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I was just wondering with more and more Android phones coming out for non HTC phones are you guys going to just stick with HTC or go to those phones to? So i know with some of those dev's i follow if i should just buy HTC since they are or are they going to go else where? Thank You.
-No flamming necessary as this is a question i know a couple people have.
Sorry for posting this here, but I couldn't really find a suitable place since most of the Android action is right here.
These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
EDIT: If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?
my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
jaaronmoody said:
my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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It's a start. But I don't think xda is going to put up more sub forums for each new device out there. Thus, development and ROM threads for Motorola and other devices will be left out. Unless I understood your post incorrectly
no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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Yea that's exactly my point.
There WILL be a flood of Android devices from all kinds of manufacturers and it would be nice if there was a place for all of them come together. That way, everyone can keep track of specific development without having to switch between dozens of forums.
My $0.02.
good luck, my friend. Most likely it will take someone to else to start a new site to accomplish. funny, i was fooling around a couple days ago and did this. http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=176593179336&v=wall
not saying this is the solution, but you are not alone in your concerns.
I see that a few agree with me, care to share your point of view? Maybe it will spark this thing.
HTC are reviewing the locked bootloader policy.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
and ...
http://wakeuphtc.blogspot.com/
If this works, it'll be the best rhing htc did in a long time.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App
This is a post to shut up the masses stay loud my friends, stay loud until they clearly state that they will unlock those bootloaders
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Jbcarrera said:
This is a post to shut up the masses stay loud my friends, stay loud until they clearly state that they will unlock those bootloaders
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I don't thinks so. This statment even more gives power to our voices. Look at Google and see a lot of big tech forums like "androidpolice" refer to.
Well they had better, i dont want to be moving to samsung, HOWEVER, push comes to shove and no root for my currently s-on incredible s? it will be done :/
I think it is time to let companies know the power of the pro-user. I am constantly recommending people against buying an HTC. They trust me for all their review. On every forum, we must absolutely not recommend anyone an HTC. All of it can be done without lying.
Example:
n00b question: "hey, should I buy the HTC sensation?"
Reply: "No. The bootloader is locked. You'll only be able to run what HTC wants you to run. You either buy a Samsung, or simply get an iPhone."
Yes, the opinion is slightly biased, and hides some information (like the user might never need root). However, as someone who has the privilege of recommending devices to others - How much I disclose, and how neutral I should be, is not covered by the any covenant. So.. screw you HTC. Everyday, I'll try and persuade, at least, one person to not buy an HTC - till you unlock!
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I think it is time to let companies know the power of the pro-user. I am constantly recommending people against buying an HTC. They trust me for all their review. On every forum, we must absolutely not recommend anyone an HTC. All of it can be done without lying.
Example:
n00b question: "hey, should I buy the HTC sensation?"
Reply: "No. The bootloader is locked. You'll only be able to run what HTC wants you to run. You either buy a Samsung, or simply get an iPhone."
Yes, the opinion is slightly biased, and hides some information (like the user might never need root). However, as someone who has the privilege of recommending devices to others - How much I disclose, and how neutral I should be, is not covered by the any covenant. So.. screw you HTC. Everyday, I'll try and persuade, at least, one person to not buy an HTC - till you unlock!
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I feel the same way
HTC- YOU LOCK WE WALK!!!!
eternalhate said:
I think it is time to let companies know the power of the pro-user. I am constantly recommending people against buying an HTC. They trust me for all their review. On every forum, we must absolutely not recommend anyone an HTC. All of it can be done without lying.
Example:
n00b question: "hey, should I buy the HTC sensation?"
Reply: "No. The bootloader is locked. You'll only be able to run what HTC wants you to run. You either buy a Samsung, or simply get an iPhone."
Yes, the opinion is slightly biased, and hides some information (like the user might never need root). However, as someone who has the privilege of recommending devices to others - How much I disclose, and how neutral I should be, is not covered by the any covenant. So.. screw you HTC. Everyday, I'll try and persuade, at least, one person to not buy an HTC - till you unlock!
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Count of people I got to buy non HTC phones = 12 and counting
I love sense. The only reason I say no is the boot loader. Free our phones. Now!
cooljais said:
If this works, it'll be the best rhing htc did in a long time.
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Actually, it'll just be undoing the worst thing they've done in a long time.
I wrote a two page letter to HTC today one part with personal data and why the S-ON device is not good for me and the other part from the example letter that is posted to the first post blog.
I send it via e-mail directly to some addresses and also via the HTC support..
and here's the reply..
Thank you for contacting us,
We cannot comment on whether or not HTC has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone. Rooting the phone may open the phone up to virus attacks and other unsecure activities, as well as introduce unintended functionality, and as such is very difficult for us to support.
You are a valued HTC customer, thank you so much for your feedback, we will be communicating them to the department in charge, please note that we are glad to offer assistance whenever needed, if you have any further inquiries kindly don't hesitate to contact us.
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How typical..
It goes without saying that there are benefits to making it difficult to root your phone. A prime example is that once you root your phone. All of your account passwords are unencrypted.
That said, perhaps if the phones were easier to root people would put resources into making sure they're re-encrypted with a good ROM.
But ultimately every user deserves freedom of choice and if rooting my phone is the best/simplest/easiest way for me to uninstall bloatware/configure it as per I need it, then its clearly the best option. Freedom is the key here. Every single user should have a choice.
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Okay, then, I have a newbie question: can someone explain exactly what "S-Off" means?
Take S-Off for Security Off. With S-Off you can directly write to kernel, bootladers and radio, while S-On devices would need a second device (a PC) to write to those areas. Its like a protection mechanism for us not to brick our phones (at least not as easy).
There is plenty of explanations at our forums if you want t get into technical details or just want another explanation. Just try using the search button in the right top corner of XDA pages, you will be amazed how much you can find .
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I'd go on with another newbie question.
If I'm not wrong rooting breaks warranty (in most of the cases at least) but I think (again im not sure) we can reboot our device to factory settings before giving it to technical service to fix its problems.
What happens if the device is not working? Is there an external way to fix the rooted system back to normal?
I am going to go with a NO in that subject.
Although there are plenty of methods that have been successful in several handsets in the past by using third party hardware, it can get complicated even for a advanced users to do so, since it might involve technichal aspects only manufacturers know about.
Normally, these methods are developed and posted here, depeding on the handset, it might be easy or not. Not so many years ago, these methods were as easy as flashing a "untouched" firmware, but lately, manufacturers have been implementing methods to detect if we have touched the bootloader and have increasingly making it harder for developers to break them, thus returning to a "factory untouched" state is getting harder with every new device.
In short, If you want your warranty intact beyond the existence of any doubt, do not root.
And why is my galaxy tab crushing with cm 10 mod with latest gapps. I dont really think it is a noob question.
Guys, please keep your questions device specific.
We can't be discussing Galaxy Tabs here.
Thanks
I have a problem and I'm new here, so I just reply in this topic. I'm sorry for my little English.
I have a HTC One S and I dropped it a few days ago, now the volume down button is dented and I can not use it anymore. Since you can still set te volume by pushing the volume up button and swipe the volume down, i thought it was ok.
Now I wanted to turn my phone off and this is what I've got:
*** LOCKED ***
VLE PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-2.15.0000
Radio-1.11.50.05.28
OpenDSP-v31.1.0.45.0815
eMMC-boot
Dec 14 2012, 17:10:57:-1
HBOOT
<VOL UP> to previous item
<VOL DOWN. to next item
<POWER> to select item
FASTBOOT
RECOVERY
FACTORY RESET
CLEAR STORAGE
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
SHOW BARCODE
Using the volume up button I can select one of the items, but pressing the powerbutton brings me nothing. I have no idea what to do or how I can fix this.
Please help!
I see this is the wrong topic but I am unable to delete this message, I'm sorry.
Well, it is a hardware fault since its broken, so not much we can help you here. Try maybe reading the HTC One S specific forums to find a workaround, but honestly, you better replace the handset.
I have two good question. What is the difference between the HTC One developer edition and the regular one (ha).
What I've seen made it look you would struggle with putting roms on the regular one.
Also, how soon is the one likely to have roms and people putting the latest android on it (like pure nexus jelly bean)? Like a couple months, a year?
Thanks for your help
TaderTot said:
I have two good question. What is the difference between the HTC One developer edition and the regular one (ha).
What I've seen made it look you would struggle with putting roms on the regular one.
Also, how soon is the one likely to have roms and people putting the latest android on it (like pure nexus jelly bean)? Like a couple months, a year?
Thanks for your help
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The difference of the Developer Edition and regular one is that it is already S-Off, unlocked bootloader(no need to go to HTC dev) and has 64GB storage. And it comes only on one variant which is a US LTE type. So LTE won't work on Europe or Asia.
Regarding AOSP(pure nexus ROM) probably less than a month after the release of kernel source code by HTC on which I dunno when it would come.
So this will be my first non-nexus device. Will there be custom roms that will be up to date with the latest version of Android so I don't have to wait for HTC? If so, how will their stability be?
xGary said:
So this will be my first non-nexus device. Will there be custom roms that will be up to date with the latest version of Android so I don't have to wait for HTC? If so, how will their stability be?
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Give it time and there will be. I'm sure they'll be stable enough when released anyway.
I'm also coming from a Nexus and is a first for me to be getting a HTC.
It is possible to use the EU version of the HTC One in the US? I'm debating between the developer version and the EU since I'm located in the US (and want an unlocked bootloader), but it looks like the EU version would work on AT&T?
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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Yeah it looks like it, but, if you want an unlocked bootloader, developers edition should be your choice (that is what I would do)
Hi ! i am totaly new to Android Os so plz help me !!!
Hi
recently i bought HTC Desire A8181(Bravo).
i want to upgrade its software to Android v4.xxx . so i need help which firmware should i install on my HTC Desire so it work perfectly and has no Bugs ... Plz help me and guide me so i update my Phone
Thanks and also plz tell me Whats are Those ROMS ???
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Hi
recently i bought HTC Desire A8181(Bravo).
i want to upgrade its software to Android v4.xxx . so i need help which firmware should i install on my HTC Desire so it work perfectly and has no Bugs ... Plz help me and guide me so i update my Phone
Thanks and also plz tell me Whats are Those ROMS ???
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Hi naeembakakheil.
First thing you might want to do when looking for firmwares for your mobile device, is look in the correct section. Try here for your device specific info.
Second, please browse through those forums, read the OP of each thread which includes the description of the ROM you are about to flash, and then, read through the replies your fellow users have left to see their impressions, you can usually find all the help you need by reading. This would be a good place to start. If you still have any doubts, then ask in the appropriate thread. If after extensive search you still do not find the appropriate answer to your question, then ask in the Q&A forum of the device (although if you do know how to search, you will hardly ever need to open a new thread, almost every question is already answered).
What you must not do ever is.....ask without reading or even worst, read the incorrect information (as in not your phone's forum), you could easily break your device useless by making that mistake.
When can we expect 4.2 ROMs for the HTC One?
amarshonarbangla said:
When can we expect 4.2 ROMs for the HTC One?
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No one can possibly tell you that. As a matter of fact, XDA was founded because of the same queries arouse between members...until they started building themselves. So, I kindly invite you to join our developer communitty and build yourself a 4.2 or at least get invokved in the process.
I wouldnt recommend coming to xda with expectations of the arrival of something, since it can be a very long and boring time . Its best to be involved in the making of things here at xda, that way I guarantee you will not get bored and eventually, you will get what you want.
D.O.C said:
No one can possibly tell you that. As a matter of fact, XDA was founded because of the same queries arouse between members...until they started building themselves. So, I kindly invite you to join our developer communitty and build yourself a 4.2 or at least get invokved in the process.
I wouldnt recommend coming to xda with expectations of the arrival of something, since it can be a very long and boring time . Its best to be involved in the making of things here at xda, that way I guarantee you will not get bored and eventually, you will get what you want.
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I am a long time iOS user who recently switched to Windows Phone 8. Seeing how customizable Android is, I am thinking of making the jump soon. I have a lot of things to learn about this wonderful operating system, which is why I joined XDA
What goes into making a custom ROM? Do we need any specific files/firmwares/kernels/drivers from HTC to make a 4.2 ROM? Are there not any devs working on 4.2 ROMs for the One?
Was reading reddit and people said that HTC turned their back on the dev community. I remember something about htc not releasing codes for unlocking the bootloader or something like that. So is that locked down philosophy gone with the HTC one or will the phone be extremely hard to develop for?
Fasty12 said:
Was reading reddit and people said that HTC turned their back on the dev community. I remember something about htc not releasing codes for unlocking the bootloader or something like that. So is that locked down philosophy gone with the HTC one or will the phone be extremely hard to develop for?
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Considering HTC have released a developers edition of the HTC One ... what do you think?
The phone still ships locked down. The developers edition of the device is useless to all of us on Sprint in the US as well.
The bootloader is already unlockable so I doubt there'll be a problem in terms of development.
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