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Lately I've noticed that my Milestone has some problems with displaying colors.
I have attached the screenshot of my home, where you can see terrible transitions between similar hues.
lso, there is wallpaper file attached, which seems to be okay to me.
Is it common with those screens or it's just my Milestone?
my milestone does the same :/ could it be that it does not have 16 million colors?
24 bit images on a 16 bit display will cause the banding you see.
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24 bit images on a 16 bit display will cause the banding you see.
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i find it weird that no reviews mentions this or even the specifications sheet, :/ the desire has an 24 bit display?
That's what I thought, pretty much.
Still, it being not mentioned is strange, as it seems to be fairly serious issue. Unless it's possible to convert images with no quality loss visible on the screen.
The proper term is dither, in cyanogen you can enable surface dithering in cyanogen mod settings > performance which should improve image quality at the cost of performance. Not sure about other roms.
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im curious to know about the display used in the droid 2 and droid x, the htc desire, are they using a 24 bit display now?
The Droid/Milestone does have a 24-bit display: http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
In fact, the Droid 2 uses the same LCD.
That gradient problem with your image is probably caused by several problems:
1. The picture is not a true 24-bit image.
2. Google's Gallery is limited to 16-bit!
The Milestone/Droid has one of the finest LCDs on the market, and if it had not been so expensive when it was first released in Canada ($600!), I would have bought it in a heartbeat, despite the locked bootloader.
EDIT: I've just examined the photo on my 24-bit Aquos, and it looks perfectly smooth, so the problem is being caused by Android 2.1. FroYo's Gallery is also limited to 16-bit.
So what gallery could I use to put wallpapers on?
Flikie does pretty much the same, as it uses Froyo gallery.
Well, it seems that application named Wallpaper Set and Save (find it in market, it's free) is the easy way out.
This app lets you set the 24-bit wallpaper keeping the desired quality, more or less.
Though, it may make Launcher Pro FC a couple of times right after setting the new wallpaper, then it works flawlessly.
applebook said:
The Droid/Milestone does have a 24-bit display: http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
In fact, the Droid 2 uses the same LCD.
That gradient problem with your image is probably caused by several problems:
1. The picture is not a true 24-bit image.
2. Google's Gallery is limited to 16-bit!
The Milestone/Droid has one of the finest LCDs on the market, and if it had not been so expensive when it was first released in Canada ($600!), I would have bought it in a heartbeat, despite the locked bootloader.
EDIT: I've just examined the photo on my 24-bit Aquos, and it looks perfectly smooth, so the problem is being caused by Android 2.1. FroYo's Gallery is also limited to 16-bit.
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if the 16 bit problem is androids fault how could google not fix this in 2.2? so thats why a lot of of phones use a different gallery than the stock, im surprised this isnt mentioned more often
This link should be a sticky http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362605,00.asp
jackeh070 said:
Well, it seems that application named Wallpaper Set and Save (find it in market, it's free) is the easy way out.
This app lets you set the 24-bit wallpaper keeping the desired quality, more or less.
Though, it may make Launcher Pro FC a couple of times right after setting the new wallpaper, then it works flawlessly.
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i searched for it and it says it only works in 1.x not in 2.x but it works... weird
Chad_Petree said:
if the 16 bit problem is androids fault how could google not fix this in 2.2? so thats why a lot of of phones use a different gallery than the stock, im surprised this isnt mentioned more often
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Yeah, I agree. Apparently, Samsung's Galaxy S Gallery is a bit better. Not truly 24-bit, but the Galaxy S adds improved dithering. The Galaxy S, with all of the hype about SAMOLED, is not even a real 24-bit display You Milestone/Droid/Droid 2 folks have the best Android screen, IMO.
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This link should be a sticky http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362605,00.asp
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True.
Google is not eager to tell you the answer if you don't exactly know what you are looking for. And for non-technical people it may be hard to guess.
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im curious to know about the display used in the droid 2 and droid x, the htc desire, are they using a 24 bit display now?
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i dont know what the droid screen was like but i got a milestone 2(droid 2) yesterday and the screen looks awful on it, nothing but dull colours, i just made a post about it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10401973#post10401973
Two things that were holding me back from getting a Vivid:
-Operation speed (laggy compared to Skyrocket/Atrix 2)
-Speaker volume (poor, especially compared to Skyrocket/Atrix 2)
Now that it's unlocked, (thanks for doing the right thing, HTC!) the first quibble will be moot. The question is how likely will the second be corrected by built-in ROM fixes? I already seen one that features "extended volume." Does this mean increased speaker output? Is this a common feature? (new to ROMs) For past Inspire owners, did the ROMs for it commonly feature increased speaker volume? (owned it briefly, same complaint)
I have the htc inspire and i had the low volume output when it was stock but with root and custom rom volume was not an issue anymore. Looking to get the vivid shortly and and with root and custom rom it should fix volume issue as well i hope.
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I have the htc inspire and i had the low volume output when it was stock but with root and custom rom volume was not an issue anymore. Looking to get the vivid shortly and and with root and custom rom it should fix volume issue as well i hope.
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Thank you! I figured that current/past Inspire owners would have input on the subject!
I know the average user probably doesn't use the speaker as much as I do so I didn't know how much of a concern it was for the dev community. It doesn't have to be great quality but it does have to be audible, something that I've found HTC phones (and others) lack. Samsung and Motorola seem to have their stuff together in this department. In fact, I like or am tolerant to everything about the Skyrocket/GSII except for that horrible AMOLED display... but that's a huge feature to consider a downside. I also enjoyed using the Atrix 2 quite a bit as it seemingly doesn't do anything wrong but its display certainly lacks the "wow" factor of the Vivid's and it lacks features that I like such as quick settings in the notification bar. Worse yet, I'm reading about software bugs that, for me, would be maddening. Since it's locked down for the foreseeable future with what's seemingly minimal dev interest at the moment it seems like any complaints would be there at least for a while.
As it stands, I think the only lackluster caveat that the Vivid will ultimately be stuck with will be mic quality during video recording. (sounds horrible in camera tests and is constantly bashed in reviews) I take pics but don't do much with video so I'm fine with this. Ultimately, it's that beautiful screen and solid build quality/heft that's attracting me to the handset. The only other screen that has impressed me as much belongs to the Rezound. However, while the Rezound's extra resolution is no doubt the catalyst for its slight increase in clarity over the Vivid's, color saturation/contrast is a dead heat to my eyes while the latter's white balance seems to be more neutral. After spending more time with the Rezound, it almost looks like a bit of blue was added to HTC's typically neutral grayscale no doubt because the masses perceive it as "brighter" or more "vibrant." Of course this could have just represented the normal variation from handset to handset, but I hope this doesn't begin a trend for HTC as, to me, their displays have always been fairly videophile friendly.
This update is too slow compared to other vendors but its Huge. Please note however, that this is a major update which includes:
The important thing for LG user is.. be patient, because this is the most complex update compared with others vendors (who just upgraded the version). Overall, everything is almost done, just QUICK MEMO which should be optimized. Maybe you think this a regular feature wrote, but to write smoothly and fast, it needed the high processor, to let the writing be on time. At the latest of September this update is hoped to be released…
latest LG UI (3.0 Optimus UI).
fixes bugin previous versions, as well as new features.
Display interface Optimus UI 3.0 brings several new features,including .
a new lock screen(with shortcuts and new gesture, plus a look underneath, and face unlock).
quick memo (write on your screen wherever you want ).
new gallery ics.
new notification.
task manager ics .
4 new themes(with wallpaper, icons, a different menu structure).
12 new fonts, icon changer (picture may be the app icon),
new music player.
equalizer manual control.
voice capture (photo just say “cheese”.
14 new home screen transition effect.
new widgets ics style.
adding bitrate video recording (720p only 7Mbps who first kept so 9Mbps, which first 1080p 16mbps 10mbps now).
fixes bug camera (focus, time capture, white balance).
fixes a bug in the current battery standby.
new app called “home media” (a type of application for enjoying photos / videos / music, but only for Optimus vu / Lte / nitro HD).
upgraded browser (no night mode feature for battery saving).
improved performance, better ram a management.
look more simple (there are 2 color options menu, white and black ,or grey and brown).
update for Optimus 3d 3d feature (DSLR shot, ruler tag, 3d macro, manual focus, zooming while recording).
the addition of video and photo 3d for Optimus 3d (from national geographic world music concerts n 3d).
new game called “Archer Craft” Made by LG for Optimus 3d (3d version) 2x and lucid sol,
new exclusive ringtone composed by Ennio Morricone.
new gesture feature for Optimus black.
movie editor v1.7 version for Optimus Lte / nitro HD / vu, vu Optimus create a new app just use the stylus for photo editing).
new cartoon themes for Optimus 3d.
auto repair brightness on Optimus black.
new features in the video player for Optimus nitro / Lte / vu (that is fast / slow motion, live zooming, thumbnails seek, additional audio), n many new.
Though I agree this is an important piece of information (but not really a valid excuse for the ICS update to take so long), this should have been posted in the ICS 4.0 discussion thread.
Never the less, good job anyway, mate!
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Though I agree this is an important piece of information (but not really a valid excuse for the ICS update to take so long), this should have been posted in the ICS 4.0 discussion thread.
Never the less, good job anyway, mate!
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No, not a "good job", just somebody else running here with old news that doesn't bother to search before posting or to even post it in the right place
This is old (unofficial) news that was posted on Facebook and here nearly a week ago - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30921943&postcount=4498
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posted 1 week ago in the ics thread -.-
but not all in that list is included in o2x itself i hope their would be a specific list for the changelog of o2x update
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posted 1 week ago in the ics thread -.-
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And who cares? I don`t have the time to read all 5000 pages of the official overbloated ics thread to read 1 useful post after 500 trash-posts...sometime it is good to export some info where it can be read directly with a good title, so good job to the OP!
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I don't really see why you guys are giving the poster such a bad time for this, the post made by galaxyfitankit (see post #3 in this thread) makes me want to drown myself. In my own pee. It's almost like he doesn't know what the "Enter" key does.
Eventhough the info here is not very original, it's posted in a more readable way
Also, galaxyfitankit's post was #4498 in the ICS thread, who the hell is going to browse through all these posts just to find it? So yeah...
So no news on the update?
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For 2013 or 2014 this update.
What about LG OPTIMUS 3D MAX??
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And who cares? I don`t have the time to read all 5000 pages of the official overbloated ics thread to read 1 useful post after 500 trash-posts...sometime it is good to export some info where it can be read directly with a good title, so good job to the OP!
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What's wrong with you? Take it easy
They say end of september.
Two weeks later for the kernel sauce release and then fixes..
Can't wait till october...
metala said:
They say end of september.
Two weeks later for the kernel sauce release and then fixes..
Can't wait till october...
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It kernel sauce something you have with kfc?
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According with the author of the topic, I'm happy that someone has some news more detailed... But..
Ok it's huge update, but why they doesn't deliver a major update with all but quick memo? Maybe they so can release another one with quick memo when it's ready and maybe also they can check more directly how the update is working and doing the correction for some bugs that can come out...
My opinion is a major ics update, and then another minor with quick memo... Just to let us fell better with their past mistakes...
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Eklovya said:
What about LG OPTIMUS 3D MAX??
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LG Indonesia said:
Related with update ICS for LG, several phones will be launched to ICS.They are LG Optimus Black, 2x, Lucid, Lte, 3D, PRADA, vu, Nitro HD, Spectrum. This various update could certainly have been there at the end of September.
That is all we know. Now that should answer yours as well as many other questions
Optimus g announced and no announcement about ics updates
galaxyfitankit said:
Optimus g announced and no announcement about ics updates
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No surprises there
galaxyfitankit said:
Optimus g announced and no announcement about ics updates
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Just LG not giving a f*** about their customers...
mahar shoaib said:
This update is too slow compared to other vendors but its Huge. Please note however, that this is a major update which includes:
The important thing for LG user is.. be patient, because this is the most complex update compared with others vendors (who just upgraded the version). Overall, everything is almost done, just QUICK MEMO which should be optimized. Maybe you think this a regular feature wrote, but to write smoothly and fast, it needed the high processor, to let the writing be on time. At the latest of September this update is hoped to be released…
latest LG UI (3.0 Optimus UI).
fixes bugin previous versions, as well as new features.
Display interface Optimus UI 3.0 brings several new features,including .
a new lock screen(with shortcuts and new gesture, plus a look underneath, and face unlock).
quick memo (write on your screen wherever you want ).
new gallery ics.
new notification.
task manager ics .
4 new themes(with wallpaper, icons, a different menu structure).
12 new fonts, icon changer (picture may be the app icon),
new music player.
equalizer manual control.
voice capture (photo just say “cheese”.
14 new home screen transition effect.
new widgets ics style.
adding bitrate video recording (720p only 7Mbps who first kept so 9Mbps, which first 1080p 16mbps 10mbps now).
fixes bug camera (focus, time capture, white balance).
fixes a bug in the current battery standby.
new app called “home media” (a type of application for enjoying photos / videos / music, but only for Optimus vu / Lte / nitro HD).
upgraded browser (no night mode feature for battery saving).
improved performance, better ram a management.
look more simple (there are 2 color options menu, white and black ,or grey and brown).
update for Optimus 3d 3d feature (DSLR shot, ruler tag, 3d macro, manual focus, zooming while recording).
the addition of video and photo 3d for Optimus 3d (from national geographic world music concerts n 3d).
new game called “Archer Craft” Made by LG for Optimus 3d (3d version) 2x and lucid sol,
new exclusive ringtone composed by Ennio Morricone.
new gesture feature for Optimus black.
movie editor v1.7 version for Optimus Lte / nitro HD / vu, vu Optimus create a new app just use the stylus for photo editing).
new cartoon themes for Optimus 3d.
auto repair brightness on Optimus black.
new features in the video player for Optimus nitro / Lte / vu (that is fast / slow motion, live zooming, thumbnails seek, additional audio), n many new.
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We are completely screwed by LG. never again! Where is the update. We have yet to have 1 good stable stock rom!
Hello Everyone,
After hearing of the cyber monday deal, I've decided to make the switch from my Nexus 4 to the Moto X. KitKat and active notifications --not to mention the amazing battery life I've been hearing about-- have been enticing me for weeks. Now that I can feasibly get it off contract, I'm gonna go ahead and pull the trigger.
My one and only reservation is the camera. I've heard some bad stuff to be sure; however, I've also read somewhere that things have gotten considerably better after an update (kitkat, perhaps?). I also read that there was a new isolated motorola camera app released through the play store recently. Has the camera IQ improved since launch? Not concerned about the app functionality itself --- rather wondering if the image output is more consistent, if the software correction is better, etc.
Thanks in advance! Can't wait to get one of these things...
Got my answer...
If any of the some 67 people who viewed my post are interested in the same question, MKBHD's new Nexus 5/Moto X comparison video sheds some light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMFLeoDx6J4
short answer for those who don't care to watch it: yes, the camera has been much improved by the new camera update app.
Well, looks like I'm going to have a Moto X soon.
Good video, thanks for posting it. The camera demo for the Moto X was not KitKat. The KitKat version shows a focus/exposure "recticle" in the view finder (also, the status bar close up still had the blue JB icons). That is one of my favorite improvements to the camera. The JB Moto X camera did not have an exposure control, the KitKat version does. Overall the pictures are better in KK on the Moto X.
I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
Battery: ?/10
Display: ?/10
Development: ?/10
Camera: ?/10
Heating: ?/10
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I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
Battery: 10/10
Display: 5/10
Development: 3/10
Camera: 5/10
Heating: 10/10
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Not necessarily the criteria I would be interested but above is my take. The phone is OK performance wise but is an amazing deal with the current prices ($135-150).
sleze said:
Not necessarily the criteria I would be interested but above is my take. The phone is OK performance wise but is an amazing deal with the current prices ($135-150).
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Are you talking about the 6gb variant the OP is asking about?
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I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
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Battery: ?
Display: ?
Development: ?
Camera: ?
Heating: ?
If you were asking about 4 GB variant, perhaps there would be some numbers instead of question marks. And although the phones act quite similarly with different amount of RAM, it seems that the senior member "jhedfors" believes otherwise, making thus advicing pretty much pointless as the 6 GB version is quite a rare one.
Battery 8/10 but on standby it looses about 4% over night.
Display 7/10 u have to play around with the color mode settings in display to get it to your liking
Development 5/10. Doesn't seem like there will be much development in a years time.
Camera 5/10 the pics are ok at best.
Heating 10/10 it really keeps it's cool
I haven't used the phone yet but I can probably say this much. This is for the XT1900-1.
Development: 7/10 - not the biggest thriving community around but there were a number of roms that people are enjoying that came out within the last for months for pie including
Havoc: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-moto-x4-t3890346
Pixel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-pixel-experience-t3876195
Lineage 16 (BETA): https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-lineage-16-0-developer-preview-t3849699
Lesser known/used ROMS:
Arrow: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/arrow-osunofficial-t3888730
Viper: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-viper-os-6-0-pie-t3894651
PLEASE read, then re-read how to use these roms as it's not the most straightforward process.
Here is my process, but I haven't tested it yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78978406&postcount=860
To my knowledge, VoLTE should be working with custom roms but wifi calling will not (wifi calling is only on T-Mobile BTW).
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The other part of development is the GCam app, which currently there are a number of ports for this phone as there is no single best app yet.
Recently, the development teams have been able to enable the wide angle lens, but there are a number of bugs to still iron out.
Example One: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/how-to/guide-x4-camera-gcam-hdr-night-sight-t3874674
Example Two: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78957227&postcount=73
Example Three: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78985555&postcount=190
This should bump up the camera score to maybe ~7 as well.
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I haven't used the phone yet but I can probably say this much. This is for the XT1900-1.
Development: 7/10 - not the biggest thriving community around but there were a number of roms that people are enjoying that came out within the last for months for pie including
Havoc: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-moto-x4-t3890346
Pixel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-pixel-experience-t3876195
Lineage 16 (BETA): https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-lineage-16-0-developer-preview-t3849699
Lesser known/used ROMS:
Arrow: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/arrow-osunofficial-t3888730
Viper: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-viper-os-6-0-pie-t3894651
PLEASE read, then re-read how to use these roms as it's not the most straightforward process.
Here is my process, but I haven't tested it yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78978406&postcount=860
To my knowledge, VoLTE should be working with custom roms but wifi calling will not (wifi calling is only on T-Mobile BTW).
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The other part of development is the GCam app, which currently there are a number of ports for this phone as there is no single best app yet.
Recently, the development teams have been able to enable the wide angle lens, but there are a number of bugs to still iron out.
Example One: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/how-to/guide-x4-camera-gcam-hdr-night-sight-t3874674
Example Two: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78957227&postcount=73
Example Three: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78985555&postcount=190
This should bump up the camera score to maybe ~7 as well.
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Just listed mine on swappa for $120. The Moto G7 came in the mail today. I never had a problem with my X4. It was a great device.