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I love my Captivate but 2 things bother me.
1) Why does the music player start every time I unplug the wired headset? I've tested and it's not running BEFORE I plug the headset in.
2) Why do so many apps automatically start in the background? I will use Process Killer to bring it down to 1 or 2 apps running and next thing I know, there are 7 or 8 and I haven't started any of them! This especially bothers me with the AT&t bloatware apps that cost extra to use.
Any info/fixes would be appreciated!
willyboy28 said:
I love my Captivate but 2 things bother me.
1) Why does the music player start every time I unplug the wired headset? I've tested and it's not running BEFORE I plug the headset in.
2) Why do so many apps automatically start in the background? I will use Process Killer to bring it down to 1 or 2 apps running and next thing I know, there are 7 or 8 and I haven't started any of them! This especially bothers me with the AT&t bloatware apps that cost extra to use.
Any info/fixes would be appreciated!
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1) I have never heard of this happening to anyone before
2) there are allot of applications and processes that have dependencies on other applications and processes - they will need to be running for your phone to operate properly.
Don't fall into the idea that you need to manage the memory on your android phone the same way you would a windows machine. unless you have installed a bad acting or poorly coded application your android phone will shut down what ever processes need shut when they need shut down all on its own.
The only reason you should use or need any kind of task manager or task killer is to check every now and then to see if you do have a bad acting memory/cpu hog causing problems. too many people use task killers have them running in auto without knowing what they are doing and a dependent needed processes get killed and they can't figure out why their phone acts so buggy.
Thanks for the reply
dayv said:
1) I have never heard of this happening to anyone before
2) there are allot of applications and processes that have dependencies on other applications and processes - they will need to be running for your phone to operate properly.
Don't fall into the idea that you need to manage the memory on your android phone the same way you would a windows machine. unless you have installed a bad acting or poorly coded application your android phone will shut down what ever processes need shut when they need shut down all on its own.
The only reason you should use or need any kind of task manager or task killer is to check every now and then to see if you do have a bad acting memory/cpu hog causing problems. too many people use task killers have them running in auto without knowing what they are doing and a dependent needed processes get killed and they can't figure out why their phone acts so buggy.
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Well then, Youtube running for no apparent reason at all would be a dependancy of exactly what?
Maybe the only reason YOU would need a task killer is what you stated above, I am using it to see what's going on on my phone and if I am in danger of ending up with charges I'm not willing to pay for. But thanks for the reply.
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Well then, Youtube running for no apparent reason at all would be a dependancy of exactly what?
Maybe the only reason YOU would need a task killer is what you stated above, I am using it to see what's going on on my phone and if I am in danger of ending up with charges I'm not willing to pay for. But thanks for the reply.
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Using it to watch what your phone is doing learn what's going on is a good idea - but I would avoid shutting anything down until you do know why or what process started it - if you shut them down without knowing why they are running then you will continue to see them restarted for apparently no reason.
As for youtube, if you had been recently browsing the web one of the pages you visited may of contained a link to a file your phone has associated with youtube. Also you may have installed some app that triggers youtube, but just killing it without knowing why it is running may keep you from finding out what is going on and cause some other unexplained strange bug.
I have seen more than one person have their phone go from being buggy to running well when they stopped killing processes and turned off any auto killing functions of their task killer/manager and just watched their phone run for a couple days while letting the phone handle shutting processes down.
But as far as watching your phone closely and learning what it is doing, I am all for this - at the same time I don't want to be promoting paranoid behavior - but being informed and having a good idea what's going on with your phone wil definitely make you more capable of trouble shooting if and when the need arises.
And just be sure to check you bill every month and see what your being billed.
I found that removing the AT&T bloat to be almost mandatory to have a great running phone.
Couple that with the custom ROM's found here - and the device is awesome. I have no need to kill any processes. I do open up System Monitor to see what is going on with the device - but that is the beauty of Android - you can actually see EVERYTHING that is running on it.. and based on any errant process - you can kill it.
But.. there are a million articles on if Task Killers are a benefit or a hindrance to your phone's battery life and performance.
Bottom Line - be smart with your phone like your computer... don't download a bunch of crap, watch where you browse, and keep an eye on your sys monitor to see how your phone is behaving.
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avgjoegeek said:
I found that removing the AT&T bloat to be almost mandatory to have a great running phone.
Couple that with the custom ROM's found here - and the device is awesome. I have no need to kill any processes. I do open up System Monitor to see what is going on with the device - but that is the beauty of Android - you can actually see EVERYTHING that is running on it.. and based on any errant process - you can kill it.
But.. there are a million articles on if Task Killers are a benefit or a hindrance to your phone's battery life and performance.
Bottom Line - be smart with your phone like your computer... don't download a bunch of crap, watch where you browse, and keep an eye on your sys monitor to see how your phone is behaving.
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Joe, where is the System Monitor?
I've not come up with the nads yet to root the phone and remove the bloat. I'm not in any hurry, the phone runs great. As I tried to explain before, I'm curious as to why these applications end up running at random, without my even touching the phone. I will clear all apps from running and lay the phone down and not touch it. On my last look, 2 messaging apps were running, Youtube, AT&T Navigator, Where's my Droid and Gallery. Bear in mind, I had not touched the phone. I just cleared it again and will look after bit to see what has started.
I am also looking for any theories as to why my music player starts when I pull the headset out from being on a phone call.
Although appreciated, I am not looking for opinions on what I should and shouldn't be doing with my phone.
Lol. I just to trying a piece of advice - I know it is your phone and you can do with it what you please.
But go ahead and keep killing processes without knowing what your doing and see if you have more or less strange buggy behavior.
FYI - messaging apps are generally coded to almost continually sync in the background - to see if you have any new messages and will restart every time you stop them - if you want to know instantly of any new messages they will have to run
Att navigator - att is trying to shove this app on you so they have it set to start any time your phone starts any locating process - and your phone will almost continually be trying to figure out its location
Wheres my droid - is either trying to figure out where it is or preparing to figure out where is to be ready to let you know when you ask - if this program did not have something triggering it to keep it running all the time it would be a pretty useless piece of software don't you think
Gallery - pretty much any media syncing process wil start gallery - and allot of media processes have some type of background media sync process
As for youtube - I'm not sure yet
Hey everyone, I'm not new to phone development work, I've been running custom roms for around a year now, but I'm new to posting so I can't put this in the dev forum where it would be more proper....
So on to my problem...
I rooted my Bionic last night to get rid of the Verizon bloat and to be able to load the 891/893 updates since I have a different SIM than originally so I don't get OTA updates.
I tried to run the R3L3AS3DRoot and 43V3R root method, and while it ran successfully, it didn't install superuser properly, and I couldn't make it update from the market. I downloaded the superuser update zip and tried to flash it using stock recovery, and that didn't work right. Had to clear the cache to make the phone boot properly, then I used the Pete's 1 click method to root, which worked properly, and I then applied 43V3R root.
I then used Titanium Backup to freeze:
Backup Assistant 2.3.4
Backup Assistant Client 1.0
Blockbuster 0.9
Citrix Receiver 3.0.60
City Caller ID 1.0.20
City ID 1.1.7
GoToMeeting 1.0
Guided Tours 2.3.4
IM 3.0.4.6
IM Presence 2.3.4
MOTOPRINT 2.0.0.38
MS Exchange Service 2.3.4
Tasks 1.0
V CAST Media Manager 4.4.1.0
V CAST Tones 4.5.16
V CAST Videos 5.72.008
VideoSurf 2.0.0
VZ Navigator 7.2.0.353
Since doing this, I have been having random lockups that require a battery pull to fix. The lockups happen randomly on the homescreen, or entering apps, although I haven't been able to pinpoint it. I'm not sure if it would happen anyway without launching apps, although I suspect it does. It has happened on messaging, Pandora, and several other apps that worked fine before. I have since unfrozen all the apps to see if it will still lock up on me.
Any idea what I screwed up?
Thanks,
-B
It seems to not freeze up now that I unfroze the apps. My only problem is those were on the "safe list" so I don't know what wasn't working right with freezing them...
The only reason I care about getting this worked out is because the data loss in 886 is KILLING me...
Thanks again,
-B
first and formost the issue you are stating does belong in the general section unless it is directly related to hacks roms development it belong in this section as this is technically a question and we don't have a q and a here this is the right spot for it otherwise a moderator would have moved it anyway..
seem like a different issue have you tried powering down. then pull sim card, power up wait for it to fully power up widget and what not. power down put sim back in power up that refreshes the phone and used to have the same issue and that solved it don't remember who found this initially but i worked for me so yeah..
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first and formost the issue you are stating does belong in the general section unless it is directly related to hacks roms development it belong in this section as this is technically a question and we don't have a q and a here this is the right spot for it otherwise a moderator would have moved it anyway..
seem like a different issue have you tried powering down. then pull sim card, power up wait for it to fully power up widget and what not. power down put sim back in power up that refreshes the phone and used to have the same issue and that solved it don't remember who found this initially but i worked for me so yeah..
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I haven't done that this time around, I didn't think that would help with freezing, I only knew it to help with data issues, and it did help me with that for a bit. I'll give it a shot though, can't hurt.
And I what I mean is I would have posted it in the thread on the root tools I used (not start a new thread), I feel like it would belong there more than here.
Thanks,
-B
If you want to remove bloat try using a custom ROM from the development section, rather than doing it yourself. I'd recommend Eclipse v2.1 RC1 to start. Terror has a good list of ROMs in the Dev section.
bfitzpatrickd2d -- It turns out that made it worse, now it seems to have sleep of death issues.
::NOTE:: I have un-frozen all apps, so it is theoretically back to stock + forever root.
tuckmobile said:
If you want to remove bloat try using a custom ROM from the development section, rather than doing it yourself. I'd recommend Eclipse v2.1 RC1 to start. Terror has a good list of ROMs in the Dev section.
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Yeah as I said in the OP, I'm no stranger to custom ROMs, I know how nice they are to run and how great the lack of bloat and speed improvements are.
My issue is that I want to have things working properly FIRST. I think it’s important to know what went wrong before using something as "heavy fisted" as a new ROM to solve the problem. Since all the apps I froze were supposed to be safe, and rooting this phone didn't seem to go exactly quite by the book, I'd like to understand what its issue is before going further.
It’s kind of like if your car is leaking oil, and your mechanic says to just put in a brand new engine. Will it work? Probably yes. Would it make the car better? Again, probably. The downside is that it’s a drastic solution, and wouldn't help you if say, your leak was in the oil cooler, not the engine itself. That’s how I tend to think of things.
Thanks,
-B
Damn sorry dude just trying help in what helped me
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Damn sorry dude just trying help in what helped me
Sent from my DROID BIONIC using XDA App
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Not a problem! Thats just one of those dangers that comes with the territory in messing with phones haha
I decided I'd be best served just using R3L3AS3DRoot to restore to totally bare 886 then work forwards from there again. I was trying to avoid it, but the crashing was so bad it would BSOD even with nothing running...
Oh well, shiny new faster phone coming right up!
-B
Not rooted yet a bit scarlet Samsung was a breeze compared to moto
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OG Droid with Liquid Smooth 3.2 (same problem with 3.1). I haven't tried many other roms, so I don't know if this is a problem with my hardware (the phone is refurb and only 1 month old) or if I installed something that is breaking things.
The issue: If I receive a call the phone will allow me to answer (move slider) but then lock so that the call is in speaker phone mode (or at least very loud) and I cannot control anything on the screen. The power button will turn off the screen, but that's it. The other person apparently cannot always hear me, so I don't know if the mic is working at that point. If I let the call end, the phone does not recover. The only way to recover seems to be to pull the battery.
Last time this happened, the caller could hear me so I let the call end. After a minute or two, com.android.phone popped a force close message. A minute later, another app popped a force close. It did not recover even after an hour or so. Battery reset worked.
This issue is not consistent. It occurs maybe 1 out of 20 incoming calls. I had the issue on LS3.1, so I upgraded to LS3.2. Same issue. I can try another rom (CGM7.x), but I really like LS so I'd like to see if there is a resolution.
Is there a log mode I can enable to see if something consistent happens when the phone locks? I have a task killer installed. Could that be an issue? I'm not doing anything that I would have thought could be considered challenging for the phone (answering a phone call), so I'm not sure what to check.
I had this problem often on my droid 1. I ran CM7 nightlies and Prime's kernel at 1.1GHz.
Mostly it happened while I was doing other things with the phone. I think it was due to low RAM.
If you check settings - manage applications - running, how much free RAM do you have?
I usually had 40-50MB free and that wasn't enough.
Ditch whatever you can from your apps and OS to free some up.
TiBU allows you to chuck a lot of system stuff that's not really needed.
I would still be on my OG if it weren't for this problem, so I hope you find a solution that works for you.
A lot of people are on Steeldroid with the droid 1. It's still getting updates. Maybe try that.
-CM7 on DInc2
In general, this happens when the phone is just sitting there (nothing but the regular system stuff running essentially). The last time this happened where the force close messages appeared I had the web browser open. I hadn't considered ram, but that's a good possibility. I do have Advanced Task Killer running as a service, so perhaps that is related.
With ATK non running, it says I have 115MB used/64MB free. 15MB of this used memory is for settings.
With ATK running, it claims 68-79 free (it's set up to kill tasks since I was worried about memory hogs originally).
I'll look into Steeldroid. Like I said, this is a new phone. What I didn't say is that my wife got it for me to see if I would use a smart phone (was on an old lg texting phone before and this thing is physically much larger). She got it for super cheap, so if I have to go with something different, that wouldn't be the end of the world. If that were the path forward, can you recommend a couple good options with full slide out keyboards?
Thanks!
I dunno, I loved the physical keyboard on my old OG, but I left it behind when I jumped moto for HTC.
D2, D3, and D4 are supposed to be great improvements over the D1.
I see the dev for Steeldroid has a D3 version that's up to date. Maybe look for one of those?
I've always been a Motorola fan. Maybe I should have stuck with them, but I figured I'd have to get used to screen keyboards at some point...
I'd say try Steeldroid on your OG first, get a good kernel to go with it, ditch the task killer and let android handle it. See if that helps.
Good luck! B-)
-CM7 on DInc2
Comparing my rooted phone with deodexed stock ROM to my friend's unrooted phone (both bought at same day);
Somewhat mine is slower..
Youtube app opens up extra slowly, and the rest are always a bit from behind comparing to his..
I'm aware that I might overloaded my phone with the root and the millions of MODs I've plugged into it..
But I still wanna get the best out of it without compromising on features..
So like theres a way to Logcat an app to see what's going on..
Is there a way to do the same to the phone to see who is slowing him down the most?
To locate the red spot that sinks my phone's speed down?
If you know any way for that (for experts and for noobs - both welcome - I'll learn to read it) I'd be honored if you could share with me..
Thanks ahead,
Yarden.
I was given an 8gb Fire 7 5th gen I guess from the Black Fridays deals for xmas. What I would like to do is run it mostly as a digital calender, so keep it plugged in, running and having it display the calender most of the time only. Is this something I could do with it, easily?
Ideally I'd like to be able to touch the screen to wake it up, or have the calender events running on a screen saver somehow. I haven't even taken it out the box yet, but would pay to remove ads on the lock screen if I can get something set up so it can work that way for me.
Essentially I rely heavily on calenders over all my devices, as well as reminders, so it has to be linked with a google account.
Lifeformz said:
I was given an 8gb Fire 7 5th gen I guess from the Black Fridays deals for xmas. What I would like to do is run it mostly as a digital calender, so keep it plugged in, running and having it display the calender most of the time only. Is this something I could do with it, easily?
Ideally I'd like to be able to touch the screen to wake it up, or have the calender events running on a screen saver somehow. I haven't even taken it out the box yet, but would pay to remove ads on the lock screen if I can get something set up so it can work that way for me.
Essentially I rely heavily on calenders over all my devices, as well as reminders, so it has to be linked with a google account.
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This device could be configured to perform such a role but it would take some time to set-up (including a few 'hacks') and come with several caveats. Touch wake is not an option on this device (lacks hardware support) so the display would need to be on 7x24. There's also no ambient light sensor which could be an issue depending on your environment. Reliable Google integration requires rooting and a custom ROM...more work. Really depends how much of a project you want to make of it and the level of personal satisfaction after the last 'T' is crossed.
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This device could be configured to perform such a role but it would take some time to set-up (including a few 'hacks') and come with several caveats. Touch wake is not an option on this device (lacks hardware support) so the display would need to be on 7x24. There's also no ambient light sensor which could be an issue depending on your environment. Reliable Google integration requires rooting and a custom ROM...more work. Really depends how much of a project you want to make of it and the level of personal satisfaction after the last 'T' is crossed.
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Thank you for replying. I had a think about it yesterday, and just having a read around, I decided to root it to stop OTA updates as I was on 5.0.1 I think, so I did that, then the guide went on to say about flashing a rom, so I figured why not and did that too :$
After a few problems, first being that I couldn't get the flashfire to work from the rootjunky site, I found the one included with the super tool and installed that through the computer. Flashing appeared to be fine, and it loaded into SlimLP fine. But it seems google play etc didn't get installed. After a lot of head scratching and trying to install apk's etc, I figured to reflash it and see what happened. This was a little problematic as now I couldn't connect via usb to do flashfire, so I eventually copied it over via sd card, and installed the apk that way, just reflashed the OS again and a google one, and this time play is there, working.
So I now have a fire running SlimLP saying its model number: KFFOWI, Android 5.1.1. And it's lovely. I have another fire 7 that I do use as a tablet now, and I wish I could do the same to that one, cept it OTA updated on it to fire os 5.3.2.1, and I guess I can't from reading around. It's stuttery compared to the newly flashed one. Oh well. I guess now I need to investigate calender apps, or lock screen widgets to give me what I want.
Thank you for reply, I read it, then though crikey that does sound complicated, however once I looked at locking down the OTA updates to at least allow me to do it later If I wanted, it kind just followed on.
Lifeformz said:
Thank you for replying. I had a think about it yesterday, and just having a read around, I decided to root it to stop OTA updates as I was on 5.0.1 I think, so I did that, then the guide went on to say about flashing a rom, so I figured why not and did that too :$
After a few problems, first being that I couldn't get the flashfire to work from the rootjunky site, I found the one included with the super tool and installed that through the computer. Flashing appeared to be fine, and it loaded into SlimLP fine. But it seems google play etc didn't get installed. After a lot of head scratching and trying to install apk's etc, I figured to reflash it and see what happened. This was a little problematic as now I couldn't connect via usb to do flashfire, so I eventually copied it over via sd card, and installed the apk that way, just reflashed the OS again and a google one, and this time play is there, working.
So I now have a fire running SlimLP saying its model number: KFFOWI, Android 5.1.1. And it's lovely. I have another fire 7 that I do use as a tablet now, and I wish I could do the same to that one, cept it OTA updated on it to fire os 5.3.2.1, and I guess I can't from reading around. It's stuttery compared to the newly flashed one. Oh well. I guess now I need to investigate calender apps, or lock screen widgets to give me what I want.
Thank you for reply, I read it, then though crikey that does sound complicated, however once I looked at locking down the OTA updates to at least allow me to do it later If I wanted, it kind just followed on.
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Great! A couple footnotes:
- being one of the lucky few with a 5.0.1 bootloader you can boot a custom/full recovery like TWRP as a alternative to FlashFire (from fastboot ready: 'fastboot boot <image_name>')
- the build of SlimLP for this device has not seen much love since originally posted; you may want to consider a ROM that sees more frequent updates
Post back if you need/want further info on either topic.
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Great! A couple footnotes:
- being one of the lucky few with a 5.0.1 bootloader you can boot a custom/full recovery like TWRP as a alternative to FlashFire (from fastboot ready: 'fastboot boot <image_name>')
- the build of SlimLP for this device has not seen much love since originally posted; you may want to consider a ROM that sees more frequent updates
Post back if you need/want further info on either topic.
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Can I do a bootloader after using flashfire? Also I considered a CM rom, vaguely recall using one for an Orange san fran years ago, but wasn't sure on latest, or best and it seems that I can't connect things like supertool through usb now, so could I do a CM rom on top of what I have already using flashfire, or would I need to do something else? I seem to remember having to do an XP machine to do the San Francisco phone way back as it wouldn't connect any other way
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Can I do a bootloader after using flashfire? Also I considered a CM rom, vaguely recall using one for an Orange san fran years ago, but wasn't sure on latest, or best and it seems that I can't connect things like supertool through usb now, so could I do a CM rom on top of what I have already using flashfire, or would I need to do something else? I seem to remember having to do an XP machine to do the San Francisco phone way back as it wouldn't connect any other way
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The CM 12.1 adaptation for this device is excellent; no worries there. I strongly recommend using (booting) TWRP for all future ROM updates. FlashFire is a great tool for those that do not have another option. You do! FlashFire will also work if you can not establish a USB connection.
If you opt to switch ROMs be sure to wipe the system and data (aka app/user) partitions before flashing the new image.
I re-did it all and now have CM 12.1 on it, however I've stalled beyond this as it's a far nicer tablet to use over my non-fiddled with Fire 7. So I'm now using the new one as my main tablet, and will stick the other one, wifi off, in the drawer and sit and wait to see if a roll back is available, or new method to root and flash comes along.