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I've taken my sim card from my old Razr and put it in my new tilt. Everything seems to be working fine. I had unlimited MediaNet data on my Razr. Will that carry thru to my new Tilt?
yes, it will carry through until AT & T realize you have a WM phone then they may make changes to your plan.
i had the same thing i went into the store and asked and all the did was register my phone with the SIM/phone # with the IMEI # the guy said this will keep people from stealing it and putting a new SIM in. but in all reality there isn't a reason to go in and do anything the plan is identical UNLESS! you add MS Exchange, then they tack on an extra $10 or maybe $20 i would have to check. I don't recommend it just hook up your gmail account.
I would just keep the sim int he new device and not say anything about it. Let ATT figure it out. I seriously doubt they will though since they have warranty swaped and upgraded my phones in the past and everytime I call they still think I have my original from when I first started...
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yes, it will carry through until AT & T realize you have a WM phone then they may make changes to your plan.
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is that yer best guess?... cuz it is ONLY a guess, just to post something.
att aint gonna do nothing.. not a thing..
you learned something today..
at least when you post guesses, you should preface it as a guess.
hope my reply helped 2 seperate plans unlimited (which you have) and the Exchange server (allows sync with windows exchange, outlook etc.)
It's not a guess but a fact as I had the 20$ unlimited media package from my razr, then to my Hermes, then to my kaiser, and all was well until my Kaiser crapped out and had to upgrade to the ppc plan to get my new kaiser running. 35$!! They say that data plan doesn't work for ppc's, even though It was working just fine for two and a half years; I smell a lawsuit coming...
I'm not sure why nobody has looked into this with their local attorney's or even at a Federal level, these phone company's are getting away with anything they wish! I don't even pay half that amount for my monthly DSL! **** this ****, goin to downtown L.A. today to connect with my Lawyers
@kaalgoosy: Read this.
Point is, you shouldn't have to run circles and basically trick your service provider from charging you more monthly charges when it's not necessary for getting the same service. Multiply the added service charge by how many new customers are being duped=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yea, there's a way to sneak past these charges by pretending to own an old school miami vice brick phone; but how many other people are getting screwed???
The point is, the plans are pretty unclear now as both are "unlimited". But the cheaper one is to be understood as having lets say a 3GB/month limit before they will come and moan at you because there's no way you'd download that amount of data using a common phone and light browser, while with the expensive one you can do what you want (truly unlimited).
The only thing you would get from suing them is for them to state a clear transfer limit for the cheap plan. The thing is that, but if they have too much trouble they'll just limit the cheap one at lets say 2GB/month.
Or you wouldn't get anywhere as I wouldn't be surprised if there was already a limit mentioned somewhere in the small print that nobody reads.
No, Both plans are labelled and listed as "unlimited" media packages, and I've experienced no extra charges from extra kb or mb downloads for the last two years
there was never a specification on download kb's. It was an all you can eat plan, I must have spent an hour on the phone making sure I wouldn't be charged for exceeding my download limit as I 've seen my friends phone bill exceed 1000$ in one month for sending one too many pics and texts
That's the point. They don't have a fixed transfer amount after which they charge you for extra traffic, rather if they judge you use too much with regard to the device category your plan is meant for they'll "kindly force" you to change for the one that matches the usage you really make of it.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, a contract is a contract, and you can't just change a stipulation or add a ghost policy because it might not suit your company's best interests. Only in my second year of law school, but c'mon, this smells like horse****, gonna read the finer details today
I just wanted to share a very good site of the lost art of manliness, and by manliness I don't mean macho, chauvinistic or anything else negative. Read for yourself and tell me what you think. for example"
Why and How to Start an Emergency Fund
Why do you need an emergency fund?
Because sh** happens and it can be expensive.
Kids end up in the emergency room; your car goes kaput in the middle of New Mexico; your water heater springs a leak. We’ve all experienced these setbacks and their accompanying bills. Some of us have suffered the misfortune of getting laid off and being without a source of income for months. Many people don’t plan for emergencies in their monthly budget, so when the poop hits the fan, they’re forced to take on expensive credit card debt to cover the bills.
An emergency fund is insurance for you and your family. Having cash on hand to cover unexpected expenses has two big benefits. First, it gives you peace of mind. Instead of wringing your hands worrying about where you’re going to come up with the money to cover an emergency expense, you simply transfer money from your emergency fund to your checking account. Crisis averted.
Second, and more importantly, it helps you get ahead financially. Instead of taking on more debt by using your credit card for emergencies, an emergency savings fund will prevent you from digging yourself deeper into a hole.
An added benefit of an emergency fund is the feeling of pride that self-sufficiency gives a man. You can’t beat it.
Where to Stash Your Emergency Fund
Your emergency fund should be liquid and easily accessible. While it may be tempting to get a higher interest rate by putting your money in a CD or mutual fund, those savings devices make getting to your money difficult when you need it most. Instead, opt for a boring old savings or checking account with a local or online bank.
Local banks. Local banks are great places to stash your emergency fund because you probably already do business with them. Just visit a branch and ask to open a separate savings account for your emergency fund. Depositing money into your account is easy because you can do the transaction in person. Ensure that your savings account is connected with a checking account, so you can easily transfer emergency money to your checking account when you need to spend it. The downside with brick and mortar banks is that the interest rate isn’t that great, but this isn’t a big deal because we’re not trying to get rich on the interest from our emergency fund.
Online banks. Online banks are a great place to keep your emergency fund because they typically have higher interest rates and lower costs and fees than the brick and mortar variety. A few years ago online banks like ING Direct and Ally had crazy monthly interest rates between 2%-4%, but they’ve since gone down to about 0.8-1%. Not fantastic, but still better than most traditional banks.
I keep our emergency fund in a checking account with ING Direct. The free debit card makes the money easy to get to when I need it.
The biggest drawback with online banking is the inconvenience. You can’t go into a branch to deposit money; to fund your online account, you have to connect it to a traditional bank. And if you don’t have a debit card for your online account, getting to your money can be difficult. You’ll have to request a transfer from your online account to your traditional account and wait three to four business days for the transaction to clear.
Personally, I find this inconvenience a helpful firewall that ensures I don’t cheat and dip into my emergency fund for things that aren’t really emergencies. But just do what works for you.
Should I keep some cash under the mattress? It’s not a bad idea to keep part of your emergency fund hidden somewhere in your house. Natural disasters and zombie apocalypses can knock out banks and ATM machines for days and even weeks, cutting you off from your money. $300-$400 in cash is a good amount to have on hand. Hide it in your mattress, store it in a fireproof safe, or even keep it in your bug out bag. For style points, keep your emergency cash in a secret book safe.
How Much Do I Need in My Emergency Fund?
When Kate and I were working on paying off our debt, we followed Dave Ramsey’s Total Money Makeover. I know Dave has his critics, but his plan worked for us. Dave believes you should create a $1,000 emergency fund before you start working on paying off your debt. That way, you can use this small cushion for emergency expenses, instead of adding to your debt by using your credit card.
After paying off your debt, you begin building an emergency fund with enough money to cover three to six months of basic living expenses. We’re talking the bare necessities here. That’s about $5,000-$25,000 for most folks. This fund is designed to cover most big emergencies and provide enough money to live on in case you lose your job.
Emergency Fund Goal #1: $1,000 Fast!
Our $1,000 emergency fund came in handy several times during our debt repayment process. When I was in law school we had a few emergency car repairs that came up. We also had to make a couple of unexpected visits to the hospital. Instead of having to use credit cards, we were able to pay for these expenses with cash from our emergency fund. No new debt!
The goal is to get this $1,000 emergency account funded as quickly as possible. You also want to ensure that your account constantly has $1,000 in it, so whenever you use funds from your emergency account, you’ll want to replenish your fund as soon as possible.
“Alright,” you might be thinking, “This sounds good in theory, but how am I going to scrape together $1K when I’m barely making ends meet as it is?”
I know pulling together $1,000 can seem daunting. I’ve been there. We built our emergency fund when I was in law school. Kate and I were both working part-time, but we were barely getting by. Despite that, we were able to fund our $1,000 emergency stash in just two months. The key to creating a $1,000 emergency fund in a short amount of time is 1) increasing your income quickly and 2) cutting big expenses. In short, hustle and sacrifice.
There are a myriad of ways to cut expenses and increase your income. Listing them all would be a post in and of itself. So here are a few ways that helped Kate and I build our $1,000 emergency fund. I’d love to read what worked for you.
1. Have a yard sale. Taking part in a garage sale went a long way in helping us quickly reach our $1,000 goal. We piggybacked on a yard sale Kate’s parents were having and gathered together all the crap we hadn’t used for months and the things people had given us when we got married that we’d never used, and sold it. At the end of the day, we netted about $250, and it went right into our emergency fund savings account. The other added bonus was our place was cleaner and tidier without the extra clutter lying around.
2. Sell your old DVDs, books, and video games on Amazon.com. I’m a book hound. I love reading books. When I was in high school and college, I would often go to the bookstore once a week to browse and buy a new book. Consequently, I had amassed quite a collection of them. So I signed up as a seller on Amazon.com and put up all my old books on the site that I knew I would never read again.
It’s amazing how fast those books went. Of course, selling on Amazon or eBay can be a pain. I spent many of my weekends packaging books and standing in the line at the post office, but the time commitment paid off. I earned about $100 from my Amazon.com sales blitz.
When Kate and I got serious about paying off our debt, I curbed my book-buying habit significantly and became a zealous patron of the library (I freaking love the library).
3. Cut the cable. Cable TV is expensive, and let’s be honest, most of the shows on there are crap. Cutting cable from your budget can easily give you an additional $20-$100 a month depending on how much you’re spending on your plan. And if you’re really desperate to watch some of your favorite tv shows, check out Hulu.com. You can watch many shows on there for free.
4. Get a second job/work odd jobs. I’m sure you’re a busy man. You probably already have a job and a family. Or maybe you’re going to school full-time and working a part-time job as well. But if you’re serious about getting your financial house in order, you’ll be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to reach your goal.
Don’t be picky about the kind of second jobs or odd work you take on. Personally, I’m of the opinion that no work is beneath you so long as it’s ethical and you give it your best. There are lots of flexible jobs you can work on the weekends or in the evenings. Deliver pizzas, bartend, wait tables, mow lawns, retail.
I have one friend who was doing the Dave Ramsey plan and wanted to fund his $1K emergency fund ASAP. So he bought some numbered stencils and some black and white spray paint, and knocked doors all weekend seeing if anybody wanted their address painted or repainted on the curb. He charged $10 for his services. In one weekend he made $400 and in one month he had his $1,000. This guy knows how to hustle.
5. Stay in on the weekends. For Kate and I, an average Friday night out could cost $20-$50. By limiting ourselves to just one night out a month, we were able to contribute $100 more a month to our fund. We just had to be a bit more creative with what we did on the weekends.
6. Shop for a better auto insurance rate. You’ve seen the commercials on TV claiming you can save a boat load of money by switching auto insurance plans. Take them up on their claim. Visit Progressive, State Farm, Geico, American Family, and esurance to see if you can save a $100 or more by switching to them.
If you like your auto insurance and don’t want to switch, give your insurance company a call to see if they have any safe driving or customer loyalty discounts. You also might ask if you can reduce your rate by paying a lump sum once or twice a year instead of paying every month. Kate and I saved about $100 making that switch.
7. If you’re married, share a car. This is something Kate I have done since we got hitched and still do today. Having only one car saves you big money on car insurance payments, oil changes, and other auto repairs and expenses. Sure, it can be inconvenient sometimes, but it’s also a good way to spend quality time together. Really! Those car rides to and from law school were the few times Kate and I had to just talk each day.
8. Collect and gather your loose change. I was surprised how much money we were able to add to our emergency fund simply by gathering all our loose change around the house and in the car. Sure, you’re not going to fully fund your $1K with just loose change, but I bet you can collect about $20-$40 in change in a month. Every little bit helps!
Emergency Fund Goal #2: 3-6 Months of Basic Living Expenses
An emergency fund with three to six months of living expenses socked away can seem like a hefty goal. If you’ve never had more than $1,000 in your bank account, saving $5,000 to $25,000 may seem downright impossible.
Don’t let the enormity of the goal overwhelm you. Small steps will eventually get you there. Imagine the feeling of supreme, manly confidence you’ll enjoy knowing you have enough money to weather the storms of life.
Where you keep your emergency fund shouldn’t change even though you’ll have more stashed away. We still want these funds to be liquid and easily accessible.
Kate and I are working on this goal right now. It will be awhile before we reach it, but we’ll get there. Two things that are helping us reach our goal:
1. Take what you were paying in debt each month and put it in your emergency fund. As soon as Kate and I paid off our debt, we started taking the money we had been paying each month towards debt reduction and putting it in our emergency fund. We’re already used to allocating this money in our budget, so it’s been easy to redirect it towards this new goal.
2. Make savings automatic. I don’t think much about funding my emergency fund because I’ve put our savings on auto-pilot. With the ING Direct automatic savings plan, I’m able to automatically transfer a set amount of money from my primary checking account to my emergency fund every month.
Have you or are you working towards creating an emergency fund? Share your tips on how you’re getting to this goal!
http://artofmanliness.com/2011/03/23/why-and-how-to-start-an-emergency-fund/
http://artofmanliness.com/
Omnichron said:
your car goes kaput in the middle of New Mexico
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Hmm, I happen to live in New Mexico. thanks alot.
muerteman said:
hmm, i happen to live in new mexico. Thanks alot.
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btw : nice post ill post somthing smart when i read it tomorrow (adn im not drunk)
Why is Google forcing advanced RMA's where they put a temporarily hold? Why cant it be that you send the device back they receive it and once it's cleared you get a replacement and you only get a advanced replacement if you ask for it or be presented the option to choose.
The email I was sent has the advanced replacement only with no other options!
Even if I return the device first and they say it's cleared and I click the order link there will still be a temporary charge! Why cant they update the link to be $0.00 to get a replacement and not ask for any card details? Before this happens they send you an email saying Good news your return was processed. Click here to receive your replacement free.
The policy is great for those who can put money on hold but what about those that cant or don't have the funds to back it. What. Are they forced to return the device to get a replacement?
They figure that everybody can put 200$ in funds on hold for a week with no other options expect to return it?
I also noticed that google isn't handling the returns. It appears SMS Infocom Corp is handling them out of Texas? What if they screw up and said that it's your fault so your charged for the new device?
Additional charges up to the full price of your device will be incurred if our service center determines that the damage to your original device isn’t covered under warranty. Prior to ordering your replacement and sending your device for inspection, please refer to the warranty card in the Nexus 7 packaging or visit www.asus.com for details on the ASUS limited warranty.
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Then you have to dispute it with Google or file a charge back. Wonderful
Most businesses give you the two options. The standard one that I just mentioned or the advanced replacement if they offer it.
This is bull**** IMO not allowing both options and only the advanced replacement. Even the rep on the phone at google said it was crappy. I'm serious.
I do not have the 200$ in my account to back the temporary authorization
So do I have to return it for a refund to get a replacement?
Actually it is a great policy, well at least for those of us with credit cards that aren't maxed out.
I like not having to wait the additional time it takes to send the defective unit back before getting a replacement shipped out.
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Actually it is a great policy, well at least for those of us with credit cards that aren't maxed out.
I like not having to wait the additional time it takes to send the defective unit back before getting a replacement shipped out.
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Well that's the problem. It works for some people that are able to do so. What about the others that cant? Then it's horrible for those that cant.
Why didn't they have both options and give you the choice?
I'm still awaiting a email from Google about it.
Seems like I'm forced to return it for a refund to a replacement.
It is logistically easier to do it the way they are doing it... Quite different if you are dealing with a brick and mortar shop, just go in and exchange it. No risk of having extra hardware floating around.
As for having a third party company to deal with the returns is not all that unusual. A lot of companies do that.
Not sure how many people would buy a Nexus if their card(s) were maxed out.
Did you call Asus, see which options they have.
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If they wanna hold another $249 from me that's fine. I also buy things when I know I have room on my credit card as well as my bank account.
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It is logistically easier to do it the way they are doing it... Quite different if you are dealing with a brick and mortar shop, just go in and exchange it. No risk of having extra hardware floating around.
As for having a third party company to deal with the returns is not all that unusual. A lot of companies do that.
Not sure how many people would buy a Nexus if their card(s) were maxed out.
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Alot of people used bank accounts and not credit cards. Why are people getting the notion that everybody has a credit card they can use to back it?
See that's the problem. Makes it easier for them but harder for those who cant put a temporary charge.
rafa3L said:
Did you call Asus, see which options they have.
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I could try that.
I'm tempted to just say screw it and keep it an deal with it due to the policy. If it breaks then deal with Asus down the road.
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Alot of people used bank accounts and not credit cards. Why are people getting the notion that everybody has a credit card they can use to back it?
See that's the problem. Makes it easier for them but harder for those who cant put a temporary charge.
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Debit cards are really handy, the merchant pretty much sees them as the same, but in fact they are not.
Debit card only deals with CASH in your bank. When it is put on hold that CASH is on hold. Credit cards put holds on available Credit, Not Cash unless you are using a pre-paid credit card which is really more like a Debit card.
You don't have the same protections buying with a Debit card as you do with a Credit card, the first being, they didn't get your CASH, they are only putting a hold on your Credit. If you can't afford the CASH, you shouldn't be using it.
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Debit cards are really handy, the merchant pretty much sees them as the same, but in fact they are not.
Debit card only deals with CASH in your bank. When it is put on hold that CASH is on hold. Credit cards put holds on available Credit, Not Cash unless you are using a pre-paid credit card which is really more like a Debit card.
You don't have the same protections buying with a Debit card as you do with a Credit card, the first being, they didn't get your CASH, they are only putting a hold on your Credit. If you can't afford the CASH, you shouldn't be using it.
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Yeah. They figured everybody has a credit card or bank accounts with the cash to temporarily fund it?
Still BS imo that they don't have the other option. I may be forced to return it for refund or deal with it as is. I figured they would give you both options.
"If you can't afford the CASH, you shouldn't be using it." Yes, But what other options do I have? Google is giving you no other option it seems expect to return it for a refund or deal with ASUS. As i said even the google rep said this wasn't going to work for everybody!
I'm hoping they can do what I said in the first post and honestly I see no reason why they wouldn't unless there system doesn't work.
I'm awaiting another reply form upper Management i guess about this.
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Debit cards are really handy, the merchant pretty much sees them as the same, but in fact they are not.
Debit card only deals with CASH in your bank. When it is put on hold that CASH is on hold. Credit cards put holds on available Credit, Not Cash unless you are using a pre-paid credit card which is really more like a Debit card.
You don't have the same protections buying with a Debit card as you do with a Credit card, the first being, they didn't get your CASH, they are only putting a hold on your Credit. If you can't afford the CASH, you shouldn't be using it.
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A strange elitist comment, so this guy paid in full for a tablet but in order to get a warranty replacement he should have calculated in double the price of the tablet, before he even purchased the tablet?
Went through the RMA process and it came off as Google was not quite sure how to handle advanced replacements, the whole emailing me a special link to buy a replacement tablet as it were. Was completely half ass'ed, they already have mine/our billing info why not just do anything with anyone's money after a tech has gave it once over
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A strange elitist comment, so this guy paid in full for a tablet but in order to get a warranty replacement he should have calculated in double the price of the tablet, before he even purchased the tablet?
Went through the RMA process and it came off as Google was not quite sure how to handle advanced replacements, the whole emailing me a special link to buy a replacement tablet as it were. Was completely half ass'ed, they already have mine/our billing info why not just do anything with anyone's money after a tech has gave it once over
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Thank you this is exactly my point.
This is going to probably be my first and only purchase for a google device form the google play store. Why is there no standard replacment like any normal company does such as Evga for example or a online retailers such as Amazon newegg etc.
What is up with the advanced link?
I hate to say it but my Dad just pointed out that something is shady about this only giving you this one option. What scares me the most is the following
"Additional charges up to the full price of your device will be incurred if our service center determines that the damage to your original device isn’t covered under warranty. Prior to ordering your replacement and sending your device for inspection, please refer to the warranty card in the Nexus 7 packaging or visit www.asus.com for details on the ASUS limited warranty."
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Well that's the problem. It works for some people that are able to do so. What about the others that cant? Then it's horrible for those that cant.
Why didn't they have both options and give you the choice?
I'm still awaiting a email from Google about it.
Seems like I'm forced to return it for a refund to a replacement.
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First, first world problem. Second, sounds like you don't have your priorities straight. 3rd life ain't easy. 4th if you don't like it complain to them and do business with companies that meet your needs. Last, owning a N7 is not a right you aren't entitled.
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Thank you this is exactly my point.
This is going to probably be my first and only purchase for a google device form the google play store. Why is there no standard replacment like any normal company does such as Evga for example or a online retailers such as Amazon newegg etc.
What is up with the advanced link?
I hate to say it but my Dad just pointed out that something is shady about this only giving you this one option. What scares me the most is the following
"Additional charges up to the full price of your device will be incurred if our service center determines that the damage to your original device isn’t covered under warranty. Prior to ordering your replacement and sending your device for inspection, please refer to the warranty card in the Nexus 7 packaging or visit www.asus.com for details on the ASUS limited warranty."
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I've never had to return my asus laptop and netbook to them since I have warranties with best buy but I really haven't heard a lot of good things with asus and their warranty. Personally that's why I'm sticking with google at the moment. My original was epic screen lift and I got replacement on friday and haven't hardly used it between friday and saturday due to work and it has a dead pixel and something is rattling around near the top. I'd rather have Google 2 day me a new one then wait god knows how long for asus.
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Thank you this is exactly my point.
This is going to probably be my first and only purchase for a google device form the google play store. Why is there no standard replacment like any normal company does such as Evga for example or a online retailers such as Amazon newegg etc.
What is up with the advanced link?
I hate to say it but my Dad just pointed out that something is shady about this only giving you this one option. What scares me the most is the following
"Additional charges up to the full price of your device will be incurred if our service center determines that the damage to your original device isn’t covered under warranty. Prior to ordering your replacement and sending your device for inspection, please refer to the warranty card in the Nexus 7 packaging or visit www.asus.com for details on the ASUS limited warranty."
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Ever hear of money orders., paying by cash as in waiting until you can walk into a store and buy one. You are wrong, there are many options starting with take your business elsewhere.
By the way I would be careful suggesting something is shady that is pretty much a common business practice.
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So, if I have to RMA, I have to have an additional $199 for the tablet on a credit card? I thought the policy was for Google to try to take the additional money AFTER the amount of time has passed that they didn't receive the tablet back (21 days?).
It's going to be real tricky trying to keep $200 on a card... especially since bills and stuff usually take my card below $200 each month. But then again, I guess I can hope to have a flawless device
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By the way I would be careful suggesting something is shady that is pretty much a common business practice.
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So it's common for businesses to force you to do an advanced replacement with no other options when 10 other businesses I've dealt with offer what I'm saying?
So in your option you should have double the cost of an item on your card before you buy it for this very reason?
Let me make it very clear
NOT EVERYBODY HAS A CREDIT CARD OR $200 IN EXTRA MONEY THEY CAN PUT ON HOLD FOR THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF!!!
WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT
DO YOU BUY PRODUCTS AND SAY THAT YOU NEED DOUBLE THE AMOUNT ENCASE THE PRODUCT IS DEFECTIVE? NO!
SERIOUSLY!
espionage724 said:
So, if I have to RMA, I have to have an additional $199 for the tablet on a credit card? I thought the policy was for Google to try to take the additional money AFTER the amount of time has passed that they didn't receive the tablet back (21 days?).
It's going to be real tricky trying to keep $200 on a card... especially since bills and stuff usually take my card below $200 each month. But then again, I guess I can hope to have a flawless device
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They're not "taking" your money. They're putting a temporary authorization of the amount of whatever account you're using for the replacement (such as a bank account, credit card, etc.) Once they receive the defective tablet within 21 days and make sure it's all good then they'll take that temp authorization off your account. But if it's not returned to them within the 21 days that's when I believe they can charge you.
This will explain it more too
https://play.google.com/about/device-terms.html
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They're not "taking" your money. They're putting a temporary authorization of the amount of whatever account you're using for the replacement (such as a bank account, credit card, etc.) Once they receive the defective tablet within 21 days and make sure it's all good then they'll take that temp authorization off your account. But if it's not returned to them within the 21 days that's when I believe they can charge you.
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Yes, But the problem occurs when you don't have the extra money to put on hold.
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Yes, But the problem occurs when you don't have the extra money to put on hold.
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Yea well sorry to burst your bubble but the minute you ordered your tablet and an email was sent to you saying thank you for your purchase they provided the link to their devices support. So from that moment they laid out the whole process of how this would work. Now whether or not you read it well that was your choice but all that information was there and just didn't mysteriously show up.
https://play.google.com/about/device-terms.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/15/sprint-early-upgrade-program-in-the-works-promises-to-one-up/
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I just saw this five minutes ago
Eventually I'll do the math checking how badly sprint would be screwing us over
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we used to be able to bill phones to our account a year or so ago and they got rid of it after so many years (been with them since 2002).. IMO they should of grandfathered customers who had the option and had their account in good standing.. it was convenient.. not sure if there was a time limit you had to pay the balance but i always paid it in full when i got the bill.
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This is probably one of the smartest things that Sprint has done for the consumer, but will probably bite them as such a large percentage is fraud and low credit class customers that send their accounts to collections.
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this option sound interesting, but i would guess there must be some catch.. how about those eligible for an upgrade, no phone discount? kind of sounds like you have to pay retail price.. haven't fully read the details yet, but it looks like you also have to return the old device when you upgrade?
btw, sprint has always had different class rating for each account. meaning they assign a rating to each account when it's opened. higher credit score meant you could have many lines and bill to account, those with lower score/class could only have 1 or 2 lines and no billing on account. i also believe after a certain amount of years they would increase your score if you paid your bill on time so you could get additional lines or maybe even get the bill-to account privileges.. i don't see how this can be that big a problem (people sending accounts into collections) more than they already do.
as long as I'm not getting screwed in the end, I'm all for this as I like to upgrade often lol, my wife says I have a problem
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we used to be able to bill phones to our account a year or so ago and they got rid of it after so many years (been with them since 2002).. IMO they should of grandfathered customers who had the option and had their account in good standing.. it was convenient.. not sure if there was a time limit you had to pay the balance but i always paid it in full when i got the bill.....
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This is one of the benefits/features I miss the most and one I wish they'd bring back. I bought more phones, off contract, through BTA (bill to account) than I do without it. I always re-sign up for 2yr contracts so they weren't losing my monthly business they were simply selling phones at full retail on top of it.
Back in the bta days, you had a month to pay your account in full. If you could time it right, you could make it so the new phone wouldn't show up on the next bill. I forgot how to do that. Collections would start calling if you still had a balance the second month. I'd like to get the note 3 but I'm afraid there's not much of a hardware improvement to justify going into debt. Yeah a bigger screen and battery, but still. I'm not sure if they improved the camera module or if it's the same one that's in this phone.
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we used to be able to bill phones to our account a year or so ago and they got rid of it after so many years (been with them since 2002).. IMO they should of grandfathered customers who had the option and had their account in good standing.. it was convenient.. not sure if there was a time limit you had to pay the balance but i always paid it in full when i got the bill.
this option sound interesting, but i would guess there must be some catch.. how about those eligible for an upgrade, no phone discount? kind of sounds like you have to pay retail price.. haven't fully read the details yet, but it looks like you also have to return the old device when you upgrade?
btw, sprint has always had different class rating for each account. meaning they assign a rating to each account when it's opened. higher credit score meant you could have many lines and bill to account, those with lower score/class could only have 1 or 2 lines and no billing on account. i also believe after a certain amount of years they would increase your score if you paid your bill on time so you could get additional lines or maybe even get the bill-to account privileges.. i don't see how this can be that big a problem (people sending accounts into collections) more than they already do.
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I may be wrong, but i believe you can still "bill" a phone to your account. I recently purchased my S4 at best buy. I was asked to verify my account...after verifying, the best buy sales person made a call to Sprint questioning what he saw on the screen. I patiently/politely waited. Sprint confirmed to the salesperson what he was seeing. I've been with Sprint for 10ish so years...evidently I have no limits on devices or charges(correct term)? He asked if I wanted the device to be billed to my account or if I would pay them. I chose to pay and didn't think anything else about it until now. At the time of purchase, 4 weeks ago, I had the opportunity to bill my account the purchase price of the phone.
Edit: I had the opportunity to bill 2 lines. My wife kindly just reminded that we bought her phone at the same time. And she remembers thinking that it pays to pay on time.
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JUST STOPED IN TO SPRINT STORE AND THEY SAID THE HAD NO CLUE WHAT THIS WAS AND NOTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE COMING TO SPRINT.SPRINT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE THE LAST TO KNOW ANYTHING..PLUS THE LAST TO GET ANYTHING NEW IN....
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I have used Samsung for a long time (including the Note 7 fiasco) and have many of their products in my house. I like using Samsung Pay, except it doesn't work on Apple Pay capable terminals in my area, but they have now gone too far. I'm done.
My rewards points were substantial. I was not aware they expired so I was just letting them roll. I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think. This devaluation has cost me $120+! There was no grandfathering or adjusting existing points with this unannounced and uninformed change. Further accumulating points has also been cut in half, basically.
If you take the time to dig you can find out about the expiring points on the Samsung Site, but you MUST dig. I was told by more than one Samsung Rep that they did NOT expire. If Samsung were a decent company it would appear in the FAQs. There is nothing anywhere about the devaluation of existing points, a $100 card went from 40,000 to 50,000 points or 20%!
They could have emailed notice of the redemption change, or prorated the old points, or grandfathered the redemption rate on old points, but nope. Nothing. Nada. Basically, we are taking back some of that money we promised you when you bought our product, too bad. I'm done with their big company bullying.
Does this break the bank? Of course not. It is the principle. There is too much decent competition out there and I'll live without Samsung Pay. By the time I buy another phone the world around here may have caught up and it will not be "special" anyway.
So if you have Samsung Rewards points, sorry about your luck.
Well, I can see your point, very valid as you expected some benefits when you made your purchase, but for many people, like me, the only reason to buy a note 8 was the device itself, I really did not care about points, bonuses, gifts, bundled goodies, etc, I just wanted the supberb device the note 8 is, but that is my opinion
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Well, I can see your point, very valid as you expected some benefits when you made your purchase, but for many people, like me, the only reason to buy a note 8 was the device itself, I really did not care about points, bonuses, gifts, bundled goodies, etc, I just wanted the supberb device the note 8 is, but that is my opinion
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Same all that extra ish....I never cared for.....am i even a loyal Samsung guy....no....even tho i favored Samsung phones over others from note 3 to 8....from Samsung epic 4g(s2) to s8+...
The only thing that would make me leave Samsung phones are the locked bootloader...but guess what it's still locked and I'm still here because the phones are just to good to pass on.....points? Meh.....but I do get it....its the principal of just letting us know....
I too normally feel that way about points programs. But this was a $200 rebate that is now $100 and other rebates from item purchases. I may have bought the products without the rebates IDK.
Samsung said at the ti. e of the purchase "here's the deal", paid me off in points, then reduced the value of the points WITHOUT notice. They retroactively changed the terms of the sale.
I dont buy Apple products because of company practices, so now Samsung has grown too big and developed that same "Do as we want to the customer" practice. Tired of their lies. What is the next lie to me?
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I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think.
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Yes the points you earn were cut in half, yet the cost of items have remained the same which will take you twice as long to get something. I have been occasionally using Samsung Pay to get the $20 gift-card at 6000 points since they cut the points in half then I am probably dropping it. It was a great incentive to use Samsung pay but now it will take forever to get anything which makes the point system dang near useless. The only reason I may still use Samsung Pay is the security regarding those "skimmers" people are using at gas pumps/etc to help cut back on someone stealing my credit card number, even though it still happens every couple years or so...
Samsung Rewards rip-off
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..., yet the cost of items have remained the same .....
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Not true. The cost of items increased by 20%. See my example of a $100 rewards card increase from 40,000 points to 50,000 points. This happened across the board on the Rewards Cards. I've heard that gift cards and Samsung product redemptions also increased but can't confirm.
So it is a double whammy for their customers. You earn less AND it takes more at redemption. Done without notice or concern for their existing customers.
Sure, companies revamp their rewards programs. But they either pro rate existing points or notify the customer of upcoming changes or both. Samsung did neither.
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Not true. The cost of items increased by 20%. See my example of a $100 rewards card increase from 40,000 points to 50,000 points. This happened across the board on the Rewards Cards. I've heard that gift cards and Samsung product redemptions also increased but can't confirm.
So it is a double whammy for their customers. You earn less AND it takes more at redemption. Done without notice or concern for their existing customers.
Sure, companies revamp their rewards programs. But they either pro rate existing points or notify the customer of upcoming changes or both. Samsung did neither.
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I believe there was a notification on the SamsungPay app/ email (I do not remember which or both). So, they are not deceptive. Maybe you missed it/ blatantly choose to ignore it?
Also, when you signup for Samsung Pay, it clearly says points expire after 1 year, so....
Sure, they did not grandfather the point values, but, those are points and if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it. There is no reason to flak a company if you did not take pains to understand how and when the points expire. If its hurting your bottom line so much, did you try calling SamsungPay support and talk to them and inform about your concern? I have done that multiple times and they have been reasonable.
Reward programs and all will always change at the will of the company, thats what they mention in the fine print. So, if you "agreed" to the terms, you have little to no choice. As an individual, if you want to stop buying Samsung products, sure, its your choice. Will it change Samsung or anyone else? Not really. C'est la vie!
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Yes the points you earn were cut in half, yet the cost of items have remained the same which will take you twice as long to get something. I have been occasionally using Samsung Pay to get the $20 gift-card at 6000 points since they cut the points in half then I am probably dropping it. It was a great incentive to use Samsung pay but now it will take forever to get anything which makes the point system dang near useless. The only reason I may still use Samsung Pay is the security regarding those "skimmers" people are using at gas pumps/etc to help cut back on someone stealing my credit card number, even though it still happens every couple years or so...
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I believe there was a notification on the SamsungPay app/ email (I do not remember which or both). So, they are not deceptive. Maybe you missed it/ blatantly choose to ignore it?
Also, when you signup for Samsung Pay, it clearly says points expire after 1 year, so....
Sure, they did not grandfather the point values, but, those are points and if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it. There is no reason to flak a company if you did not take pains to understand how and when the points expire. If its hurting your bottom line so much, did you try calling SamsungPay support and talk to them and inform about your concern? I have done that multiple times and they have been reasonable.
Reward programs and all will always change at the will of the company, thats what they mention in the fine print. So, if you "agreed" to the terms, you have little to no choice. As an individual, if you want to stop buying Samsung products, sure, its your choice. Will it change Samsung or anyone else? Not really. C'est la vie!
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I received no notice. or I surely would not have chosen to lose over $100 by choice. Certainly not blatantly.
"...if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it..." Really!? Is it not reasonable to let points accumulate in order to reach a desired goal?
If you read my post you will see where I mention it is not about my bottom line. Yes, I have spoken to SamsungPay support 4 times in the last day. Explaining each time, each time there is nothing offered, NOTHING. Realizing the first tier of support is limited to their authorization I request to speak to a supervisor. Each time I'm promised a call back. None of those 4 call backs have happened. The last was 4 hours ago. That's some customer respect, eh? " Just lie to them, they will go away." Going away is exactly what I'm doing. This is just one forum where I express my feeling on the issue. Perhaps someone else notices that is shopping. IDK, maybe.
There may have been some notice of point expiration and/or change in the rules in the boilerplate fine print in the beginning. Hardly clearly by any measure. No one that I know reads the entire EULAs/terms in detail. If Samsung cared about making these details clear they would be in the FAQs. I searched for an explanation and found nothing on their web site about the redemption value change. What's clear is that they don't want it clear. They didn't want a run on the points and if they can save $100 per customer it sure does help their bottom line. Most companies phase these changes in.
No, I don't think that my rant will directly affect Samsung at all. But remember, class actions all start with a single person.
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I have used Samsung for a long time (including the Note 7 fiasco) and have many of their products in my house. I like using Samsung Pay, except it doesn't work on Apple Pay capable terminals in my area, but they have now gone too far. I'm done.
My rewards points were substantial. I was not aware they expired so I was just letting them roll. I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think. This devaluation has cost me $120+! There was no grandfathering or adjusting existing points with this unannounced and uninformed change. Further accumulating points has also been cut in half, basically.
If you take the time to dig you can find out about the expiring points on the Samsung Site, but you MUST dig. I was told by more than one Samsung Rep that they did NOT expire. If Samsung were a decent company it would appear in the FAQs. There is nothing anywhere about the devaluation of existing points, a $100 card went from 40,000 to 50,000 points or 20%!
They could have emailed notice of the redemption change, or prorated the old points, or grandfathered the redemption rate on old points, but nope. Nothing. Nada. Basically, we are taking back some of that money we promised you when you bought our product, too bad. I'm done with their big company bullying.
Does this break the bank? Of course not. It is the principle. There is too much decent competition out there and I'll live without Samsung Pay. By the time I buy another phone the world around here may have caught up and it will not be "special" anyway.
So if you have Samsung Rewards points, sorry about your luck.
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I mean it is kind of caveat emptor. I, it seems, wisely cashed in my points every 10K for my $50 gift cards. My wife just missed out on having enough this go around. Now she has close to the 12,500 that she needs, but it will take even longer. It is a free points system though, they don't even have to offer you anything. Plus you are getting any interest you may accrue by leaving the money in your bank account and paying your credit card once a month. You also get any rewards points that card may offer. It really is double or triple dipping.
I imagine people like my wife and I are the reason they halved it and increased it. We have extra phones and maxed them out every month under normal operation. To the tune of about $40 a month when you work the math out. I can't think of any reason Samsung will lose sleep over not retaining your business. This is truly a trivial reason to boycott them. What were you saving up for anyway? A Ferrari?
Hell I can think of a few reasons that personally effect me in a much larger financial scale right off the top of my head.
Note 7. $500+
Dropped support for my Note 12.2 Pro. $500+
ARC HDMI port stopped working on my 75" TV $2000+
Don't forget Samsung is the ONLY device with MST payments. I don't even carry a wallet anymore...and I've never had a terminal that would accept ApplePay and my phone/watch not work.
please note that in the retail business, expiring points is common practice. it is also stated somehwere in the 'fine print' that was never read and tossed away.
thinking otherwise is a grave misunderstanding on your part.
Anyways, the device it self and any marketing schemes are 2 things and are 2 very different departments. Hell, samsung usa samsung canada and samsung xyz all have their own terms and conditions.
its like buying mc donalds coffee and collecting the tags to evenrually get a free coffee. well they probably expire. and if they dont that means they reserve the right to pull the promo at anytime.
the question you need to ask yourself is:
are you buying the cofee because its good or because you want a free one eventually?
i work support in the retail business and loyalty accounts, points etc is just a scheme to make you buy more. Isint this common knowledge?
At this rate, you should boycott everything if you are unhappy with the terms because samsung is just the point of the iceberg.
in the long run, the only meaningful thing that you can do is stop spending money period. they are all out there to get you.
now with all these pay pass technologies you can spend even faster to accumulate more points to then spend them again etc...it never ends till you put a stop to it.
Ok. So the def. common practice caused you to boycott samsung products...
I see.
To he honest, I never paid attention to the rewards points. For me, the most important thing is the device itself, the design, the features, how advanced it is. I guess like Apple who never gave you any reward points will never piss you off
Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung
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Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung
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Wow. I guess Samsung will change their strategy. Too many people leaving.
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Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung
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I got Oreo a week after the S8. Which came out like 6 months before. Of course they wouldn't release Oreo before the S9 came out. What delay?
A few points:
The interest earned current in bank accounts is miniscule. Credit card interest in my case is moot since I pay none.
It is not common practice to be so evasive informing customers that there are changes happening to loyalty programs. I've had loyalty points prorated when points were devalued. How far do you have to drill down at Samsungs Rewards website to find any mention of points expiring?
Samsung Customer Service promised many calls and emails that simply did not happen.
I have Samsung TVs, Washer, Dryer, Microwave, Refrigerator, Phones, and more. All purchased within the last 2 years with well over $15k spent.
It is not really about the money or the product, it is about how I'm being treated. I wasn't happy about how I was treated with the Note 7 either.
Samsung Pay capability and the $200 price reduction were by far the driving force behind my purchase of the Note 8. Samsung Pay is becoming less desirable since it works at fewer and fewer places as Apple Pay becomes more popular. My phone does not work wherever Apple Pay does (newer POS machines). I have talked to Samsung many times about this with zero results. The $200 rebate has changed now also. I am paying more for less.
Samsung expects me to return, and do without a phone for weeks, if I have a warranty issue. Even if the phone is only days old. This is just another detail that is not well communicated by Samsung.
I could go on and on about features promised but not available. So, my decision is about the cumulative disrespect shown by the "grown too large" Samsung.
Sure, it's a nice phone. But is it that much nicer than the competition if it doesn't have Samsung Pay and cost $100+ more? Why should I buy Samsung? Not price, not service, and the competition is close with other Android phones and I expect to be even closer as time goes on.
Well, clearly you made a big mistake when you bought a note series phone, this device is meant for those who find the s pen and all its functions the number 1 reason to buy it, if this unique characteristic was not the compelling reason to buy a note series device, then an iphone would have been a more useful option for you, as you said that you find more and more apple pay sites and less and less samsung pay sites, at least where you live or work or travel
I'm sorry but I am sure the rewards points expiring ins in the ToS agreement. You know that lil fine print everyone just checks I agree without reading. So it's on you and not them.
As far as updates it seems all phone makers and carriers drags their feet on updates. As they all love to put their little stuff in there over base android. If you want timely updates with android. You need to use a Google phone. I like samsung phones even with the note 7 fiasco. I started with moto original droid phone and moved to HTC but the phones went downhill over time.
I have used apple devices but found them lackluster at best. Not saying it's a bad phone as I suggest them to people that wants a phone that's simple to operate. All phones has their drawbacks
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