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I appreciate that this is OT but I think that the more we hear about the iPhone the happier we will be with WM6. The latest news is that it will open Word and Excel attachments! More. OMG!!!!
We can all appreciate an off-topic post. Just be sure to always post in the appropriate forum. Thanks!
I would seriously buy the iPhone if I had the money and lived in the US.
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We can all appreciate an off-topic post. Just be sure to always post in the appropriate forum. Thanks!
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HAHAHAHA -- your avatar, man. I wonder if there are even 4 people on this entire forum who know what it's from.
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I appreciate that this is OT but I think that the more we hear about the iPhone the happier we will be with WM6. The latest news is that it will open Word and Excel attachments! More. OMG!!!!
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I would be ecstatically happy with WM6 if someone would just come up with a fingertip interface for it that was consistent.
What there needs to be is a new line of WM6 (or WM7, I guess) that supports the current pen-oriented UI as well as a new, sensible touch-oriented UI. I got really excited about the iPhone when I heard about it, as I am a Mac user, but then became profoundly disappointed when I found out that there would be no SDK. As WM developers, we can write just about anything we want for our phones, but iPhone users are restricted to only what Steve Jobs thinks they should be allowed to do. It's incredibly frustrating.
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that was around me era of being a kid... im a bit suspicious that mike knows what its from considering his a really really really old guy
oh... and BOO iphone... piece of junk... thats my .02
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thats ok.. if he wants to waste $600 USD on a 3 maybe 4 year old technology then thats his choice shogunmark
just because it has a pretty screen doesnt put it even close up against the Hermes, Trinity etc...
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thats ok.. if he wants to waste $600 USD on a 3 maybe 4 year old technology then thats his choice shogunmark
just because it has a pretty screen doesnt put it even close up against the Hermes, Trinity etc...
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The HTC Smartphones are hardly cutting edge. 624MHz Xscale? Helloooo, 2004.
We use good products with HTC. The iPhone will be good for a lot of people too; it's not the age of technology, but how it is implemented that counts. I bet the iPhone's camera isn't laggy like the one on my Athena, and it crashes less than my Universal, and doesn't have call/end buttons right under where your fingers are.
There's more to a successful product than just "technology". iPhone isn't for me, I want power and can live with the glitches of WM and HTC devices. There's room in the market for iPhones and Smartphones, and Apple will have done a good job with the user interface and overall usability of the device.
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The HTC Smartphones are hardly cutting edge. 624MHz Xscale? Helloooo, 2004.
We use good products with HTC. The iPhone will be good for a lot of people too; it's not the age of technology, but how it is implemented that counts. I bet the iPhone's camera isn't laggy like the one on my Athena, and it crashes less than my Universal, and doesn't have call/end buttons right under where your fingers are.
There's more to a successful product than just "technology". iPhone isn't for me, I want power and can live with the glitches of WM and HTC devices. There's room in the market for iPhones and Smartphones, and Apple will have done a good job with the user interface and overall usability of the device.
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The difference between a WM device and the iPhone is that you can do pretty much whatever you want with a WM device. With the iPhone you are restricted to what Steve tells you you want.
I have a feeling it's going to stay this way, too. Look at the iPod. Years later the best thing you can do with it is buy games from iTunes.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Look at the iPod. Years later the best thing you can do with it is buy games from iTunes.
I hope I'm wrong.
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You are.
I mean, just above, you are.
It's an iPod. A portable music player. The best thing you can do with it is play music; which it does very well. Better than any Creative or Sandisk devices I've used, better than every alternative I've tried. The iPod + iTunes combination works a LOT better for organising and accessing your music. I don't care if you can't make it make the tea and access GPS whilst it repairs your car. It is exceptionally good at what it is supposed to do.
Of course, bashing the iPod, or slagging off the as yet unreleased iPhone, is really cool and against the grain. Really helps to understand what you're being negative about, though.
See, I don't think the tech matters one bit, either to the fans or detractors.
The fans expect the iPhone to work brilliantly at being a phone and music player.
The detractors wouldn't care if it had 3.5G, 80GB and cost $5. They just don't like - for whatever reason - seeing Apple (and to be fair, pretty much anyone) be a success.
Go figure. I use and advocate WM devices. I use and advocate iPod. I use Macs and have done for 23 years. I also use Windows, and was quite a fan of Windows 2000 when it came out (and before OS X showed up).
Best tool for the job. Don't care WHO makes it. Apple make some very good stuff, which is why they have a loyal folllowing. Yes, people will buy iPhone because of he hype, but I bet it turns out to be a well designed, functional phone. It'll also be vastly more interesting when it becomes iPhone version 3.
Its not windows users that started the bad mouthing. When Jobs says the open platform of windows is unstable and could bring a network down he is starting it. WM is not unstable. I use it constantly with no problems. There is no way to bring down a phone network with a WM device. The network just plain will not let bad info through. I have tried to mess with everything possible on a wm device connecting to a phone network and it is just not possible to adversely effect it.
People who claim that wm is unstable are the same people installing home made apps of sites like this or downloading cracked software from bittorrent. I have no problem with those things but you get what you pay for.
I also must be heavily anti iphone because I am a developer. Jobs has refused developers access to the iphone. Remember that apple was the company that made developers pay for the privilege to program for the original pda, the Newton. Microsoft let us do it for nothing. Apple is anti me.
I hope the iphone is a failure and it sinks apple or they choose to open it, either way is ok with me.
Your argument about the ipod is less than convincing. This is a world of convergence - life made easier by having everything in one place. If I go by your rational I will need to go back to the days of carrying a separate phone, pda and gps. Apple know that the days of single use devices are comming to an end or they would not be taking this gamble. Its also probably the reason no further development in new video ipods has been seen.
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Its not windows users that started the bad mouthing. When Jobs says the open platform of windows is unstable and could bring a network down he is starting it.
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What is this, Kindergarten? "He started it!". WM as an open platform IS unstable. Look at the amount of trouble people have with it. Look at the number of newbie posts on here saying they've messed up their handsets. It all depends on your value of "stable".
MS/HTC has absolutely no control over what people put on their handsets. It's great. I love it. I also regularly try apps which utterly break the handset, sometimes ones which SHOULD work, because of the variations in the hardware.
"Could bring a network down" - without context, I can neither agree nor disagree. Supporting the newbies with buggy software, sure. Technology wise? Bollocks. WM devices may be variable "phones", but they do work most of the time.
WM is not unstable. I use it constantly with no problems. There is no way to bring down a phone network with a WM device. The network just plain will not let bad info through. I have tried to mess with everything possible on a wm device connecting to a phone network and it is just not possible to adversely effect it.
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In that context I agree with you.
People who claim that wm is unstable are the same people installing home made apps of sites like this or downloading cracked software from bittorrent. I have no problem with those things but you get what you pay for.
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Or buying CorePlayer and finding it doesn't work correctly, or buying games from the online Handago store and finding they don't handle screen rotation correctly, or buying MS Voice Commander and finding it doesn't correctly replace the phone's own voice tagging applications...
Third party software doesn't have to be "dodgy" to break the handset. Cracked copies of software are frequently fine, likewise, legitimate software can be buggy. It's the fact that the range and variety of devices makes destructive testing near impossible.
Ever used a Palm? Even though the Palm's original OS was small and almost "single platform", I had to reset my Tungsten C constantly, and the Vx I had before that. Inevitably due to third party apps.
Now. I personally WANT the apps. I don't mind rebooting my phone, or having to uninstall something, or make two copies because TomTom can't see voices on the SD card but is slow on Microdrive. I don't mind this, I'm fairly used to it, I like to experiment.
Do I think it's a good user experience. HELL no.
I also must be heavily anti iphone because I am a developer. Jobs has refused developers access to the iphone. Remember that apple was the company that made developers pay for the privilege to program for the original pda, the Newton. Microsoft let us do it for nothing. Apple is anti me.
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Newton failed. And I can hardly call Visual Studio and the CE development kits "free". Trial versions exist, but in a time-limited form.
I hope the iphone is a failure and it sinks apple or they choose to open it, either way is ok with me.
Your argument about the ipod is less than convincing. This is a world of convergence - life made easier by having everything in one place.
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Fine. Make me an Ameo which works reliably, has phone-like battery life, an 80GB HD so it has the capacity of my iPod, is small enough to clip on my shirt like a shuffle, has a 5" screen for watching movies on...
Convergence makes sense to a degree. Devices which do it all are compromised. iPod is an EXCELLENT music player and organiser. I don't want it to be anything else. I don't like the way WM handles files on the Ameo, or any of the alternatives; iTunes is very good at what it does. If my Ameo worked with iTunes - iTunes for Pocket PC, with sync from my desktop library - then I'd perhaps be happier with it. But basically no convergence device does everything well.
Apple will get phone calling and WiFi right. Missing out 3G is stupid and short sighted for a web-phone. But the user interface and build quality will be very suited for the real world applications of the device.
If I go by your rational I will need to go back to the days of carrying a separate phone, pda and gps. Apple know that the days of single use devices are comming to an end or they would not be taking this gamble. Its also probably the reason no further development in new video ipods has been seen.
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Two devices together works well for me. I personally like to see music separate - give me phone/PDA with GPS functions, or GPS/Music together. Phone and PDA functions blur anyway. PDA=contacts, appointments - big ol' Filofax. It's natural to link these.
As for third-party apps on the iPhone, I'm ambivalent. If Apple get it right, it won't need any to speak of. The technology isn't interesting enough to push. I'm more interested in what appears - to all intents and purposes - to be OS X on an ARM device.
An OS X PDA would kick arse, IMO. But then you WOULD need third party apps. OS X on Ameo-like hardware? Bring it on.
About that $950 iPhone. You didn't accept or decline my wager. Chicken? Not so confident that the $950 price is correct?
I've been a Windows developer since 1999 - so I hate Apple (bad developer support, proprietary, apart from osx..) and I will naturally hate the iphone. However the iphone is good for the whole mobiles scene. Shakes it up a bit. All the stuff is gimmicky and fairly useless (examples 1. flipping through 100 albums with your fingers? 2. Drag to unlock that needs two hands, 3. the icons on the today screen showing "you have 2 appointments" ..errr.. when? The screen that will obviously break at the slightest contact with the ground - too close to the edge). The list is really endless. The thing I love best is the keyboard they show to type text messages with - its far too small to use with fingers!! Get a stylus dudes!
iphone is a device for current macintosh customers. In which case they'll sell quite a few! I'm looking forward to seeing one in the flesh and slagging it off, as any self-respecting apple-hater should do!
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I've been a Windows developer since 1999 - so I hate Apple (bad developer support, proprietary, apart from osx..)
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Rapidly increasing market share, opinion formed in 1999 based on Diesel's legacy of frankly outmoded hardware and an operating system that made Windows ME look stable, proprietary "Intel" hardware, OS X /is/ Apple as far as development are concerned, very good developer support now via ADC, tools included with every OS X installation...
The first sign of intelligence is evolution. Sure, feel free to hate Apple (hating a corporation is very smart, after all), but try and do so for the right reasons, before you cut off a large market for your products.
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WM as an open platform IS unstable. Look at the amount of trouble people have with it. Look at the number of newbie posts on here saying they've messed up their handsets. It all depends on your value of "stable".
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Sorry, but I've got to take exception at that statement. To me it reads:-
"windows is an unstable os because - people muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand"
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"the iPhone will have good os because - people can't muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand, because apple won't let them"
If MS made their ppcs so that the consumers couldn't add programs to it, your argument wouldn't exist.
and how many users (not including people working for the same company) use the exact same setup?
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Sorry, but I've got to take exception at that statement. To me it reads:-
"windows is an unstable os because - people muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand"
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"the iPhone will have good os because - people can't muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand, because apple won't let them"
If MS made their ppcs so that the consumers couldn't add programs to it, your argument wouldn't exist.
and how many users (not including people working for the same company) use the exact same setup?
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iPhone will not be so locked down that it cannot be personalised. However, you are misinterpreting and misquoting what I said. I don't know how stable the iPhone OS is, and I'm not referring to the stability of the OS.
I'm referring to the stability of the user experience.
Now, my gut feeling (based on the quality of the phone applications in the HTC devices I've used compared to Symbian, SE and Motorola devices) is that in look and feel, user experience and reliability, beating WM would be like shooting fish in a barrel. It works, sure, but it is not pretty, it is not consistent, and it is not reliable. Just witness the caller ID mess on Bluetooth. This isn't a "WM is crap WHAAA" post, it's just an objective observation; you will note that I USE A WM5 AND WM6 DEVICE. By choice. I am aware of the options, and of course I'd like things to be better, but it does the job and the hardware offers a lot of advantages.
Now, if you're really interpreting it the way you say you are, then I suggest you read more closely. I thoroughly expect people to skim the post, see "iPhone good, WM bad", and respond - even though I simply being objective and acknowledging the faults and benefits of BOTH platforms. iPhone is going to succeed, and it's going to do that largely on hype and marketing, but that's not to say that Apple won't have got some things right, because that's what they do. They didn't come to dominate the music player market by producing a product which had all the flaws of the competition with none of the benefits; they polished it and got it right.
HTC make lovely hardware. It runs alright with WM. Give it a better OS and it would be amazing. Is there really any logical reason why the camera on the Ameo is so woefully slow? The call/end buttons on the Universal are positioned RIGHT where your fingers rest if you use it as a phone and have no distinquishing features when not lit? These devices do not have the depth and quality of industrial design that Apple employs in their consumer devices.
What trade do people want to make? Do they want their music library dragged together by Windows Media, including the ringtones it finds on the HD, or do they want iTunes "plug and play" simplicity (and if anyone wants to slag off iTunes, trust me - I have heard all the criticisms before. The ones I'll accept are that it's a bit slow with large libraries, and it doesn't handle a wide range of codecs by default - I've used every device from Archos to Zen and nothing touches an iPod for sheer intuitive behaviour, or iTunes for genuinely maintaining an organised, logical music library).
I will never use itunes because when on it communicates over the internet even if I set it not to. A lot of apps do this of course but with itunes the connectivity is needed so blocking it is not an option. I need to trust that my system is working for me and not apple. If that same problem was on the iphone then because you can't write a firewall for it your privacy is gone.
My employer has over 10000 wm devices and they operate for weeks at a time with no resetting. They get software updates remotely and are mainly used by non technical users. I personaly use these to work with and I have not been able to crash one. We drop them and get them dirty but still they run. Is that unstable.
I would not gamble with you because you seem like a nut to me and I would not want to exchange details with you.
(This post was done using the real keyboard , from a park bench, over 3g, on my dopod 838 pro. Something I will never be able to do with an iphone!)
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I will never use itunes because when on it communicates over the internet even if I set it not to. A lot of apps do this of course but with itunes the connectivity is needed so blocking it is not an option. I need to trust that my system is working for me and not apple. If that same problem was on the iphone then because you can't write a firewall for it your privacy is gone.
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What absolute, total, drivel. My son uses iTunes on his iMac, has no internet connection whatsoever, and it works perfectly. He can rip CDs, but has to type the track/artist detail in unless it is included (which is very rare), can sync the iPod, etc. He's been doing this for nearly 2 years.
My employer has over 10000 wm devices and they operate for weeks at a time with no resetting. They get software updates remotely and are mainly used by non technical users. I personaly use these to work with and I have not been able to crash one. We drop them and get them dirty but still they run. Is that unstable.
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I'm fully aware that these things are stable. Again, I'm talking about end-user experience. Employers with 10,000 identical devices (I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say "courier services" or "retail" - something along the lines of Intermec handheld data terminals) will generally have specified the software set on the device, it will be limited, and it will be predictable and tested.
I would not gamble with you because you seem like a nut to me and I would not want to exchange details with you.
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*snorts* Whatever. I like to talk about this stuff seriously, I've been using mobile devices of one form or another since the Tandy 102. You interpret me writing so much about it as being a nut? I interpret it as being the reason I'm paid to review hardware professionally. (I'll post pictures of my latest toys soon, one of them will be very interesting I think).
(This post was done using the real keyboard , from a park bench, over 3g, on my dopod 838 pro. Something I will never be able to do with an iphone!)
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Good for you. Now listen to 7.34GB of music on it for 24 hours without having to recharge. I was posting to Usenet in 1998 from an HP 680LX connected with an Option One GSM datacard; I could make calls on it if I used the wired headset. It's hardly new technology in any sense of the word - each device is merely refining and targeting a specific user base.
This is what you seem to be failing to grasp. iPhone is not inherently bad. It's just not what YOU want. It's not even that expensive; an unsubsidised N73 costs... $500. And it doesn't do many consumer level things that the iPhone does, despite being targeted at that very market.
I may be a nut, but at least I know WTF I'm talking about and don't have an irrational hatred of one company
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It's an iPod. A portable music player. The best thing you can do with it is play music; which it does very well.
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Yes, and the line from iPhone fans about the iPhone is "it's a phone, iPod and breakthrough internet device. The best thing you can do with it make phone calls, play music and use Safari, which it does very well." This is not sufficient for me, for starters. And Steve's explanation of his "sweet solution" for developing "applications" for the iPhone was a joke and an insult to developers.
Apple is telling its customers to pay $500 for a UI. My TYTN can already do everything the iPhone can do, sans the flashy UI, plus MORE -- UMTS/HSDPA, for starters. It can also run any particular binaries you choose to run on it.
Of course, bashing the iPod, or slagging off the as yet unreleased iPhone, is really cool and against the grain. Really helps to understand what you're being negative about, though.
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You think you've got me pegged, but you don't. I am typing this post on my Macbook Pro. For the most part, I love Apple and what they've done with computing. But Steve is taking the company in this "closed device" direction that really, really turns me off. When we were told OS X was essentially UNIX with an Apple GUI, as a geek I got really, really excited, and when I finally got my Mac, Tiger did NOT let me down.
OS X is an excellent example of how the Apple way has, for the last 7 years, been to cater both to nontechnical users and heavily technical users alike. This is what I was expecting from an Apple cell phone. I was, essentially, expecting an OS X PDA phone. This is not AT ALL what we are getting. You can't even cut and paste, ffs!
See, I don't think the tech matters one bit, either to the fans or detractors.
The fans expect the iPhone to work brilliantly at being a phone and music player.
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I'm sure they do. And it will. And all of the enormous hardware potential of the iPhone will be utterly wasted.
The detractors wouldn't care if it had 3.5G, 80GB and cost $5. They just don't like - for whatever reason - seeing Apple (and to be fair, pretty much anyone) be a success.
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Again, you've got me wrong. I don't care about any of that. I would gladly pay $699 for an iPhone that was actually released with an SDK. Why? I want my Terminal. I want my Adium (or something like it). I want ssh, VNC, VLC, Skype, the GNU toolset, and anything else I want, because there is simply no compelling reason to disallow any of it. The only reason any of this is not possible is Apple's incredibly restrictive software, and the only reason Apple's software restrictions exist is AT&T's greed.
I think the iPhone will be enormously successful, but I have serious doubts Apple will ever meet my needs for a smartphone (or the needs of many, many other potential customers out there).
I call you a nut because you are trying to bet me 50 dollars over the details of an unreleased gadget and because you are so emotionally tied to the idea of the iphone that you can't stop.
I was happy to wait and see back on page one but you just can't stop defending a seemingly inferior product that you don't even have.
I don't trust Apple or microsoft. A phone carries a lot of personal information that could be very damaging in the wrong hands. My point about itunes is that with no third party apps, the iphone will not be safe because any program that apple put on it will be free to do what it wants.
Its like Nokia says, "this is what the pc has become". How many people would trust their microsoft onecare more than their norton or other security suit? Now what about trusting security to no one because their won't be any on an iphone. Just look at the 100 plus security bowser problems patched by apple last week. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
The whole discussion is pointless anyway because we do not have one and by next month it will be hacked to run third party apps anyway like apple tv.
I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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Enjoy living in apple's walled playground.
Having an iphone is like being 17, it's awesome but it could be so much better.
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Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p
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Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p
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I disagree, the iphone has amazing hardware and software and the app store is unrivaled. But it's a shame that Apple doesn't allow for a little more freedom.
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I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.
I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.
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I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.
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the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
Apple have to release updates very often , Because its the only one phone apple got , So, they can easily do it but other OEM Cant do for all models
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the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Sure, I'm being a big subjective, but so are you with "boring interface." The iPhone 4 is glass and metal. Premium materials all around in a way nothing compares to. Neutered Bluetooth? I quit caring about Bluetooth the day I got a smartphone. Bluetooth (when not crippled) is great on dumbphones, but seems to me to have little purpose on a smartphone. As for the "antenna fail" - it's mostly myth. People I know with iPhone 4's are getting great reception. You basically just have to avoid touching it on the antenna breaks - which are easy to see and clear to avoid, and they're not in places where MOST people would touch it in the normal use of the phone. The only way you'd really naturally touch them is if you're gripping the phone with your whole hand.
I'm not saying it's perfect, I love the flexibility of Android. I'm just saying - there's some things that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc could learn from Apple on.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
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8 gb internal memory, has a link cable. AT&T had the antenna issue, issue fixed with Verizon version. AT&T network also part to blame on that too. The SD card and USB port are more like features, not actually needed.
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Bluetooth works just fine for communication, and the interface is to each their own. I like it a lot. The apps and games I've seen and used on Ios are a lot more polished than those on Android. For a good reason though, Apple has control over the apps. Android has an open market. Plus, in my opinion the games on ios are way better. I only thing I like in games that android has that doesn't need root, are emulators.
I like both platforms, I wish frash would be more developed for ios. I might be getting on Verizon and getting one, if not probably gonna get the Thunderbolt if the LTE is only $30 and not $50.
u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya
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u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
Apple's guidelines are a different story and it hampers the phone, but as a device, it can go head to head with any current android phone.
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
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in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button
Guys, seriously, what's the point in arguing this stuff. It just screams of jealousy. The iPhone 4 is great hardware. It's very similar inside to a Samsung Galaxy S. The screen is smaller, but higher resolution - different for different needs. The design is very elegant and classy.
The software? Eh, it's fast and looks good at first. I hate the popup in-your-face notifications though, and it's rather repetitive.
The App Store? This is where I really start to hate the iPhone - the "you can't do that because we say so" attitude. This would be fine if sideloading apps was allowed, but it's not. And THAT is my big issue with the iPhone.
But arguing that the hardware isn't very high end is silly. And the one button isn't even to make it simpler, it's not - having physical buttons is easier. It's to make it more minimalist and look nicer. The same reason by the time Apple finally started including multi-button mice with Macs, they did so once the technology was in place to make it look and feel like a one-button mouse. Sure, the one-button mouse was slow and hard to use. But it looked good. The new Apple mice are amazing though - one physical button, but a touch surface that recognizes where you're pushing on the mouse. Likewise with the new Apple trackpads - one GIANT touch surface with no discernable button, but it works great! The old true one-button Apple mice though were a crime against humanity - and there's a reason almost nobody professional actually used the mouse that came with their Mac in those days.
ksizzle9 said:
I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife
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Why? What did she do wrong?
DirkGently1 said:
I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.
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Yes. It definitely is just you. I'm sorry but that's just unfair of you to say that. I most definitely AM A LADY and, I wouldn't be caught dead with an iPOS. Please don't generalize like that again. Oh and as for your little comment about accessories. I CUSTOMIZE my N1 to my hearts content. I am deeply offended by your comments.
I'm not sure where I sent this from.... or how I did it
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in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button
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It's a button that does the same as the home button on any android device. So android can search or go back using physical buttons, there's no inherent difference that those options are built into iphone UI.
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I completely agree; we like to spend more time tinkering with the phone, customizing it to our liking.
I do see a lot more women with iPhones, and the women that i do see with android phones (galaxy s or whatever), use all stock applications and launchers and maybe have Angry Birds on there or something.
Screens too small. I'll have me a nice big android phone any day.
I am currently using a 7 inch gsm/3g tablet as my phone and I love it. fits into my pockets too. zte v9.
Nice hardware. Too small. Like the macbook air.
OMG!! The first ever Best Looking Phone by Nokia is this N9
seriously WOW what a design.
this will really Kick ass of iphone.
want to see more click here
http://swipe.nokia.com/
For demo video click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfE3B6L-Otw
Clich here for WP7 Nokia Phone Full Video please open this site using Google translate
http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/
it looks like a giant ipod nano
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What the hell is MeeGo? Does it even have any apps? Unless Android can be installed on it, its worthless.
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Never heard of Meego? And you're calling yourself a geek/nerd. GTFO!
i think LG Meego handset will come first before this Nokia N9.
But seriously i m amazed by this Design, first time By Nokia.
As we all know How much hype created during N8 this seems far more better than N8
this will decrease Nokia's Falling reputation.
Best of Luck Nokia.
This is getting Pre installed Angrybird, Wifi hotspot, USB on the go, 3.9 inch AMOLED screen
16 gb/ 64 gb version , but why Micro sim support
Full Specification here
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php
Meego is an Open Source Project and some developer has already
ported Meego on Nexus One and other devices with snapdragon processor similar to Nexus one .
Its a dead horse, but nokia tries to ride it...
I have to admit that it looks pretty good, too bad it comes out so late.
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Of course I've heard of meego! But I don't think it has any chance against Android and others... Nokia should have just used android on it's smartphones.
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Agree, but Android won't happen. WP7 on the other hand would be better than MeeGo - much better.
m1l4droid said:
Yeah, WP7 is good. I might even buy a Nokia WP7 when it comes out, just for the lolz...
The problem with Nokia is that it's too stubborn and old fashioned. Good they signed a contract with Microsoft though, at least they have one REAL OS on their smartphones.
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The "REAL OS" part made my day.
TBH, it's a breath of fresh air. Kinda love the pentaband 3G radio in the phone.
For the apps. Now where's that alien Dalvik thing.
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Methinks that I might consider it if it comes in silver, and Android. It's MeeGo, how hard would it be to flash a new ROM?
I guess it'll be pretty easy. But time will tell!
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What the hell is MeeGo? Does it even have any apps? Unless Android can be installed on it, its worthless.
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I completely agree. That was my first thought when watching this video. If it doesn't have an ample amount of apps available to users, it'll go no where even if it is a fantastic phone.
MeeGo doesn't really matter. When the phone comes out, the main question will be "When will somebody put CyanogenMod 7 on it?" Notice I didn't use "how" or even "why". It's a when. And WHEN that floodgate opens... we just might have a bonafide camera phone.
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I completely agree. That was my first thought when watching this video. If it doesn't have an ample amount of apps available to users, it'll go no where even if it is a fantastic phone.
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For apps i think here is the preparation...
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/39841/nokia-n9-might-run-android-apps.html
I had a Nokia N900 for a while. Good phone, really good developer community. It's just a shame that they've stuck so firmly to their own OSs for so long. If they're going to go WP7 that's a step in the right direction but android would win them a lot of good favour.
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I completely agree. That was my first thought when watching this video. If it doesn't have an ample amount of apps available to users, it'll go no where even if it is a fantastic phone.
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IMO it's much easier to write apps for MeeGo than Android. MeeGo uses the cross-platform (read: porting of desktop KDE apps to the mobile has already started) Qt Framework, which has a really nice API (Qt Mobility espacially for smartphones). It's really a joy to use this toolkit. All your developed applications can run on your desktop OS (Linux, Windows, Mac OS) and on your phones and tablets (Android, MeeGo, iOS port is currently developed..).
I'd love to see a port of this OS to some (more) Android phones. I tried to run it under my Desire HD, but I can't get the software rendering to work.
now i think i got the reason to purchase this phone
http://www.gsmarena.com/alien_dalvik_will_let_you_run_android_apps_on_the_nokia_n9-news-2813.php
nos in veins said:
now i think i got the reason to purchase this phone
http://www.gsmarena.com/alien_dalvik_will_let_you_run_android_apps_on_the_nokia_n9-news-2813.php
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Hehe, i love cross-platform frameworks. It's also possible to run application which were developed for MeeGo/Symbian under Android.
intresting UI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZssHGR-Qg&feature=related
Nice, torn between this phone and the Nexus 3 now.
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Small list of problems with Apple.
I don't know if anyone else agrees with me and with this statement but I think Apple software (all of it) is complete and utter crap. I'm also going to include there hardware as well.
SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a *****
2. Market looks very soggy
3. Why is there no app drawer?
4. What in the hell is safari?
5. Although I jailbroke this thing, android still has a better UI.
6. My mouse has only one clicker. This is going to be depressing.
7. Everything in Apple is an idea that everyone has had. Problem is, everyone's idea is better than Apple.
8. Siri, your voice sounds a little horse. Meaning you sound like a horse.
HARWARE
1. My camera sucks
2. I dropped it, must buy new screen
3. My phone is unable to be opened. Why must you censor my phone.
4. I need to replace my camera on computer...have to take whole computer.
noahgb said:
Small list of problems with Apple.
I don't know if anyone else agrees with me and with this statement but I think Apple software (all of it) is complete and utter crap. I'm also going to include there hardware as well.
SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a *****
2. Market looks very soggy
3. Why is there no app drawer?
4. What in the hell is safari?
5. Although I jailbroke this thing, android still has a better UI.
6. My mouse has only one clicker. This is going to be depressing.
7. Everything in Apple is an idea that everyone has had. Problem is, everyone's idea is better than Apple.
8. Siri, your voice sounds a little horse. Meaning you sound like a horse.
HARWARE
1. My camera sucks
2. I dropped it, must buy new screen
3. My phone is unable to be opened. Why must you censor my phone.
4. I need to replace my camera on computer...have to take whole computer.
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SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a ***** Make her your ***** and it'll be better.
2. Market looks very soggy Soggy=simple.
3. Why is there no app drawer? Because Apple went with the 'all icons on home screen' approach. Similar to MIUI
4. What in the hell is safari? It's a web browser, I think it was ranked 2nd best.
sa·fa·ri (s-fär)
n. pl. sa·fa·ris
1. An overland expedition, especially one for hunting or exploring in eastern Africa.
So basically exploring of the internet, not that much different.
5. Although I jailbroke this thing, android still has a better UI.Jailbreaking is like rooting, and you don't need to root to change UI. With JB you can access system files.
6. My mouse has only one clicker. This is going to be depressing. You can make it so you have left and right click, I got used to it pretty fast.
7. Everything in Apple is an idea that everyone has had. Problem is, everyone's idea is better than Apple. Welcome to the world of technology
8. Siri, your voice sounds a little horse. Meaning you sound like a horse. It's a computerized voice, you expect someone to record themselves saying every single word in the dictionary and all of its tenses?
HARDWARE
1. My camera sucks Buy a better one
2. I dropped it, must buy new screen I've cracked screens on HTC devices, screen replacement on apple products is fairly easy.
3. My phone is unable to be opened. Why must you censor my phone. On the iPhone 4, two screws and slide it off and you are good.
4. I need to replace my camera on computer...have to take whole computer. I'm guessing you meant apart? I fix PCs, some laptops are a ***** to get to the webcam, and why are you changing a webcam? Never seen a broken webcam on a laptop.
Stop hating on technology and try to come up with your own product that will make you a billionaire, then we shall talk.
SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a ***** Make her your ***** and it'll be better. Don't objectify her like that, syncing has feelings too
2. Market looks very soggy Soggy=simple. Soggy = Soiled.
3. Why is there no app drawer? Because Apple went with the 'all icons on home screen' approach. Similar to MIUI Apple kanged CM, broke the GPL and refuses to acknowledge serious security flaws which affect every handset their software is installed on???
4. What in the hell is safari? It's a web browser, I think it was ranked 2nd best.
sa·fa·ri (s-fär)
n. pl. sa·fa·ris
1. An overland expedition, especially one for hunting or exploring in eastern Africa.
So basically exploring of the internet, not that much different. Will there be Pokemon??
5. Although I jailbroke this thing, android still has a better UI.Jailbreaking is like rooting, and you don't need to root to change UI. With JB you can access system files. I can haz root?? If it's an apple, shouldnt it be called coring??
6. My mouse has only one clicker. This is going to be depressing. You can make it so you have left and right click, I got used to it pretty fast. Click to the left, click to the right, log onto the internet and sift through all the ****e...
7. Everything in Apple is an idea that everyone has had. Problem is, everyone's idea is better than Apple. Welcome to the world of technology Apple invented everything. We'll see you in court
8. Siri, your voice sounds a little horse. Meaning you sound like a horse. It's a computerized voice, you expect someone to record themselves saying every single word in the dictionary and all of its tenses? Yes!
HARDWARE
1. My camera sucks Buy a better one No money, spent it all on apple products
2. I dropped it, must buy new screen I've cracked screens on HTC devices, screen replacement on apple products is fairly easy. I demand that all glass be completely unbreakable. It's ridiculous in this day and age that we should be expected to actually take care of these expensive devices.
3. My phone is unable to be opened. Why must you censor my phone. two screws and slide it off and you are good. Thats what she said
4. I need to replace my camera on computer...have to take whole computer. I'm guessing you meant apart? I fix PCs, some laptops are a ***** to get to the webcam, and why are you changing a webcam? Never seen a broken webcam on a laptop. You've obviously never seen someone go bat**** crazy at their stoopid apple laptop with only one mouse button and start *****slapping it like a mad, bad computer slapping apple hater...
Damn OT is slow tonight......
I like your response. But there only leave one thing in the way and it's painstaking work.
conantroutman said:
SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a ***** Make her your ***** and it'll be better. Don't objectify her like that, syncing has feelings too
2. Market looks very soggy Soggy=simple. Soggy = Soiled.
3. Why is there no app drawer? Because Apple went with the 'all icons on...
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This is by far the best response.
Why in the world do you have an iPhone in the first place?
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I don't, I just hate looking at other people's Apple products.
You've got to be kidding me.
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noahgb said:
I don't, I just hate looking at other people's Apple products.
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Brilliant I lol'd.....
I am kinda guilty of this too... I see people using an iphone or something and I just feel this wave of contempt... I know its irrational and wrong, I just can't help it
We're bad people.........
I feel most sheep want a simple device, but don't have the balls to just use a truly simple phone these days, like a Nokia. That and, these days, even simple ones can do just about everything you could think of.
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Brilliant I lol'd.....
I am kinda guilty of this too... I see people using an iphone or something and I just feel this wave of contempt... I know its irrational and wrong, I just can't help it
We're bad people.........
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Mr. Troutman. Its only bad if you throw said ipoop device on the ground, and stomp it with the fury of 80000 donkeys. That makes you a bad person!
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
SOFTWARE
1. Syncing is a ***** Make her your ***** and it'll be better. Don't objectify her like that, syncing has feelings too. Just think about that when you stick cables into her.
2. Market looks very soggy Soggy=simple. Soggy = Soiled. Soggy = Noodle
3. Why is there no app drawer? Because Apple went with the 'all icons on home screen' approach. Similar to MIUI Apple kanged CM, broke the GPL and refuses to acknowledge serious security flaws which affect every handset their software is installed on??? wait what? tell me more..
4. What in the hell is safari? It's a web browser, I think it was ranked 2nd best.
sa·fa·ri (s-fär)
n. pl. sa·fa·ris
1. An overland expedition, especially one for hunting or exploring in eastern Africa.
So basically exploring of the internet, not that much different. Will there be Pokemon?? nope just hunting gear.
5. Although I jailbroke this thing, android still has a better UI.Jailbreaking is like rooting, and you don't need to root to change UI. With JB you can access system files. I can haz root?? If it's an apple, shouldnt it be called coring?? Apple vinegar.
6. My mouse has only one clicker. This is going to be depressing. You can make it so you have left and right click, I got used to it pretty fast. Click to the left, click to the right, log onto the internet and sift through all the ****e... i have a mouse it has many buttons.. mostly due to the epic that is a normal gaming desktop system.
7. Everything in Apple is an idea that everyone has had. Problem is, everyone's idea is better than Apple. Welcome to the world of technology Apple invented everything. We'll see you in court and then fail because everyone can see we are full of it.
8. Siri, your voice sounds a little horse. Meaning you sound like a horse. It's a computerized voice, you expect someone to record themselves saying every single word in the dictionary and all of its tenses? Yes! Siri once said "i farted" it was a worth a LOL.
HARDWARE
1. My camera sucks Buy a better one No money, spent it all on apple products , and got the vinegar.
2. I dropped it, must buy new screen I've cracked screens on HTC devices, screen replacement on apple products is fairly easy. I demand that all glass be completely unbreakable. It's ridiculous in this day and age that we should be expected to actually take care of these expensive devices. x10 is a piece of junk.. i dropped it several times however but the gorilla glass didn't break.
3. My phone is unable to be opened. Why must you censor my phone. two screws and slide it off and you are good. Thats what she said oh no he didn't.
4. I need to replace my camera on computer...have to take whole computer. I'm guessing you meant apart? I fix PCs, some laptops are a ***** to get to the webcam, and why are you changing a webcam? Never seen a broken webcam on a laptop. You've obviously never seen someone go bat**** crazy at their stoopid apple laptop with only one mouse button and start *****slapping it like a mad, bad computer slapping apple hater..., i once helped a dude re-assemble a mac.. it was fairly easy.
I just thought the design was cheap... hardware however was good.
Damn OT is slow tonight......
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Damn OT is slow tonight......
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It's WAAAAAAY to slow. :|
conantroutman said:
Brilliant I lol'd.....
I am kinda guilty of this too... I see people using an iphone or something and I just feel this wave of contempt... I know its irrational and wrong, I just can't help it
We're bad people.........
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Oh dear sweet Jesus, there is nothing I hate more than to go to someone's house and see....ugh...Apple computer...ugh.
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Apple makes quality products, they are functional simple, and they have a design appeal to some people (not me, i think their ugly)
That being said i hate how the company conducts business and completely refuse to buy any Apple products
Buying apple says you support SOPA and anti-free market.
The google's speaker use MAC on an event
Then they talked about android
It's called google dev-fest
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agent205 said:
The google's speaker use MAC on an event
Then they talked about android :suprised:
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You expect them to use chromebooks?
BTW, I had one of those at work to fix, and its freaking awesome. I wish I could load OS X or W7 on that thing.
jaszek said:
You expect them to use chromebooks?
BTW, I had one of those at work to fix, and its freaking awesome. I wish I could load OS X or W7 on that thing.
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Chromebook
lol
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bdfull3r said:
Apple makes quality products, they are functional simple, and they have a design appeal to some people (not me, i think their ugly)
That being said i hate how the company conducts business and completely refuse to buy any Apple products
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Sigh.
It helps if you do your research at places other than the apple website. Apple don't make products, they get companies like Foxconn to do it for them, so the quality of apple products is exactly the same as the other brands Foxconn assembles.
Which laptop should i get macbook pro or windows based laptop?
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troll bait?
You get the Apple if you already have an Apple, or are willing to compute the Apple way for some incredible hardware. (Assumption made that putting another OS is not in question)
Otherwise, buy a PC. Find a price range, poke around on Newegg, read reviews, purchase and enjoy.
xyrth said:
troll bait?
You get the Apple if you already have an Apple, or are willing to compute the Apple way for some incredible hardware. (Assumption made that putting another OS is not in question)
Otherwise, buy a PC. Find a price range, poke around on Newegg, read reviews, purchase and enjoy.
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For some funny reason after posting my question i knew i set my self up lol.... But pc it is... Just found one right and im on my way to cop it ... Thanks anyways man
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Go with Windows
Right now windows I'd say is a better choice from my understanding they are gearing to be more Linux compatible as well as apple can also be hard to work with as a company and very expensive where as you can spend less money and get a better machine that runs Windows.
Windows
I would get a Windows machine every single time. Macs are over priced in my opinion. Personally, there are more functions in windows and more programs available for windows.
nadaltennis77 said:
I would get a Windows machine every single time. Macs are over priced in my opinion. Personally, there are more functions in windows and more programs available for windows.
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Seconded. Mac OSX is extremely limited in its capabilities in my opinion in comparison to Windows. Not to mention if you game per se, then you get DirectX Acceleration. Another thing is Windows typically receives the higher amount of Open Source programming right below Linux with Mac OSX in last
http://bit.ly/zM30QX
If you are a graphics designer, get a mac. If not, get windows.
erikoss said:
If you are a graphics designer, get a mac. If not, get windows.
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Actually, that old rule of thumb doesn't work any more. I know a lot of graphic designers and the spread between Mac & Windows is about 50/50.
windows based laptops are so much better value.. so unless you need mac os, don't bother
Each has its own pros and cons. personally id go windows though
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Which laptop should i get macbook pro or windows based laptop?
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MacBook and then put Linux on it
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That one mentioned previously, for sure... but not the other one, its no good
If I had the money, I'd get a Mac and triple boot win + Linux....
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Archer said:
Actually, that old rule of thumb doesn't work any more. I know a lot of graphic designers and the spread between Mac & Windows is about 50/50.
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I have a strong hate for PS CS5 on Mac, its windowless with buttons round the edge , I can't use it at all , how ever CS6 changes that I think
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If iMac was little bit of cheaper, then I'd think of trying Apple products, but sad it just equals to the price that of Macbook Pro.
You're better off building a laptop yourself and installing Linux. Cheapest way
You get more hardware bang for your buck with a PC.
If your a recoding engineer however, as I've been told/forewarned, Pro Tools/Avid had Mac in mind when designing their state of the art/industry standard professional software.
If you like to pay the Apple tax then buy a Apple notebook. If you dont like to pay the Apple tax then just look for a good Asus or other brand.
But avoid Dell, Acer, HP if you can and specially Dell because they dont abide the warranty law of europe.
Acer and HP notebooks have high rate off defects ( Dell as well i believe ). I would just advise Asus
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