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Is 192 RAM a not enough?

I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex

Buy a Nexus......

I would, but I can't afford one

moonscapex said:
I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.

Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.

I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.

OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.

The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they

Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?

If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK

Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers

Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?

moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are

Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..

protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK

So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?

moonscapex said:
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.

I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.

[Q] Virtual Ram by using SD card memory

I am currently a XT720 user, and had rooted and Apps2carded my new great machine (used HD2 android before)... however, i found that my new supermachine is lack of ram (only 45Mb in average...) .Therefore, i am thinking is it possible to use the memory of SD card to build "virtual ram" just like what the guys doing in HD2...
Does any one agree this idea and can give a big hand for me....

If I understand correctly, you're looking for something like swap space? If so, there have been countless attempts at getting this to work. However, all have failed because we lack one simple feature...an unlocked bootloader.
Even if there are other ways to do it, it most likely requires access to the bootloader, and hence we are back to square one. For now, we can only rely on good task managers and overclocking to get some more juice out of our Milestones.
MrP.

Dear MrP.
Understood your answer and thank you very much for your information. The key is to get the right to get into the bootloader...... seems far away....-_-...but I still hope it can become true in the road of android development....
Add

With a 2048Bit RSA encryption? Unlikely...^^

RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..

m0jo said:
RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..
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I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...

avatar_43 said:
I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...
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i got a class6 and i tested the new DesireHD image on my SdCard, as its a huge 400MB+ image odex'd, and its actually slower although its odex'd for little loading improvements.. so putting everything on the sdcard makes it slow.
using menus and starting apps were unacceptable..
my conclusion is that using internal flash + deodex was much faster, so no good..
but! maybe its just a badly compiled ext2 module we have on milestone..

[Q] does anyone have this phone?

It seems like nothings happening with this phone and I dont know if I should buy it, because if I cant root it or do anything with it its just not as fun? so does anyone know how to root this phone and flash roms on it etc etc?

my gf bought this phone
i'm just waiting for someone to come up with a way to s-off and root it so that i can move apps for her
it's irritating cause only some apps can be moved in its current config
hoping someone comes up with something soon

my gf thinking to buy a salsa, it seems a nice phone, however based on what u people's comments, the biggest problem is internal memory! so would u people recommand salsa or Nexus S?

DDFF said:
my gf thinking to buy a salsa, it seems a nice phone, however based on what u people's comments, the biggest problem is internal memory! so would u people recommand salsa or Nexus S?
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NexusS is FAR superior (Hummingbird ARMv7,powerVR sgx540 GPU, MUCH more internal memory, community support, development....).. the thing in my case, is that my GF was on a x10mini pro before and find nexus S huge.. She wanted something small and didn't care about performance (as probably anything would be better than her previous x10minipro) .. As I have a desire she thought HTC are well built and bought this one..
As I said on another post, besides internal memory I think it is a good smartphone, but if your gf doesn't mind size.. then go nexusS.. you/she won't regret.

thanks man, very useful....I am using DHD and I would recommend my gf of Nexus s,and if she wants, i can get it root which not gonna happen on Salsa.

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NexusS is FAR superior (Hummingbird ARMv7,powerVR sgx540 GPU, MUCH more internal memory, community support, development....).. the thing in my case, is that my GF was on a x10mini pro before and find nexus S huge.. She wanted something small and didn't care about performance (as probably anything would be better than her previous x10minipro) .. As I have a desire she thought HTC are well built and bought this one..
As I said on another post, besides internal memory I think it is a good smartphone, but if your gf doesn't mind size.. then go nexusS.. you/she won't regret.
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thanks man, very useful....I am using DHD and I would recommend my gf of Nexus s,and if she wants, i can get it root which not gonna happen on Salsa.

I have this phone as well. Overall, it's actually a pretty decent phone. Performance, size, speed, etc are all mid-range quality and I do love the smaller size.
The only down side to this phone as has been mentioned is the limited internal memory. I'm just waiting on a method of rooting so I can get rid of all the useless bloatware and move the rest of the apps over to the SD card. The phone comes with 512 mb of memory but on my particular phone here in Taiwan, after the OS install, and all the bloat ware I have around 120mb to work with. Between email, contacts, and like 4 apps. I'm out of space and can't do anything else. It's very frustrating.

Desire C.

Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
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BigBearEvo said:
Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
BigBear is using Xparent Tapatalk Purple
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can a one x kernel dveloper can do that
i have pm'ed a guy called faux123 who devlops htc phones kernels
i have asked him about making a ksc for android 2.3.5
Hope everything turns out good

[Q] Should I buy this phone?

Well I already ordered it on amazon so yeah I will have this phone in less than a week. My xperia play decided to give up on me, and I needed a good cheap phone fast because I can't live without android.
So... what I would like to know if the HTC Vivid is a upgrade or a downgrade compared to the xperia play. When I look at the specs it for certain is a upgrade with the 1GM ram (Xperia play has 512mb) and the camera experience. But I want to know from you guys how the performance is. I had a lot of problems with the Xperia and I'm hoping they won't appear on the vivid.
Some of the problems I had on the Xperia play were:
- Constant Lag
- Touchscreen not always responsive
- Keyboard not always responsive
- Multitasking is pretty average
- Lag on 2D HQ games like Temple Run and Ninja Fruit
So will I be facing similar problems with the Vivid? I would like to think not since it has ICS and 1GB ram. Things that are the most important for me with this phone:
1. Social Multitasking (Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, Instagram)
2. Camera (Skype)
3. Casual Gaming without lag (Temple run, Angry Birds, Ninja Fruit ect)
I've seen reviews on youtube and they look very positive but I do see people complaining about the battery life. That's not really a issue for me since I walk with my charger 24/7.
So what do you guys think? Will I enjoy this phone? Or will it be another xperia play disaster for me?

How much did you pay for this phone? Also the stock ics rom on this phone is very buggy. After a few months, I was experiencing lots of freezes and soft reboots. Also reboots take like 5-10 minutes. If you decide to stick with this phone, I highly suggest you install a custom rom on it as they are much more stable than the stock ics rom and dont have the freezes and long reboot issues (albinoman887's are the best IMO).

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How much did you pay for this phone? Also the stock ics rom on this phone is very buggy. After a few months, I was experiencing lots of freezes and soft reboots. Also reboots take like 5-10 minutes. If you decide to stick with this phone, I highly suggest you install a custom rom on it as they are much more stable than the stock ics rom and dont have the freezes and long reboot issues (albinoman887's are the best IMO).
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$215 on amazon. It's an unlocked AT&T Vidid version. And yeah I will most likely install a custom rom, but for the first month I hope the stock rom is good enough. I tend to observe my android first before starting messing around with it.
Is there lag during gameplay? And was it as buggy on gingerbread?

Kevinkdc said:
$215 on amazon. It's an unlocked AT&T Vidid version. And yeah I will most likely install a custom rom, but for the first month I hope the stock rom is good enough. I tend to observe my android first before starting messing around with it.
Is there lag during gameplay? And was it as buggy on gingerbread?
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I got the phone with ics so I don't know how it was with gingerbread. I did not observe any lag while playing any games so you're probably good there at least.

eddyecho said:
I got the phone with ics so I don't know how it was with gingerbread. I did not observe any lag while playing any games so you're probably good there at least.
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Hmm it could be possible that I will get it with ICS as well, but we'll see. This is my first HTC phone so I'm kinda excited. Can you play heavy games on this phone as well? Like Nova, Dungeon Defenders and the other current games?
Gaming & Multitasking... These are the two most important things for me. That's why I bought the xperia play since it was labeled as a gaming phone and Ironic enough the gaming is average. It's only good for emulators and such.
Since you have some sense of my tastes in phones, do you think this phone will satisfy me?

Kevinkdc said:
Hmm it could be possible that I will get it with ICS as well, but we'll see. This is my first HTC phone so I'm kinda excited. Can you play heavy games on this phone as well? Like Nova, Dungeon Defenders and the other current games?
Gaming & Multitasking... These are the two most important things for me. That's why I bought the xperia play since it was labeled as a gaming phone and Ironic enough the gaming is average. It's only good for emulators and such.
Since you have some sense of my tastes in phones, do you think this phone will satisfy me?
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Multitasking...not so much, gaming, it's adequate, keep in mind you only have 1Gb of ram and the OS takes up roughly 1/2-2/3rds of it.
Storage is not a problem though with 8Gb internal and it'll handle 32Gb SD card with no issues. It does a good job as a camera and media device.
If you have the time and notion, I would suggest reading up on how to S-OFF(optional but makes life easier), installing custom recovery, and installing a custom ROM (Albinoman887's AOSP 4.2.2 is nice and relatively stable). Just be sure to read the thread regarding some issues with 4.2.2 on the Vivid (minor and more of an annoyance).
Enjoy!

Wolfhawke said:
Multitasking...not so much, gaming, it's adequate, keep in mind you only have 1Gb of ram and the OS takes up roughly 1/2-2/3rds of it.
Storage is not a problem though with 8Gb internal and it'll handle 32Gb SD card with no issues. It does a good job as a camera and media device.
If you have the time and notion, I would suggest reading up on how to S-OFF(optional but makes life easier), installing custom recovery, and installing a custom ROM (Albinoman887's AOSP 4.2.2 is nice and relatively stable). Just be sure to read the thread regarding some issues with 4.2.2 on the Vivid (minor and more of an annoyance).
Enjoy!
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I will man. Thanks for the response

I only paid 75 for mine I must of found a good deal
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jriv said:
I only paid 75 for mine I must of found a good deal
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With or without contract? And how have you experienced your phone so far?

Kevinkdc said:
With or without contract? And how have you experienced your phone so far?
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With a contract (standard upgrade option) I paid... $0.01 for my Vivid, brand new. July of last year, I found it on Amazon.
I'm running DU on it now with great results. Volumes are good, battery life variable (helps a lot if I put it on airplane mode when I am at work where there is no signal to speak of).

cmerlyn said:
With a contract (standard upgrade option) I paid... $0.01 for my Vivid, brand new. July of last year, I found it on Amazon.
I'm running DU on it now with great results. Volumes are good, battery life variable (helps a lot if I put it on airplane mode when I am at work where there is no signal to speak of).
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What's DU? I found mine for $200 on amazon, unlocked. I'm probably going to get it tomorrow. Seriously can't wait.

Kevinkdc said:
What's DU? I found mine for $200 on amazon, unlocked. I'm probably going to get it tomorrow. Seriously can't wait.
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I wouldn't buy this phone over again personally... I'd go with an htc one x or an x+

You can get the one x for around 200 used way better phone this is a nice phone if you need it as a back up
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Kevinkdc said:
What's DU? I found mine for $200 on amazon, unlocked. I'm probably going to get it tomorrow. Seriously can't wait.
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Dirty Unicorn (Jellybean ROM by bilibox). Working very well for me.