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Could anybody post some sample photos from the kaiser camera at maximum quality settings?, maximum resolution, best jpeg compression...
thanks!

pepeto2001 said:
Could anybody post some sample photos from the kaiser camera at maximum quality settings?, maximum resolution, best jpeg compression...
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http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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Very good quality.

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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They are not bad at all. Colors seem a little faded though. Oh well, it's a cellphone!

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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Eva_d, the new photos are better than the initial ones (the ones yo uploaded to modaco forum), could you try a macro photo?, or some photos with the camera holded firmly to very near objects?, and a recorded video?
Thank youuu very much!!!!

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, the new photos are better than the initial ones (the ones yo uploaded to modaco forum), could you try a macro photo?, or some photos with the camera holded firmly to very near objects?, and a recorded video?
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Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.

eva_d said:
Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.
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That macro pics are very good, I'm beginning to think that the initial photos that werent as good as paul(modaco) samples was because of not holding the camera firmly until photo was done... isnt it?... I'm talking about imag0005, imag0006...

Nice pictures and good quality (focus/resolution).
A scan of a letter would be a other good indicator for the macro function (focus/resolution).
Maybe you can take one more photo of e.g. an advertising letter
or of a journal/magazine with text?
Thanks!

Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?
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I must say that kind of keyboard is really convenient, I was using Nokia E61 for almost 2 months as a primary phone, and actually I liked it. But I'm back on board with WM platform.
Btw. I've uploaded example video - sorry for rotation, I did it from a mobile holder in my car. I've also uploaded close-up of texts, as requested - a little blurry tough, I should have done them from more distance.

the video looks really good... the macro shots... maybe there wasnt enought light, this phone cameras have a big shutter lag, this is the time since you press de button and the photo is really done, then, it is really important to hold steady the "camera" till the photo is on screen..
Thanks for your photos again!!

Is 320x240 the highest resolution?

Here some of my "masterpieces"
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great photos, they look very good!!!, any photo with faces?, in a crowded street or something similar..

eva_d said:
Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.
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Quite impressive for a cameraphone. I can't believe what I'm seeing actually.
Although http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/IMAG0039.jpg shows that the debayering algorithm used by the phone is CRAP. "maze" patterns like those seen in the sky are a known issue with the simpler interpolation algorithms. Has anyone created a camera app for HTC phones that can save raw sensor data to be given to an application such as dcraw?

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?
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The slide-out keyboard has major form factor advantages (phone is smaller and keys are larger), but there are plenty of times I miss my Treo 650's non-slideout "always-there" keyboard, especially when dialing.
Palm has stagnated a lot, but the one thing where they are way ahead is in terms of "non-stylus" operation. Strange that there is a Smartphone Edition of Windows Mobile but many of its improvements are not in the version for phones with a touchscreen.

Entropy512 said:
Quite impressive for a cameraphone. I can't believe what I'm seeing actually.
Although http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/IMAG0039.jpg shows that the debayering algorithm used by the phone is CRAP. "maze" patterns like those seen in the sky are a known issue with the simpler interpolation algorithms. Has anyone created a camera app for HTC phones that can save raw sensor data to be given to an application such as dcraw?
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Sadly coolcamera doesn't work with Kaiser for some reason.
http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html
I was usually getting better pictures with coolcamera on any HTC phone.

This is a Sample Photo:
Enjoy
Nadavi

wow!, last photos are very good, they show the quality of the camera!!

One more. I did tweaked parameters a bit.

Quick question. Please read :X

Ok, So the camera's 3.2 mega pixel and the video recorder records pretty low res.
Would it be possible to edit the recorder so that it can record higher res/better quality?

Or is there any apps or console commands to change this

Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.

Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.

Frito37 said:
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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I actually have to agree with this as I've had the G600 and that camera SUCKED no matter what PhoneArena says. I noticed i would only use the G1 for pictures so i got rid of the 600

I took a picture of my eye and then shooped the hell outta it. (I added alot of the spots and wrinkles :X)
This is a resized/croped version, Hell you can see the g1 reflection in my eye.
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Its a nice camera!

Anyone? I still would like this answered

nice fake :-D

your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
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Ok you must not be able to read.
I'm not asking about quality of the camera.
Im asking if its at all possible to make video RECORDING better or higher res.
And what do you mean by nice fake?
If ur implying the pictures fake, Its not at all fake and was taken by my g1.

It depends alot on bandwidth of memory in the device. I dont know if it is possible right now to make a better/higer quality video recorder. If Google creates API's that take advantage of the full potential of the graphics chips we may get a better camcorder app.

I updated to hero and it seems to have a bit better video recording
but thats because of the codec it uses.

xsnipuhx said:
your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769

just2good4u3434 said:
Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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Thanks.
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No, and the reason is:
A still camera has a longer exposure time and can dedicate more light overtime for each picture. A video has to a expose an image 30 times a second, so in order to expose properly the camera must take many pixels from the ccd and group them together as 1 pixel reducing image size for video. (I could be done by reducing FPS, but that will only go so far.)
And there is also issues with video format standards and the G1 ability to play back video to consider as well.

Heck, even my Canon 5D Mark II can only record video at 1/10th of the resolution it captures still images at. It does video at 1920x1080 or 2,073,600 pixels, whereas still images are captured at 5616x3744 or 21,026,304 pixels.
I think people expect far too much from a phone that has a camera that probably cost $15 to manufacture (the camera part - not the whole phone).

No I dont exspect it to do better i just wondering if it could.

4.4.2 Camera quality poll

Ok guy's I wanted to start a poll regarding the camera quality since 4.4.2.
I love my nexus 5 but I found the camera when it was stock 4.4 was impressive even in low light with the flash, However because so many people were complaining about the speed of it taking shots (it didn't bother me as long as it took nice photo's) Now google have responded with 4.4.2 and speeded the camera shot process however the image quality has reduced by some margin even in well lit area's,
So basically this is a poll to gauge who wants to take better quality photo's or faster photo's
Personally I couldn't care less how long it took as long they were good quality photo's...

Makes me glad I got the phone about the same time 4.4.2 came out

Requesting new poll option: Use a different camera app and be able to do both. No need to be limited by the automatic settings.

bblzd said:
Requesting new poll option: Use a different camera app and be able to do both. No need to be limited by the automatic settings.
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The trouble is as far as I know there is no 3rd party app that uses HDR+ mode.

Ady1976 said:
The trouble is as far as I know there is no 3rd party app that uses HDR+ mode.
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u can't tell the difference if u use HDR Camera+ and Snap Camera HDR

hello00 said:
u can't tell the difference if u use HDR Camera+ and Snap Camera HDR
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Does that app have Jpeg compression settings level similar to Camera JB+ ?

Ady1976 said:
Does that app have Jpeg compression settings level similar to Camera JB+ ?
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im not sure..maybe if u get the paid version for both of them

hello00 said:
im not sure..maybe if u get the paid version for both of them
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Thanks I shall have a look at that and compare some daylight and night shots.

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I for one am not updating to 4.4.1, or 4.4.2. I have no complaints with the release software. Who gives a **** about how good the stock photos are. If you care even marginally about image quality then you should know how to properly edit a photo. Simple as that. I love this phone.

Day shots are as good as before, night shots are worse, more noise and it's just not impressive anymore. I'd take the slower shutter for night shots anytime, and keep the new behavior for daylight shots.
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At least for me, low light camera shots look extremely better in HDR+ with the 4.4.2 update over the 4.4 release, but I can't tell a difference on day shots
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Sirgatory said:
I for one am not updating to 4.4.1, or 4.4.2. I have no complaints with the release software. Who gives a **** about how good the stock photos are. If you care even marginally about image quality then you should know how to properly edit a photo. Simple as that. I love this phone.
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That's exactly my point, I was extremely happy with stock 4.4, Camera was fine and video's were great so I'm gauging who prefers quality over speed of shots.
Question ? When your in the market for a compact camera what is end users primary concern ? How good the images are ? Or how fast it take shots ? Exactly point proved and judging from the results of the poll so far looks like I'm not alone either.

rayiskon said:
Day shots are as good as before, night shots are worse, more noise and it's just not impressive anymore. I'd take the slower shutter for night shots anytime, and keep the new behavior for daylight shots.
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Agreed, they boosted the ISO because they increase the shutter speed in low light thus images turns up pretty noisy. What's the point of having OIS when it can't use it? It's better to have slower shutter and low ISO to make the image sharper and less noise in dark environment, just make the OIS more aggressive, come on Google don't fail me now

I came from the HTC One and iPhone 5s. I dumped both for the N5 that I purchased used that was already updated to 4.4.2.
The noise level is way too high. Day or night. Focus issues are still present. What's worst is that I can never get a clean, clear shot. I don't even want to transfer the images taken from the N5 to the computer because I know it will be a lot worse than what I see on my phone.
I purchased Camera Awesome. Didn't do anything to help with the issue. Does anyone else have any suggestions as to a better app to use? Or a mod for a previous version?
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I prefer faster shots. With 4.4 I almost went nuts... especially in dark areas it was almost impossible to focus. So for me I accept the 5% worse quality and get 100% faster shots.

Very impressed with day shots, have yet to try a night shot, but I did notice the screen was much darker.
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Pictures is good, but in update i lost so good video quality, now camcorder is so dark, cant see the thing when there dark environment. And i dont know why
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Whatever they did to the camera they need to revert it. All photos shouldn't look like they were taken with an ISO of 800.
EDIT: It's worse than I thought. A relatively bright photo = ISO 1336.

I prefer the quicker photo's. I don't need a camera to take pictures of my dinner or a flower. Anyone who has kids is definitley enjoying the update.
If you look through the picture thread here the majority of the pics are people's food. I don't really need to keep a picture journal of what I eat. lol

[Q] Any way to improve poor camera results?

The Xperia T is an amazing phone. Coming from an HTC Sensation, it seems like an improvement in almost all aspects:
1. The svelte matte design is definitely an improvement with excellent weight distribution.
2. Faster Processor
3. More RAM and more Internal Space
4. NFC
5. Official support till 4.3
Having said all that, the camera is a bit of a disappointment. For me, I find the current pictures overexposed and no saturation in colors, with lots of noise. (The noise is unbelievable) The algorithm compresses the pictures a little too much. I expected better from a 13 megapixel camera and that too from Sony.
In my Sensation with its 8MP camera, I am using an AOSP 4.2 release, whose camera apk allows me to select picture quality and I set it to Super. The resulting pictures are larger in size (4.0 MB - 5.69MB) but a joy to see with wonderful exposure balance and no noise in morning shots. I tried the same with Xperia T, but even when selecting Super or using Stock Rom, the camera is still not working up to par. I have tested the Xperia T camera on stock, OmniRom and CM Roms
I was just wondering, is this hardware limitation or the software/kernel is to blame?
Hope to hear from all on this. Thank you.

ib.ch said:
The Xperia T is an amazing phone. Coming from an HTC Sensation, it seems like an improvement in almost all aspects:
1. The svelte matte design is definitely an improvement with excellent weight distribution.
2. Faster Processor
3. More RAM and more Internal Space
4. NFC
5. Official support till 4.3
Having said all that, the camera is a bit of a disappointment. For me, I find the current pictures overexposed and no saturation in colors, with lots of noise. (The noise is unbelievable) The algorithm compresses the pictures a little too much. I expected better from a 13 megapixel camera and that too from Sony.
In my Sensation with its 8MP camera, I am using an AOSP 4.2 release, whose camera apk allows me to select picture quality and I set it to Super. The resulting pictures are larger in size (4.0 MB - 5.69MB) but a joy to see with wonderful exposure balance and no noise in morning shots. I tried the same with Xperia T, but even when selecting Super or using Stock Rom, the camera is still not working up to par. I have tested the Xperia T camera on stock, OmniRom and CM Roms
I was just wondering, is this hardware limitation or the software/kernel is to blame?
Hope to hear from all on this. Thank you.
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Try the Cyber Shot camera mod for XT and XV by (I think) Rizal Lovins.. It has all software values maxed, for optimum quality.
Should be somewhere in the Xperia T Themes and Mods section.
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Try using 3rd party app, camera 360 or vignette, it does not compress pic that much
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arctic02 said:
Try using 3rd party app, camera 360 or vignette, it does not compress pic that much
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I can also recommend Camera MX, as it does not only provide a very potent image editor featuring HDR and probably everything else you desire, but also lets you scale your desired image encoding quality completely freely from 0 to 100 (which is basically what every camera mod does).
Also, this camera app makes our phones able to even create 16:9 images at 13MP, unlike the stock 4:3 format at this resolution.
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WhiteNeo said:
I can also recommend Camera MX, as it does not only provide a very potent image editor featuring HDR and probably everything else you desire, but also lets you scale your desired image encoding quality completely freely from 0 to 100 (which is basically what every camera mod does).
Also, this camera app makes our phones able to even create 16:9 images at 13MP, unlike the stock 4:3 format at this resolution.
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But all these are just tricks, that have very little in common with quality improvement. You can't produce a 13MP 16:9 photo when the phone sensor is 13MP at 4:3. It's only an interpolation, I can aswell make a software that will create 1000MP image from our phones, but the image quality will be questionable at least
As for the question, you can alyways try different settings/scenes. Also you might have faulty unit with bad camera, post the photos you believe are poor and we might be able to help.
Also, Sony last years have been pretty bad at camera quality. I say it's hardware, camera in Xperia T is not bad, but it ain't awesome either. Just have a look at this comparison from GSMArena, both pics scaled to 8MP, you can clearly see that HTC Sensation is superior.
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Question Has Anyone Else Had This Issue Shooting 4K Video With The 3x Camera?

Here's the information on my current version and also here is a video showing the issue.
This issue only occurs when shooting in 4K. When shooting in 1080p it's absolutely fine. Which makes me think it's a software issue. I've tried resetting the camera app, clearing cache and data etc. But nothing seems to help. Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know a fix for it?
I've only just got the phone and finished setting it all up and when testing the camera I noticed this.
Here's another video showing the issue of shooting video using the 3x camera in 4K. As well as showing that it doesn't occur when shooting in 1080p. As some people thought it was due to low light.
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I am no expert in photography or filming, but it may well be due to physical limitations of the camera icw software and not necessarily a bug.

OnnoJ said:
I am no expert in photography or filming, but it may well be due to physical limitations of the camera icw software and not necessarily a bug.
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This is why I want to see if anyone else can replicate this or not. Then at least I'll know it's not just my device.

Same issue

No1VIPER said:
This is why I want to see if anyone else can replicate this or not. Then at least I'll know it's not just my device.
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To replicate, can you elaborate what exactly you did to make the video? (Settings in camera, how did you transition to the close-up (switch zoom/how or move the phone closer?)
I was not able to replicate and see the effect...

OnnoJ said:
To replicate, can you elaborate what exactly you did to make the video? (Settings in camera, how did you transition to the close-up (switch zoom/how or move the phone closer?)
I was not able to replicate and see the effect...
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It happens when using UHD 30 in 16:9 and starting recording in 1x, then switching to 3x to zoom in. When shooting in FHD it doesn't happen though.

Keyvannn said:
Same issue
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Was it always like this, or did an update cause it?

No1VIPER said:
Was it always like this, or did an update cause it?
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Honestly, I didn't realize this, I always used fhd

Keyvannn said:
Honestly, I didn't realize this, I always used fhd
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The other weird thing is that it doesn't happen when using UHD 30 in Full instead of 16:9 either

Not sure what is wrong here? If it is the blurriness and lack of focus when zoomed then that is normal as the 3x is too close to the subject to focus.

No issue here, in particular when I verify ability camera to focus at 3x in advance and adjus the minimum distance between object (also a watch with illuminating dial at dark wooden table) and S21U camera (G998B).
If I start too close, no good focus thus bit blurry at 3x, but no lighting issue.
My guess is that the lighting conditions in shown video are just too dim.

It's too dark and you are too close to the object for the 3x to focus properly.
The 3x has a tighter aperture and it takes in much less light than the 1x. It is only meant to be used in well lit scenarios and also not as close as you have it.
You also say it works if you shoot in FHD, so if you can also make the same video with the EXACT same conditions, do it and show us.

I've added another video to the first post now showing a comparison between the 4K and 1080p videos. Also shoot in low light to show that it's not due to that.

babyboy3265 said:
It's too dark and you are too close to the object for the 3x to focus properly.
The 3x has a tighter aperture and it takes in much less light than the 1x. It is only meant to be used in well lit scenarios and also not as close as you have it.
You also say it works if you shoot in FHD, so if you can also make the same video with the EXACT same conditions, do it and show us.
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Did you see the new video I added to the first post?

No1VIPER said:
I've added another video to the first post now showing a comparison between the 4K and 1080p videos. Also shoot in low light to show that it's not due to that.
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Same issue here, Android 12 One UI 4.0, S21 Ultra Exynos variant

japanairforce99 said:
Same issue here, Android 12 One UI 4.0, S21 Ultra Exynos variant
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I wonder if it's just an Exynos issue perhaps then.

Exynos S21U, no such issue here

No1VIPER said:
Did you see the new video I added to the first post?
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I think you can mark your issue as solved and I will tell you why.
The reason that it looks fine on FHD, is because the phone does NOT switch to the 3x camera when you press the button. Since you are recording at 1080, it just crops the image smoothly. While at 4K it switches cameras and since you are too close to your object, the 3x camera does not manage to Focus. You can test this by putting your finger infront of the camera and see.
I would advice that you pull your phone 10cm back and then try this again, the 3x camera should then focus properly.

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babyboy3265 is correct. See my video from not so close to object.​

my Problem is just in UHD60 recording. i can choose between 1x ,3x or 10x before start the recording. When i start to record i dont have this 3x or 10x button any more. but in FHD or UHD30 i have it after start.