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HD7 and WP7 future Customization level/Roms?

I am confused on all of this and I have read all the threads on the HD7 here. In regards to both the HD7 and WP7 will there ever be the ability to have custom roms and be rooted? I'm still not sure what the chevron tool really even did besides make your phone have a free dev account and 3 party apps. I'm coming from the HD2 in which I changed roms on a daily basis and had multiple versions of android running. I'm just wondering if we will ever get to that level of modification with windows 7. Now mind you I have no interest running android on my HD7, thats not what this thread is about. If I did I would have bought the MT4G which my GF got when we did the buy one get one deal 2 weeks ago. I just wanna know if there is going to be real Dev support like there is with the HD2. Is the interest level there? I love WP7 however its just a little to bland, but with a few visual mods it would be the most amazing UI ever and Im not talking about missing features. I'm talking about eye candy. Am I off base? I am I missing the point of WP7? I dont know I just want some feedback on all of this.

Thanks for the replies!!

stillbrad said:
Thanks for the replies!!
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Here is one reply :
It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .

ceesheim said:
Here is one reply :
It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .
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Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann

C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
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Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?

stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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wp7 will be jailbroken real fast i think ( it is already jailbroken but no one really know how to make native code work on wp7)
custom rom's is something totally different ( I belief that there aren't any custom rom's on ios)
there is a history on custom rom's for WM for years (wm4-wm6.5) but WP7 is totally different and everyone has to start all over (reverse engineering) and that will take long .

C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
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I don't think you understand. The carriers are not allowed to touch the core OS, they are allowed to add their apps and edit a couple of things (like t-mobile making google the search in IE), but overall, OEMs and carriers can't do much with the OS itself, everything they do has to be done through apps.
stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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I know the iphone is jailbroken, but are there really, full bore custom ROMs for it?
I worry that with jailbreaking, you get a host of other problems, like bugs and a laggy OS.
For me, I am happy with it as is for now and am curious to see where it goes.

Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft

sprinttouch666 said:
Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft
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why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?

nrfitchett4 said:
why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?
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That's what I wanna know. My hope is the interest level that there is in WM will soon be there for WP7. I'm sure there is much room for improvement that only a custom rom and a chef from xda can produce.

Ditching my Omnia 7 - Is the grass greener?

[I'm posting this in this forum to see what you Android guys think about my issues.]
With the current issues with Chevron and unlocking I am making the decision to trade my omnia for a Galaxy S, the phones are pretty much exactly the same hardware wise. The only thing I don't like about the Galaxy is the shape, I prefer the sqaureness of the Omnia.
Now for my Omnia:
No proper 3rd party communication possibilities(sockets), I use Skype a lot and i've tried alternatives but none of them work well when the phone goes on standby. Microsoft are so controlling with the standby mode that apps are basicly useless when the phone is on standby. Toast notifications are all controlled by MS so if they have issues with their system or a bottleneck I don't get informed that someone has sent me an IM. Which brings me on to another issue.
Microsoft platform.
Microsoft service.
Why the hell is there no Windows Live Messenger support? The fact that a company as big as Microsoft can put out a OS like WP7 and NOT include apps for their own damn product is just stupid. No one knows why they didn't and Microsoft will not give an official reason as to why.
You may say these are all software issues, that they are. Wait for the updates you say...I highly doubt an update that allows apps to use 3rd party protocols will be out for at least 6 months. I thought this februrary update was hopefully going to open up more things on the developer front but all that has been mentioned is Copy & Paste and better performance.
I shouldn't have to wait months and months for updates that allow me to use my phone the way consumers have got used to using them before WP7 was even realeased.
I stuck with Microsoft and had a lot of faith in them and even went as far as to spread the word, but this unlocking issue was the final nail in the coffin. What do you guys think I should do?

WP7 is a good platform, but it's not ready yet for geek users... Android is freedom of choice, for people that enjoy cool featires an tweaking their phone.
I think you should wait for the galaxy s2, though.
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I agree , you should wait for the galaxy s 2

full on support for MSN messenger with voice and video calling support would be a great selling feature for the phone but i think the phone company's have a part to play in that too. With instant messaging and free video calling who'd need call time.

[Q] Question about future updates...

I've looked around, and couldn't find a solid answer, so I thought i'd ask.
I'm a n00b when it comes to the smart phone world. I've been using the same nokia cellphone for 4 years now, and it refuses to break. But the other day, I wrapped my hands around the HD7 and fell in love.
However, looking around online and reading more than 10 reviews, including Anandtech's 32 pager, there seem to be some glaring... i don't want to say problems, but maybe oversights with the functionality within WP7. So I must ask:
Regarding WP7 and the HD7, since the HD7s launch, has there been any updates to the WP7 OS?
Will there be any (official) updates to WP7 in the future, and will it be easy to update? Like, is it just as easy as getting a wireless internet signal on the phone and downloading the update?
and just for fun, in your opinion, do you think that some changes will be made to WP7 that make it more customisable in the future? Are updates like these possible for this type of phone?
Main reason I ask is that i've never owned a smart phone, and have NO clue on how updating works.
From what i've seen in the past, if something gets 'outdated' or is 'not robust enough', the company will just put out a brand new phone, making the previous one seem like a waste. I know why i shouldn't feel that way, but with cellphones, I do.
Which is why i'm wondering, if there are some 'problems' with WP7, is it possible that updates or fixes will be out in the future.
Sorry for seeming long-winded. I just don't want to seem TOO n00bie... been an avid tech-head for 20 years, but the cellphone thing just never got me.
Until the HD7. Grrrrr...
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omg, i just saw the windows phone 7 updates thread.
lol

as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
Hope this helps

frontieruk said:
as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
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Cool, thank you very much
Any news about flash coming to the browser???
haha

[Q] Worth installing Mango build at this time?

Hi everyone,
I just traded my android phone for an htc hd7 and enjoy it so far. I have read that the official mango update is going to be released soon, possibly Sep. 15th. At this point, should I wait to see if official mango is going to be released soon or should I go ahead and install a mango build from the development section? If I install a build, will the official mango update be able to be done to my phone or would i have to return it to stock?
Sorry about some of the noobish questions, have had many android phones and can figure stuff out pretty easy with them, but wp7 is a completely different beast it seems and it's taking some relearning and a lot of reading.

Hello...
I installed it this morning. Even though the rumored date is tomorrow i think it will be a while before local carriers release it. Not as bad as NoDo though. Also, with the RTM release you wont get all the extra fraff the carriers add.
I'd go for it. Its ace!

I would suggest searching around about how to make a backup of your device before doing anything. Its quite a simple and quick process and very important to do.
Mango is awesome btw! But I would contact your network provider if its a locked device to find out when the update might hit.

I would also recommend installing it. The final build is out and ready. That is what I installed, and since its the official version, I will still be able to update through Zune on updates down the road. Its quite easy, even on mine which was carrier branded. It took less than 30 minutes, not including file download time.
Mango is great by they way. My Sensation with its over clocked processor, custom rom, and extras has already been out away. Now I want some new WP7 hardware to back up the software.

Like the previous poster says, its the release build so why not? You also have to remember that its unlocked which means you can side load, etc. I'd go for it just make sure you have all of your music, pictures, etc sync'd. Even if itdid release tomorrow, does not mean you will get it and BTW, its a simple, no hasle process. Just follow the directions! Good luck.

I held off a long time with updating to 7720 from beta2 for the same reason. Was just gonna wait it out. But I ended up upgrading. Thing is that when I updated to 7720 from 7712(??) I was able to receive the HTC update which has been out a while but was unable to receive since I was on the beta2 and didn't feel like downgrading to nodo but for minimal changes. So using even the Zune beta client which I have I'm led to believe that when the official mango is released by carriers I'm gonna be able to upgrade right from RTM 7720. Just a thought. Did it on both my hd7's soon as updated to 7720 I was able to receive the radio update.
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Thanks for all the feedback! I will continue to read up on the process to update it in the meantime and maybe tackle it this weekend if the update doesn't come out by then.

tried flashing to mango..but games seem not to be working. So flash back to the original firmware.maybe i just wait for the official update...

Am a Happy bunny with Mango RTM installed. I feel its not really a point waiting for your carrier updates as such cause WP7 is as closed as apple.
and all HTC will ever do is update its HTC HUB which you can update anyway via market.
so go ahead and do it.

Whatever you choose I hope you enjoy it. I'm tired of waiting for official Mango, going back to Android. I had high hopes but it doesn't feel worthwhile anymore.
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sbrownla said:
Whatever you choose I hope you enjoy it. I'm tired of waiting for official Mango, going back to Android. I had high hopes but it doesn't feel worthwhile anymore.
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You know, I've haunted these forums for a long time with different phones and I've used WM6+, Android 1+, IOS 3+ and a few others and comments like this really piss me off.
WP7 has come a long way in a short amount of time. Is it perfect, of course not but Mango is a major step forward and puts WP7 on par with any other mobile OS. Granted we dont have as many useless apps or the same apps repackaged and there are a few that are just plain missing but its getting there.
BTW, did I mention what a helpful post it was? Not...

I've just flashed my HD7 up to Mango because I know O2 will load it with Yahoo Crap, and it'll likely arrive some time in November if their track record is anything to go by.
Was using a Blackberry Torch until recently, but swapped it out for the HD7. My second phone is a Galaxy-S, and it was my main phone until I got the HD7. Previously I've had various XDAs Mini-S, a TyTn, and a HD2, as well as work phones at various places. The only handset I had issues with was the HD2, though that was more to do with crap O2 messed with firmware than anything else.
Before Mango I would have rated this handset 6/10 for missing features. Now 9/10 as I still can't have OTA Podcasting, and the Battery could be better.

question about roms of WP8 and one for devs

about the rom, i want to know is WP8 rom are all Microsoft?
i mean if Microsoft put an OTA update on there cloud will i get is on the same day on 8X or 920?
or its like android where nokia or htc have to deliver it after optimization for there phone?
and for devs if some one is working on hacking WP8? and if soo is it going to be a custom rom or a jailbreak like IOS?
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Won't be anything like IOS, far far far from It. It'll be exactly like WP7. Each device will require different exploits.
Some devices will get custom mods(hopefully), some won't. Simple as that.
Regarding your first question all updates come from Microsoft.
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The process with WP7 has been like this:
- Microsoft develops the OS specific updates
- Updates get sent to OEMs and Carriers for Testing and driver updates in case of the OEMs
- after approval by their partners Microsoft deploys the updates from their servers
There has been lots of speculation that with the introduction of the OTA Update system Microsoft will push smaller OS updates without carrier/oem testing. Actually installing an additional language pack for voice recognition which many people have done already uses that same update system. Core system updates still will have to go through the OEMs to ensure there are no compatibility issues with their hardware.
In that way there is no guarantee that all updates will be pushed to all devices in the same timeframe (Microsoft has never notified all devices of an update on the same day - they are using a staggered approach that rolls out updates over 3 - 4 weeks, similar to what they are doing with XBox dashboard updates, though it seems that manually checking on the phone should make the update appear anyway).
All in all past updates following Nodo (Microsoft's first update to WP7) have arrived on the majority of phones over such a 3-4 week timeframe, although there have been exceptions (Tango was not rolled out on some US carriers at all and Telefonica in spain regularly lagged behind by some months).

thanks ppl !! i got it now! i just hope in WP8 it wont be like android where users wait 6 months for a jelly been update or 4.1 -> 4.2

How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh

Taurenking said:
How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh
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i meant after the update is published and has been delivered to HTC Samsung and ech

7.8 went RTM around two weeks ago. People are waiting for updates naturally but it's not like Microsoft releases them for some while everyone else has to wait.

soo basically we will never escape the wait for an update... beside nexus but i dont like android...