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Galaxy S - not as expected

People have been saying that the Galaxy S actually come close to be an iPhone killer. Or it already has that I'm not sure of. But after using the SGS for almost a year now, I do feel that it is slow. Much much slower than iPhones.
However, it is okay if they aren't many apps. Everytime my SGS slows down, I would resort to factory reset and it would be okay until I start spamming downloads again.
This is totally contradictory to the iPhone. The lags I experience isn't major though. But it is annoying for sure and comparing to iPhones, I always feel like my phone is somehow underpowered. Anyone has the same experience? By the way, I'm using stock 2.3.4 JVQ.

You are right and wrong.
Sgs is not slow.
Based on your descrioption it appears that your problem only apears after you have installed lot of apps. I would bet this is because a lot of these apps have services running and auto load at startup.
The android platform's implementation of true multitasking does inherently introduce issues like lags when when critical resources like memory is depleted. Sgs only has 512mb ram. So when lots of services run in the background, it slows down and although it tries to free up ram, it can overwhelmed when all those apps tries to restart itself.
Task killers / autostarts app / kernel and tunings can only do so much based on my experience.
Best option is to be more selective with app download and what you really want to keep on the phone.
IPhone doesn't have true multitasking thus don't havr the same issue and appears faster. Of course the UI is GPU accelerated which helps.
So really depends how much you yourself multitask at then of the day and whether you need it. Many don't and thus find iPhone ideal.
Ice cream sandwich will bring gpu acceleration mainstream to android.
Still loving my sgs. I have an ipad2 which I also love but squirm when I wanted it to multitask.
My 2 cents sharing
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I started answering OP's question, but I it's pretty much the same thing you said...
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I started answering OP's question, but I it's pretty much the same thing you said...
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LOL same here

Personal opinion - I enjoy customizing the phone, flashing and changing things, right now I'm on MIUI Mint Berry Edition 1.10.28 and it's fast, behaves very well and I really can´t complain.
If you don't like customizing and "owning" your phone, that way I believe you would prefer the Iphone because in terms of sock stuff it behaves very well.
Those are different phones, people have different taste you have pros and cons on both sides

vash_stanped said:
Personal opinion - I enjoy customizing the phone, flashing and changing things, right now I'm on MIUI Mint Berry Edition 1.10.28 and it's fast, behaves very well and I really can´t complain.
If you don't like customizing and "owning" your phone, that way I believe you would prefer the Iphone because in terms of sock stuff it behaves very well.
Those are different phones, people have different taste you have pros and cons on both sides
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This man knows his stuff.

Apple clock their processors very high but Samsung don't. That's why many people report their iPod touch or their iPhone getting very hot and then starts smoking. I read on a tech site nearly 10 months ago that a Guy bought a iPod touch and some days later while listening music it started smoking then he went to apple store aand they gave him a new one , this happened to that Guy 4 Times and he got a new i pod touch everytime and had loose his data again and again everytime they gave him a new one. You can call that Guy unlucky but still it happened to him, so apple just wants to get the best out of their devices even though they start burning and you can cook food on them. I use doctorz rom and haven't faced even a single lag on the latest v8.1
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Apple clock their processors very high but Samsung don't. That's why many people report their iPod touch or their iPhone getting very hot and then starts smoking. I read on a tech site nearly 10 months ago that a Guy bought a iPod touch and some days later while listening music it started smoking then he went to apple store aand they gave him a new one , this happened to that Guy 4 Times and he got a new i pod touch everytime and had loose his data again and again everytime they gave him a new one. You can call that Guy unlucky but still it happened to him, so apple just wants to get the best out of their devices even though they start burning and you can cook food on them. I use doctorz rom and haven't faced even a single lag on the latest v8.1
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Whoa.
I'm pretty sure Apple underclocks more than overclocks the majority of their devices. I read that the iPhone 4S, for example, was underclocked to 800MHz (from 1000MHz, I'm assuming).

I don't think so it maybe different for iPhone 4s. As its dual core also has more ram.
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BHuvan goyal said:
I don't think so it maybe different for iPhone 4s. As its dual core also has more ram.
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I don't know if Wikipedia is a good enough source for you, but it says so right under the Wikipedia article for Underclocking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underclocking
"Most smartphones and PDAs, such as the Motorola Droid, Palm Pre, and Apple iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s, use the "underclocking" of a more powerful processor, rather than the full clocking of a less powerful processor, to maximize battery life. The designers for such mobile devices often discover that a slower processor gives worse battery life than a more powerful processor at a lower clock rate. They select a processor on the basis of the performance per watt of the processor."
I'm sure you could find more credible sources if you googled it.

smiles.smiley said:
People have been saying that the Galaxy S actually come close to be an iPhone killer. Or it already has that I'm not sure of. But after using the SGS for almost a year now, I do feel that it is slow. Much much slower than iPhones.
However, it is okay if they aren't many apps. Everytime my SGS slows down, I would resort to factory reset and it would be okay until I start spamming downloads again.
This is totally contradictory to the iPhone. The lags I experience isn't major though. But it is annoying for sure and comparing to iPhones, I always feel like my phone is somehow underpowered. Anyone has the same experience? By the way, I'm using stock 2.3.4 JVQ.
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If you want smoothness and no lag, just flash froyo 2.2.1.

disclaimernotice said:
If you want smoothness and no lag, just flash froyo 2.2.1.
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I keep hearing this and i want to try it for myself which froyo rom would you recommend?

I heard that a lot too. But I have friends running on 2.2.1 asked me to help them to get their device to 2.3.3/2.3.4. The reason they gave me was that their phones are much laggier than mine.

[Q] iPhone 4 vs Captivate fluidity

I'm wonder what would is the reason behind the fluidity of the iPhone 4 ?
I got the captivate and most of friends got the iPhone 4 in, relatively, the same time.
The performance of their phones is superior to mine even though both phones have the mostly the same specifications !
BTW, I'm using CM7.

simply put, iphone is one OS meant specifically for one phone, developed by professionals..
Android is an OS that is spread over hundreds of different models.. Its hard to make everything perfect when the devices are constantly different (especially when different models are running different versions of Android). It's also open source and has the potential to be better than iOS but needs more time to develop IMO. I think the base SDK is pretty solid but then the carriers do thier own "tweaks" etc and we lose some of the functionality.
The reason I prefer Android over iOS is the ability to customize it. Your friends wont be flashing custom software on thier iPhones which to me is half the fun of having a "smart" phone.

Also iOS doesn't offer real multitasking. Its how they both handle memory and cpu usage. I'm not a fan of Apple mobile's BUT I have to admit that for single tasking and simplicity (ish) iOS is better.

prbassplayer said:
Also iOS doesn't offer real multitasking. Its how they both handle memory and cpu usage. I'm not a fan of Apple mobile's BUT I have to admit that for single tasking and simplicity (ish) iOS is better.
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Android is fundamentally going to be slower than iOS just because of the way it's structured. And yeah, a lot of it has to do with the multitasking aspect. Android is much more like a PC than iOS is
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there is a thread about this from a couple days ago on the xda (news) portal about the comparison of android/ios multi-tasking, and info about it in a recent XDAtv episode.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
http://www.youtube.com/xdadevelopers#p/u/3/FFuWQyH3trg
you should check both daily for info on everything xda.

Thanks everyone for sharing these info
What about hardware acceleration. As I understood, ICS support full HW acceleration. So does the iOS offer the same feature ?
If so, does would we witness a change in the performance of ICS ?

do your own research.
use google. its new but it works pretty good.....

AhmadAlmousa said:
Thanks everyone for sharing these info
What about hardware acceleration. As I understood, ICS support full HW acceleration. So does the iOS offer the same feature ?
If so, does would we witness a change in the performance of ICS ?
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https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC

Superior GPU, OpenGL, Hardware acceleration, software optimization for one architecture...it's really more than one, single thing. Android guys like to point at it not having "true" multitasking, but that's just not true. iOS can run apps in the background and it is just as easy to switch apps in iOS as it us Android.
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Hemlocke said:
Superior GPU, OpenGL, Hardware acceleration, software optimization for one architecture...it's really more than one, single thing. Android guys like to point at it not having "true" multitasking, but that's just not true. iOS can run apps in the background and it is just as easy to switch apps in iOS as it us Android.
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The multitasking that you speak off is false. It closes apps as it wishes and sometime blocks access to other apps. I'm not knocking it it works great for most ppl. I've used Iphone 4 for 6 months and It annoyed the hell out of me. The Gpu is exactly the same. Both ru PowerVR SGX 5 series (535 for Iphone, 540 for us). On paper ours is a tad better since it can process 20M triangles/s vs Iphones 14M/s. Hardware accel we do not have (for now).

I started to describe the 4s, which does have the best GPU in a mobile device. My bad. On paper the 540 is better, but the hardware accel of the 4 makes the 535 perform better. iOS doesn't randomly shut down apps, it prioritizes. The performance is still noticeably better, and you still have multitasking in much the same way you do on Android. As for the 4s, we will need quad-core processors and much better GPUs to see that kind of performance.
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After installing ICS on my Samsung Captivate, it's about 95% as smooth as an iPhone (which I sold to get this phone). I'm really impressed! The hardware acceleration makes a big difference.

It has made a difference on my NS, too, but there are still things I hope they improve.
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Hemlocke said:
It has made a difference on my NS, too, but there are still things I hope they improve.
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Having gone to a Verizon store and used the Galaxy Nexus, I can report that it's pretty much right on par with the iPhone as far as fluidity and responsiveness. The browser in particular is light years ahead of the one in Gingerbread or Froyo.
I think the apples-to-apples comparison on our devices with GB vs ICS shows that the software is mostly responsible for the enhanced responsiveness. Go Google!

kimosen said:
After installing ICS on my Samsung Captivate, it's about 95% as smooth as an iPhone (which I sold to get this phone). I'm really impressed! The hardware acceleration makes a big difference.
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After installing ICS on my Captivate, I have been thoroughly impressed with its responsiveness. Considering it is a port and the Devs have not had the source to work with, I was ecstatic to see this. Once they integrate the recently released source, I truly believe that even my "ancient" Captivate will rival the new iPhone.

They have had source for a while now...
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They have had source for a while now...
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+1. The Team Hacksung build already has the source integrated.

[RSRCH] OB P970 Software research

So, i have been secretly venturing deep inside P970. So this is what i have found:
These are two phones specs:
Optimus Black
1GHz ARMv7 Rev71 Proccessor
Two Types
FOP CM9 SUPERCHARGED
CM7 SUPERCHARGED, KICKEDASS KERNELISED & 3G SUPERCHARGED
iPhone 4S
1GHz Dual Core A5 chip (UV To 800MHz)
iOS 6 Beta 3
These reviews will be against Apple iPhone. (Apple will be the hit ratio)
GRAPHICS
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The Optimus black's Graphics rendering is the same as iPhone 4.
After bringing it to CM7, It renders thrice as fast, almost reaching the 4S
9/10 = So after ICS(FOP) it surpassed the 4S. But you will need to Supercharge.
SPEED
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The TI OMAP 3630 Is our hatred. It has caused many problems for us but was the best of its kind a year ago. What renders it useless in ICS?? The styroscopic Driver, which has caused Camera issues. But in overall, it is fast with a maximum 1GHz of speed
The iPhone 4S' Dual Core A5 Chip, Renders itself the fastest of its kind. But sadly, it is reduced of its maximum performance to 800MHz from 1GHz to conserve battery life. In overall, the OB has an advantage of 200MHz. But in reality, A5 Chip has something unknown inside to render its speed much faster than a 800MHz capable Chip. Making the 4S a tie with OB.
10/10 = At CM7 SUPERCHARGED
NETWORKING
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OB, Like any other phone, is capable of CDMA and GSM. But is so common. Therefore it shall lose in this comparison.
The 4S has 2 antennaes that can intelligently switch between each other for downloads, reaching a 4G capable phone speed. This makes OB Lose upside down. BUT. THE 4S GETS OWNED THIS TIME BY 3G SUPERCHARGER. Bringing OB up to 32MBps and winning an LTE Speed.
12/10 = CM7 3G SUPERCHARGED.
More will be up!! Suggest whatever category you want and i will stage a test immediately!
Next up:
RAM
BOOT SPEED
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I wanna know how to supercharge.... ive tried so hard, someone should just include it in their roms or someone should work on an easy package so we can have SOMETHING to look forward to while camera is being impossible

Dude... what is this? Everyone knows the iPhone 4s is better than the LG OB, example: gaming and performance and the screen. The iPhone can run all games very smooth and iOS is just simply smooth. So why compare them? If you had the choise everyone, who has brains, would choose the 4s over the LG OB..
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wessyh0 said:
Dude... what is this? Everyone knows the iPhone 4s is better than the LG OB, example: gaming and performance and the screen. The iPhone can run all games very smooth and iOS is just simply smooth. So why compare them? If you had the choise everyone, who has brains, would choose the 4s over the LG OB..
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I wouldn't
And the 4s plays the games smooth becasue it is made for that specific device.
Not like android that has several 100 or even tousands devices.

RomWiz said:
I wouldn't
And the 4s plays the games smooth becasue it is made for that specific device.
Not like android that has several 100 or even tousands devices.
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You're crazy if you would choose a OB over a 4s.
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wessyh0 said:
You're crazy if you would choose a OB over a 4s.
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You're crazy to consider iPhone better than OB.
Games on iPhone/iPad are made specifically for these devices and, when you run a today game on an older iDevice, look closely at it, it will lag. A lot.
Games on Android are made for Resolutions (MDPI, HDPI, XHDPI, ...) and not for each specs (except for some CPUs, but again, not for specific devices) so it will run perfect on a SGS(hit) III, and will lag on OB, because of the lower specs (and in some case, because of the constructor firmware). Don't blame OB, blame Android. (But I love Android, I'm not saying here that it is a bad platform, it is by far the best one, far ahead iOS, WP, webOS, and other ones.)
I had the choice between an iPhone 4 and OB, and as every geek would do, I chose OB, not because of the specs, but because of Android.
That's the point.
Nobody is crazy or wrong, everyone is different.

Vinzgore said:
You're crazy to consider iPhone better than OB.
Games on iPhone/iPad are made specifically for these devices and, when you run a today game on an older iDevice, look closely at it, it will lag. A lot.
Games on Android are made for Resolutions (MDPI, HDPI, XHDPI, ...) and not for each specs (except for some CPUs, but again, not for specific devices) so it will run perfect on a SGS(hit) III, and will lag on OB, because of the lower specs (and in some case, because of the constructor firmware). Don't blame OB, blame Android. (But I love Android, I'm not saying here that it is a bad platform, it is by far the best one, far ahead iOS, WP, webOS, and other ones.)
I had the choice between an iPhone 4 and OB, and as every geek would do, I chose OB, not because of the specs, but because of Android.
That's the point.
Nobody is crazy or wrong, everyone is different.
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I'd have taken the 4s, sold it and bought a better android phone. :bbb

Vinzgore said:
You're crazy to consider iPhone better than OB.
Games on iPhone/iPad are made specifically for these devices and, when you run a today game on an older iDevice, look closely at it, it will lag. A lot.
Games on Android are made for Resolutions (MDPI, HDPI, XHDPI, ...) and not for each specs (except for some CPUs, but again, not for specific devices) so it will run perfect on a SGS(hit) III, and will lag on OB, because of the lower specs (and in some case, because of the constructor firmware). Don't blame OB, blame Android. (But I love Android, I'm not saying here that it is a bad platform, it is by far the best one, far ahead iOS, WP, webOS, and other ones.)
I had the choice between an iPhone 4 and OB, and as every geek would do, I chose OB, not because of the specs, but because of Android.
That's the point.
Nobody is crazy or wrong, everyone is different.
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So your choosing lag, slow updates and less games over smoothness, fast updates, more games, better camera and screen etc? Don't get me wrong, i love Android aswell but you gotta be real. If it was between an GS3 and a 4s the decision was way more difficult.
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wessyh0 said:
So your choosing lag, slow updates and less games over smoothness, fast updates, more games, better camera and screen etc? Don't get me wrong, i love Android aswell but you gotta be real. If it was between an GS3 and a 4s the decision was way more difficult.
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Let me ask you a simple question. Do you like to mod your phone to your preference and to whatever you like?? If yes, then Android is the choice. iOS Can only do stupid repos you cant even change much of its looks. Unlike android. I can even change it to look 99% like WP7.5
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Choosing between GS3 and 4s is not too difficult, GS3 way better than 4s
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SoulExertz said:
Let me ask you a simple question. Do you like to mod your phone to your preference and to whatever you like?? If yes, then Android is the choice. iOS Can only do stupid repos you cant even change much of its looks. Unlike android. I can even change it to look 99% like WP7.5
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Hey! Did you know that you can set a custom wallpaper on the lockscreen and desktop on iPhones? hahaha ok just trolling.
on topic: iPhones are stupid. I can't stand the fact that most of my friends have an iPhone and everytime we meet they're waiting for my phone's new look while they are stuck with one look. Expensive useless crap Compared OB with my pal's iphone 4 and the iPhone couldn't keep up with the OB. just sayin'

andrewbadge said:
Hey! Did you know that you can set a custom wallpaper on the lockscreen and desktop on iPhones? hahaha ok just trolling.
on topic: iPhones are stupid. I can't stand the fact that most of my friends have an iPhone and everytime we meet they're waiting for my phone's new look while they are stuck with one look. Expensive useless crap Compared OB with my pal's iphone 4 and the iPhone couldn't keep up with the OB. just sayin'
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I used to have an iDevice, and i so much modded it that I ended up making it dual booting Android
It looked so minimal and so sleek, but that was the good times of Installer4 and iPhone OS 2.2.1
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I just want to say one thing that I love Android...
And the fact is that any open source OS will provide much customization in future also.

gt-kingz said:
I'd have taken the 4s, sold it and bought a better android phone. :bbb
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That was i i was thinking about right now

RomWiz said:
That was i i was thinking about right now
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iPhone is bad as its iOS is only for iProducts. Android is widespread having many more customisations than iOS. So, thats why Android is booming now. And why did i get OB?? I was intrigue of the 700 nits NOVA. And of course, our cute mascots of the OS. iOS Doesent even have a mascot. -_- boring.
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SoulExertz said:
iPhone is bad as its iOS is only for iProducts. Android is widespread having many more customisations than iOS. So, thats why Android is booming now. And why did i get OB?? I was intrigue of the 700 nits NOVA. And of course, our cute mascots of the OS. iOS Doesent even have a mascot. -_- boring.
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As far as I remember SoulExertz, you wanted to port Jelly Bean to OB. Then you were looking for developers to help you with the kernel stuff.
Then you wanted to make a light ROM based on android 1.6 for OB. Then you said that you're going to fix the camera to help FOP team finish their CM9 project. Now you keep spamming the forums with your bull**** worthless threads.
Just quit trolling.

He's just a thanks meter whore.

Shaggowa said:
As far as I remember SoulExertz, you wanted to port Jelly Bean to OB. Then you were looking for developers to help you with the kernel stuff.
Then you wanted to make a light ROM based on android 1.6 for OB. Then you said that you're going to fix the camera to help FOP team finish their CM9 project. Now you keep spamming the forums with your bull**** worthless threads.
Just quit trolling.
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I can prove it to you. Im gonna release ALL three things in November. WITH NO BUGS
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He's just a thanks meter *****.
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Get a life. If you are working, you will understand how busy it is.
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IPhone VS Galaxy S

Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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Didn't you ask the same question in general section?

dark_knight35 said:
Didn't you ask the same question in general section?
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Yes I did. Is that bad?
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Helloworld294 said:
Yes I did. Is that bad?
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Asking one time is absolutely enough. We could stop posting in here, your other thread already got some responses.

dark_knight35 said:
Asking one time is absolutely enough. We could stop posting in here, your other thread already got some responses.
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I didn't know, my bad.
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I own itouch 4 and i9000 with miui 2.8.10 and i can say that the SGS not slow as you describe

_RiVeRsIDe_ said:
I own itouch 4 and i9000 with miui 2.8.10 and i can say that the SGS not slow as you describe
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Itouch 4 maybe you have the 8gb one which is clocked to 600mhz and has 256mb ram. & believe me I had the iPhone 3GS in 2009 and I remember how everything was smooth even when I jailbroke it I OCed my iPhone to 800mhz and it became really fast. So idk... but now I know. Android uses CPU to render the UI, but as the new JELLYBEAN came out, its UI is rendered by the GPU which is how its supposed to be. That's why its alot smoother than previous android OS
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The answer is quite simple: Apple produces hardware and software made only for this hardware, Android is only software which has to work on any device. Furthermore there are more specs than RAM size or CPU frequency. If the hardware is specialized for something, you don't need that heavy hardware.
E.g. Playstations: They are optimized for graphic rendering and do that really well without a great amount of Hardware (I think the latest has 256 MB of graphic RAM). But try running anything else (Windows, lol) on them, it will lagg like hell
Same thing with the iPhone.
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BlueFlame4 said:
The answer is quite simple: Apple produces hardware and software made only for this hardware, Android is only software which has to work on any device. Furthermore there are more specs than RAM size or CPU frequency. If the hardware is specialized for something, you don't need that heavy hardware.
E.g. Playstations: They are optimized for graphic rendering and do that really well without a great amount of Hardware (I think the latest has 256 MB of graphic RAM). But try running anything else (Windows, lol) on them, it will lagg like hell
Same thing with the iPhone.
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If that's the case, then why don't the android community create like groups? You know, Motorola Android group, Samsung Android group, HTC Android group etc. to ensure that the software is running according to the hardware! That'd be easier and cheaper for the companies too, plus will have a great impact on the reliability of the OS
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Helloworld294 said:
Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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OEM ROMs are not that great, you should for sure try some custom ROMs:
(i) ICS: https://www.fixmystuff.in/FMS_Forum...dwich-4-0-4-on-samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000.125/
(ii) JB: https://www.fixmystuff.in/FMS_Forum/threads/installing-jelly-bean-4-1-on-galaxy-s-gt-i9000.131/

gopalasubramanium said:
OEM ROMs are not that great, you should for sure try some custom ROMs:
(i) ICS: https://www.fixmystuff.in/FMS_Forum...dwich-4-0-4-on-samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000.125/
(ii) JB: https://www.fixmystuff.in/FMS_Forum/threads/installing-jelly-bean-4-1-on-galaxy-s-gt-i9000.131/
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My friend let me assure you the last time I had a stock ROM was when I first got this phone and I only had it for two days. then I went to cm7--->darky's rom--->cm9--->slim ics--->TAJB----> now hellybean 12/10 so yeah..
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Finally got the N5 to lag

As the title says....I wasn't trying to overload the phone, but while playing TD5 I actually got it to lag. Normally, the game doesn't use much battery, but anyone familiar with the game after level 80 or so it gets pretty intense. I put the game on fast forward mode too and it got pretty laggy. Would be pretty interesting to use this game as a benchmark. Here's a screenshot: http://imgur.com/b2qrQpn
It might be hard to tell, but there was A LOT of frame droppings. Which doesn't really surprise me. Anyway, just thought I would share.

PsychDrummer said:
As the title says....I wasn't trying to overload the phone, but while playing TD5 I actually got it to lag. Normally, the game doesn't use much battery, but anyone familiar with the game after level 80 or so it gets pretty intense. I put the game on fast forward mode too and it got pretty laggy. Would be pretty interesting to use this game as a benchmark. Here's a screenshot: http://imgur.com/b2qrQpn
It might be hard to tell, but there was A LOT of frame droppings. Which doesn't really surprise me. Anyway, just thought I would share.
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interesting. have you used other devices with this game? how does it compare? you'd think that the nexus 5 with it's cpu/gpu being pretty top of the line would not have problems with anything. but that is a lot going on at once.

efan3719 said:
interesting. have you used other devices with this game? how does it compare? you'd think that the nexus 5 with it's cpu/gpu being pretty top of the line would not have problems with anything. but that is a lot going on at once.
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Asphalt 8 lags no problem.. Though it could be the engine. While the game looks pretty I get the feeling the game's engine isn't properly optimized.

mbazdell said:
Asphalt 8 lags no problem.. Though it could be the engine. While the game looks pretty I get the feeling the game's engine isn't properly optimized.
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i've yet to try any graphic intense games on my Nexus 5. i would hope that any serious lag would come down to the app coding and not the device.

I'm pretty sure all this lag is due to the aggressive thermal throttling from lg.
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ethantarheels123 said:
I'm pretty sure all this lag is due to the aggressive thermal throttling from lg.
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but i thought the throttling was way less than what was found on the Nexus 4. i guess we can use an app to see what happens during the lag.
found an article about throttling on the Nexus 5 in case anyone was interested. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/when-benchmarks-arent-enough-cpu-performance-in-the-nexus-5/

efan3719 said:
interesting. have you used other devices with this game? how does it compare? you'd think that the nexus 5 with it's cpu/gpu being pretty top of the line would not have problems with anything. but that is a lot going on at once.
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The only other device that I have tried this with is the 2013 Nexus 7. I don't think I've gotten to this part but whenever I do I will let you know. I can't recall if it lagged before.

mbazdell said:
Asphalt 8 lags no problem.. Though it could be the engine. While the game looks pretty I get the feeling the game's engine isn't properly optimized.
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Yeah, Asphalt 8 runs for me with no problem either. I agree with the optimization. I'm going to try to get to this point on my Nexus 7 2013. Although the specs on that are lower.

Ive gotten the nexus 5 to lag substantially while playing FIFA 14, both on Stock and with a Custom ROM and trinity kernel.
The lag was less on the custom ROM and trinity kernel then it was on stock...
why do u guys think there is a lag on the nexus 5, ive played fifa so many times on the iphone 5 and never had a single stutter from it.
Edit: BTW the game becomes really choppy when there is rain in the game, you pretty much cant play the game it gets that bad.

It lags a ton as well on the later levels in survivor mode on PvZ2. Anything after level 10 or so and the amount of zombies kills the fps. The phone also gets uncomfortably hot.
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fruitsalt said:
Ive gotten the nexus 5 to lag substantially while playing FIFA 14, both on Stock and with a Custom ROM and trinity kernel.
The lag was less on the custom ROM and trinity kernel then it was on stock...
why do u guys think there is a lag on the nexus 5, ive played fifa so many times on the iphone 5 and never had a single stutter from it.
Edit: BTW the game becomes really choppy when there is rain in the game, you pretty much cant play the game it gets that bad.
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iOS users expect a good experience.
I get the feel they didn't even try on Android for FIFA.

rancur3p1c said:
iOS users expect a good experience.
I get the feel they didn't even try on Android for FIFA.
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Isn't iPhone the current benchmark to beat. I understand lack of functionality and customization features compared to android but every phone company wants to best the iPhone user experience and fluidity
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fruitsalt said:
Isn't iPhone the current benchmark to beat. I understand lack of functionality and customization features compared to android but every phone company wants to best the iPhone user experience and fluidity
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Lately Apple has gone downhill. I've got myself the latest iPad mini which uses the same A7 processor found in the iPad Air.
There is lag and plenty of it. I've tried Dead Trigger 2 and Bastion and both of the them suffer from lag and the odd stutter every now and then.
And what's even more funny is now theres plenty of fragmentation on iOS. Read the reviews on some of the graphic intensive games. Bugs and crashes galore on some of the slightly older hardware. Plus on the description you will have big captions like " DO NOT BUY IF YOU HAVE THE...." And " DOES NOT WORK ON THE..."
Apple is no longer the benchmark when it comes to games now.
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avocco said:
Lately Apple has gone downhill. I've got myself the latest iPad mini which uses the same A7 processor found in the iPad Air.
There is lag and plenty of it. I've tried Dead Trigger 2 and Bastion and both of the them suffer from lag and the odd stutter every now and then.
And what's even more funny is now theres plenty of fragmentation on iOS. Read the reviews on some of the graphic intensive games. Bugs and crashes galore on some of the slightly older hardware. Plus on the description you will have big captions like " DO NOT BUY IF YOU HAVE THE...." And " DOES NOT WORK ON THE..."
Apple is no longer the benchmark when it comes to games now.
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I kinda agree with your post about apple going downhill. But it still is the benchmark device to beat, its wobbling but hasnt been dethroned just yet. Ios7 is buggy and all the apps have not been optimized for it yet. Same can be said about optimization on KitKat.
The games that iPhone can play with minimum to no stutter are not even playable or are not even available for android.
Fragmentation wise, iPhone has gotten a bit fragmented but you also have to realize the os and the new games are very graphic intensive. Older hardware can not possibly run them properly such as games for ps4 won't ever run on the ps1 or even the ps2, we can't expect current games and os to run on devices older then 2 years. People give android a bad name for fragmentation but it really isn't that bad when u take into account the requirements for the latest software. I do not expect the same software to run perfectly on my nexus 5 and galaxy nexus. True a two year old device is not that old but in technological terms 2 years is more then a decade.
I love android and iOS the same, each has its advantages and disadvantages. My personal device is iOS and work is android, each serves its purpose perfectly.
My only qualm with android is as follows: a device such as the nexus 5 with almost twice the processing power as an iPhone 5, double the number of cores, and twice the memory still can't keep up with the iPhone.
Thats like having a ferrari but still not being able to keep up with a bmw or in this case it would more be like android is a tuned import with all the latest and greatest updates but still cant come close to a stock luxury exotic ( i know the price difference between the two this is just an example). Google and android oems need to work on making android work faster and more fluid on lower specs then just putting in the most ram and the fastest processor, what's the point of having those if it still gets beat by a device with half its specs. if apple introduces a 2.3Ghz quad core phone with 2gb of ram that would be game over.
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I have to disagree with the iPhone being the phone to beat.... Samsung has beaten apple and LG with the nexus 5 and G2 put out two amazing devices that are beyond apples latest and greatest. I am sorry but the iPhone 5s and other iPhones and including the iPads have some pretty noticeable lag and stutters. As for android the improvement has been amazingly awesome android used to be the extremely laggy and stuttered for everything. Now it's pretty much ios fluid. I just switched from the iPhone 5s to the note 3 after a test run to see if I would like ios again and ios7 stutters a lot. To me the note 3 feels more fluid and yes touchwiz is very heavy and hard to run

The lag is a software limitation, not at all hardware related.

Well my experience with bloons TD5 is quite good on N5. I get to about lvl 100 after that it starts to lag a bit more and more with following levels. But in my opinion this is game itself. My friend with galaxy S3 gets to lvl 115-120 before becomes almost unplayable, other folks with N4 gets to 120-125 lvl before it gets unplayable. I get to about lvl 130 before it gets the same as S3 or N4 performance (0.5-2 FPS)
All in all it's bloons TD5 fault, not hardware, game engine itself is at fault.

fruitsalt said:
Isn't iPhone the current benchmark to beat. I understand lack of functionality and customization features compared to android but every phone company wants to best the iPhone user experience and fluidity
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this is EA we're talking about. EA doesn't care about "user experience" only "will it sell" and "is it 90% functional"

rancur3p1c said:
this is EA we're talking about. EA doesn't care about "user experience" only "will it sell" and "is it 90% functional"
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90%? lol I think you're overestimating EA...I'm pretty sure they're satisfied with 60%, judging by every EA produced or sponsored game I've played in the past 5 years. It's a horrible company that needs to be shut down.

skyyrocket said:
I have to disagree with the iPhone being the phone to beat.... Samsung has beaten apple and LG with the nexus 5 and G2 put out two amazing devices that are beyond apples latest and greatest. I am sorry but the iPhone 5s and other iPhones and including the iPads have some pretty noticeable lag and stutters. As for android the improvement has been amazingly awesome android used to be the extremely laggy and stuttered for everything. Now it's pretty much ios fluid. I just switched from the iPhone 5s to the note 3 after a test run to see if I would like ios again and ios7 stutters a lot. To me the note 3 feels more fluid and yes touchwiz is very heavy and hard to run
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I know Samsung and LG have introduced amazing devices but thats still on paper. I'm not comparing them based on reviews or watching videos online, I own both the nexus 5 and the iphone 5s. Android has gotten a lot better from its laggy days and is one hell of a responsive OS with functionality to boot. That being said I can still see the nexus 5 lag and havent been able to make the iphone 5s lag at all, i have had a few apps just crash on me randomly but thats about it.
Everything on the iphone is more fluid then on android. Most of it has to do with apps installed, most developers dont really put in as much time into android as they do on IOS. The specs on the new android devices are amazing running quad core cpus with 2 gb of RAM but in the end what use is all that power when the phone still lags. For instance just a few minutes ago i got a call on the nexus and when the call ended the phone just got stuck on the call screen unresponsive for 30-40 seconds.
If we compare just the hardware then there really is no competition for current android phones, apple has not put out anything with those kinda specs. But if we want to see which OS runs better shouldnt it be on the same kind of hardware. The iphone 5 runs a Dual-Core processor and for me it handles iOS7 perfectly without a lag, i would like to see how a galaxy s2 with a Dual-Core processor would handle kitkat. That would be comparing similar hardware on the latest OS's by each company.
I know you would say why not the s3 and the s4, because they run on quad-core processors. I know this kinda got winded but what im trying to say is that an iphone 5 with half the specs of a current android device performs on par and at times better then those devices then how would android fare if iphone gets a quad-core processor, there is a lot to be said about each OS's optimization based on just the specs.