting it anymore for what I need. I've never heard of the My Tracks app, so I guess it's a good thing since I didn't know it was broken lol.
This will be my first Nexus phone... I have the Nexus 7 (2012) tablet that is currently running CM12 nightlies, so I'm familiar with the "Nexus experience" and Lollipop already. I like it quite a bit, but it did take a little getting used to. I was very much planning on unlocking and rooting the N6 immediately, but I'll play with it a bit and enjoy the stock experience first.
@vormund Do you like T-Mobile, now that you switched from Sprint?
@RW-1 Can you explain the encryption you're talking about a little more? This is the first I've heard of it.
Again, thanks everyone for the replies. I'm pretty much sold on the phone at this point.

Raikalo said:
Thank you everyone for the replies. Yes, battery life is subjective ...so long as most of the reviews say the battery is good enough, that's all I care about. First-hand reviews from users are always the best because I know everyone isn't just trying to sell me a phone . As far as the LEDs being unusable when not rooted, that isn't a big deal for me. My current phone (Razr Maxx HD, xt926 verizon) has the LEDs and fantastic battery life through various mods, but is simply not cutting it anymore for what I need. I've never heard of the My Tracks app, so I guess it's a good thing since I didn't know it was broken lol.
This will be my first Nexus phone... I have the Nexus 7 (2012) tablet that is currently running CM12 nightlies, so I'm familiar with the "Nexus experience" and Lollipop already. I like it quite a bit, but it did take a little getting used to. I was very much planning on unlocking and rooting the N6 immediately, but I'll play with it a bit and enjoy the stock experience first.
@vormund Do you like T-Mobile, now that you switched from Sprint?
@RW-1 Can you explain the encryption you're talking about a little more? This is the first I've heard of it.
Again, thanks everyone for the replies. I'm pretty much sold on the phone at this point.
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I am currently using MeanPop 2.11 on my Nexus 6 and it has a blinking LED light for notifications, a blinking red light for while your phone is charging and a green light for when the device is fully charged. I had the phone a couple of hours tops before I rooted it, so I can't really provide an opinion on the device out of the box. My brother is using a non-rooted Nexus 6 and he loves it as well. We both came from the Note Edge, but enjoy the Nexus 6 more than any device we have used up to this point. Out of the box, the device is encrypted (which some people have stated that their performance suffered compared to being unencrypted). You can easily unlock the phone and decrypt it. There is a solid guide for this in the development section. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or ask them here and I'll assist where I can.

slimc84 said:
I am currently using MeanPop 2.11 on my Nexus 6 and it has a blinking LED light for notifications, a blinking red light for while your phone is charging and a green light for when the device is fully charged. I had the phone a couple of hours tops before I rooted it, so I can't really provide an opinion on the device out of the box. My brother is using a non-rooted Nexus 6 and he loves it as well. We both came from the Note Edge, but enjoy the Nexus 6 more than any device we have used up to this point. Out of the box, the device is encrypted (which some people have stated that their performance suffered compared to being unencrypted). You can easily unlock the phone and decrypt it. There is a solid guide for this in the development section. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or ask them here and I'll assist where I can.
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That solves the LED issue. I will probably decrypt the device since I don't know why I would need it encrypted. Thank you. I will definitely message you with any questions, but I won't have the phone until closer to the end of April (24th or so), so it will be a bit yet. I'm just glad the phone is shaping up to be as great as I am expecting it to be.
Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of leaving the phone encrypted?

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@vormund Do you like T-Mobile, now that you switched from Sprint?
@RW-1 Can you explain the encryption you're talking about a little more? This is the first I've heard of it..
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T-Mobile has been equal-to-or-better than Sprint in Tucson, AZ... their customer service is dreadful (store reps are absolutely useless), but if you're persistent, you usually come out alright - which I'm happy to do with the difference in cost (+$10 to join my sister's plan versus $30+ for Sprint's split... among the other (contract, discount, etc.) considerations! Data is hit-or-miss on the outskirts of the city, but so is Sprint (and ATT)...Verizon seems to have solid service out there, though...(then again, you pay for it!)...
Data speeds are almost always slower when compared to Verizon (a friend with Verizon did some speed tests with me...we're both usually LTE, but he'd consistently get 3-4x faster speeds...this probably varies greatly by locale and their networks), but it's sufficient for me. If you're one to watch Netflix or download a ton, it'll probably be quite the downgrade.. but me - I'm on wireless for any big data usage, so network-wise, I'm just mapping, a little music streaming, geo tracking and such.
Encryption: For the extra paranoid or those with ultra-sensitive information on their phones, perhaps?
I suspect it would make things a little more difficult for law enforcement, too... depending on backdoors and such? Actually, yeah, that looks to be the case!
After seeing the speed comparisons, I'd definitely switch over now, even though the phone is fast-as-can-be as it is, ha. One of these days maybe... but for now, it's a few more minutes in a already-crazy day.
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I am currently using MeanPop 2.11 on my Nexus 6 and it has a blinking LED light for notifications...
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Thanks great to know, thanks for the info! +1 for a custom ROM. I think the reason Lightflow can't do it directly - with rooted stock - as it'd have to keep the phone awake. There well may be ways around that by now... I just wish they'd enable direct access without (there's just no good reason to take away a hardware feature... disabled by default, but come on! ).

vormund said:
T-Mobile has been equal-to-or-better than Sprint in Tucson, AZ... their customer service is dreadful (store reps are absolutely useless), but if you're persistent, you usually come out alright - which I'm happy to do with the difference in cost (+$10 to join my sister's plan versus $30+ for Sprint's split... among the other (contract, discount, etc.) considerations! Data is hit-or-miss on the outskirts of the city, but so is Sprint (and ATT)...Verizon seems to have solid service out there, though...(then again, you pay for it!)...
Data speeds are almost always slower when compared to Verizon (a friend with Verizon did some speed tests with me...we're both usually LTE, but he'd consistently get 3-4x faster speeds...this probably varies greatly by locale and their networks), but it's sufficient for me. If you're one to watch Netflix or download a ton, it'll probably be quite the downgrade.. but me - I'm on wireless for any big data usage, so network-wise, I'm just mapping, a little music streaming, geo tracking and such.
Encryption: For the extra paranoid or those with ultra-sensitive information on their phones, perhaps?
I suspect it would make things a little more difficult for law enforcement, too... depending on backdoors and such? Actually, yeah, that looks to be the case!
After seeing the speed comparisons, I'd definitely switch over now, even though the phone is fast-as-can-be as it is, ha. One of these days maybe... but for now, it's a few more minutes in a already-crazy day.
Thanks great to know, thanks for the info! +1 for a custom ROM. I think the reason Lightflow can't do it directly - with rooted stock - as it'd have to keep the phone awake. There well may be ways around that by now... I just wish they'd enable direct access without (there's just no good reason to take away a hardware feature... disabled by default, but come on! ).
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A wakelock is triggered with the flashing LED even in the custom Rom (burns 1-2% per hour that the LED is flashing). It's definitely worth having though. The ROM is solid and I haven't had a single issue with it yet.

After reading the benchmarking for encryption vs decryption, I'm definitely decrypting the phone when I get it. I'm not overly worried about the LEDs (does seem weird though that it's not like all of the other android phones I've had, where they just work, regardless of ROM). I'm in the middle of the East Coast where (according to coverage maps) 4G is more available, so I'll definitely run some speed tests and see how T-mobile's data speeds stack up on this side of the country. I really just need a fast browser with good, stable internet speeds. I won't complain if it's faster than 3G.

this will most likely be my last nexus device

i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.

You sure something isn't wrong with your device?
My Nexus 6 pretty much smokes the Galaxy S6 I had in terms of smoothness.
Battery life is pretty good but does leave something to be desired, but remember.. this screen is huge and it takes some power to push all the pixels on this huge Quad HD screen. On top of that, we are still in the early days of phones having Quad HD displays. I think some software updates will help with battery life in the future.

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i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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You need to root install benzo as a rom and either zen, vindicator or hells as your kernel

ford12acing said:
i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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Sure, the heavier the OEM layer is the faster the device will be, this is common knowledge. Please hold on to this feeling and get another device. We have plenty of winers allready :silly:

I was also very disappointed with the battery life of my Nexus 6. It was then giving me some major problems (It would turn off very frequently and not turn on until it was plugged in, even at 100% battery). I then RMA'd it and my replacement Nexus 6 has way better battery life (5+ SOT instead of 3 or less). I'd recommend RMA'ing it if you're having issues because this phone is blazing fast and a great device.

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I was also very disappointed with the battery life of my Nexus 6. It was then giving me some major problems (It would turn off very frequently and not turn on until it was plugged in, even at 100% battery). I then RMA'd it and my replacement Nexus 6 has way better battery life (5+ SOT instead of 3 or less). I'd recommend RMA'ing it if you're having issues because this phone is blazing fast and a great device.
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Try rooting the phone and use for instance Greenify or Servicely to slumber apps/services when they are not needed. A custom kernel stretches batterylife too in my xperience.

1. Mine isn't slow at all, it's as fast if not faster than the G3.
2. Why are you expecting Wi-Fi calling?
3. *shrug* my experience is completely different
4. I don't know what people are doing to get poor battery life with this phone. I've done no optimizations and I work 8-10hrs while my phone is jumping between poor 3G/LTE. I unplug around 8am and get home with usually 60% battery left.
5. What do I think? This isn't the phone for you. Enjoy your Samsung. If you haven't tried the G3, you should.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but did we need another thread on this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-worst-phone-google-t3094624
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-issues-thread-t2946743
You said you're on Sprint so:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-sprint-users-thread-t2949996
You also could have posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/google-nexus-6-t3077130
Thanks.

OP,
Don't really know what to say to you, other than my experience was the complete opposite. I had the Note 4 for exactly 2 days before I got sick of the lag, bloat, and ridiculously cluttered settings page and returned it. My N6 is so fast that it's becoming annoying to use my 2nd gen ipad because of how slow it it.

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You need to root install benzo as a rom and either zen, vindicator or hells as your kernel
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Stock is quite speedy unencrypted.

i've got my phone rooted, but im not going to install a custom rom or kernel. i love android over ios, but im just disappointed with this device. As far as the g3, i've messed around with the device and it too lags. i had a g2 and it lags as well. actually speedwise, i would say my n6 is on par with my old g2, which was crap. yeah samsung has bloatware, and i used a different launcher because i couldn't stand touchwiz, but man, im surprised that out of the box, it ran faster than my nexus 6. my tab s 8.4, which i just upgraded to lollipop, that also has touchwiz, is running significantly faster than my nexus 6. it's pretty unbelievable that a bloatware loaded version of android is running better than vanilla android. sometimes when im doing a google search, and the phone just freezes. sometimes i open an app, and it literally takes two minutes to open. doesn't happen all the time, but enough to be a nuisance.
i've been loading custom roms on my phones since the old galaxy s days, but im no longer doing that. too many issues with stability, battery life, etc. you shouldn't HAVE to load a custom rom just to have a decently running device.

ford12acing said:
i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.

adrynalyne said:
When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.
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i think may statements have been misconstrued. i don't like bloatware, and i do like quick updates. the features i do miss are microsd slots (i still think it's stupid for google to not include them on the nexus - set yourself apart from apple), and removable batteries. i wanted wifi calling because the nexus 6 is supposed to have it (at least on tmobile) by the end of q1, still not here)
don't misconstrue this either, i hate apple, but ios comes encrypted out the box, and it doesn't lag like this. has google not found a way to keep up with apple? so i have to sacrifice the security of encryption in order to compete with a crappy iphone?
btw, my galaxy nexus got better battery life than mine nexus 6.

ford12acing said:
i think may statements have been misconstrued. i don't like bloatware, and i do like quick updates. the features i do miss are microsd slots (i still think it's stupid for google to not include them on the nexus - set yourself apart from apple), and removable batteries. i wanted wifi calling because the nexus 6 is supposed to have it (at least on tmobile) by the end of q1, still not here)
don't misconstrue this either, i hate apple, but ios comes encrypted out the box, and it doesn't lag like this. has google not found a way to keep up with apple? so i have to sacrifice the security of encryption in order to compete with a crappy iphone?
btw, my galaxy nexus got better battery life than mine nexus 6.
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Yeah but you knew it didn't have an sd slot when you bought it. So if thats a reason to dislike it and you still bought it, you will have to blame yourself.
The wifi calling is a shortcoming of Tmo. Google had no intentions of writing that by themselves.
iPhone does very little I/O work. Of course encryption doesn't affect it. That said, you could have found a solution here to run encrypted with better performance too. You never looked it would seem. My daughter has an iPhone 6. I see nothing fast about it. Smooth, though Im sure some of it is covered up by long animations.
If your Gnex got better battery life than your Nexus 6, one of two things are happening here:
1. You are lying
2. This is a troll thread.

adrynalyne said:
When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.
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yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.

adrynalyne said:
Yeah but you knew it didn't have an sd slot when you bought it. So if thats a reason to dislike it and you still bought it, you will have to blame yourself.
The wifi calling is a shortcoming of Tmo. Google had no intentions of writing that by themselves.
iPhone does very little I/O work. Of course encryption doesn't affect it. That said, you could have found a solution here to run encrypted with better performance too. You never looked it would seem. My daughter has an iPhone 6. I see nothing fast about it. Smooth, though Im sure some of it is covered up by long animations.
If your Gnex got better battery life than your Nexus 6, one of two things are happening here:
1. You are lying
2. This is a troll thread.
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rofl, you assume im trolling/lying when i'm down to 37% by 12pm? right. god forbird i check emails, make phone calls, and listen to music/podcasts via bluetooth in my car. im constantly tethered to a portable charger because of this.
i knew it didn't have a microsd slot, i thought it was a worthy tradeoff for vanilla android and timely updates.
wifi calling IS a shortcoming of google, they were working with tmobile to implement it, and are going to use it with project fi. perhaps if you weren't a pretentious know it all, you would have taken 10 seconds to look that up.
if you think i'm just trollling, then pass on through buddy. im not sitting here begging for your advice or comments.

ford12acing said:
yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.
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1. Again, you did nothing to fix the issue. You can get better performance from encryption as well. My Turbo had no discernible performance hit encrypted, so that should be a clue to you it can be remedied.
2. Project FI has diddly squat to do with Tmobile's Wifi calling, which again requires Tmobile to get it done. Blame the Nexus of course.
3. Put them on equal footing and decrypt your data. No? Then don't make claims like this.
4. The thunderbolt would die within 4 hours of medium use on LTE. The Gnex in 6-8. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and tell you your hardware is messed up, though I doubt you have zero interest in hearing that.
PS. Have you ever looked in your cache? It spends 95% of its life empty. What did you hope to accomplish by clearing it?

ford12acing said:
rofl, you assume im trolling/lying when i'm down to 37% by 12pm? right. god forbird i check emails, make phone calls, and listen to music/podcasts via bluetooth in my car. im constantly tethered to a portable charger because of this.
i knew it didn't have a microsd slot, i thought it was a worthy tradeoff for vanilla android and timely updates.
wifi calling IS a shortcoming of google, they were working with tmobile to implement it, and are going to use it with project fi. perhaps if you weren't a pretentious know it all, you would have taken 10 seconds to look that up.
if you think i'm just trollling, then pass on through buddy. im not sitting here begging for your advice or comments.
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Yet you posted in multiple threads ont he same subject. Sounds like attention seeking to me.

ford12acing said:
yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.
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You just solved your own battery dilemma. 1) stop rebooting so much. I do it once every 24 hours.
2) stop clearing app cache so frequently. Each time you reopen the app, it has to rebuild cache, thus using more battery.
Bonus) Signal strength and reliability play a huge roll on battery life.
My Nexus is 100% stock, locked, and encrypted. I achieve 5 to 6 SOT with heavy use, everyday. I experience zero noticeable lag other than in Chrome. The Chrome lag is Chrome related, not Nexus related.
Have you ever tried greenify? Do you use the Facebook application? (Notorious battery drain) How many apps do you have auto-syncing? Is your location set to high battery use? Can you post screenshots of your horrible battery life? Evidence, please.

A Mod should close this thread. This OP is disgruntled because he spent his hard earned cash on something he doesn't like. It happens, sure, but why must you frustrate other people on this forum? My advice, stop arguing on a forum thread about a moot point and just sell your phone for something else.

Bad performance and other good/bad things (P10 Plus)

I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
These are really just my opinions, and you are free to disagree. Even I might change my mind if there are really good reasons to!
I might as well add that paid about $860 (in Norway) for my P10 Plus while Galaxy S8+ costs "slightly more" (about $1,000). I just feel like I got so little in return for the price I paid.
I have to decide by tomorrow anyway whether to keep this device or return it, and I am currently leaning towards returning it.
Thanks for any tips, advices, opinions, etc.
Good things:
Responsive fingerprint reader on the front side, unlocks screen pretty much instantly.
Has a nice shape (like an iPhone 7). No annoying sharp edges except at the bottom holes for connectors, where I support the device with my pinky finger.
Lots of camera settings.
My device luckily has UFS 2.1.
Pretty good WiFi speed (measured more than 200 Mbps during internet speed test).
The DAC's quality is okay (not very good). A little bit of noise when using my sensitive in-ear headphones, but it's very bearable. This is only a "good" point because it's an upgrade from my old phone.
Bad things:
I already found some sluggish menus on day one.
Somewhat bad performance when taking photos and shooting videos, even playing back videos I captured is somewhat choppy.
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
The swiping on the fingerprint reader is a bit of a hit and miss because it might register a tap which means "back" (or exit).
Photos taken and saved as JPEG look bad. RAW images look quite a bit better but it takes seconds to save each image.
My GFXBench result is pretty bad compared to other devices.
Nitpicking:
The edge of the screen protector is so annoying I want to take it off. Note: If you do it, you might want to apply oleophobic coating.
I wish the fingerprint sensor indentation was a bit less deep, because it makes the swiping motion feel less comfortable. The screen protector is probably most of the reason though.
I was never able to transfer app data (only apps themselves) from my old device using any method suggested by Huawei. The thing that did work was a backup/restore using adb.
USB 2 is pretty slow after getting used to USB 3.
The device sometimes thinks that I am using a knuckle gesture when I am using the tip of my finger.

sometimes very laggy also. And some apps not compatible with the camera.

Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..

nougn said:
Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..
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Camera send not so good to me, maybe I don't know how to use it

nougn said:
I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
Bad things:
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
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Pretty much this phone is unusable due these 2 things, battery life is poor as AF, and from my perspective, Huawei messed up EMUI 5.1 really hard.
Probably an update would fix it, but we don't have ETA yet.
I will return back the P10 Plus because I think is not worth it, and I will buy a Mate 9 Pro that is virtually the same device, but battery life is so much better.

@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device

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@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device
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This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.

Galaxo60 said:
when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
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One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it

Craphead said:
One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it
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Well, I'm talking about my room, which has air conditioning, and I just bought the P10 Plus and today I returned it back.
Problem solved, I got my money back, and I'm trying to see which phone to get, but pretty much I don' t like what I see in the market now.

Galaxo60 said:
This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.
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The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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Bromsoket said:
The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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Today I returned my P10 Plus, for me there's no excuse to pay so much for a phone that has basic problems.
I will see if I get a Mate 9 Pro or any other phone, but I'm kind of picky when getting a new device.

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Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.

nougn said:
Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.
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You should post your experiences in the battery thread, so it could have more visibility and people can start to acknowledge this, would be really nice from you to do it.
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Different screens
The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...

ludensen said:
The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...
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I'm sorry, but there is no way that the screen technology is the decisive factor between 3 and 6 hours SOT.

ludensen said:
adds to the difference
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decisive factor
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That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!

ludensen said:
That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!
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I understand your point, but still having AMOLED display means nothing in 2017. You can see the HTC U11 with LCD and has pretty goddamn battery life. You can have the normal Mate 9 with IPS and also has a really nice battery life. Right now screen technologies are really mature and it doesn't influence much (or at all) what kind is on a phone.

@Galaxo60
Point taken

Came from S8, I used it for a couple of months and now Im using P10 Plus.
Im more than happy now with P10+.

I have had my P10 Plus for about 2 months now and I can tell you I get around 5 hours of SOT with 1-2 of gaming. The battery stays at 100% for about 15 minutes regardless what I do and then begins to drop. Somehow form 70% downwards it starts to really slow its discharge rate. You might worry about this but the honest truth is that I can make it at the end of each day (around midnight) with around 15-20% battery left. For me this is more than enough as I recharge my phone every night.
I would suggest you stop worrying about your phone dying on you and just start using it. Also use Phone Manager once a day and you'll be good to go.
Hope it helps.

Anyone considering the V30?

I'm curious if anyone is considering moving to the V30? The better screen and newer processor does intrigue me.
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Absolutely! Dumping the g6 as soon as I can. I just hope that they fix the issues that the g6 has before releasing it.

brandonpa said:
Absolutely! Dumping the g6 as soon as I can. I just hope that they fix the issues that the g6 has before releasing it.
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What issues are you having?
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1. Well the first major issue is that I can't get this phone to connect to a 5ghz network, I know others can but for some reason my phone cannot (see screenshot). it finds them, but "disabled" them when I try to connected (yes I am using the right password to connect). The 2.4 connects, but I get random drops in connection all of the time at differing intervals.
2. I get dropped calls all of the time, even when I am in an area with full service and sometimes when I am on a call I can hear the other people fine, but they can't hear me at all. I had to disable VoLTE because the calls 'sounded' good but everything was digitized and half of the time everything was scrambled and unable to understand them.
3. Camera - I am still not quite sure why many are comparing this camera to the Galaxy S8 or Iphone. The pictures that I take with this phone are abysmal. The night photos are grainy and the day photos look great on this screen, but as soon as I look at them with a larger screen they are unfocused and unclear. I get it, I can switch to manual mode and mess around with the settings to make the pictures "phenomenal" as I have been told, but that takes time, and by the time that I have the right settings for a good picture, my wife's S8 could have taken 10 pictures that look so much better than this camera can take. (yes I have wiped the lens off, it is clean and I am using the LG camera program).
4. Battery: I had this phone since may, and I am lucky to get 12 hours on a charge (from 100% to 20%) with light duty usage. I know that is subjective and is affected by what programs that you use and how much you use the phone throughout the day, but on the Galaxy S6 Plus that I had, after a year I was still getting 18-24 hours on similar usage with the battery.
I know that I keep referring back to Samsung Phones for my examples, but that is the comparison that I have to this phone. I have used Sammy phones for the past 4 years and, personally, I wanted to switch to LG to get off of the Sammy phones because I am not a Samsung fanboy. They have their issues and those issues were big enough to cause me to switch to LG for this phone.
I have taken the phone back to the store and, of course, everything 'magically' works when I am there, so they won't touch it or replace it. Thus, I am dropping this phone as soon as I humanly can.
Thanks and I hope that you don't have the same issues that I have, as it seems people either love or hate this phone and unfortunately I hate it.
Brandon

brandonpa said:
1. Well the first major issue is that I can't get this phone to connect to a 5ghz network, I know others can but for some reason my phone cannot (see screenshot). it finds them, but "disabled" them when I try to connected (yes I am using the right password to connect). The 2.4 connects, but I get random drops in connection all of the time at differing intervals.
2. I get dropped calls all of the time, even when I am in an area with full service and sometimes when I am on a call I can hear the other people fine, but they can't hear me at all. I had to disable VoLTE because the calls 'sounded' good but everything was digitized and half of the time everything was scrambled and unable to understand them.
3. Camera - I am still not quite sure why many are comparing this camera to the Galaxy S8 or Iphone. The pictures that I take with this phone are abysmal. The night photos are grainy and the day photos look great on this screen, but as soon as I look at them with a larger screen they are unfocused and unclear. I get it, I can switch to manual mode and mess around with the settings to make the pictures "phenomenal" as I have been told, but that takes time, and by the time that I have the right settings for a good picture, my wife's S8 could have taken 10 pictures that look so much better than this camera can take. (yes I have wiped the lens off, it is clean and I am using the LG camera program).
4. Battery: I had this phone since may, and I am lucky to get 12 hours on a charge (from 100% to 20%) with light duty usage. I know that is subjective and is affected by what programs that you use and how much you use the phone throughout the day, but on the Galaxy S6 Plus that I had, after a year I was still getting 18-24 hours on similar usage with the battery.
I know that I keep referring back to Samsung Phones for my examples, but that is the comparison that I have to this phone. I have used Sammy phones for the past 4 years and, personally, I wanted to switch to LG to get off of the Sammy phones because I am not a Samsung fanboy. They have their issues and those issues were big enough to cause me to switch to LG for this phone.
I have taken the phone back to the store and, of course, everything 'magically' works when I am there, so they won't touch it or replace it. Thus, I am dropping this phone as soon as I humanly can.
Thanks and I hope that you don't have the same issues that I have, as it seems people either love or hate this phone and unfortunately I hate it.
Brandon
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Wow, that's crazy. I don't have any issues like that with mine.
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I've had mine replaced twice for dropping calls, so bad that the radio icons would literally disappear and reappear, dropping the call or WiFi.
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I was thinking about ordering a G6 today, but after reading about the V30 think that it may be the way to go. A lot of what made me reconsider was in this forum, and how much the G6 is restricted by TMo. I have a rooted LG G4 which has been fine after being fixed for the bootloop problem. I've just been bitter about having to put lineage on it.

Yes! I'm planning on returning one of my G6's via JUMP! and upgrading to a v30. Probably within the next month. I'm waiting for a good promotion and a few paychecks. But definitely getting one to use side by side with my paid off G6 & LineageOS G4.
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I'm just curious (new to LG - except for my Nexus 5)...
What makes you assume the V30 would be better than the G6?

AsItLies said:
I'm just curious (new to LG - except for my Nexus 5)...
What makes you assume the V30 would be better than the G6?
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I second this question. It'll probably be even more locked down than the G6, if thats possible.

I also ask the same question (despite wanting to dump the g6), to me it is the assumption that the fixed the problems that plagued the G6. Or it is just because i don't like the g6 enough that I hope that phone is better in 'any' way at this point.

I find that my G6 tends to lag a lot. I'm afraid the V30 will also since it has the same 4GB of memory.
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ledvedder said:
I find that my G6 tends to lag a lot. I'm afraid the V30 will also since it has the same 4GB of memory.
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I saw that as well. I also saw some reviews that despite the phone being very well made, the screen is junk? Anyone see or hear the same issue?

Not a chance in hell.
Worst phone experience I've had in years.
Camera glass cracked from what I can only conclude is expansion and not enough tolerance in the design to have a water resistant phone. I'm not alone in this issue by any means, LG refused to acknowledge it, instead screwing customers over for overpriced repairs. I appreciate that some users are rough with their devices and likely caused the damage but I baby my phones and this was not user caused in my case and no doubt many others.
Removing the ability to access root is a deal breaker for me. It's not that the phone isn't nice to use, and I don't need a bunch of niche apps.
It's quite simply that being locked down is IMO a deliberate move between TMobile and LG to limit any version upgrades that lengthen the life of a device and cannibalizes their 'jump' programs and phone purchases in general. This is evidenced by the fact that it's still on the very base 7.0 version of Android Nougat (no interest in giving customers the important Google incremental updates).
Oreo having been out for months, I doubt this phone will see it.
I tend to keep phone's longer than a year, my previous Nexus 5 was nearly 4 years old when I got the G6, and had I kept it, would be running Oreo right now instead of Nougat!
Fool me once shame on you..... Fool me twice shame on me. Not gonna happen.
Buying a pixel outright and chopping phone insurance and the jump plan costs from my bill.
YMMV - but you did ask for user opinions! That means the good and the bad.

I wanted the V30, and was waiting to get one but needed to add a line in late august for one of my kids so I got a pair of G6's for $500 on a bogo. Honestly, this might be the best phone I've had to date. I get great battery life, the camera is great, and the performance is great. I disable everything I can that I don't use and its been fine. Plenty of storage for me.
So with all that said, I just don't see there being enough of an upgrade in the V30. The quad dac will not do much for me because I stream my music from spotify. While the camera may be an upgrade, I'm not sure its $550 better after I use my jump. Screen is a little bigger and I think the minor gains in battery life will be negligible. Plus, the screen issues I'm hearing about on both the V30 and Pixel XL 2 have me thinking I'm just fine staying on the G6 with its LCD screen for a few more months.
Bottom line, I don't think its a huge upgrade for me especially when I factor in the cost. I'll be Jump eligible by next spring, May use it on the G7 or wait for the V40.

I was excited for the V30, but I read the LED screen is not great. Some say its good, others says it's terrible. Everyone agrees it's not as good as Samsung's LED screens. I own several Samsung LED devices, so I'll probably notice the difference. Maybe the later batches of the V30 (2018 build dates) will be better. The later batches of the G5 and G6 fixed some of the imperfections of the first batches.