Hey gsuys i was wondering if anyone knows a video on youtube that shows exactly installing a Tom? Also can someone please tell me what a bootloader and a kernel is? I've been researching but i can't find anything since im a noob..
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I think you mean a ROM. Bootloaders are files which load other data and programs which are then executed from RAM. Often, multiple-stage boot loaders are used, during which several programs of increasing complexity sequentially load one after the other in a process of chain loading.
As far as Android is concerned, the kernel file is related to threading and memory management. It's sort of the map of the infrastructure that helps the other programs when and how to act and manage the resources.
For your own sake, take a week or two to do some reading and get familiar with the terminology, software, and processes involved with flashing a ROM. I can promise you that without some basic slef-taught information, you will end up bricking the hardware 75% of the time. Get to understand how the phone works and why other people have problems, and how they solved them. Don't make mistakes that others have made when the information on how to avoid it is here in the forums.
Many people are too impatient or uninterested in how these phones work to do the due diligence. You can find ROM flashing guides, but without some basic knowledge, if something goes wrong you will find yourself in panic mode. Just look through these forums. Half of them start with 'HELP!' or 'Phone Bricked'. Don't be one of them. Arm yourself with some information and you will soon be solving your own problems, and possibly helping others.
Good luck and have fun. The Captivate is one of the most moddable smartphones out there, you have already made a good decision. Don't stop now!
see that wasnt hard to ask without a subtle insult. mobiletechvideos has plenty of install tuts for 2.2 and 2.3.3 based roms. stick with 2.2 roms to lessen the chance of a perma brick
Listen to clemmie.
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CremeFraiche said:
see that wasnt hard to ask without a subtle insult. mobiletechvideos has plenty of install tuts for 2.2 and 2.3.3 based roms. stick with 2.2 roms to lessen the chance of a perma brick
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+1 on josh @ mobile tech videos. That site was 85% of the research I did on my first flash. The other 15% was asking courteous questions to the great people on this forum.
Agreed on sticking with 2.2 ROM at first, less chance of hard brick and they are very stable.
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Also can someone please tell me what a bootloader and a kernel is?
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Check THIS out!
CremeFraiche said:
see that wasnt hard to ask without a subtle insult. mobiletechvideos has plenty of install tuts for 2.2 and 2.3.3 based roms. stick with 2.2 roms to lessen the chance of a perma brick
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I second, third, and fourth, the Mobiltech videos for the cappy. They should be mandatory for every noob to watch.
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I second, third, and fourth, the Mobiltech videos for the cappy. They should be mandatory for every noob to watch.
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Whats wrong with reading forums of the rom before hand? Don't get me wrong I've used videos (my very first flash and my first GB rom) but I had done a good reading before hand. I had a decent idea on what I had to do before watching videos. =/
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Whats wrong with reading forums of the rom before hand? Don't get me wrong I've used videos (my very first flash and my first GB rom) but I had done a good reading before hand. I had a decent idea on what I had to do before watching videos. =/
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I don't think theirs anything wrong with reading up in the forums, its just a lot more easier on newcomers to watch the videos so they have something to look at step by step and if they want to they can go back and watch different parts over and over =] well at least that's how I see it lol
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I don't think theirs anything wrong with reading up in the forums, its just a lot more easier on newcomers to watch the videos so they have something to look at step by step and if they want to they can go back and watch different parts over and over =] well at least that's how I see it lol
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I understand you but I feel like op hasn't read anything about flashing or the risk of it. Don't know feel like he trying to take shortcuts and is going to end up bricking his phone. Hope I'm wrong though.
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I don't think theirs anything wrong with reading up in the forums, its just a lot more easier on newcomers to watch the videos so they have something to look at step by step and if they want to they can go back and watch different parts over and over =] well at least that's how I see it lol
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When I flashed my first ROM, I had read quite a bit on here, but I watched one of Josh's videos and paused at about every step! Bottom line here is, everyone is different and some people are "visual" learners. Having said that, I agree whole heartedly with the "read twice flash once" (then follow a vid if ya have to) mentality.
Of course, the videos are very good and simplify things immensely. However, what the videos do not show you often times is how to avoid mistakes and errors and how to fix them if you make them. This is why it is always a good idea to read through the thread of the kernel or ROM or what have you to see what has gone wrong for others. It can seem daunting to try to read through a 20+ page thread, which may take an hour, but that hour might save you 4 or more hours while trying to recover from a brick or failed flash. Add to that some peace of mind because perhaps you've seen or read about the same issue and can do some problem solving.
Both are helpful, but reading threads is essential.
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Just a quick question....just wondering, im running the geomod rom right now and was just wondering if it is recommended to flash back to stock using odin before i flash to the latest cognition....or can i just flash cognition right from the rom im running???
Thanks in advance!
Definately. If you don't "something" gets left behind as, for sure, the startup gt i9000 logo at startup will still be there. At least, it was when I did it anyway.
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i notice lots of posts like this, and i wonder, 'in the time it takes to get an answer back from the forums, you could have already flashed back to stock and reflashed your phone with another rom.' why bother asking?
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i notice lots of posts like this, and i wonder, 'in the time it takes to get an answer back from the forums, you could have already flashed back to stock and reflashed your phone with another rom.' why bother asking?
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Especially considering the question gets asked so often that surely it shows up in a quick search... which would save even more time..
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Especially considering the question gets asked so often that surely it shows up in a quick search... which would save even more time..
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I looked in the quick search and didnt see anything on it, if you dont feel like answering it, just dont
I was asking specifically to the I9000 rom's....and i didnt find anything about that
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I looked in the quick search and didnt see anything on it, if you dont feel like answering it, just dont
I was asking specifically to the I9000 rom's....and i didnt find anything about that
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it has NOTHING to do with i9000 or captivate roms, or even not wanting to answer the question...its called common sense, some people have it, and obviously some people dont. i question peoples common sense all the time and notice that as time goes on, people use less and less of it.
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it has NOTHING to do with i9000 or captivate roms, or even not wanting to answer the question...its called common sense, some people have it, and obviously some people dont. i question peoples common sense all the time and notice that as time goes on, people use less and less of it.
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Just wondering if you have any done any quick searches. I have used the search function many many times and often found that even though the questions might have been answered before, they do not show up in the search. It's not like this question is posted on the Captivate Android Development section. It is posted in the right section so why ***** about it?
As to the OP, I wouldn't know since I haven't flashed a i9000 rom yet but if you have any problems, you know that you should go back to stock and flash cog.
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it has NOTHING to do with i9000 or captivate roms, or even not wanting to answer the question...its called common sense, some people have it, and obviously some people dont. i question peoples common sense all the time and notice that as time goes on, people use less and less of it.
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And i thought the iphone users were the ****in ass holes....a lot of times the general quick search doesent come up with exactly what im looking for...and with these phones you have to be precise with what your doing...thats what the Q&A forums are for....and if it concerns you that much just exit out of it dont post gay ass comments
Preach it brother! It has been verry frustrating getting info on any androis phone. It seems that the devloupers live in their on little world and are to good to help out someone who needs info.
I do have to chime in here and say that this is actually could have been answered with commone sense. i9000 is for the european community. So with that said always flash back to a stock condition when going either way from i897 to i9000 or i9000 to i897. Once on that base rom then you can choose to flash either back to stock or just flash over provided you are going to the same based rom
However I can say that even though this may not have been asked exactly before there are more then likely references to what to do in this instance in many of the threads. Again it also sometimes helps to think outside the box when doing a search as well.
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And i thought the iphone users were the ****in ass holes....a lot of times the general quick search doesent come up with exactly what im looking for...and with these phones you have to be precise with what your doing...thats what the Q&A forums are for....and if it concerns you that much just exit out of it dont post gay ass comments
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do you feel guilty not having any common sense?
congratulations, you have joined the majority of society.
seriously, though. go to ANY friggin ROM thread on these forums and the recommended way to flash is always FLASH BACK TO STOCK!!!! how hard is that? where did you get your rom? did it magically show up on your phone or did you download it from somewhere and follow some instruction on how to install it?
i know that in your anger, you will refuse to understand this point of view, and thats fine. the info is there for semi-sane people to comprehend.
Should i Rom
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Um...that depends. Do you want to?
If you're comfortable with flashing then I would, if not then probably no.
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should you rom?
if you have to ask....
NO.
you should read.
then decide for yourself.
and know what you are doing before you are the 4th person in 24 hours to PERMANENTLY brick thier phone.
rom? no.... not yet at least...
read yes.
TRusselo said:
should you rom?
if you have to ask....
NO.
you should read.
then decide for yourself.
and know what you are doing before you are the 4th person in 24 hours to PERMANENTLY brick thier phone.
rom? no.... not yet at least...
read yes.
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I absolutely agree with this answer. If you are thinking of flashing a ROM, what is the reason you are thinking about doing it? If you decide to go for it, then absolutely make sure you know completely what you are doing by reading as much as you can. Research first will save grief and frustration later. Let's just say I learned that the hard way. The only time I had any issues was when I didn't follow this advice.
Good luck with whichever way you decide to go.
TRusselo said:
should you rom?
if you have to ask....
NO.
you should read.
then decide for yourself.
and know what you are doing before you are the 4th person in 24 hours to PERMANENTLY brick thier phone.
rom? no.... not yet at least...
read yes.
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^^^THIS^^^
Damn 4 ppl in a day...wow
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Just take time to read and understand the while process before you start flashing. DO NOT try and figure out stuff as you go, as that is how stupid mistakes are made and you mess up your phone.
Check to make sure the 3 button combo for recovery and download modes are working, and just know and follow the steps laid out in the many tutorials you can find here on xda. If you can follow directions at all, your phone will soon be doing sweet ****, and you will probably become addicted to flashing and trying new things.
I am not all that knowledgeable about how stuff works, so I never try and modify stuff that hasn't been tried and tested by somebody else, and I've never run into any serious problems. I've flashed too many roms to remember, and never screwed up my phone beyond a simple fix, all thanks to a little careful reading.
Once you flash your first rom successfully, the process is simple and fun. Just make sure and read the thread for each rom you want to try carefully so that you know of all possible issues, and you shouldn't have any problems.
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Make sure you know all the worst things that can happen. Not to scare you from doing it. On the contrary, once you know what's the worst, and you know how to fix it or prevent it, you're good to go.
Like everyone here says (because it's true) READ everything. Read the WHOLE OPs and multiple pages of everything. If someone had problem with something, they probably already mentioned it somewhere in the 23482 pages (it sucks, but you rather spend some time reading than have a dead phone).
At first everything will be uncertain (first time watching the bar go across the download mode screen when flashing from Odin) and sometimes you'll feel like you've bricked your phone. Just read the threads about ACTUAL bricked phones to know what NOT to do.
Actually, what I suggest is to find a rom that you like, but more importantly has REALLY thorough documentation about how to install. Once you do it a couple of times it'll be smooth sailing from there, and you'll be able to work with any kind of rom easily (terminology and stuff becomes more familiar too).
glhf
I got an rma phone and i am not sure if i should rom
mwiz123 said:
I got an rma phone and i am not sure if i should rom
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So you ask the same question in a different format. Tell us that you at least read some of the replies above. Right?
Talk to people that have rommed (if that's a word. If not, then Copyright bdgiese90 2011). If they know your phone well and can help if you have questions beyond what is answered in OP's, then you can make a choice from that too. But seriously. Do your reading first. Installing a ROM isn't something other people decide for you.
And one more thing. Don't ask the same question again with different wording. Read what all of these intelligent people are posting to you. Believe it or not, they ARE helpful
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You sound ambivalent and unsure. Bad combination. Step away from the phone before you hurt it.
Is there a working CyanogenMod rom for the facsinate, I've read some post but just want a yes or no answer please?
Not totally working.
and.... wrong section.
go look at the cm7 thread in the development section. it makes it very clear what is working and what isnt.
Short answer: A lot of stuff in CM7 works. Somethings such as MMS do not. Whether you consider that build working depends on your needs.
Now, I don't say this to be mean. I say this to prevent you from numerous headaches and issues.
Basic reading comprehension and a willingness to search and research independently are required if you are going to successfully flash new software on your phone. That is to say little about bleeding edge Cyanogen which has its own set of eccentricities currently. If you don't have the time or patience to have those qualities then you should skip this process because you WILL end up with a "brick".
Again, I don't say this to be mean or cold-hearted. It is simply fact that if you aren't willing to invest the time to be painstaking in your steps and research that you will end up with a brick and very unhappy. Sorry to be a downer.
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Short answer: A lot of stuff in CM7 works. Somethings such as MMS do not. Whether you consider that build working depends on your needs.
Now, I don't say this to be mean. I say this to prevent you from numerous headaches and issues.
Basic reading comprehension and a willingness to search and research independently are required if you are going to successfully flash new software on your phone. That is to say little about bleeding edge Cyanogen which has its own set of eccentricities currently. If you don't have the time or patience to have those qualities then you should skip this process because you WILL end up with a "brick".
Again, I don't say this to be mean or cold-hearted. It is simply fact that if you aren't willing to invest the time to be painstaking in your steps and research that you will end up with a brick and very unhappy. Sorry to be a downer.
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Hate to be a downer but its not really any different than installing another rom. Not that doing your own research is a bad thing but you seem like you're trying to frighten people. This phone does not brick easily. The only difference here with cm7 is that you have to odin to get off it.
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A person who can't take 30 seconds and read the first post in either of the two cyanogenmod threads and has to ask needs a dose of reality.
And yes, the phone is quite recoverable but only if you know what you are doing. We have seen enough of the "i've spent the last 12 hours trying to recover my phone because I flashed xyz incorrectly" to warrant some caution.
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Why so grouchy?
At least the question wasn't posted in the Dev forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116424
That is where the info for the closest-to-pure CM7 ROM there is on the site.
WARNING: If you don't like it or it happens to brick your phone, you will need odin and a good working image to go back to. These are available on the site. I strongly recommend you find them and familiarize yourself on the how-to of those before embarking down the road of CM7.
I ran TestBuild2 from the above link for sever days. It is nice but has too many stability defects to be reasonable for me because I use my phone for work.
stfu noob, reed some of the forum first
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stfu noob, reed some of the forum first
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Really unnecessary from someone who.never posted before or anyone for that matter
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038478 'nuff said.
Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
Frustrated, my note oriented in Hungary and still no update.
But like many other people scarred of bricking my phone.
I would pay someone to skype me through the process I'm sure many others feel the same
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Frustrated, my note oriented in Hungary and still no update.
But like many other people scarred of bricking my phone.
I would pay someone to skype me through the process I'm sure many others feel the same
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It`s not so hard, read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360 for starters and read the dev`s threads and you will come a long way.
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It`s not so hard, read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360 for starters and read the dev`s threads and you will come a long way.
I thanked you by misstake, but now you off the 0
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Perhaps it's not that complicated, but it took me a while to get the gall to upgrade and stay upgraded. I read and reread everything a thousand times over, and it took me a long time even after I fully understood the pros/cons of every upgrade method and the mechanics of the "bug." I just say this because I understand the fear. Even now, though my mind is fully convinced I am safe in LQ2 wth Hardcore's kernel, I still have an irrational fear of wiping or restoring NAND backups. I think it's very human to be afraid of things one disbelieves in. An ominously dark room can still scare the most rational of adults.
But that said, my advice is the same as the member wrote above. As there is a wealth of information on this forum regarding the issue, the safest you can be is by becoming knowledgeable of not only "safe methods" of upgrading, but by coming to understand why one kernel is safe and another is not. You could pay someone to walk you through the upgrade process, but if you decide to continue modding your Note, you might inadvertently put yourself in a bind by thinking you've "arrived" at safety indefinitely.
Of course, it's up to you. Go ahead and Skype with someone if that makes you feel secure. But unless you understand exactly what you're doing, you might want to Skype with someone knowledgeable every time you flash and use another kernel thereafter.
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i read alot on the forum and its getting more and more messy here
when i look at the rom section for instance the Galaxy note
i see warnings , roms but i dont see any safe sign on the postings and if there are any safe sings then they must be better displayed
to me its starting to look like its very unsafe to download and flash a rom from this site
and i must say i think thats a shame i always enjoyed it to flash roms from here on my phone's
so maybe its time for the owners and developpers to start thinking about safety and better guides on how to flash
but thats my 2 cent about this and maybe there are more people who have the same feeling
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i read alot on the forum and its getting more and more messy here
when i look at the rom section for instance the Galaxy note
i see warnings , roms but i dont see any safe sign on the postings and if there are any safe sings then they must be better displayed
to me its starting to look like its very unsafe to download and flash a rom from this site
and i must say i think thats a shame i always enjoyed it to flash roms from here on my phone's
so maybe its time for the owners and developpers to start thinking about safety and better guides on how to flash
but thats my 2 cent about this and maybe there are more people who have the same feeling
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As long your on safe kernel and follow the op in flashing the custom rom or rooting, then there is no problem.
the peppi said:
i read alot on the forum and its getting more and more messy here
when i look at the rom section for instance the Galaxy note
i see warnings , roms but i dont see any safe sign on the postings and if there are any safe sings then they must be better displayed
to me its starting to look like its very unsafe to download and flash a rom from this site
and i must say i think thats a shame i always enjoyed it to flash roms from here on my phone's
so maybe its time for the owners and developpers to start thinking about safety and better guides on how to flash
but thats my 2 cent about this and maybe there are more people who have the same feeling
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Just follow the steps given in the OP.They are tried and tested methods to install those ROMs.You'll never g wrong as long as you follow them.
The warnings are for noons that don't like to read before doing things, so the developers have to put this big warnings to not be blamed for any problem, and after this warnings, we see a lot of people that brick there phones every day bec. Of not reading carefully
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ok i understand this all but how do noobs know what is safe and what is not safe thats my problem
there is alot of reading to do the pictures and signatures dont make it very easy
then the colors can drive you up the wall
the comments that are given by those who detroy theire phone is also not very stimulating
so its very hard for noobs to see what is safe and whats not safe
the peppi said:
ok i understand this all but how do noobs know what is safe and what is not safe thats my problem
there is alot of reading to do the pictures and signatures dont make it very easy
then the colors can drive you up the wall
the comments that are given by those who detroy theire phone is also not very stimulating
so its very hard for noobs to see what is safe and whats not safe
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i understand what you feeling mate.. its sometimes happen to me.. until i decide what i'm gonna do and looking for the safe way to do it
.. and yes all dev always write "do with your own risk" .. coz no guarante if someone phone damage
.. but a lot of people here care to share they experience and so many thread discussion about that.. just read carefully.. where your start from and what you wanna do
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yeah, its what you call increasing chaos, one of the laws of nature.
what further enhances it in my opinion is: unclear/unuser friendly product to begin with. Humans ever in creasing spoiledness due to the service oriented culture/industries, people expect to be guided by hand, and when its more complicated they become lazy, so lazyness as much to.
Noobs clutter because they dont read/research but blindly ask. I wonder what would happen if they buy microwave and how they figure out how to operate it. Ah well, the warning signs not to put living things in are needed, and even with the signs people are dumb enought to try it.
rant, rant and so on and so forth, rant.
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yeah, its what you call increasing chaos, one of the laws of nature.
what further enhances it in my opinion is: unclear/unuser friendly product to begin with. Humans ever in creasing spoiledness due to the service oriented culture/industries, people expect to be guided by hand, and when its more complicated they become lazy, so lazyness as much to.
Noobs clutter because they dont read/research but blindly ask. I wonder what would happen if they buy microwave and how they figure out how to operate it. Ah well, the warning signs not to put living things in are needed, and even with the signs people are dumb enought to try it.
rant, rant and so on and so forth, rant.
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Lmao a giant true
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