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Hi all,
I'm due for and upgrade soon and I was wondering what you think of your operator. Prices / Customer service and support / Network coverage etc.
EDIT-My original reason for this thread is below. I took the risk of going with Orange today and got a Trinity
I'm considering a Trinity (only on Orange atm) or a Hermes (on o2, T-Mobile and Vodafone)
I prefer to look of the Trinity (bigger storage card, size, cheaper and GPS) but I view Orange as a bad point, but the Hermes has more support and roms here and is available with my current operator - o2, who I plan to bribe with 'give a free phone and a better contract, or I'll go to t-mobile or vodafone.' Anyone had any luck doing that?
reliability- vodafone
best deals - t-mobile
t-mobile wins
Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
damac said:
Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
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err usual broadband is fair use too. only very few are truly unlimited
damac said:
Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
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How much are you planning on using? I find it hard to get anywhere close to the 1GB fair use "limit" on standard Web n Walk.
Unless you plan on doing a lot of streaming video, in which case you should get the Web n Walk pro which has a 10Gb ceiling, you will find it hard to download a lot on a pocket pc.
bbobeckyj, I tried the same 'bribe' but it got me nowhere. I have always been on O2, but might have to switch to Vodafone because they have much better contracts that suit my needs for my XDA Mini S. Vodafon are bringing out a new internet extra as well soon, so I'm going to wait until then.
Well guys and gals I successfully ported across to t-mobile from O2....the data charges are just scandalous on O2.
Web-n-walk and U-Fix 25....nice
HSDPA activated already according to the woman at t-mobile and i can verify it was....just watched the latest BBC News feed without a hitch!.
NICE
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How much are you planning on using? I find it hard to get anywhere close to the 1GB fair use "limit" on standard Web n Walk.
Unless you plan on doing a lot of streaming video, in which case you should get the Web n Walk pro which has a 10Gb ceiling, you will find it hard to download a lot on a pocket pc.
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I was thinking of using skype a lot actually. For that, I think definitely 1 GB limit will be crossed fairly easily. But for that also need a fast connection. Will look into all this when about to get new contract near end August.
Midget1990: I didn't know that usual broadband is also capped! I have NTL and I download easily something like 20 to 40 gigs a month, which sometimes increases and sometimes decreases... So far never faced any caps, and got this connection just for that fact that it was 'really' unlimited, even if the speed was just 2 Mbps.
Just so you know, t-mobiles usage policy doesnt allow skype...you have to use the web-n-walk pro for that.
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Just so you know, t-mobiles usage policy doesnt allow skype...you have to use the web-n-walk pro for that.
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Thanks for that!!!
You just potentially saved me spending a lot over nothing.
Now all that's left is to find someone who does allow unlimited usage and VOIP. I think I'm living in dreamworld
I don't really want to pay loads for a contract, but it looks like the cheapest t-mobile do is about £30 . Which would you say is better out of web n walk and flext?
EDIT: Just looked at flext 20 and it looks perfect for me. (Mobile internet (t-zones, WAP or web'n'walk) charges
Browsing costs 0.73p per KB, a maximum charge of £1 per day no matter how much you browse the internet on your mobile phone.)
Please could somebody say though, where would the £1 for the internet come from, because the £34 you get to spend a month just says that you use it on calls and texts. Does it come from somewhere else? (Never been on a contract before)
Well all i can say is im using flext 25 with web-n-walk 18.....that works out at 32.50 a month..........unlimited internet (obviously fair use...but a gig is MASSIVE for a pda)
the flext thing has 60 quid of allowance, works out at (if you go half for text and half for calls)
300 texts
150 minutes (anytime,anywhere(uk) )
plus free weekend calls to ANY uk number (not including premium or 08 numbers)
Youd get much more out of the flext + web-n-walk 25, but i really wanted to pay the cheapest option. I hate it when they put a few quid in between, but boost the allowance by almost double.
delude said:
Youd get much more out of the flext + web-n-walk 25, but i really wanted to pay the cheapest option. I hate it when they put a few quid in between, but boost the allowance by almost double.
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Yer ive noticed that...but the free weekend calls must be worth a HELL of alot.....think thats a limited time offer aswell??
Which have you looked at then?
I was gonna go with flext 20 + web-n-walk.
I can't see when the offer ends, I can't actually start the contract now so was going to in a month or so.
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Thanks for that!!!
You just potentially saved me spending a lot over nothing.
Now all that's left is to find someone who does allow unlimited usage and VOIP. I think I'm living in dreamworld
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WnW MAX allows skype, its basicly everything like home Broadband but with 10gb fair usage, you can go over but if you go over say 3months in a row they may contact you and ask you to reduce it, allthou 10gb for a PDA is a hell of a lot, unless you plan on using it as a modem a lot of the time 10gb should do.
if you will be using it as a modem all the time then the t-mobile usb modem might be a better option as that allows unlimtied internet - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/personal/.../internet-on-the-move/internet-on-your-laptop
Regards
I wish that t-mobile did a cheaper flext and web-n-walk. I only really want to spend £20 a month.
Orange - best customer service, talk 7 data plans ok, do the Trinity on very good deals if you shop around
T mobile - plans excellent if you want flexibility or if you download a lot.
O2 - customerservice absolute ****, plans ok, once the best range of PDA's - now limited
Vodafone - havnt a clue
Really depends on deal your offered. Orange clinched it for me at last upgrade - 7 months free line rental and a free trinity with GPS on a 12 month contract.
One thing to note about t-mobile wnw.
They are blocking IRC/MSN etc... over GPRS, some users have reported those apps are working correctly however recently signed up customers seem to have ports blocked??
Id be interested to know if anyone can use IRC over wnw....if so what GPRS settings are you using?
bbobeckyj said:
my current operator - o2, who I plan to bribe with 'give a free phone and a better contract, or I'll go to t-mobile or vodafone.' Anyone had any luck doing that?
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Short answer - no. I've been with Genie and then O2 for many years, and the one thing that's happened in that time is handset and contracts have become more expensive. I rang up a while ago to try and get a new XDA, and they wanted to put me on a £35+ contract and I would still have to pay something for a (decent) phone.
What O2 are good at (for me at least) is giving you dirt cheap contracts. For instance I got a 1 year contract of £20 a month reduced to £10 a month, then £100 cash back for not taking a phone. So I'm paying £20 for a whole year for Online Offpeak 300 (or whatever the hell it is). Even the O2 rep suggested I just get an XDA off Ebay.
Hey guys,
I'm looking around for a PDA, I've never really had one before but I really like the sound of the Kaiser.
Does O2 (UK) have a Kaiser based product?
Many Thanks
I have read a couple of things which suggest that O2 don't intend to pick up the Kaiser. Not sure how accurate the source information is though.
I doubt it!
I've been hoping since I first saw the Kaiser that O2 would be picking it up to release this year, as my contract runs out in November so I was going to upgrade to it then...
But since they've only just released the TyTN as the XDA Trion in the last couple of months, and that phone has been with every other network for over a year, I doubt very much they'll replace their "flagship" phone I suppose with a new one inside 6 months :-(
Yeh, I think you are probably right myk_83.
I have to say I can't imagine going back ot O2 now anyway. I used to be with O2 and they were fine, a good company, but with phones like this I find the Tmobile Web'n'Walk incredible value for money.
Unlimited data (within reason ) for under a tenner a month, compared to the other networks per mb charging. It is no exaggeration to say that my data use would cost me a couple of hundred pounds per month on the other networks
Awww man!
Say it isn't so!
I've been with O2 for 18 months now - on just a regular phone - and I've been really impressed with them, I've no experience with there data services but I'd hate to have to switch networks.
Osbornaldo said:
Say it isn't so!
I've been with O2 for 18 months now - on just a regular phone - and I've been really impressed with them, I've no experience with there data services but I'd hate to have to switch networks.
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Yeh, I never had any problems with O2, they were a good company. With these types of phones though, chances are you are going to want to download your emails, surf the net etc... and you will find that your data use creeps up faster than you realise.
I am not sure what O2 are currently charging but generally the other networks seem to charge around £3 to £4 (it used to be £7.50 per mb with most networks!!) per megabyte of data. I wouldn't consider myself a particularly heavy data user but I have used 40mb in a month before now which would cost me a fortune!
With Tmobile, it is just £7.50 per month ... big difference.
Aye,
E-mails and web connectivity are a large part of my needs.
I'm also looking at the possibility of developing custom apps to make me more productive (I'm a .Net developer by trade) and these apps would often rely on connectivity to the web.
I don't want to switch providers... but I'm starting to feel it may be inevitable.
Yeh, it may be the way to go. I haven't looked at O2's tarriffs though since I got my Vario 2 a year ago so perhaps they now offer a data plan, they didn't then but they might now. It's worth asking.
Only thing I would say about Tmobile is that in my area there is limited 3G coverage which means for the most part I am on the slower GPRS connection. This doesn't bother me at all but would bother some who use the video calling or need a faster connection. If you decide that it is time to try a new network, if you need 3G, check on the coverage for your area first.
... also, you can take your number to Tmobile if you need to, I did and it was nice and easy.
O2 Data
I think O2 include 1mb of browsing with their contract tariffs for free, and then they charge £3 for 2mb, or £5 for 4mb as bolt-ons. For me, that's not much of a problem, because pretty much everywhere that I'm not driving and can use my phone there's a wi-fi network I can access, so I very rarely use GPRS (can't use 3G at the minute cos I have a Wizard).
I can see this being pretty useless tho if you ever use GPRS or 3G internet, as I've noticed most pages loading about 150-200kb on average, so that's only gonna be about 10 sites with the 2mb package :-/ I guess it depends on what you use it for, and like I said, it probably wouldn't bother me, but it'd be nice to have 3G and be able to use it without paying a bundle!
There's not much chance of O2 selling the Kaiser tho, and although O2 in general have been pretty good to me for about 10 years, they don't seem overly fussed with PDA phones in general (they never did an AKU 3.x upgrade for the Mini S, and stuck at 2) and are slow to upgrade models, so I'm gonna check around when my contract's up and just try and move my number wherever I go.
Bit of a knee jerk reaction... but I think I'm already sold on T-mobile.
I just need to check coverage because I work in a few remote locations.
Crikey Mate!
I work in the sticks - but according to T-mobile's website there 3G coverage is at absolute maximum in my area plus very good @ home and the other sites I work...
Really do have no excuses now
I'm also on O2 and my contract is running out in December....T-mobile seems like a good bet IMO....what's the Kaiser named on T-Mobile?
budo*85 said:
I'm also on O2 and my contract is running out in December....T-mobile seems like a good bet IMO....what's the Kaiser named on T-Mobile?
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When it gets released, it will be branded as the MDA Vario 3 I think
myk_83 said:
I've been hoping since I first saw the Kaiser that O2 would be picking it up to release this year, as my contract runs out in November so I was going to upgrade to it then...
But since they've only just released the TyTN as the XDA Trion in the last couple of months, and that phone has been with every other network for over a year, I doubt very much they'll replace their "flagship" phone I suppose with a new one inside 6 months :-(
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I have no information on this at all, just an opinion. The Kaiser is a direct replacement for the Exec, which is 2 years old & can't be selling much now. There is a definite case for O2 to replace the Exec with what is essentially HTC's best ever product & one that would generate them considerable revenues especially data. If I was XDA product mgr at O2 I would be selling the Kaiser straight away.
The matter of data charges is somewhat irrelevant to O2's ability to market this product - anyone who use significant date on O2 should have one of their data tarrifs, mine is for 36Mb per month, I usually have a little left over each month & I leave my emails on all the time & I look at lots of web sites each day.
Either way, I really hope that O2 do market the Kaiser.
I thought that the Omni was going to be the successor of the Exec (Universal), while the Kaiser was the next gen Trion (Hermes).
I'm basing this guess entirely on looks, of course...
Also, I thought that O2 had just got some shiny new XDA device in, as well as their Cocoon. I can't see them getting another (better) device in to overshadow them.
I'm happy to jump ship to T-Mobile, as the O2 data rates are extortionate.
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I thought that the Omni was going to be the successor of the Exec (Universal), while the Kaiser was the next gen Trion (Hermes).
I'm basing this guess entirely on looks, of course...
Also, I thought that O2 had just got some shiny new XDA device in, as well as their Cocoon. I can't see them getting another (better) device in to overshadow them.
I'm happy to jump ship to T-Mobile, as the O2 data rates are extortionate.
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t-mobile suck ass for service tho!
my gf has so many problems with the customer services, network coverage etc etc
Well, my choice appears to be:
Stay with O2 and get no TyTN II (or get it SIM free, which is expensive)
Switch to Orange, Vodafone or T-Mobile and get it on contract.
My O2 contract runs out at the end of September.
Interesting...
according to the announcement today, the group that owns O2 will be getting it, so you may be in luck if you hold on with your current contract.
personally i'd move to tmo, they're pretty committed to developing all their 3G services
Expansys appear to be able to sell the Kaiser on O2 & Voda contracts, might be worth a call.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=258736&view=findpost&p=840064
Gordon
I'm not a business executive, I'm only an 18 year-old student. I'm interested in getting the AT&T Tilt (I live in California) but I've had a couple of drawbacks.. I wanted to ask you guys if you feel it was worth the $300 to buy the phone. I don't plan on getting a data plan ($40? I'll pass!) but I do plan on getting unlimited sms. I do a lot of texting and instant messaging. Thanks in advance for your guys help!
If you dont need a PDA just get a mobile. I got a Kaiser but returned it for an N95 8gb as I wanted a phone that actually worked
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I'm not a business executive, I'm only an 18 year-old student. I'm interested in getting the AT&T Tilt (I live in California) but I've had a couple of drawbacks.. I wanted to ask you guys if you feel it was worth the $300 to buy the phone. I don't plan on getting a data plan ($40? I'll pass!) but I do plan on getting unlimited sms. I do a lot of texting and instant messaging. Thanks in advance for your guys help!
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You better off with a sidekick, or some mobile phone with a keyboard.
RUBBLEDOUBLE said:
If you dont need a PDA just get a mobile. I got a Kaiser but returned it for an N95 8gb as I wanted a phone that actually worked
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Lol I gave up my Nokia N95 8GB for Kaiser.
Hey look into Nokmote and Shutup for N95 if you haven't already.
Okay so now I'm really leaning towards this. I could use the GPS.. I like the fact how you can use different ROMs and applications on it. But I still don't plan on using the data other than within the wifi range. Will I have to pay for my usage of aim if I have unlimited sms? Personally, is it worth the $300?
That depends on you. I access my desktop a lot for quotes & business data. Being able to log on to my desktop from anywhere without having to lug around a laptop or burn gas driving back to home or the office is worth more than $300 dollars even more than $300 per a year. I stream some engineering videos for customers & I use it to listen to stereo music wirelessly while I jog. Heck, I can even ocassionaly watch porn. All from the same device!
I don't know what you're planning on using it for though. I couldn't imagine having a device without a data plan. If you don't get a data plan make sure you disable the data network. My first PDA years ago, I thought I'd try it out for a month befor I decided if I wanted a data plan....$541.00 mistake.
Really though, how often are you going to use the features it offers? That's what determines it's value. Not what I or anyone else thinks.
Mainly as a daily planner, mp3 player, messager. I doubt I'll use it much for email and such since I'm in college and the computer labs are not far from my classes. I just want to make sure what is considered DATA and what is considered part of the plan. If I use GPS, is it considered Data?
Hi...
Im not sure in which section to post this question but...
I'd really like to be able to watch TV on my handset and I'm tempted to buy a Slingbox and hook it up to my Sky+, as the prices for this hardware have dropped to around £50.
The thing that worries me is any charges Vodafone might make for data transfer charges.
On another forum Ive seen a Vodafone user claim that he doesn't get any extra charges using his handset to receive TV via Slingbox using 3G, but I'm skeptical.
I know that using WiFi would incur no costs, but what about 3G & HSDPA...
Do any forum members have first hand experience of using Slingbox on the Vodafone network ?
If so, are you charged for doing so, if you are, how much do you end up paying ?
BTW, I'm on the £7.50 Mobile Internet Plan.
TIA,
Mark.
I would assume that they have a data paackage you can purchase that would make using data free.
Yeah, I have an allowance of 500Mb a month which cost's me £7.50 a month, which isn't much, I'm guessing this will allow me to watch about 8 hours of TV a month - and the cost for exceeding this amount is high.
Do any Vodafone UK customers have experience of using Slingbox on their mobile ?
M.
Data packages are something you have to check for yourself, try to get the maximum allowance for the least price (obvious really when you think about it!!)
Thing you have to take into account is, no matter WHAT package suppliers say about bandwith, it is down to how many users are on the cell at the same time as YOU!! I have been on HSDPA at an exhibition site and got a slower connection that in Scotland on a basic GPRS connection. Again, logical when you think about it!! So check the web, ask around and see who really does give you the best connection/cost.
As to Sling...
I have a Slingbox basic (cheap one from PC World) on an extra Sky box in my UK home with the extra room package at just 10 quid (make sure its connected to the phoneline at the Skybox or they disconn you!) and use it on PC and mobile here in UAE.
Both work great so it's a good investment on that score.
H.
My question is a variation of a couple of threads about the GN being blocked from using ATT as a phone (because of the existing data plan they were using).
I make less than 20 phone calls a month, but use my current HD2 on wifi for other tasks.
Looking at the ATT data plans, it appears that the 4G 2gb data plan for tablets would suit me to a T for the GN. I could then get the little voice I use thru VOIP.
Anyone know a way I can (legally) do this on the GN ? (My note will arrive this week).
Edit: This would allow me to cancel my phone line, saving $10 and get the tablet plan for $25. Net cost per month $15 for my GN with data.
It's not a tablet. It has an earpiece built in and it's screen is under 7 inches. Just my opinion. Would you think the Nexus Prime is a Tablet? Is the Dell Streak a tablet? So I would hope it's not possible. However this is being debated I guess.
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It's not a tablet. It has an earpiece built in and it's screen is under 7 inches. Just my opinion. Would you think the Nexus Prime is a Tablet? Is the Dell Streak a tablet? So I would hope it's not possible. However this is being debated I guess.
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What legitimate reason could you have for hoping it's not possible? The tablet/phone categories are purely arbitrary assignments.
Why should a wireless company force me to pay for phone service in addition to data service purely because my device has the capability to act as a phone? The service provider is not subsidizing my device, therefore he is losing no revenue. This only makes sense to the service provider because he has the power to do it.
Its a phone with mediocre stylus support, not a tablet. Besides I don't think anyone here wants to see this phone classified as a tablet so don't be surprised if people are less than enthusiastic in assisting you.
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5150Joker said:
Its a phone with mediocre stylus support, not a tablet. Besides I don't think anyone here wants to see this phone classified as a tablet so don't be surprised if people are less than enthusiastic in assisting you.
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Oh, I see. If it were a choice of tablet or phone according to what I see as the current wireless provider "rules", then I would want it to be a phone, also.
However, as a more general rule, why can't an unlocked device funded solely by the purchaser use and pay for either data or voice, or both? That's what I was trying to get at. I could go on and on about the topic, but will stop now.
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My question is a variation of a couple of threads about the GN being blocked from using ATT as a phone (because of the existing data plan they were using).
I make less than 20 phone calls a month, but use my current HD2 on wifi for other tasks.
Looking at the ATT data plans, it appears that the 4G 2gb data plan for tablets would suit me to a T for the GN. I could then get the little voice I use thru VOIP.
Anyone know a way I can (legally) do this on the GN ? (My note will arrive this week).
Edit: This would allow me to cancel my phone line, saving $10 and get the tablet plan for $25. Net cost per month $15 for my GN with data.
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Hi,
This is possible. I just got it setup this way this weekend. Picked the $25 plan and I am using VOIP to make/receive calls. PM me
AT&T wants to do anything and everything in their power to raise revenue, despite anything the customers want. That means forcing tablet users to pay for a tablet data plan, as well as a phone data plan (and voice/sms).
I'd say you don't have to do anything special if you're looking for a data only plan for a tablet, since that's how they've been detecting the Note. Just buy your plan and stick the sim card in the Note.
You've really got me thinking here... If AT&T gives me any crap for the GN I'm about to swap my iPhone 3GS SIM into, I'll just quit my off-contract deal with them and move to a Google Voice with Groove IP setup on pure data for $25 a month on AT&T. So long as it works reasonably well I really can't see a downside. Their call quality is nauseatingly bad anyway, so how bad could it be to switch this setup in?
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You've really got me thinking here... If AT&T gives me any crap for the GN I'm about to swap my iPhone 3GS SIM into, I'll just quit my off-contract deal with them and move to a Google Voice with Groove IP setup on pure data for $25 a month on AT&T. So long as it works reasonably well I really can't see a downside. Their call quality is nauseatingly bad anyway, so how bad could it be to switch this setup in?
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This is what I have been doing on my iPhone 4 for the last 3 months. I use the google voice app for text, and talkatone(same as grooveIP) for voice. My Note come in any minute now and I'll be trying to get my unlimited data iPad sim to work in it.
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This is what I have been doing on my iPhone 4 for the last 3 months. I use the google voice app for text, and talkatone(same as grooveIP) for voice. My Note come in any minute now and I'll be trying to get my unlimited data iPad sim to work in it.
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No more drooped calls than usual? My only worry is jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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No more drooped calls than usual? My only worry is jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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It is most certainly less reliable then having full voice capability. The quality "works" but I would not like to be on the phone any longer then I have to. I bought a $20 Go phone that I leave turned off in my car in case I need to make a longer, more important phone calls.
I don't use the phone for conversation, my generation and below is moving to mostly text based model(I'm 25). I like to use the excuse that I'm a collage student, so I can't afford the month bills of full service, so that's why I don't answer your calls ...then I got spend $700 on a Note when I already have a iPhone 4. You will not see me at OWS! lol
Is it normal to be waiting like a little giddy school boy by the door with your laptop waiting for the FedEx truck?
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I got my Note! I have it set up and H+ is working with my iPad SIM Card!
I used the normal APN Settings for ATT, with just a few modifications.
Name: AT&T Broadband(this name does not matter I think)
APN: broadband
Proxy: {leave this blank}
Port: {leave this blank}
User name: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
Server: {leave this blank}
MMSC: {leave this blank}
MMS proxy: {leave this blank}
MMS port: {leave this blank}
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
Authentication type: {leav this blank}
APN type: internet
I too use data only but have done it a different way.. I use a Verizon MIFI yes its 50 buck a month and I have to carry another device but the speeds are really fast.. I’m getting 11Meg down and 10Meg up. Screaming fast and for Dallas that blows AT&T out of the water. Just a suggestion.