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Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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I have great battery life with FroYo, running stock FroYo kernel, and all... I do have a few small bugs that were clear signs to me it was unofficial to begin with, and am excited for the official release to see if it polishes out those few minor issues.
All in all, though, 99.9% of if works perfect. Super fast, great battery life, and so forth. Radio seems to be about the same as all the others, I get good 3G when I have it, good EDGE when I am on that. I still say I get better reception than my G1 did, but that is just me and my testing at my Dad's house (death hole for cell phone coverage) and my basement (it is where my "man dungeon" is located). Beyond that, I always get good coverage no matter the phone, so it has been a moot point to me... speed wise, I always edit my GPRS and HSDPA to 12 and 2.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Why CM over MCR? Or Enom over CM? and so forth... personal preference is the likely answer. I like MCR since I have a pay account over there and can use his kitchens, thus making a ROM that is lighter. I like Enom because it is rock solid, fast, and great battery life (1.8.1 is best IMHO). I like CM because it is bleeding edge, fast, and while has its moments of instability, is still the gold standard for a full feature custom ROM, especially with all the extras pre-baked in. Desire has only 1 real option, Modaco.
And I like FroYo the most because it is new, super duper fast, good battery life, and I like frozen yogurt.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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MCR r15 for me runs soooo much smoother. I love CyanogenMod, as my sign indicates. LOL. After trying out r15 though I was hooked.
The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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I LOVE FroYo but can't tolerate the battery consumption. Sorry if it came off bias
I love FroYo and I want to keep it but... I have some problems that I can't live with.
1. Reboot phone, resets widgets and some installed programs on SD
2. Double messaging notifications (stock messaging app conflict with other apps, even if I disable notifications)
3. Miss the tweaks and stuff from CM
Still using it but urging to switch back until custom roms are out.
Not only am I keeping Froyo, I'm being FORCED to use my TMobile Nexus(2.2) instead of my ATT Nexus(2.1) because Froyo makes 2.1 feel like a slow crappy beta.
I cannot even get voice plus data at the same time with my TMobile Nexus, yet I use it because, imo, Froyo is that much better.
Going back to my 2.1 Nexus feels like a pre launch beta device that I yell at because it's so damn laggy compared to Froyo, which is fast as a bullet.
Please Google give us 2.2 so I can go back to my freaking ATT Nexus!
wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
Overall I loved FroYo, and had I realized the IP conflict before switching back to MCR r15, I would still be on it.
Well, I just solved two of my problems, it's not so bad now. Going to stick with it
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wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
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if I'd known the ATT version was going to follow so closely behind the Tmobile version, I would only have one as well. I just couldn't wait. I keep the Tmobile Nexus rather than sell it because if anything were to ever happen to my ATT Nexus, my GF will NEVER let me buy a third one. I've used up my smartphone quota for quite awhile
People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
For everyday use I feel Froyo is definitely slower than CM5.0.7 with pershoot's latest kernel. I used CM's quick rooter with Froyo so I was also OC'd for a fair comparison. I'm still going to keep using Froyo because it's fun seeing optimizations and themes etc slowly tickle out for the new Android build.
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People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
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I agree, to a degree, but there is no way most people are just caught up in the hype of a ROM. The assumption and assertion that custom ROMs are pointless is unjustified, and bias to your needs. I find the the enhancements custom ROMs bring can drastically alter my user experience in many ways. For example, MCR r15 runs circles around my stock ROM, in terms of speed, performance with games, battery life, etc. Prior to FroYo, these ROMs added the wifi/wired tethering, lower capacitive button fix (thanks kmobs), better battery life, smaller file sizes for installed system, homescreen rotation (which FroYo still doesn't do), trackball colors, and various other small tidbits. Now that FroYo is out (I wonder how much of what's in FroYo only came about due to the Dev community putting it out there, and Google taking notice.. hmm), I can only imagine what the Devs will cook up to enhance it even further.
Looking forward to the future Cyano ROMS based on Froyo no doubt but at this point in time Froyo brings everything I ever rooted for and gives me better battery life to boot. The dev community certainly had some influence in the features we see today in Froyo and for that I am thankful, don't mean to sound like i'm coming down on the devs. I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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Well, if you want a good example - I want the option to have sd-ext partition (custom, pre-Froyo Apps2SD). Firstly because many apps I have currently don't support moving to SD - and I'm "overbooked" by at least 50MB that I have to offload to SD card to have some space left on the device, and also because I like the ability to mound SD card without loosing access to applications.
I also hate it that I don't have direct access to hidden system menus, and even for changing the browser user agent I need to write "about:debug".
Those things keep me with CM5.0.7.1 until better times.
just currious what folks who have run both think? which one performs better?
At this moment Cm7 off course. If we get an official fully working Honeycomb then off course Honeycomb.
CM7, easily.
The HC ROM is cool, but isn't from source. CM7 is your best bet for everyday use.
CM7 is working great as long as you don't use the built in video/music player(codec problems, rock player is a fix).
Full market access isn't working either and some apps too(pandora).
Flash websites work great and the rom itself is very smooth.
HCv4
For everything other than video (which doesn't work stock in CM7 either) I use the Honeycomb emmc install.
HC is fast and stable for general web browsing.
This is just my .02
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Like everyone says CM7 is much more stable, and because of the nightlies we are likely to see most of the major issues resolved within a week, however once HC goes AOSP its a totally different ball game, for now CM7 is your best bet.
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Like everyone says CM7 is much more stable, and because of the nightlies we are likely to see most of the major issues resolved within a week, however once HC goes AOSP its a totally different ball game, for now CM7 is your best bet.
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CM have had Gingerbread for long enough to know how to tweak it, I'd expect it to take a while for Honeycomb to get up to the same level.
Any word on if there will be a version of CM7 that we can boot off the SDCard? Would be great for those who just want to check it out before flashing.
Another vote for CM7 or some type of froyo. HC ran waaaaaay to slow for me. Even non-technically savvy people were like "man, isn't that really slow..?"
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Any word on if there will be a version of CM7 that we can boot off the SDCard? Would be great for those who just want to check it out before flashing.
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I seriously doubt it. CM, as far as I know, is strictly off the emmc.
There probably won't ever be a CM7 from the nightly builds that you could write to a bootable uSD but it certainly should be possible to create one. It is even mentioned in the FAQ from the [USER] CM7 General Discussion thread.
Q: IS THERE AN SD-ONLY "BOOTABLE" VERSION?
Not from the nighty builds. However-- should someone want to create such a bootable SD-- (warning: Slightly technical answer all it would take to create one is a new uRamdisk file with the partitions in init.encore.rc pointing to the correct partitions on the SD card.
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I'd try creating one myself but I have too many projects going on and trying CM7 isn't really high on my list.
For right now, CM7 is fine. Once someone from this great community ports over the "real" HC, then I will be 3.0!!! Everything else will be obsolete!!!
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well my HC setup is about 95% complete(i have just a few market apps not showing up but its no bother) and a side from no HQ youtube and flash(which i can wait the xoom wont have flash support on release as well) it runs smooth off the emmc and its really stable so i recommend honeycomb
I have been running HC4 since it came out and love it. Quad scores of 1700. Same probs as other ROMs with no Flash and no HQ YouTube, but very stable. I haven't tried CM7 and prob wont just because I am at a good place witty my NC on HC. Can't wait for AOSP version! I don't think u can go wrong with either one, tho.
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I have spent the past couple days trying out all the available rom's that are in the dev section. I have tried HCv4, Froyo, CM7 and Stock.
I really liked honeycomb the best but for some reason a few apps I need were force closing on me, namely IMDB and Aldiko(yes I still use my nook primarily as a reading device.) I didn't spend too much time trying to figure out why they were closing, if anyone has an answer to that it would be appreciated as I will reinstall honeycomb in a heartbeat. At this point hopefully it won't be long until we see a new version based on the SDK so might be prudent to wait for that. I didn't run v4 long enough to judge battery usage so can't comment.
Next up CM7, I liked this rom as well but found it had high battery drain which kind of irked me a little, I guess not a huge deal but was annoying. I believe it is something to do with not going fully asleep from what I learned but reading through the threads, I am sure this will be worked out soon and this will be a viable option.
Next was latest version of the customized Froyo. This is another nice rom which I am currently testing out on my NC. All apps I have tried seem to work fine so far. It was a little tricky getting market working on the newest version. I think the problem is the newest version uses EXT4 for system/data but still wants to use EXT3 for cache and this seems to cause some initial issues. I think it could be resolved just by changing the cache mount command at startup to mount as EXT4, maybe this will be sorted in the next release. Other than that so far so good. Also I haven't been running it long enough to gauge battery usage yet. Also does anyone know if you can remove the softkeys app? Uninstall is greyed out for that app for some reason. I remapped my hardware volume keys to menu/back so I don't really need softkeys any more.
Lastly the stock rooted 1.1. I ran this for about a week(I have only had my NC for a little over a week). I liked the stock but found I didn't use the B&N factory apps much if at all so figured I may as well try some of the other versions out and this is what lead me on the adventure above. Battery usage seemed great on the stock 1.1 root. It would easily last me a 2-3 days with normal usage for me which includes a couple hours of reading during my commute to work and a little web surfing and such in the evening and possibly throughout the day at work.
For now I am going to run Froyo for a few days to see how I like it. If an SDK based Honeycomb comes out I will definitely try that and once the bugs are worked out in CM7 I may try it again as well.
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I'm running CM7, I'd love it if I could get Youtube to work period. It would be nice if I could get apps to stop force closing on me all the time too. Once these issues can be fixed I'll love me some CM7.
Another vote here for CM7 on the SD card. I'm not yet completely comfortable with flashing my ROM on the Nook just yet and I like trying out different builds till I find the one I really want to stick with.
CM7 sounds pretty impressive though, I'll admit.
I can see that CM7 has a clear majority of votes...but HCv4 has work flawlessly for me. I run the 1.1 OC'd kernel, and it is very fast and very stable.
I suspect it depends on what apps you like to run, and while I have installed quite a few from the market, I spend most of my "nook time" using it as a reader. I use the B&N reader. Kindel and Aldiko, and all three work perfectly for me.
Having said that, I also understand that not everyone has had as satisfactory an experience as I have. While it was not all that hard to get up and running, it was also not a simple "press the button" install. I used the first version of the flashable eMMC package that samuelhalff put together a couple of weeks back, and "way back then" there were a number of small tweaks needed to get things like ADHOC wireless & Market running.
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I can see that CM7 has a clear majority of votes...but HCv4 has work flawlessly for me. I run the 1.1 OC'd kernel, and it is very fast and very stable.
I suspect it depends on what apps you like to run, and while I have installed quite a few from the market, I spend most of my "nook time" using it as a reader. I use the B&N reader. Kindel and Aldiko, and all three work perfectly for me.
Having said that, I also understand that not everyone has had as satisfactory an experience as I have. While it was not all that hard to get up and running, it was also not a simple "press the button" install. I used the first version of the flashable eMMC package that samuelhalff put together a couple of weeks back, and "way back then" there were a number of small tweaks needed to get things like ADHOC wireless & Market running.
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Hmmm I tried out HCv4 last evening and had trouble with Aldiko force closing on me pretty much as soon as it started up. I got the Aldiko 2.0 logo and then it would FC. I tried both the Free and Paid versions. Did you have to do anything special to get it to work?? I also had the same trouble with the IMDB app. I would go back to HC in a heartbeat if I could get Aldiko working properly. I also use my NC primarily as a reader so Aldiko is very important.
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I haven't tried any of them yet, but it seems 2.2 or 2.3 or 3.0 have issues or are rough around the edges. It's understandable with honeycomb, but I thought by now there might have been a solid, stable 2.2 or 2.3.
Not complaining, but just thought something would be better than the stock 2.1 by this point. I was hoping for a speed increase with 2.2+ as there are some android git optimizations that 2.1 lacks, but yet I read that 2.1 for nc is still the most responsive.
Many people have reported much better bechmark scores with 2.2 and 2.3, and overall the feeling from those who run 2.2 or 2.3 is that they are more snappy than the stock 2.1. So far as being faster, the custom builds are probably generally better.
However, in terms of stability and compatibility it is my humble opinion that the stock 2.1 is still the winner. The CM7 build of 2.3 is getting pretty close, but still lacks some pretty important features. They will get there eventually...probably pretty soon....but I actually use my device quite heavily (at home and for work) and don't want to have to deal with 'minor' issues on a daily basis. I think that the Froyo build is going to fall out of favor - the CM7 build is better, more updated, and much more supported by the CM7 team with nightly builds. I am not sure about Honeycomb...haven't heard any real updates there in a while.
I am waiting for most of the wrinkles to get worked out for the CM7 version of 2.3. They do great work and if past performance is any indication once they get a solid and stable build it will be hard to beat. For now, my overclocked version of 2.1 does everything I want, is extremely stable, has very few software compatibility problems, and is certainly fast enough.
Thanks for the reply. You say the froyo build is probably going to fall out of favour over the cm7 build. Isn't the cm7 build based on froyo?
CM7 build is based on Gingerbread.
CM7 is based on 2.3 which is Gingerbread (Froyo is 2.2)
Confusingly, the upcoming 2.4 is also Gingerbread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history)
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As of this time, for day to day stable use, stock rooted. That's my opinion. Too many quirks and resets and "can't boot again" and other misc stuff that seems to randomly happen on the rest.
That'll change eventually, hopefully soonish, I would really love me some solid Froyo.
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I think that the Froyo build is going to fall out of favor - the CM7 build is better, more updated, and much more supported by the CM7 team with nightly builds.
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But right now the Froyo build is where its at. CM7 lacks working Youtube among other things. With the current Froyo build you get speed, working Youtube, and many working apps.
Stock rooted has no Flash correct? I think I'll be waiting until CM7 is finalized before I start rooting anything.
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But right now the Froyo build is where its at. CM7 lacks working Youtube among other things. With the current Froyo build you get speed, working Youtube, and many working apps.
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I have plenty of speed on 2.1 overclocked at 1.1ghz, my YouTube works just fine (the app that is), and I have yet to find an app I want that doesn't work that would work on Froyo.
Yes...no Flash...but from what I have heard the Flash on Froyo is far from perfect...a bit choppy at best. Actually, no Flash is not quite correct...there is an older version of Flash that runs on 2.1 (Flash 9.something)...so you can veiw some older Flash content on the stock Eclair.
To each their own...
Can't fine that damn grail ANYWHERE
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Many people have reported much better bechmark scores with 2.2 and 2.3, and overall the feeling from those who run 2.2 or 2.3 is that they are more snappy than the stock 2.1.
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It amazes me that people say this. Not saying they are wrong, I just wonder what magic nooks they are using that I don't have.
I've tried two different cards (a class 4 and a class 10, which really is class 10 fast) on two different nooks (mine and my wife's) and almost a dozen different install attempts of 0.6.7. and 0.6.8 and they have all been less "snappy".
It took me quite awhile to even get decent wifi speeds, and I still don't know what I did differently to get it right on the last install (different cards, different nooks, different wifi routers, clear-market-caching and clear-framework-data-ing till I'm blue in the face didn't do it).
I get back on my rooted BN1.1 eclair and breath a sigh of relief at the improved responsiveness and usability. Does anyone know what the secret sauce is to get froyo to REALLY feel better?
That said, I'm more than happy with the 2.1 nook; it's a great tablet and loads of fun. The dev community is fantastic and I've had a ball with all of the experimentation. Keep it up!
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I have plenty of speed on 2.1 overclocked at 1.1ghz, my YouTube works just fine (the app that is), and I have yet to find an app I want that doesn't work that would work on Froyo.
Yes...no Flash...but from what I have heard the Flash on Froyo is far from perfect...a bit choppy at best. Actually, no Flash is not quite correct...there is an older version of Flash that runs on 2.1 (Flash 9.something)...so you can veiw some older Flash content on the stock Eclair.
To each their own...
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Can I ask whether a 10-min youtube playback is choppy in your nc? Cause mine is choppy sometimes...
I tried nookie froyo and it was really slow. Stock rom is much faster and reliable. I've heard honeycomb runs much better than froyo. I've seen videos and it looks good. The only think i can complain about stock rom is the lack of flash player
I've tried stock rooted, sdcard froyo, and emmc froyo, and I've run into minor issues/flaws with all of them, but the current emmc froyo (for me, at least) has the least amount of problems and the speed over slow eclair and my class 4 sdcard made it worth flashing. It's currently my daily driver.
If/when official CM7 comes out with, I'll probably give it a whirl, but I'm happy with my froyo build right now.
Maybe it'll bite me eventually... But i just put froyo 2.2 on my nook, and it runs so much better off the internal memory
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Can I ask whether a 10-min youtube playback is choppy in your nc? Cause mine is choppy sometimes...
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I don't use YouTube much...but when I have used it I do not notice any problems. I am sure that it depends on the quality of the video, but I have played cartoon episodes that are several minutes long without any delays or playback problems.
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It amazes me that people say this. Not saying they are wrong, I just wonder what magic nooks they are using that I don't have.
I've tried two different cards (a class 4 and a class 10, which really is class 10 fast) on two different nooks (mine and my wife's) and almost a dozen different install attempts of 0.6.7. and 0.6.8 and they have all been less "snappy".
It took me quite awhile to even get decent wifi speeds, and I still don't know what I did differently to get it right on the last install (different cards, different nooks, different wifi routers, clear-market-caching and clear-framework-data-ing till I'm blue in the face didn't do it).
I get back on my rooted BN1.1 eclair and breath a sigh of relief at the improved responsiveness and usability. Does anyone know what the secret sauce is to get froyo to REALLY feel better?
That said, I'm more than happy with the 2.1 nook; it's a great tablet and loads of fun. The dev community is fantastic and I've had a ball with all of the experimentation. Keep it up!
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I agree on all accounts. I also have played with Froyo and Honeycomb on SD and have not personally seen the speed improvements others have reported. Perhaps it is better if installed to internal memory.
Definitely better installed to emmc. Been through Stock rooted, nookie 0.6.8, and HC. HC is sweet, softkeys and interface are great. but lack of key apps in the market is a bummer. nookie 0.6.8 ver 3 has been my everyday driver, no complaints over here.
I'm using cm7, nightly 7 and I like it better than stock. It does feel a bit snappier (but honestly I never had any issues with speed on rooted 2.1 so it could be in my head.) I know there's no DSP, but I don't plan on watching movies any time soon so that's fine for me. I like the UI alot...I like having built in copy/paste, I like having flash, and I like not having to worry about BN pushing out updates that could screw up my root. I'm only a few days into having used CM7, but as of now I'm really happy with my choice.
I've been running Honeycomb v4 2ed on a development Nook for awhile. I think it shows great potential! But the Nook I take with me is 1.1.0 with a 1.1ghz kernel. Fast, stable & very reliable.
I have to say. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Honeycomb AOSP drop! This thing is going to be Great.
I'm really enjoying stock 1.1 rooted. It has everything I could ask for in a value tablet and more. (Browsing, video, music, apps) The stability has been great...knock on wood. I was hell bent on buying an iPad before I purchased the nook color. I dont think I'll need an ipad, or anything else for that matter anymore.
Ok, I'm a little overwhelmed by the number of nook roms out there, and I would like to know what everyone uses and why.
I've tried 2, and they all have benefits/negatives and I'm trying to figure out which to be my daily driver, while we wait for the next generation of roms to come about.
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Ok, I'm a little overwhelmed by the number of nook roms out there, and I would like to know what everyone uses and why.
I've tried 2, and they all have benefits/negatives and I'm trying to figure out which to be my daily driver, while we wait for the next generation of roms to come about.
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well which 2 have you already tried?
I personally use CyanogenMod 7, but that's because I use it on my Droid, and that's because it's the first ROM I found when I got my droid.
I haven't had it crash on me yet, but there was a Wi-Fi problem I had to fix through ADB. (Link) Otherwise, it's been more than good enough for a daily driver. I really haven't had experience with other ROMs. I just flashed the thing with CM7 while I was still in B&N. I would recommend a Honeycomb ROM, but that's not very "complete" yet.
Sorry I can't say much else (), but I gave my $.02.
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I wasn't going to mention them so I could hear everyone's full opinion despite what I've tried and not hold back because I've tried it.
However, I don't want to be a **** so it's cm7 and HC v.4 now don't let that sway your opinions!
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I personally use CyanogenMod 7, but that's because I use it on my Droid, and that's because it's the first ROM I found when I got my droid.
I haven't had it crash on me yet, but there was a Wi-Fi problem I had to fix through ADB. (Link) Otherwise, it's been more than good enough for a daily driver. I really haven't had experience with other ROMs. I just flashed the thing with CM7 while I was still in B&N. I would recommend a Honeycomb ROM, but that's not very "complete" yet.
Sorry I can't say much else (), but I gave my $.02.
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I was having the wifi issues to (Atleast I assume it's the same, I would just lose connection and have to reconnect pretty consistently) the thing that actually bothered me most about it was the back and menu buttons up at the top right. To small, wanted a different more tablety layout.
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I was having the wifi issues to (Atleast I assume it's the same, I would just lose connection and have to reconnect pretty consistently) the thing that actually bothered me most about it was the back and menu buttons up at the top right. To small, wanted a different more tablety layout.
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Oh, no the Wi-Fi issue was much worse. I couldn't get the chip to activate! At least the fix worked, though.
If "too small" is the problem, increase the LCD Density.
If you want a more tablet-like layout, you will have to deal with Honeycomb in its current state.
If you don't like the CM7 buttons, use SoftKeys or Button Savior.
(I would post links, but I can't.)
I tried soft keys, but I haven't tried button savior. and didn't know about lcd density. If I go back (which isn't in my nature with roms) I may try it out.
I'm really liking honeycomb especially as far as layout, but I would like a bit more stability. But really I Can live with whatever, the nook is really my fourth internet device and currently just a toy.
constellanation said:
I tried soft keys, but I haven't tried button savior. and didn't know about lcd density. If I go back (which isn't in my nature with roms) I may try it out.
I'm really liking honeycomb especially as far as layout, but I would like a bit more stability. But really I Can live with whatever, the nook is really my fourth internet device and currently just a toy.
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The solution is patience, then.
Wait for the Google to give us the source, and all your problems will be solved.
(Don't forget that HC is a port of the SDK emulator image.)
well I knew that, that's why I wanted to know what everyone else is using so maybe I could try some other things out... during that wait it out time
Well... if you want to try a Galaxy Tab-like experience, try this:
Install Nookie Froyo
Set LCD Density to 250
Install ADW and set the app drawer to paged.
(Continue with other minor tweaks here)
i'm rolling nookie froyo 0.6.7, but i'm going to move up to 0.6.8 soon. i like it, but i'm sure honeycomb is much better. since the bugs in hc for the nook color are still being hammered out, though, i'm going to stick with the stable froyo rom for the time being.
dkabot said:
Well... if you want to try a Galaxy Tab-like experience, try this:
Install Nookie Froyo
Set LCD Density to 250
Install ADW and set the app drawer to paged.
(Continue with other minor tweaks here)
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Is this rom an actual port of the tab, or is it just made to look like the tab?
droiddoes69 said:
i'm rolling nookie froyo 0.6.7, but i'm going to move up to 0.6.8 soon. i like it, but i'm sure honeycomb is much better. since the bugs in hc for the nook color are still being hammered out, though, i'm going to stick with the stable froyo rom for the time being.
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Yeah this is kind of the info I was looking for, trying to see which roms had what features and still had the best stability.
HC is awesome, but not yet a daily driver (unless you're the adventurous type) I have a friend who is about to buy a nc for himself and he wants me to root it for him. I have no problems with a buggy rom for me, but for him I need stable yet best.
not sure where you are getting the idea that there are so many roms to choose from.
We have stock rooted, nookie froyo, honeycomb v3 and cyanogenmod (gingerbread).
there is one modified version of cyanogenmod -- firemod and one customized nookie froyo build. thats about it as far as i know... am i missing a bunch of roms somewhere?
you can try all of them out relatively quickly and form your own opinion but if you insist....
stock rooted is the most functional option at the moment. oc to 1100mhz for speed and other tweaks. nookie froyo is second with faster overall 'smoothness' but still has some bugs to work out. third is cyanogenmod which is quickly catching up to froyo and is my personal favorite. just needs video acceleration at this point. last is honeycomb but very fun to play with.
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not sure where you are getting the idea that there are so many roms to choose from.
We have stock rooted, nookie froyo, honeycomb v3 and cyanogenmod (gingerbread).
there is one modified version of cyanogenmod -- firemod and one customized nookie froyo build. thats about it as far as i know... am i missing a bunch of roms somewhere?
you can try all of them out relatively quickly and form your own opinion but if you insist....
stock rooted is the most functional option at the moment. oc to 1100mhz for speed and other tweaks. nookie froyo is second with faster overall 'smoothness' but still has some bugs to work out. third is cyanogenmod which is quickly catching up to froyo and is my personal favorite. just needs video acceleration at this point. last is honeycomb but very fun to play with.
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That might be all of them, it seems a bit more for anyone walking into this dev thread, with the internal and on sdcard roms.
But seeing them listed out like this is very helpful thank you!
Is there large differences between the customized roms and their noncustomized origins?
personally id recommend rooted stock rom. Ive tried nookie froyo and honeycomb v4. Froyo was really slow. It was really frustrating browsing with it. Honeycomb is much faster than froyo but a lot of apps dont install. Stock rom was stable and I wasnt able to install just a couple of apps that I tried from the android market
personally, i'm only adventurous to the point of rooting. after that, i want stability. i don't mind staying a release or 2 behind the most recent releases just so i know the issues are being dealt with.
with froyo, i'm able to use my own launcher and customize pretty much to my liking. i still don't see all the apps i want in the market, but there are enough forum posts here and on android central that link you to apk downloads so that you can install them through adb. i've seen some fixes for this, but it seems to be an issue on both froyo and hc. hope this helps!
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personally id recommend rooted stock rom. Ive tried nookie froyo and honeycomb v4. Froyo was really slow. It was really frustrating browsing with it. Honeycomb is much faster than froyo but a lot of apps dont install. Stock rom was stable and I wasnt able to install just a couple of apps that I tried from the android market
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I didn't like how much the stock rom seemed like, well a nook color which is great but in this instance I wanted to get a tablet!
droiddoes69 said:
personally, i'm only adventurous to the point of rooting. after that, i want stability. i don't mind staying a release or 2 behind the most recent releases just so i know the issues are being dealt with.
with froyo, i'm able to use my own launcher and customize pretty much to my liking. i still don't see all the apps i want in the market, but there are enough forum posts here and on android central that link you to apk downloads so that you can install them through adb. i've seen some fixes for this, but it seems to be an issue on both froyo and hc. hope this helps!
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With my phone, I'm less adventurous, I have calmed down to where now I only put release candidate and stable cm roms.
However I got this nook for a really really great deal (100$ plus the cover) and I want to try out whatever I can (and if possible help, though I have little to none coding skills) I might have to try the froyo build out since it's technically the only one I Haven't tried based on the above list (minus the 2 custom roms)
I kinda wish there was a customized version of the stock rom.
I guess the oc kernel counts?
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I kinda wish there was a customized version of the stock rom.
I guess the oc kernel counts?
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I actually just bought setcpu to try overclocking the kernals a little bit on my NC.
What would You customize about stock?
after flashing back to froyo i must say it is far better then I remembered.
maybe it's the newer kernels but it is fast and smooth. hardware video works which i was missing on cm7.
so i change my (current) order to nookie froyo, then stock rooted, followed by cm7 and then honeycomb. i would try them all though and see for yourself.
Hi guys,
I've flashed CM6.1 ROM (Froyo 2.2) to my Milestone a few weeks ago - and was enjoying it till one day I accidentaly hard reset and noticed that I have also removed the default launcher from ROM. So I had black screen and nothing appears after the phone was booted.
Well I could just have copied a launcher over from the PC, but I decided to restore my Nandroid backup.
To my surprise, the backup was the stock 2.1 Eclair ROM. So I was frustrated a bit to lose Froyo.
But after using Eclair 2.1 for a week or so, I have never enjoyed using the Milestone as much as this. It's fast and responsive, better than when I had Froyo.
I wanted to ask - is it true that Eclair 2.1 IS faster than Froyo, or did I flashed a slow Froyo ROM? In terms of memory management is great too. I can open more apps and keep them running than I can remember with my Froyo. With Froyo, I've encountered like foreground app close, and changing from one app to another will eventually killed the last app and had to load it back.
Or can someone recommend a very fast and good memory management of Froyo ROM for my milestone? Or it's really - Ok let's cut the crap and go straight to the point - Eclair that's leading in this race (and I've won?). Edit : The Eclair won!
I do miss the Flash 10 on Froyo... sigh, if only I can get it on Eclair still.
Thanks.
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Update: Well it's not a true-not-true anymore but it is TRUE that Eclair does run much faster than Froyo or Gingerbread. I'm using Telus 5.2 Eclair and I just can't believe the speed that I'm getting (it's like Milestone on steroid!). See my post on 2nd page. And no I'm not with Telus or related or what, but I highly recommend this ROM to Eclair users out there. This is definitely a keeper! I've also covered about the battery life and tempreture on the post on 2nd page. Have a read, and don't hesitate to flash Telus, you will never regret it. Now I am more hesitate to flash over to Froyo or Gingerbread even more after using it! Hey, I feel like I can outbeat a Tegra even
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Update: First of all I'm renaming this thread from "Milestone 2.1 Eclair faster than 2.2 Froyo" to "Discussion - Fastest 2.1 ROM for Milestone".
I saw some users asking about where this Telus 5.2 Eclair is.. so I'm providing the link here > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717377.
No I am not associated with the dev who made that ROM or whatsoever, and I am not duplicating the thread. Merely suggesting the fastest 2.1 ROM available (currently), for those who are not the 'wait and obey' users of Milestone, but to the 'commander' users of this device. Continuous discussions about which is the fastest 2.1 ROMs are still welcomed here, and of course, any ROM comparison discussions with other various versions (eg. 1.6, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0??) should head over here >http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029887
I haven't used Eclair in a long time but I remember how clad i was when I flashed a custom ROM for a first time (some Cm7 nightly) and on my case my milestone felt blazing fast even with bad memory management and I "promised" I never go back to stock eclair and have kept that promise. I'm now running FroyoMod 2.6.1b and this is probably the most stable rom I've ever had and if u haven't tried it then u should because it just might me the rom that ur looking for when it comes to stability and capabilities.
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Hey MakeW00t , sounds interesting. But fast alone isn't enough for me. Good memory management plays a vital role as well. I just hate to see vital apps (eg. navigational software) got killed just because I had to read my SMS or check a few things on the calendar!
Anyway, thanks for your recommendation. Maybe I'll flash FroyoMod 2.6.1b when I feel Eclair is not enough.
I've been through that before "I never go back to stock eclair" But now that I had it back.. I can't see any reason NOT to..
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Hi guys,
But after using Eclair 2.1 for a week or so, I have never enjoyed using the Milestone as much as this. It's fast and responsive, better than when I had Froyo.
Thanks.
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Same here, it is nice to have a PHONE again, and Eclair makes it real... Sad but true... I tried and tested almost all mods available on this forum (including official stock froyo update and Froyo Mod 2.6, which unfortunately also appears to be frustrating and sluggish after only 2-3 days of intensive use, without too much apps installed at all!)... must admit that my personal favorite is MIUI by lalit79 (recommendations, great job done lalit!), but after some serious stability/speed issues in latest version (overheating during battery charge, ext2/4 not working whatever method I tried, FCs), Eclair is the ultimate choice of the moment (I need a stable and reliable device, for calls and long bussines emails, no crashes or FC-s or reboots)... at least, until a new MIUI version is ready... If you already didn't, try rooting and overclocking eclair with milestone OC (@900/56) - it gives a nice final touch of ultimate speed and joy of "Phone Without Compromise" (and official froyo is one BIG compromise, if you ask me)....
cheers!
Hi mcekic. Well as a matter of fact I did OC my Milestone using Milestone Overclock to 1000Mhz, 69vsel. Battery life is ok so I guess I'll stick with it for a while (If not I will use your 900/56, should give me more battery life - logically).
I believe I have the same needs as you, to have a real PHONE again!
Don't get me wrong, Froyo does have all the extra functionalities (I miss App2SD and Flash 10 the most - but I heard that this is possible on Eclair as well? Havn't done my homework yet in regards to this) but in the end, all that functionalities goes to waste when the performance is sacrificed.
I have also OC'ed the phone to 1Ghz when I was running Froyo. But I think the main culprit is the memory management. It just can't stop killing apps, and when it does, the phone felt slow. I used Autokiller, that helped a bit, but Eclair still wins.
Now, does anyone knows the best Eclair ROM ? I need a naked ROM if available. Whoa now that would be super fast!
Guys, I think this thread would fit in this one very well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029887
Roms: Continuous comparison of milestone roms and updates
well s0ulreaver, now that you mentioned it, I do think this discussion would very well belong there.
Can any mod possibly merge this?
I think Froyo is so heavy for MS. But in another view, it's not too bad.
Did you try stock ROM from Motorola?
Except DSI, I think it's acceptable. You can run at 550MHz without any problem.
With CM6, I have to OC at 750.
But now I use it for daily uses, because it's very convenience.
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It just can't stop killing apps, and when it does, the phone felt slow. I used Autokiller, that helped a bit, but Eclair still wins.
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yup, went back to eclair after several froyo/gb roms (cm6, froyomod, miui, cm7).
our milestone just don't have the ram for anything more memory demanding than eclair
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Now, does anyone knows the best Eclair ROM ? I need a naked ROM if available. Whoa now that would be super fast!
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i tried stock 2.1 from moto germany but then switched to telus lite 5.2 with a gb skin. it runs smooth and stable like a rock and can handle multiple apps in mem (facebook, maps, opera and minor stuff like talk, gmail, etc at the same time).
besides the skin it is pretty vanilla and wields all the nice stuff like overclocking and the cache hack.
Eclair is the best. i overclocked at 800Mhz with 58 Volts. Its smooth and no bugs/issues. It never restarts and works just fine.
nowforever said:
I think Froyo is so heavy for MS. But in another view, it's not too bad.
Did you try stock ROM from Motorola?
Except DSI, I think it's acceptable. You can run at 550MHz without any problem.
With CM6, I have to OC at 750.
But now I use it for daily uses, because it's very convenience.
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You mean stock Froyo ROM from Motorola? No I haven't tried it yet, but I saw this guy here posted Froyo stock running flash 10.2 on his Milestone overclocked to 1.2Ghz and it runs great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCspAW8RzA
i have never saw flash video that plays so smooth on the Milestone - and am happy to see one! I'm gonna try Froyo stock when i have the time, but of course, I need to do a Nandroid backup first
What's a DSI?
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yup, went back to eclair after several froyo/gb roms (cm6, froyomod, miui, cm7).
our milestone just don't have the ram for anything more memory demanding than eclair
i tried stock 2.1 from moto germany but then switched to telus lite 5.2 with a gb skin. it runs smooth and stable like a rock and can handle multiple apps in mem (facebook, maps, opera and minor stuff like talk, gmail, etc at the same time).
besides the skin it is pretty vanilla and wields all the nice stuff like overclocking and the cache hack.
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Well, I believe you're an experienced custom froyo ROM user then. For me I didn't have the time to flash that many froyo ROMs to test. But hey, I guess you've saved my time by sharing your experience with it right
Cool, I should not be doing much this weekend so I think I'll make up some time to flash telus lite 5.2 - The most important thing for me is to have a reliable phone, and a responsive one as well. Based on your recommendation, I think telus lite 5.2 fits the bill. Will try it out and give my opinion on it later. Thanks!
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Eclair is the best. i overclocked at 800Mhz with 58 Volts. Its smooth and no bugs/issues. It never restarts and works just fine.
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Hey I was running on 1Ghz 69vsel, now trying 800Mhz 58vsel. Hopefully there is a noticeable difference in the battery life! Thanks hp13!
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Based on your recommendation, I think telus lite 5.2 fits the bill.
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btw: if you want a gingerbread-look on telus lite (as the default skin and fonts are ugly imho) try "better gingerbread theme for 2.1". just make sure you delete settings.apk and motocardock.apk in the skin update zip.
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btw: if you want a gingerbread-look on telus lite (as the default skin and fonts are ugly imho) try "better gingerbread theme for 2.1". just make sure you delete settings.apk and motocardock.apk in the skin update zip.
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Thanks, hey, as a matter of fact, let me try this on my stock 2.1 ROM.
A bit update on my 2.1 stock, when downloading big files over 100MB via browser and saving to SDCard, my phone will eventually be in the 'sleep of death' mode where it sleep and will never turn on again - unless I remove and reinsert the battery of course. Not sure what's causing this.
Update : It was my MicroSD card which been causing this. It's corrupted somehow or rather ...
Another issue is that when I record videos and battery is low, during the end of recording, the phone will hang. Tried this several times when the battery is low (about 15% charge left), and confirmed that is the issue - why? possible cause maybe not enough power to process / save these videos? Snapping pictures works ok. On some devices (especially Samsungs), camera and video function will be denied access when battery is low. I guess this could be the issue unless anyone else have not run into this problem before?
hmm now i really want to go back to eclair, cm7 is to big for the milestone
Indeed, Telus Lite 5.2 is the way to go. Very good stability and speed.
Darn... I've just flashed Telus 5.2 last Sunday and it's TRUE that this is the fastest ROM available for the Milestone!
I just can't believe the speed that I'm getting. I feel that I can outbeat a Tegra even! Hahahaha..
The phone (compared to stock 2.1) is also cooler when tethering. I used to get up around 46c - 57c, with the Telus I'm getting like 34c - 47c with wifi tether on.
In terms of battery life. After 13hrs 10minutes, my battery went down from 100% to 50%. Edge was turned on all the time. 15minutes of Wifi tether with HSDPA on. 30minutes of fb and websurfing. 15 minutes on Papago GPS. Some SMS and whatsapp plus yahoo messenger runnin all the time as services. Not bad.
Highly recommended for Eclair users!
AFAIK though, nobody has been able to get app2ext working in Telus Lite.
People have gotten app2ext work with stock eclair though. (1 of these days, I plan to go back to rooted, OC'd, GOT sbf eclair. I assume that app2ext will work as GOT is heavily based on the stock eclair sbf.)
I assume that app2ext will work as GOT is heavily based on the stock eclair sbf.
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GOT Eclair is Stock Eclair, it is a Leak of the official Firmaware. only change is the vulnerable recovery afaik.
rest of GOT specific modifications are applied through OR! was one of the best Eclair FW's i tried (for the first time my alarm and geolocation service were working ; )
Darn... I've just flashed Telus 5.2 last Sunday and it's TRUE that this is the fastest ROM available for the Milestone!
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yeah i tried Eclair too again, rly a difference in speed, but some features brought me back to CM6.
imo there are good reasons to go back and stay at eclair, but there are also good reasons to stay on froyo tbh.
+speed speed speed
+multitasking
+battery life
-no flash
-old google apps some can't be updated (gmail, youtube)
-no "2 finger Map Rotation Maps"