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Doesn't anyone find it odd that we are paying out huge sums of cash for a Linux based OS that is free to use?
Because the cost of the handset doesn't factor into it at all :face palms:
I mean they handed us a broken toy and we fixed it for them with no pay and they sold it back to us as an update, now we are fixing it up more. Hopefully when Android 114.6 rolls out some devs. will for a union of some kind and make some cash from big business instead of settling for the 2.99 that their brothers and sisters are downloading.
Next time put the bong down and think before posting.
Here's your basic argument in another context:
The internet is free so why do we spend so much money on computers to browse web pages?
You fail. Thanks for playing.
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I mean they handed us a broken toy and we fixed it for them with no pay and they sold it back to us as an update, now we are fixing it up more. Hopefully when Android 114.6 rolls out some devs. will for a union of some kind and make some cash from big business instead of settling for the 2.99 that their brothers and sisters are downloading.
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But no one asked you to fix it...?
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Because the cost of the handset doesn't factor into it at all :face palms:
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Oh, no kidding, I had totally forgotten that hardware costs money somewhere on the road to neverland .
Compare prices for free vs paid OS on the same specs. Shouldn't there be a decent difference between the two?
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But no one asked you to fix it...?
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True but shouldn't the devs. get what they deserve?
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Next time put the bong down and think before posting.
Here's your basic argument in another context:
The internet is free so why do we spend so much money on computers to browse web pages?
You fail. Thanks for playing.
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You fail, pretty damn horribly when you buy computers specifically, I have bought every computer I have ever owned without an OS and it has been cheaper than one with it.
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True but shouldn't the devs. get what they deserve?
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OK this whole line of "logic" is just not workin. You might wanna cut bait on this one.
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OK this whole line of "logic" is just not workin. You might wanna cut bait on this one.
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Ok we whatever, I just got an Android phone and I hate it so I'm gonna get something windows. This is my first experience with Linux on a handset and if the developers wanna get screwed let them, forming union isn't hard we did it where I work, well we joined one but it makes everything a dev does worth money. Good way to make a living.
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And another person is born that we all would have been better of without.
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Ok we whatever, I just got an Android phone and I hate it so I'm gonna get something windows. This is my first experience with Linux on a handset and if the developers wanna get screwed let them, forming union isn't hard we did it where I work, well we joined one but it makes everything a dev does worth money. Good way to make a living.
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But who is it that decides the devs have been screwed. Is it you? I think that honor goes to each individual who bought the phone. You don't get to determine that someone else has been screwed just because your panties are in a bunch over something related to your phone.
The cost of a non open source operating system on a phone is going to be so heavily subsidized, I'd be surprised if the additional cost was more than a couple of dollars/pounds/whatever. Bottom line is that you're just paying for the device whichever route you take.
Also consider how long android has been out, it is definitely the quickest maturing mobile platform around. Anyone remember the state wm was in at this age?
Edit: I think the developers would rather be "screwed" as you put it in order to bring about progress in a timely manner. That's what open source is all about!
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The cost of a non open source operating system on a phone is going to be so heavily subsidized, I'd be surprised if the additional cost was more than a couple of dollars/pounds/whatever. Bottom line is that you're just paying for the device whichever route you take.
Also consider how long android has been out, it is definitely the quickest maturing mobile platform around. Anyone remember the state wm was in at this age?
Edit: I think the developers would rather be "screwed" as you put it in order to bring about progress in a timely manner. That's what open source is all about!
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Well said, I see and understand your point, thanks.
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I think the developers would rather be "screwed" as you put it in order to bring about progress in a timely manner. That's what open source is all about!
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First off, that's a toaster I want.
Second off, you're absolutely right. It's not about the money, it's about taking your phone to the next level and being able to say you were the one who got it there first. I and thousands of others have nothing but respect for these developers and a lot of us give them both props and donations for their work. I'm sure the donations are nice, but I doubt there are many devs on XDA who started writing ROMs and compiling kernels because they thought it would make them rich.
Don't understate the motivational power of random people coming into your thread to say "Your work is awesome, keep it up, and how cool would it be if it did this too?" For some people the respect is all they need, since genuine respect can't be bought, it can only be earned.
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And another person is born that we all would have been better of without.
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Wow, someone is either grumpy or cant take a joke...
You'd expect to pay money for a computer with no OS wouldnt you...
Well the same goes in this case my guessing.
Id rather have 1000's of people thanking me for my work than a few £100 in the bank if i was a dev....
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Ok we whatever, I just got an Android phone and I hate it so I'm gonna get something windows. This is my first experience with Linux on a handset and if the developers wanna get screwed let them, forming union isn't hard we did it where I work, well we joined one but it makes everything a dev does worth money. Good way to make a living.
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WOW. if you think unions are the answer, you have bigger problems than just android.
OMG guys I was scrolling and I thought I saw Llama's picture. ='[
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OMG guys I was scrolling and I thought I saw Llama's picture. ='[
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Lol..same here
So to give a little history I have a Droid 1 rooted with CM6, that boots my custom made Ubuntu 10.04 ARM image from it's SD Micro. Well, I upgraded to a Droid Bionic this last week and decided to jump into root right away, which went very smoothly using petes root tools one click method. Then the hack came out for using the wifi hotspot, and that worked just fine, then I removed the bloatware, no issues... but then when trying to run the ubuntu.sh script to create a "chroot" environment for Ubuntu (androlinux.com), I found that the device does not support loopback devices out of the box, rooted or not. And when the device rebooted... it just hung on to the Moto Dual Core splash screen and refused to boot. No matter what I did I could not get the thing to boot back up, eventually after 2 hours of pulling the battery and trying to recover through the built in "recovery" with no luck... I sped down to my local verizon HQ and had them take a look... they were also unable to get the phone to boot and ultimately replaced my 6 day old Bionic.... Just a warning to those of you who may be looking to go this route, probably should wait for a full on custom recovery and rooted rom before trying to boot any ARM images.
My my old Bionic RIP....
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So to give a little history I have a Droid 1 rooted with CM6, that boots my custom made Ubuntu 10.04 ARM image from it's SD Micro. Well, I upgraded to a Droid Bionic this last week and decided to jump into root right away, which went very smoothly using petes root tools one click method. Then the hack came out for using the wifi hotspot, and that worked just fine, then I removed the bloatware, no issues... but then when trying to run the ubuntu.sh script to create a "chroot" environment for Ubuntu (androlinux.com), I found that the device does not support loopback devices out of the box, rooted or not. And when the device rebooted... it just hung on to the Moto Dual Core splash screen and refused to boot. No matter what I did I could not get the thing to boot back up, eventually after 2 hours of pulling the battery and trying to recover through the built in "recovery" with no luck... I sped down to my local verizon HQ and had them take a look... they were also unable to get the phone to boot and ultimately replaced my 6 day old Bionic.... Just a warning to those of you who may be looking to go this route, probably should wait for a full on custom recovery and rooted rom before trying to boot any ARM images.
My my old Bionic RIP....
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Pretty dickheaded move in my opinion. I see that you mad no effort here to get support on getting your device to boot. Another fine example of how people suck. IMHO
I agree. You should have sought help here before returning to Verizon. You could have recovered your device. Its people like you that are driving up the price smart phones and making carriers and manufacturers lock down the phone. You get into doing stuff you don't know about and then when you screw up you make someone else eat the cost of your mistake. Thanks for bringing this to our attention but, most people know not to try and load custom software to a locked bootloader and stock recovery. Genius.
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Brutal.... but funny.
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This kind of **** gets tee squar's panties in a fraudulent bunch.
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what is this asshattery?
Hmm well.... you must be one of thoze google advocating yuppies falling in line like all the other little lemmings out there not giving two $#1ts about your privacy or the fact that all your searches are archived and filed kindly and neatly under peoples desks YOU DONT KNOW and disseminated to other corporates for a proffit... not to mention profiling... sorry friends but im a free citizen in this B30tch and i have the right to do whatever the F i feel like with MY phone that i pay for insurance on, and ridiculous fees for other BS the ITU deems necesary that we pay for... I absolutely love the fact that u think i drove up the price of this smart phone by tinkering with it.... ya take a statistics class then go take a look at verizons market cap and while ur at it take a look at google and motorola. These companies are, no kidding arround, ruining america. So u guys do what u like and join that good ol trendy movement. I on the other hand believe in my rights and privacy.
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You knowingly voided your warranty and then fraudulently used said warranty. You're a rationalizing ****. End of story. It's not even about cost or running a good thing, you just have no dignity.
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Hmm well.... you must be one of thoze google advocating yuppies falling in line like all the other little lemmings out there not giving two $#1ts about your privacy or the fact that all your searches are archived and filed kindly and neatly under peoples desks YOU DONT KNOW and disseminated to other corporates for a proffit... not to mention profiling... sorry friends but im a free citizen in this B30tch and i have the right to do whatever the F i feel like with MY phone that i pay for insurance on, and ridiculous fees for other BS the ITU deems necesary that we pay for... I absolutely love the fact that u think i drove up the price of this smart phone by tinkering with it.... ya take a statistics class then go take a look at verizons market cap and while ur at it take a look at google and motorola. These companies are, no kidding arround, ruining america. So u guys do what u like and join that good ol trendy movement. I on the other hand believe in my rights and privacy.
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You still are an idiot for screwing up your phone and not knowing how to fix it. Regardless if we are google sheep, you are part of the reason why you are ruining it for the rest of us.
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Hmm well.... you must be one of thoze google advocating yuppies falling in line like all the other little lemmings out there not giving two $#1ts about your privacy or the fact that all your searches are archived and filed kindly and neatly under peoples desks YOU DONT KNOW and disseminated to other corporates for a proffit... not to mention profiling... sorry friends but im a free citizen in this B30tch and i have the right to do whatever the F i feel like with MY phone that i pay for insurance on, and ridiculous fees for other BS the ITU deems necesary that we pay for... I absolutely love the fact that u think i drove up the price of this smart phone by tinkering with it.... ya take a statistics class then go take a look at verizons market cap and while ur at it take a look at google and motorola. These companies are, no kidding arround, ruining america. So u guys do what u like and join that good ol trendy movement. I on the other hand believe in my rights and privacy.
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I hope they end up charging you retail price for the replacement phone they gave you. By purchasing that phone and doing what you did, you voided your warranty. It was repairable by other means, but you acted without thinking and returned a bricked phone (your own fault) to Verizon for a working phone, so you could attempt to **** it up like the last one. Stay away from XDA, you make us look bad.
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Hmm well.... you must be one of thoze google advocating yuppies falling in line like all the other little lemmings out there not giving two $#1ts about your privacy or the fact that all your searches are archived and filed kindly and neatly under peoples desks YOU DONT KNOW and disseminated to other corporates for a proffit... not to mention profiling... sorry friends but im a free citizen in this B30tch and i have the right to do whatever the F i feel like with MY phone that i pay for insurance on, and ridiculous fees for other BS the ITU deems necesary that we pay for... I absolutely love the fact that u think i drove up the price of this smart phone by tinkering with it.... ya take a statistics class then go take a look at verizons market cap and while ur at it take a look at google and motorola. These companies are, no kidding arround, ruining america. So u guys do what u like and join that good ol trendy movement. I on the other hand believe in my rights and privacy.
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So, did you pay a deductible or was the exchange free?
I'm not going to resort to name calling, nor will I wish any bad luck upon you, OP.
I will, however, ask you this: If you knew enough to come here to post, then why didn't you know enough to look in the subforum two below this one titled Droid Bionic Android Development, and specifically at this post which is hovering in the top 5 or so responded to posts - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262540
I mean, reading the first post provides you with a link to http://briefmobile.com/droid-bionic-receives-fastboot-recovery-files which tells you in no terms that this is a good potential fix for
This Fastboot XML zip package could potentially assist bricked users with recovery back to the stock state. Motorola’s created a new file format for recovery that allows Bionic users to recover from a case of messed up software.
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The reason everyone here is attacking you is that you, who want to call us
one of thoze google advocating yuppies falling in line like all the other little lemmings out there not giving two $#1ts about your privacy or the fact that all your searches are archived and filed kindly and neatly under peoples desks YOU DONT KNOW and disseminated to other corporates for a proffit... not to mention profiling...
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- when you yourself explicitly stated that
So to give a little history I have a Droid 1 rooted with CM6
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- Well, last I checked, the Moto DROID original (I bought one on drop day back in Nov 2009, so I do have a little history with this device of my own) is also a Google Android device.
The reason everyone is getting angry with you is that you basically committed insurance fraud this way, and on top of that, you posted back as if you are entitled to commit said fraud. Those are the facts, and thus everyone is calling you names.
IMO, what you did was wrong, and lawfully, you should be prosecuted. But that is neither here nor there. If the VZW analysts . Moto analysts find enough evidence they may decide to do something - they may not. Who knows?
Next time, look around - this is a developer community, after all, and chances are you really haven't bricked your phone. These guys and gals eat, sleep, and breathe Android.
And they do it well.
"rationalised ****" lol OMG am i ever!!! I will own that!
Some of you actually make sense with the link between me and my "asshattery" and returning my droid. But most of you want to call names and well friends i was just honestly trying to help a community out with what i had suffered through. Ignorantly i have offended you... which was never intended. I assumed that most people are curious cats like myself. And for all of your info so i can put an end to this insurance fraud bs i bought the phone full price and got my second phone at an upgrade cost (had to use my wifes upgrade).... Not free. Hence the sad face in my first post. So all this prosecution crap... no. Voided warranty... yep! And knowingly so... Now some of you are going to retaliate "youre stupid for screwing up your phone and not check online to fix it" well short answer to that is i did check and was unable to find a cure and given some time i probably would have... but well the easy way to say this is hacking is an expensive hobby if it wasnt my phone itd be my comps processor for overclocking it too much (which ive done a number of times)... oh and someone posted about most people know not to try this on an encrypted bootloader... honest to god i didnt think it would effect it at all due to the fact that all i was doing was trying to boot an ARM image off an sd card... and have yet to find why that had any effect on the boot... Oh and another thing this was my very first post here... telling me to leave you guys alone cuz i make you look bad... that hurt :-(
Lol no not really... I love all of you xo...
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This post has now officially made the transition from comedy to farce. I'm not complaining. I enjoy low entertainment as well as high.
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This post has now officially made the transition from comedy to farce. I'm not complaining. I enjoy low entertainment as well as high.
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Lol i thank you for ur ability to have a sense of humor... i would laugh at this as well...
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The level of hypocracy and irony in this thread is astounding
This post started out about putting Ubuntu on a device. An operating system founded on community and sharing with open arms and friendliness. And the person who was attempting it was met with NOTHING but hate and persecution for how he went about resolving a very stressful and worry some situation.
Just cause someone does not handle a situation the way you see that they should, does not give you the right to throw insult after insult at them. Even if there is already a "hate filled band wagon" rolling by. In this community of developers who are presumably good hearted people, why is it not one person stepped up to make this into a real development thread???
I am not a developer and can barely write one line of code in Python. So I wouldn't be able to lend a hand. But as I am on the look out for a completely open device on the Verizon network, I am very interested in being able to put other operating systems on a phone. Especially as Ubuntu will be developing a dedicated phone OS in the next 2 years to go along with their computer and (soon to come) Smart TV OS line up.
Does anyone know of a thread that is honestly trying to get a Verizon phone unlocked to run other OS's?? This one is clearly resided to nothing but childish batter and remarks.
Good on the original poster for trying to keep his cool for the most part though.
**Edit: He did not commit insurance fraud, as I have paid fro the same insurance before and it specifically states that you will be guaranteed a new phone no matter what the issue. Even if it was your fault. It is justified by having to pay for it when you buy the phone, as well and needing to pay a deductible to receive a new phone. I actually put my D1 under the wheel of a car just to get a new phone. Cause I waited too long to learn about rooting and Verizon did an update that blocked root access. And the phone was getting to be sooo slow no matter how few processes I had running or few apps I had installed, that I couldn't take it anymore. Sometimes it would take 3 to 4 seconds just to move left or right on the home screen. I paid 50 dollars and got a Droid 2 Global as a replacement and rooted it with Z4 within 1 hour of getting the phone. Overclocked and tethered it within the first day. The only gripe I have with it is you can't put real custom Roms with custom kernels on this "Global" version cause the boot loader is still locked. Hence why I will not buy another phone that can not have the bootloader unlocked at all.
im pretty sure he didnt use the insurance but the warranty rather, insurance you pay for and pay when you get a replacement. I dont think he paid a dime after bricking his phone. that is where everyone is like wtf?
I did this as well.
I also tried to install ARM Ubuntu on my Bionic. It failed to install. I have not rebooted yet, do you have any suggestions that will save my device? I usually would have backed up the device, but I was so excited about Ubuntu that I forgot fo do so. I'm running .893, rooted (obviously). The only backup I have is from becore I rooted. Thanks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262540
This Fixes most soft Bricks and Makes your Phone the way it was out of the box. Stock and no root. its a fresh start. please read instructions carefully.
Woah.. no way!!!
I see this all the time and it really really bothers me. People that have done nothing other than read some forum posts that are readily available to anyone with an Internet connection are making money off of others hard work.
I just posted this to my local craigslist.
"Don't get scammed, all of the jailbreaking and rooting methods are available for FREE online.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Android+Root
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iPhone+Jailbreak
The odds that someone willing to root or jailbreak your phone for cash and being the person that created the method are approximately 0.
I say this because the developers of these methods do it as a hobby and share with their community.
So please, before you spend money on something you can do easily and for free, do a quick Google search.
tags: iphone android HTC apple samsung LG Galaxy EVO Epic Touch root jailbreak repair t-mobile verizon sprint att at&t 4g 3g tablet iPad Xoom"
I'm working on getting a laptop so that I can host "Free ROOTing events" at local coffee shops.
If you're with me I implore you to do the same. If there's a good reason why I shouldn't have done this, please let me know what I'm missing.
The people doing this aren't selling drugs or snatching purses. Is there really something wrong with perusing a legal source of income?
Also, the more people out there with rooted devices the better.
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Some people are scared to and would rather let someone else do it as they're scared they'll go wrong, I would say it's okay if they state somewhere it can be done yourself for free
Do you also have a problem with car wahing services? I mean you can do it yourself for free but some people still pay to have it done. Or what about home renovations? Why pay when you can Do it yourself? If a person can google for Unlock/root phone and find the person charging for it surely they must have passed over hundreds of DIY instructions in the process.
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Do you also have a problem with car wahing services? I mean you can do it yourself for free but some people still pay to have it done. Or what about home renovations? Why pay when you can Do it yourself?
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Lol great post. Add surgery, dental work and hair cuts to the list
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Lol great post. Add surgery, dental work and hair cuts to the list
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I hope your kidding.
i think the op is right. theyre profiting off of someone elses work that is being used for profit UNKNOWINGLY
I don't mind them. I mean the people using these services are to stupid to do it themselves anyway, so they chose to pay. I repair computers, and have ads up, and usually you can do all of it yourself. I mean it's not that hard to do a fresh install of Windows.
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I don't mind them. I mean the people using these services are to stupid to do it themselves anyway, so they chose to pay. I repair computers, and have ads up, and usually you can do all of it yourself. I mean it's not that hard to do a fresh install of Windows.
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But exploits have to be found, hours, if not days of work put into a root method for just ONE phone. That's not like just reinstalling windows, any schlep can do that.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
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But exploits have to be found, hours, if not days of work put into a root method for just ONE phone. That's not like just reinstalling windows, any schlep can do that.
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BUt what we are talking about here is that it's ready to be done. Anyone can do it themselves with an internet connection. But they chose not to.
Thats the beauty of capitalism, if someone's willing to pay for a service, someone is willing to work and get paid to do that service.
Jordan is right, its the same as washing a car or installing windows. Plus we don't need more noob threads about how they botched the rooting process and bashing the devs because they didn't read the directions. Better to have someone who knows what their doing and get the job done right.
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Thats the beauty of capitalism, if someone's willing to pay for a service, someone is willing to work and get paid to do that service.
Jordan is right, its the same as washing a car or installing windows. Plus we don't need more noob threads about how they botched the rooting process and bashing the devs because they didn't read the directions. Better to have someone who knows what their doing and get the job done right.
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Which is why if a customer first tries to fix something himself, and THEN calls me, I charge them more if they messed something up.
It's not a scam.... It's a service....
Scam = people paying money to jailbreak a phone for you that doesn't actually jailbreak the phone....
Service = people don't know how or are afraid to jailbreak their phone in fear of bricking their device, or that don't have the expertise to do it themselves.
Personal recomdation, if you use craigslist find someone local, don't send off your phone.
As you can see from this post Obsidian... said he will talk to hash about accepting a S4 Active to get his safe strap working. This will allow us to flash roms and multiboot different roms from our active(for more information on how this will work please go to this forum). He is currently working for this for the VZ S4 and seems to be making progress. If he is successful he will consider accepting an active to do the same. It would be cool to get him a Active so he can bug test and help us out. This will really boost the development for our device.... I write this to ask if you guys are willing to join with the community to raise money for his Active. We already have $675 towards a unlocked bootloader, this will give us most if not all the same features and will probably only cost us $400-$500. I hate to do this but below I will @ all the pledge members for the bootloader because some of them said they don't normally check the forums:
Pledges:
texassax $10
JEZZEJAMEZ $20
my-blue-snog-box $10
paleh0rse $10
skeppley $20
daugh016 $10
mnasledov $80
huggstown $100
Total = $260
Goal = $530
(this goal is based off of resent eBay auctions, if the phone costs less than the amount raised then the highest pledge amount will be reduced. Example if the highest pledge is $100 USD and we were $20 over... we would only ask for $80)
If someone wants to donate his phone to hash we can give you the pledge if needed
I'm tight on money myself, but count me in for $10 anyway.
@joshuadjohnson22, are you asking for a consensus as to whether people are willing to say "yeah, this fulfills the terms better than anything else we have come across; let's use the money we pledged for this"? Or are you starting another bounty independent of the bootloader?
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I'll do 20.00 for this just to see where it goes. I'm interested as well as wanting to help better the development of the sgs4A.
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@joshuadjohnson22, are you asking for a consensus as to whether people are willing to say "yeah, this fulfills the terms better than anything else we have come across; let's use the money we pledged for this"? Or are you starting another bounty independent of the bootloader?
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This is separate and will probably be the best we will ever get. The bootloader may never be unlocked, this will be a pre-release here's a device now work your magic type of commitment. The bootloader unlock will be nice but with this it will probably not be needed. If you want to remove one pledge for the other I understand fully.
Keep in mind he has not agreed to anything yet. We could get all the money together and he says no or just requests one of us to send him our device... or work with one of our users (the devices should be that different...), this is just to see if we have the money pledge to get him the active if he agrees
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This is separate and will probably be the best we will ever get. The bootloader may never be unlocked, this will be a pre-release here's a device now work your magic type of commitment. The bootloader unlock will be nice but with this it will probably not be needed. If you want to remove one pledge for the other I understand fully.
Keep in mind he has not agreed to anything yet. We could get all the money together and he says no or just requests one of us to send him our device... or work with one of our users (the devices should be that different...), this is just to see if we have the money pledge to get him the active if he agrees
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I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
Well, put me down for 10 for now. I can do at least that (maybe more if the fiance says it's okay lol)
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I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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Good point. It appears his team made some base roms for users that work well with the mod, it would be cool if he had some active specific support for us. Either way he may figure out that he could make a simple port for us but it would still be nice to know we have the support to provide a device if it is needed. So if it comes to that we can ship it out right away... but he is smart enough to decide if that will be needed. Either way this is exciting and I hope it works out
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Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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I'm a "resident idiot" and proud of it!
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Just keep me posted, my donation is good for either solution... or both (I'll pay twice if someone goes on to unlock the actual bootloader, as well).
I've got no real intention of buying an Active at this point - I'm considering a GE S4 with an Obex, but a new phone has been moved to the back burner for now: the possibility of buying a house is priority no. 1 at the moment. I'm leaving my pledge for the bootloader, because I believe in the concept - unlocked bootloaders help us all by driving the dev community - but a workaround really isn't the same to me.
I hope that doesn't come off as sophistry, but either way, I'm not in for this one.
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Just keep me posted, my donation is good for either solution... or both (I'll pay twice if someone goes on to unlock the actual bootloader, as well).
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Same here
Put in for $20
If it turns out that Hashcode accepts and does require an S4 Active in order to port the Safe Strap I will be happy to pledge some funds towards the cause. If Hashcode doesn't need the Active though I will increase my pledge on the original boot-loader bounty.
Please [email protected] me when we find out if Hashcode decides to attempt the port and if he needs an Active in order to do so. Thanks! @joshuadjohnson22
"Groping Magicians got me down."
~ Galaxy S4 hActive
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As you can see from this post Obsidian... said he will talk to hash about accepting a S4 Active to get his safe strap working. This will allow us to flash roms and multiboot different roms from our active(for more information on how this will work please go to this forum). He is currently working for this for the VZ S4 and seems to be making progress. If he is successful he will consider accepting an active to do the same. It would be cool to get him a Active so he can bug test and help us out. This will really boost the development for our device.... I write this to ask if you guys are willing to join with me to raise money for his Active. We already have $675 towards a unlocked bootloader, this will give us most if not all the same features and will probably only cost us $400-$500. I hate to do this but below I will @ all the pledge members for the bootloader because some of them said they don't normally check the forums:
Pledges:
joshuadjohnson22 $10
texassax $10
JEZZEJAMEZ $20
my-blue-snog-box $10
paleh0rse $10
skeppley $20
Total = $80
Goal = $530
(this goal is based off of resent eBay auctions, if the phone costs less than the amount raised then the highest pledge amount will be reduced. Example if the highest pledge is $100 USD and we were $20 over... we would only ask for $80)
If someone wants to donate his phone to hash we can give you the pledge if needed
@yankeesfan714
@sc0tty8
@daugh016
@Rattles
@stephensonbrady
@kirkgrier
@taaeng
@Zmetta
@yoondroid
@mnasledov
@freddiemercury1
@dave5777
@Deliximus
@_MetalHead_
@amerikian
@bubba9004
@daledenton
I'm in for $10 (only because money is tight and I want to remain married) If I can add more I will. Mods if @'ing this many people is against the rules let me know.
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How does a donation work? If I donate my device, do I eventually get it back? Or is it truly a donation?
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How does a donation work? If I donate my device, do I eventually get it back? Or is it truly a donation?
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Depends on what Hash wants to do. The donation I was referring to in the post was to give him your phone and collect the bounty (Like selling you phone). But he may just want to borrow one of our devices or work with one of us *cough moose*
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I'm in for $10. Lets get this going or it will be the Nexus 5 for me...
daugh016 said:
I'm in for $10. Lets get this going or it will be the Nexus 5 for me...
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Well a few things with this comment:
1. If the Nexus 5 has US LTE and keeps the same price point but starts with 16 GB I'm sure it will temp many of us...
2. I am sure we will have something by the end of the year/beginning of next year (that is when the Nexus 5 is projected to be released)
3. thanks for your pledge, it has been updated
Money's getting tight here too but I'll throw down $40. It's totally worth being able to run alternate ROMs on this thing. It's too bad ATT did something exclusive with Samsung for this phone because it's really great.
thatbigmoose said:
I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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@thatbigmoose have you tried the proof of concept for our phone yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45310586&postcount=217 I figure you will be the best one out of us to mess with it...
I just tried it. Can confirm that I was able to load the SS recovery, but didn't try anything else.
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I saw the root thread is getting clogged down with arguments over the cost to benefit ratio involved with the Turbo root.
So is it worth it? What works and what doesn't? Post your thoughts.
I know several people that root for the sole purpose of having WiFi tether, for those I would think that it is worth it!
But has the wifi tether been achieved yet? I've heard that many are having difficulties.
I think it's also worth nothing that Sunshine has full root and unlocked bootloader for 25$. Now, a small $5 is the difference between full root and unlocked bootloader and write protected half-root system. Admittedly, I am not familiar with having root on a write protected system since I have never owned a system that has this. What I do know is that I have no idea how to edit a system image, nor do I feel any obligation to pay $20 to read a tutorial on how to download a linux VM and waste hours of my life failing at editing system files in hopes that I can achieve what I want to achieve. Perhaps to those more experienced with editing major files like that, the $20 is worth it, but I think for the average android user who appreciates root it may not be.
Basketballhero75 said:
I think it's also worth nothing that Sunshine has full root and unlocked bootloader for 25$. Now, a small $5 is the difference between full root and unlocked bootloader and write protected half-root system.
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Sounds to me like Sunshine is underpriced then, lol! Hey @jcase, looks like you should charge more.
JulesJam said:
Sounds to me like Sunshine is underpriced then, lol! Hey @jcase, looks like you should charge more.
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I support what they are doing and the price they charge.
It's not comparable to sunshine, as they are entirely different products. SunShine's goal is just unlock, the included TempRoot is only there to make it work on phones without root.
I will repost my thoughts that I put in the initial release thread for mofo, and thanks to the OP here for creating a discussion thread, I hate being "that guy" who posts off topic. I rarely see anything on the internet that inspires me to bother writing an opinion, but this topic really struck a chord with me.
Personally, I don't fundamentally think it's wrong to charge for root, despite it being historically developed and distributed for free. That being said, one of the things that has made the android dev community amazing is its dedication to opening the abilities of software and hardware for everyone. This core concept of community development and participation is what has helped shape sites like XDA. Once we start the trend of putting a price tag on it, it starts to get a bit apple smelling in here.
For myself, root by itself, not an unlocked bootloader, on a device that’s about to get an OS upgrade is not worth 20$.That price tag is very broken and again sets a bad example. I REALLY DO empathize and sympathize with hard working devs wanting to get some funds back for their time, but the only 0 day exploit being used here is the price tag for this.
Cheers!
I imagine most of us spend $20 over the course of a month on little extras.. a candy bar, fast food lunch, or bar night with friends... etc
So if you sacrifice those little extras for one month to have root on a device that is basically on your body 24/7, to me, is an easy justification to make.
Coming from rooted phones I had no idea how borked an ad-filled android experience is. Being able to use my phone without any visual intrusions is well worth it.
Also coming from 5.0 on an M8, I really don't mind staying with 4.4.4 if the 5.1 update kills the mofo process. Worse case, Im stuck with root on 4.4.4 until my edge up next March and start this process all over again
YES. You can flash an edited image I don't get why people are complaining about this so much it opens a door that allows for mostly anything you could ask for. Edit Image and reflash with what they want.
I have no problem in principle with charging for root. There's nothing at all wrong with a developer expecting compensation for something that (1) requires a specialized skill set that that developer has and (2) clearly required a great deal of that developer's time. Why should I expect them to give me that for free? It would certainly be nice if they did, but it's not something that's owed to me.
That said, I somewhat regret having paid for this. It's fundamentally different from what most users mean when they refer to "root." Apps that advertise themselves as "root apps" almost uniformly contemplate being able to write to /system on the fly, and the lack of an ability to do so means that my phone—while technically rooted—lacks some pretty basic root functionality.
I would have no problem paying $20 or more for what I'll call "true-root". I'm not a technical guy, so doing all the stuff that's required to basically flash a new image is not something I'm willing to do. In addition, you still have write-protection that's not possible or not easily possible to currently circumvent. When I rooted my Droid Razr Maxx (the 1st and only phone I ever rooted), I basically connected to the phone to my laptop, ran a . bat file and sat back and waited. The end result was a fully rooted phone. There was no questions or concerns about what could or could not run. If the app in question required root, then you knew it would safely work.
Don't get me wrong. I believe this will open the door for more possibilities with the Turbo. I can certainly appreciate the time and effort from all involved to get this to where it is. That being said, for me and me only, I will not be implementing this, as it stands today. That would be my stance even if it was being offered at no cost.
The only reasons I ever rooted my Razr Maxx was to get WiFi Hotspot and Titanium Backup working, so the lack of root for me is an inconvenience, not the end of the world.
The issue is that most members here are used to a certain experience, and then when that experience is different they will complain. When they have to pay for that different experience, they complain more. I personally feel like this is 100% worth $20, especially since it is a license for the program. I'm sure that this will open up a lot of doors for this device soon.
If you read this post and on, it looks like we kind of already do have WP off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691280
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I can appreciate that view on the subject. It's still not going to be for everyone.
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I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
LifeAsADroid said:
I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
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I understand your points.
I had no problem paying for it. I have used free root exploits many times in the past. I tried to donate for most of them (but haven't always) so I see no problem with kicking some money to the dev for his work.
As for those complaining about not getting free root or "half-root". You've gone 5+ months without ANY root. You are free to go along your merry way and ignore this root. At this point it shouldn't make a difference in your life. You should have done some research when you bought your phone. Historically, Moto phones have been difficult to root/unlock. I'm sure you had other choices at your time of purchase. If root meant that much to you, you should have got the M8 or some other phone with "full root".
As far as "half-root", I understand where people are coming from, but it still gives us root functionality, even if we dont have system write ability. For instance, I am now able to run ARU-R and Greenify in root mode. This alone was worth the price for me. Others have had success w/ Ti backup which is also great. My next step is to start testing some of the advanced Tasker functions, but I dont see why they shouldnt work with this "half-root". So far it does most of everything I needed it for so you'll see no complaints from me.
People need to understand that this is a huge step forward from where we were just a week or 2 ago. And appreciate that maiko1 didnt have to spend his time finding and developing an exploit for us, let alone release it in a nicely packaged tool. Whether you thing WP root is worth $20 is going to vary based on individual needs. Why not instead just be greatful we've come this far and if you want to save your $20 then just keep holding out for whatever else this may open down the road.
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I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
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I agree with this approach but your earlier comments were attacking people who didn't object to paying for root out of principal but basically object to paying for what's available right now, as it doesn't give them what they're looking for.
I haven't paid for MOFO yet because it doesn't give me what I'm looking for, which is the ability to install, update and change xposed packages, adaway, etc without having to build and flash a new image every time. I don't have the skills OR the time to do that. I'll be more than happy to pay the $25 I pledged in the root bounty thread if I can get a solution that works for ME.
Like I said, I'm all for devs getting paid to do this, and to be honest, when I read the post about MOFO (before I knew exactly how it worked and what the limitations were), I was relieved that they built the payment mechanism into the solution instead of having to PM hundreds of users and ask for their bounty pledge or for donations on the forum. Moreover, I have a lot of appreciation and respect to people who do these things, whether they charge for it or not. I get all sweaty every time I flash a new ROM, I can't even imagine how much work it is to find these exploits and explore using them for our advantage. It's just that this solution isn't for everyone, at least the way it is now.
Here is how I see it. Maiko1 made a product. This product does exactly what it is designed and advertised to do. Unfortunately, it’s not quite what I’m looking for. If I’m looking for a new car, and I want a car with a sun roof, and someone offers to sell me a car without a sun roof, well, I can decide whether I want to forego that feature and buy that car, or hold off in the hopes that a car with a sunroof will become available. No offense to the dude who made the car without a sunroof at all. I appreciate all the work he put in. It’s just not what I’m looking for. Now, if someone comes along and figures out a way to add a sunroof to the car (adaway, greenify, etc.), I may reconsider and purchase it. But as of now, I don’t really see how those root apps will function without WP off. Don’t they need to be able to write things to the system partition to function properly? I could be wrong on that and if so someone please explain how these root apps will work with the current root option. Just my 2 cents.
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I had no problem paying for it. I have used free root exploits many times in the past. I tried to donate for most of them (but haven't always) so I see no problem with kicking some money to the dev for his work.
As for those complaining about not getting free root or "half-root". You've gone 5+ months without ANY root. You are free to go along your merry way and ignore this root. At this point it shouldn't make a difference in your life. You should have done some research when you bought your phone. Historically, Moto phones have been difficult to root/unlock. I'm sure you had other choices at your time of purchase. If root meant that much to you, you should have got the M8 or some other phone with "full root".
As far as "half-root", I understand where people are coming from, but it still gives us root functionality, even if we dont have system write ability. For instance, I am now able to run ARU-R and Greenify in root mode. This alone was worth the price for me. Others have had success w/ Ti backup which is also great. My next step is to start testing some of the advanced Tasker functions, but I dont see why they shouldnt work with this "half-root". So far it does most of everything I needed it for so you'll see no complaints from me.
People need to understand that this is a huge step forward from where we were just a week or 2 ago. And appreciate that maiko1 didnt have to spend his time finding and developing an exploit for us, let alone release it in a nicely packaged tool. Whether you thing WP root is worth $20 is going to vary based on individual needs. Why not instead just be greatful we've come this far and if you want to save your $20 then just keep holding out for whatever else this may open down the road.
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Perhaps my situation is a little different than most:
I purchased my first droid turbo the morning it came out at my local Verizon store from a friend who had an extra upgrade. I paid a little over $300 for it after taxes. The phone was great, the processor was powerful, and the battery was superb (although not quite 48 hours with my use). As an unlimited data user on Verizon, the lack of tethering for free got to me, and I decided to sell the 64GB beauty for a sound 550$ to pull in a nice little profit.
Fast forward a couple months:
Scanning the droid forums every now and then, I found a post that stated that root was being explored on the turbo. Many android news websites started reporting it and I was beginning to hate my M7 because of it's consistently inconsistent battery life. So what did I do? On March 22nd, I purchased another Turbo for $450; only because I knew it was getting root. And wouldn't luck have it, that the phone arrived in my mailbox yesterday afternoon just hours before the root method was released.
So I am technically INCLINED, but I would not consider myself technically knowledgeable or resilient in regards to system images. With that being said, I don't really trust myself to futz around with my brand spanking new droid turbo since I have no idea what I would do if something goes wrong. (Murphy's Law) I purchased a phone under the notion of "Root is coming to the Turbo!"; which it did! This is 100% undoubtedly a sufficient method of obtaining root. It just wasn't all that I was expecting; and I do have a bad taste left in my mouth only because I purchased this phone thinking I would be getting what I consider to be "full root".
Now,
Am I blaming the developer in ANY way? Absolutely not. His work is fully appreciated on my end.
Do I think this is a huge step for the Turbo development community? Of course!
Will this root method and usage be worth $20 for some people, but not for others? Yes.
Would I recommend this specific root method to any of my friends here at home? Unfortunately, no.
Look, if a dev wants to collect on their work, then by god let them do it! If I poured my time into an exploit such as this, you can be damn sure that I would ask for some capital in return. But would I charge $20? I honestly don't think I would.
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Correction: my feeling is "here is the best method available as of now. Meet the dev half way and do some very basic, very minor work if you want this function so bad. Dev brought you 90% of the way there, you do the rest because the dev doesn't have your phone in his hands."
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Here's the thing - why go 90% there, and not 100%? There's a technical reason for that, obviously, and if a talented developer like the one that created Mofo can't do it (or doesn't think it's worth the time), a hack, weekend-warrior tinkerer like myself certainly can't. Not without putting in many hours to educate myself on all the inner workings of Android, and most guys who want to root probably can't really devote that kind of time and/or resources to it.
Are you saying that you're not the slightest bit disappointed that this isn't an easy, plug-n-chug solution?
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If you read this post and on, it looks like we kind of already do have WP off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691280
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Unfortunately, if you read on, you'll see it was only temporary, makes everything unstable, and doesn't survive reboot.
If WP off was as simple as downloading an app from the Play store, I'm thinking the developer could have figured out how to do it and integrate it into Mofo.
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Here's the thing - why go 90% there, and not 100%? There's a technical reason for that, obviously, and if a talented developer like the one that created Mofo can't do it (or doesn't think it's worth the time), a hack, weekend-warrior tinkerer like myself certainly can't. Not without putting in many hours to educate myself on all the inner workings of Android, and most guys who want to root probably can't really devote that kind of time and/or resources to it.
Are you saying that you're not the slightest bit disappointed that this isn't an easy, plug-n-chug solution?
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Unfortunately, if you read on, you'll see it was only temporary, makes everything unstable, and doesn't survive reboot.
If WP off was as simple as downloading an app from the Play store, I'm thinking the developer could have figured out how to do it and integrate it into Mofo.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691816
It does survive soft reboot. So we can install xposed, and update SU binaries. It automates mounting as R/W after the kernel. So this looks like a solution.
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