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First, I did a search on this and did not find the answers i wanted; so mods, please delete/move this thread if you don't approve - thanks
My question is pretty much in the title of this thread... I know the specs, but the amount of RAM/Memory after the phone runs its default processes and apps is obviously much different than what's stated on the fact sheet.
So, how much RAM and internal memory does the sprint touch diamond have after it's powered on straight out of the box with touchflo3d enabled?? Also, how much RAM if touchflo is disabled? I will be upgrading my mogul soon, so I'd like to know what I'm working with.
Please post any useful info, thanks in advance!
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
Juggalo_X said:
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
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I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
Tenny said:
I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
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hate to burst your bubble, but if your getting freezing on the custom roms as opposed to the sprint one its something your doing or you have not hard reset after flashing. Juicy's sprint rom is exactly what you just described. its got all the crap removed. and some speed tweaks. its about 10x faster then the sprint rom or the telus stock rom with better then stock battery life.
again i say, your smoking the bong pipe and u need to put it down for a few and actually test my friend because any one here is going to disagree with your statement i bold'd above. I went back to the telus rom last night to test and was disgusted by the slowness. i became accustomed to my custom rom.
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
patterns said:
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
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i agree.
when my device boots it has 144 MB free ram. that's an ass load more then the telus rom.
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
kikakeule said:
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
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yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
this back and forth dialogue about different ROMs is quite amusing, but I just want to know how much RAM out of the box - even with all of sprint's unnecessary features and what not. I'm just trying to see how much we actually get to play with. With the mogul, I had about 25-26mbs free out of the box of the 64 total. I know the diamond surpasses that minuscule amount greatly, but like i said, i just wanna know how much we're actually getting...
Juggalo_X said:
yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
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okay sry, my fault
wasn't around for a while ;-)
By installing the new ROM my phone works better and faster, no lagg.
But I understand that it can be even better...
I have deleted bloatware (using root explorer) and at this point have not reinstalled many of my apps (waiting for the next DC ROM release)
How can I find how much free space / memory I have left on my phone?
RAM, MB, etc?
I have read that if you monitor the use of space then it will be a fine tune machine.
I read about Ap2sd and that might help? Others say it doesnt beacuse it slows the response time when running an app.
Any words of wisdom?
Thanks
Any help will be appreciated.
I know, I know...DB comment but get an EVO. No substitute for raw horsepower.
4 Things.
1. Over Clock
2. JIT
3. Remove Sense (optional)
4. Class 6 SD card, not a cheap-o
should be in q/a or general forum. not here for future reference this forum is really for devs and ROM discussion only...not general questions like this.
with that said...
each person could probably give you their own ways of tinkering with their ROM and making it "faster".
You can download systraymonitor from the market, which gives you RAM/MEMORY/BATTERY, etc.
A2SD could be beneficial if you are installing more than 25+ apps, as it allows your system memory to combine with a partition of your SD card, thus keeping available memory higher, which leaves plenty of room for browser cache, app cache, etc.
Welcome to the wonderful world of ROMs for our Hero.
riggsandroid said:
should be in q/a or general forum. not here for future reference this forum is really for devs and ROM discussion only...not general questions like this.
with that said...
each person could probably give you their own ways of tinkering with their ROM and making it "faster".
You can download systraymonitor from the market, which gives you RAM/MEMORY/BATTERY, etc.
A2SD could be beneficial if you are installing more than 25+ apps, as it allows your system memory to combine with a partition of your SD card, thus keeping available memory higher, which leaves plenty of room for browser cache, app cache, etc.
Welcome to the wonderful world of ROMs for our Hero.
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Thank you for your input. Will check that app.
aisseleacim03 said:
By installing the new ROM my phone works better and faster, no lagg.
But I understand that it can be even better...
I have deleted bloatware (using root explorer) and at this point have not reinstalled many of my apps (waiting for the next DC ROM release)
How can I find how much free space / memory I have left on my phone?
RAM, MB, etc?
I have read that if you monitor the use of space then it will be a fine tune machine.
I read about Ap2sd and that might help? Others say it doesnt beacuse it slows the response time when running an app.
Any words of wisdom?
Thanks
Any help will be appreciated.
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ap2sd only helps really if you have a fast sd (ie aftermarket class 6 or 10) but ap2sd is mainly to free up space, you won't notice a preformance boost this way.... at least I haven't even with a class 6 card. It's just to allow you to install tons of apps.
android self manages it's ram but there are times where it doesn't do it very efficently, there's roms out there esp from flipz and darch that optimize the internal task killer/memory management to give a more fluid expereince.
I would reccomend agianst a task manager as I've had nothing but problems with it.
as far as making it faster look for roms that have JIT, BFS, and/or overclock. Mind you each one of these removes stability from a stock based rom, they're not perfect but they are pretty nice. And in my opinion the leeway you give is worth the benifit with that type of thing. But each one of those has a significant preformance boost advantage. BFS being what I reccognize as the biggest improvement in overall system preformance.
I would personally reccomend fresh toast, really research how to install it correctly but it's one of the best most stable I've personally tried. Next being my personal favorites darchdroid.
hope this helps.
Kcarpenter said:
4 Things.
1. Over Clock
2. JIT
3. Remove Sense (optional)
4. Class 6 SD card, not a cheap-o
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Excuse my ignorance...I have heard of all the option but number 1.
Over Clock? I dont know what does that mean.
Thanks for the info though.
aisseleacim03 said:
Excuse my ignorance...I have heard of all the option but number 1.
Over Clock? I dont know what does that mean.
Thanks for the info though.
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short: makes your processor go faster than it was designed to do within proven stable(ish)/safe(ish) limits
long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking
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1. Over Clock
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...at your own risk. My phone runs great without this. I don't think it's worth the risk of cooking my proc's bacon.
Grease Lightning yo!!!!
In all seriousness, if you wanna rev up your performance but at the expense of our already limited battery life, try out FreshToast 2.1 or if you want a clean trimmed vanilla feel try out DarchDroid and make sure you follow the directions for getting the OC app configured (OC Widget or SetCPU)
That'll definitely give you the max possible bang out of your phone. Buyer beware, these roms are not without their quirks, so please for the love of NY Cheesecake (oh hush, haven't eaten since 8am this morning heh) read through each of the respective threads to hunt down and possibly cure the kinks that plague your configuration.
Thread Moved to Q&A.
subcypher said:
...at your own risk. My phone runs great without this. I don't think it's worth the risk of cooking my proc's bacon.
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Ive had my phone overclocked to the max the last few days. Running smooth. I underclock while phone is sleeping
I made mine 3x faster by picking a rom with no sense, rm EVERY apk that I don't use ( friendstream, flickr, tweet, etc...everything except what I USE) and apps2sd. I run a buke naked pure hero, installed apps i DO want,and it never lags. I Only get 2.2 mflops
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I am a Tilt 2 user... I have been playing with alot of the different roms out there and i find them all to be very similar. I dont know what the difference is in Manilla, and Sence. I kinda fingured out what HTC messaging is... Not a big fan of it.
Here is what I am looking for:
SPEED.... when I press a button... i want it to get to that screen fast! I dont use many apps other than basic features. MMS, SMS, EMAIL, PHONE, and Camera. I do sometimes use the GPS. but not often. I could care less about the stocks feautre.
I prefer the windows threaded mesages... not the HTC one.
I do like the Facebook integration on some of the roms but that is not required.
What would you guys say is my best option at this time? Titanium?
I second this. I have never worked with a phone that is so SLOW.
I have no choice but to use this phone as it is supplied by work.
Fast rom needed.
HALP!
yes, go with the energy titanium rom, it's quite zippy if you're looking for that. but realize this phone only has a 528 processor so it still won't be all that fast if you're comparing to other people.
I realize that it wont be as fast as the 1GHz HD2 that is out now... but i just want to squeeze a bit more out of the device i already have.
The phone itself isn't slow... Bad made ROMs make it slow.
Try LBFAR or Simplicity. In my *PERSONAL* opinion they are a lot of faster then any Energy ROM.
Also they aren't bloated with crap...
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yes, go with the energy titanium rom, it's quite zippy if you're looking for that. but realize this phone only has a 528 processor so it still won't be all that fast if you're comparing to other people.
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If speed is your main objective, give overclocking a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
Jackos said:
The phone itself isn't slow... Bad made ROMs make it slow.
Try LBFAR or Simplicity. In my *PERSONAL* opinion they are a lot of faster then any Energy ROM.
Also they aren't bloated with crap...
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Massive +1 to this. I use Simplicity myself most of the time. It's pretty light and fast. (Not to say that LBFAR isn't light or fast. It is both. It's just a little bit too psychadelically colored for me.)
Also, Jackos's ROMs are pretty nice as well, and are generally what I'm running if I am not on Simplicity. They're not built specifically for speed, but they're really well crafted and end up being faster than many other ROMs because of it. They're also rock solid. Just tossing that out there, as Jackos seems to have passed on the opportunity to toot his own horn.
Jackos
I am downloading Jackos right now... if the silly file host didnt limit me to 1 file per hour i would have already had it.. but its going now. I am going to try a couple of differnt ones... as well as over clocking app.
Jackos said:
The phone itself isn't slow... Bad made ROMs make it slow.
Try LBFAR or Simplicity. In my *PERSONAL* opinion they are a lot of faster then any Energy ROM.
Also they aren't bloated with crap...
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yes, if your looking for speed improvement with lack of visual effects this is true
Use the standard ROM and disable HTC sense, it won't get any faster or stable.
Mirror in my sig.
Language
Jackos, I just downloaded the rom from your previous post on this thread... once I installed it, It did not apear to be in english? did I download the wrong one? it also did not apear to include the radio from the rom... but that is easy enough to fix.
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Jackos, I just downloaded the rom from your previous post on this thread... once I installed it, It did not apear to be in english? did I download the wrong one? it also did not apear to include the radio from the rom... but that is easy enough to fix.
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you may have downloaded the polish version. Make sure the name of the file has WWE in it and not PLK. Im using Jackos S2 ROM WWE JackFULL v1.7 right now and it is flawless. Also the ROM download includes the Radio 4.49.25.91 and task29. Hope this helps
FL5 said:
If speed is your main objective, give overclocking a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
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+1 to that
Shouldn't a new user first choose a RELIABLE ROM and later try some extreme tools like overclock?!
I disagree with this.
-1 to that
Jackos said:
Shouldn't a new user first choose a RELIABLE ROM and later try some extreme tools like overclock?!
I disagree with this.
-1 to that
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I didn't say that he shouldn't perhaps pick a new ROM that he likes, first. But I also wouldn't call overclocking an "extreme" tool - OCT seems to work very well and my phone is 100% stable, without dynamic overclocking.
I would never recommended an overclocking tool for a new user.
Firstly, how can you be sure that the tool doesn't deal damage to the processor? It's out for just around 2 months.
Secondly, it does shorten the battery life (it may does dmg to the battery too).
Thirdly, it may cause lockups, power management problems, SoD etc.
Yes I would call the current OCT1.5 tool stable enough running at 710Mhz and yes it does speedup our devices, but I still wouldn't recommend it.
Jackos said:
Shouldn't a new user first choose a RELIABLE ROM and later try some extreme tools like overclock?!
I disagree with this.
-1 to that
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Jackos said:
I would never recommended an overclocking tool for a new user.
Firstly, how can you be sure that the tool doesn't deal damage to the processor? It's out for just around 2 months.
Secondly, it does shorten the battery life (it may does dmg to the battery too).
Thirdly, it may cause lockups, power management problems, SoD etc.
Yes I would call the current OCT1.5 tool stable enough running at 710Mhz and yes it does speedup our devices, but I still wouldn't recommend it.
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Yeah, totally valid points. I kinda fired that suggestion out off-the-cuff right before class started last night, and very obviously didn't flesh it out appropriately.
Overclocking IS an advanced tool and it does impact the stability of a device. Some handsets tolerate it much better than others, but without first having a good working understanding and feel for both the hardware and the ROM you're using, it can cause no end of frustration trying to figure out what settings work for a setup individually (it's like voodoo magic; all settings very much have been found NOT to work for all people).
The first step should be to find a stable ROM and become familiar with how it works, and then start dabbling carefully only AFTER reading the bejeezus out of the OC thread (seriously, RTFM), should a person still be interested.
That being said, in my experience the settings that work seem to be more hardware-dependent than ROM-dependent. After pretty thorough experimentation to find the settings that work well for my TP2, I've been able to carry those settings across several different ROMs without issue. Of course, that being said, I will fully admit that I believe that no amount of care will cause an overclock setup to be as stable as a non-overclocked setup.
Also, yes, overclocking definitely burns through battery life, just like turbocharging burns through gasoline, and this almost assuredly decreases the useful lifespan of your battery. While I'm less certain about the potential for processor damage, that does very possibly exist as well.
That being said, I'm a reckless jerk and always load OCT as one of the first steps on a new flash. However, I do so after having taken all of the above into consideration. It was hasty and ill-advised to recommend that a new user jump in uninformed. My bad.
I haven't noticed a big difference with overclock, so I decided not to use it... The truth is that the phone is perfectly fine. The biggest culprit in all of the slowness is HTC "Bloatware" Sense. I'm seriously considering paying for SPB mobile shell or something similiar and scrapping Sense completely right now, it just doesn't make up for how demanding it is.
/rant off.
I am open to the possibility that at least some of what I perceive could be a placebo affect, but I definitely feel that there is a difference when my TP2 is overclocked to 787mhz, and I currently feel no compulsion to discontinue doing so.
Thing is, I have to admit that the perception is primarily felt when trying to feed the Sense 2.5/CHT resource devourer combo, and even then the TP2 falls noticeably short. It is painfully obvious that Sense was not meant for the TP2, and OC is really just the slap-patch that allows it to limp along at an arguably acceptable pace.
I've been internally debating about going back to SPB MS myself. The amount of functionality that it has is incredible considering the scant resources it uses. I actually meant to drop it back in this past weekend before I got swept up in other nonsense, as I found a little app/toggle somewhere here on xda that claims to switch between manila and SPB MS. I've got CHT on right now, because it is oh-so-pretty, and I am quite fond of my current layout's aesthetics, but it is a total dog, even on Simplicity.
I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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Its called RFS... call up samsung and complain to them about it...
so many problems with this
a) wrong section, Q&A or general please
b) notice that word "leaked" in what you said? it means this isn't OFFICIAL, which means it likely ISN'T the final release, so it's bound to have at least some bugs.
c) ryanza lagfix is placebo and awful and doesn't work at all (on top of that, ext2 is a bad choice)
d) if you understood how/where the lag was coming from, you'd know why voodoo is "necessary" on 2.1
e) the aria is built EXTREMELY different from the captivate, it's like comparing the iphone to the nokia n8... yes they're both android, but they're built different which leads to complications
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
g) and shockingly a SMALLER piece of hardware with a SMALLER resolution made by a company known for making quality android phones runs smoother? shocker. honestly.
h) if you actually had any other real world interactions with other android phones, you'd know the lag is occasional but not unusual (hell I've seen just as bad or worse on the droid x before)
i) I suggest you read, read, read, search, read, read, and think before you make posts like the above (why on earth you thought this belongs in development is beyond me)
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There are two kinds of lag. I/O lag is caused by the delays in accessing data stored on your phone in some partition. This is largely due to the use of RFS by Samsung, and the voodoo lag fix gets rid of most of that. Unfortunately there is no voodoo on Captivate leaked Froyo yet, as the source code has not yet been released by Samsung. The OCLF type fixes will help some by masking this lag when the amount of data being written and read is small. When a large amount of data is involved, these fixes will lag, as they still sit on top of RFS.
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
troll. go get an aria then^^
save a galaxy s for a person who can truly appreciate it.
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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crossover37 said:
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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Look at the z4mod post in this forum. It works on 2.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811902
Kaik541 said:
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
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There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
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There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
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the "pre-release" version you're talking about is for the i9000... and guess what, the i9000 has source code, we do not
I had the same issue when I installed the leaked 2.2.
I did a master reset, flashed back to stock, master reset again, flashed to 2.2 cognition. Now I don't know if the second master reset was necessary, but my phone is faster than ever. Very few problems, in fact... less problem than the 2.2 leak.
Just flash to cog 2.1.6/2.1.7. I have absolutely no lag at all. Though even at stock my phone wasnt crazy laggy like your claiming your phone is.
rajendra82 said:
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
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Autokiller is NOT a task killer. It changes the memory management profile that defines when the apps are closed. This is a combination of the amount of free RAM and the type of app and the state it is in. I also disagree that free RAM is wasted RAM. If you are trying to open a webpage and the amount of RAM is low, the system has to decide to close something else to free the space you need. If the profile of what to close is inefficient, you will frequently run into low memory situations, when the system has to continue to close some apps to free up the memory, and you will see lag as the system works it out for you. What makes you think that the profile that Samsung chose to determine when to close an app is necessarily the best one?
Hi
I've been doing some reading on this forum since I got my phone back from the "repairsman" due to malfunctioning speaker
So, now I've falshed the latest Modaco release, but however, the phone really get's laggy when you fill it up with apps. I get around 30mb of free RAM when everything is installed and set up.
I also experienced great improvement of my old Desire HD when I flashed to CM7 (gingerbread ROM).
So, now my question is, even though Paul did all his fantastic work on optimizing the stock ROM, are we going to experience the same "laggyness" in the future?
You might call me a bit of an app freak, but I never had these problem with my former HTC, and You would think the O2X should do at least as well.
Im aware that the O2X has lesser RAM, but shouldn't it be enough?
Could it be solved with the 2.3 release, or perhaps a CM7 custom ROM in the future?
I would really like to use all my apps and widgets as on my DHD.
What's your oppinion?
Well future isnt the future if you knew it. But my guess is that the potential of this device is by far not reached and will be greatly improved with the next update.
Since this device is so easy to root i would also say that the dev community will support it for quite a while.
Looking forward very optimistic. But as this tegra device is the first of its kind on the market we might have to live with the fact that upcoming devices use their potential better.
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I guess the problem with the MoDaCo ROM is that's at the end of the day, it's still built on LG's effort.
I suspect CM will be a whole different kettle of fish.
Download MinFree Manager from Market and set different values. I set "Aggresive" settings. It changes value when apps are killed from RAM.