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Iphone 4 or nexus still

hey guys
have had my nexus since feb now and never looked back till i seen the iphone 4
i know i know
i hate apple 2 but with all there polished apps and 720p rec and well just the smoothness im wondering if i should take the switch
i live in aust and pretty much no1 knows about the nexus or any even android its weird and there not really in Australian apps for train times or football scores that are any good.. and i have seen apples and there awesome
so after seeing the iphone 4 what you guys think

I'll never buy an iPhone or an Apple product, simply because I dislike how they run things and "assume" for the majority of their user base.
I will readily admit the iPhone4 looks good and will have a stunning display and has loads of apps. However I see the iPhone as a common user phone - not that there's anything wrong with that.
I prefer Android because it gives me the flexibility to customise and manipulate almost everything on it, how I want and in the way I want. Apple does not.
And you can't really compare teh hardware between the two - the iPhone4 is a good piece of kit, no doubt. But keep in mind the NexusOne came out long before it. New hardware and kit comes out every month or so - within a few months there will be phones that greatly surpass the iPhone4's hardware.
It comes down to what YOU want from a phone. I'm happy with Android and will stick with it, having used Symbian and Winmo 6.5 previously. I've used an iPhone - and I don't like the "Apple Experience".
Just my opinion..

I like the customisation and freedom of android, but the iphone 4 is very well polished, I just want to see how the screen does in bright daylight as the N1 is ****...

If you have to ask, I think you're in the wrong place.

720p just came in

Stick to the Nexus one and wait for the Nexus two? probably better hardware and android 3.0

^^if there is a nexus two im deffinatly buying it the nexus one has been the best phone ever and iwont swtich to apple. ever.

Or get a Samsung galaxy s

what is so attractive about the new iphone, why are people all the sudden "should i switch?". Why?! Nothing has changed! They have a new screen, thats cool, multitaking, thats old news but ok, WHAT?! There is nothing enticing in the new iPhone versus the older ones

The big question to ask is this:
Do you LIKE being in shackles?
Or do you like to be FREE?
If you like being in shackles, then I have to ask this next question: Why have you not committed a serious crime in a non-death-penalty jurisdiction to land yourself permanently in prison?
Or have you? Do they let you have cellphones in prison now?

4luk88 said:
hey guys
have had my nexus since feb now and never looked back till i seen the iphone 4
i know i know
i hate apple 2 but with all there polished apps and 720p rec and well just the smoothness im wondering if i should take the switch
i live in aust and pretty much no1 knows about the nexus or any even android its weird and there not really in Australian apps for train times or football scores that are any good.. and i have seen apples and there awesome
so after seeing the iphone 4 what you guys think
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Go for the phone that you feel gives the most of your money. We are consumers and I have learned the hard way that no company really cares about you or your support. Companies like MS, Google and Apple are there to make money. Don't feel obliged to stay with a phone or OS because of moral reasons. If one product gives you better value go for it.
For me, N1 was better value than WinMo and I made the switch. A lot of my work is based on google apps (domain one.. no android) so I get more done with android. But if tomorrow, iPhone does it better, Ii will shift.
You will save a lot or be more happy by throwing away any brand loyalty/hatred.

I'm sticking with whatever phone Cyanogen get's I had the iPhone and realized I hated it because I felt so restricted I mean I won't lie it had great apps and games and a superior media player but I still feel that android is superior just because little features like deleting a song from my phone instead of hooking up to iTunes. After I got rid of my iPhone I got a G1 and discovered Cyanogen and then saw that he was getting the Nexus One and I got one a week or 2 after it was realized. So whatever phone he gets next I'll probably be getting it

Apple Ipad and Iphone

Apple's Ipad and Iphone
These two products are under heavy fire as you probably know.
And that is for a perfectly good reason. They do not work properly.
So my question is: how does Apple pull it off every time, with limited commercials. Just a letter from Jeve Stobs once in a while and some 'magical' lectures about how good these products should be.
They still sell millions of these things!
Why for @$%*sake would you buy anything like this? WHY!?
It just doesn't work and people still buy it!!! WHY!?
WTF!?
Right that had to come out. If you're offended, i'm sorry. If I started a nice thread, i'm happy.
Cheers
DaanJordaan

DaanJordaan said:
Apple's Ipad and Iphone
These two products are under heavy fire as you probably know.
And that is for a perfectly good reason. They do not work properly.
So my question is: how does Apple pull it off every time, with limited commercials. Just a letter from Jeve Stobs once in a while and some 'magical' lectures about how good these products should be.
They still sell millions of these things!
Why for @$%*sake would you buy anything like this? WHY!?
It just doesn't work and people still buy it!!! WHY!?
WTF!?
Right that had to come out. If you're offended, i'm sorry. If I started a nice thread, i'm happy.
Cheers
DaanJordaan
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Because despite the flaws people will put up with a lot of crap.
I mean come on the first gen iphones couldnt even send and recieve picture messaging.
Oddly enough I was at an At&t store the other day and facetime refused to work.

Yes i have both of that devices plus htc hd2 with latest android build and a good rom. I really like these there devices but i just dont understand people like you. Well im writing this post from my ipad and thats probably a better internet device than windows 7 installed maintenance pc, yes except flash. I am using iphone because this devices battery, screen and os performances are really impresses me. And yes, iphone and ipads performance are very good and theyre stable, no crash, no bsod, gsod, xsod, no need to formatting frequently... As you can see i am not a fanboy but im just enjoying using these devices. I hope you understand me. You can say anything you want but im not a computer-retarted (at least im a computer engineer) or just moron?!?

I HATE APPLE. <----lets get my view out right now. I hate that they are closed unlike Android that is open source. They are like communist. I hate them for athousand reasons. Those are my views. Dont get offended.
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But I must say that Apple devices such as the iPhone are very stable for the average user. Their customers know that.
The reason why they sell so easily.
The iPhone was the first phone to feature many features that we now consider standard on smart phones today. Well atleast they were the first major company.
Apple then released the Itouch. This destroyed their last product the Ipod which virtually replaced CD players. They were dominate in MP3 devices and very well known with their computers. They still are the leader in MP3 devices.
So in short, their past inventions created their very large fan base they have today. All it takes is a few people telling their friends how much they love their Apple. Then before you know it...the world becomes an Apple.
But when it comes to the advance user/developer. We know that Android is where it is at. I have nothing against windows either.
(the iPad is a piece of crap though)

Their users don't focus on the flaws that Apple haters do, they would rather ***** about what's wrong with Android/WinMo devices. And so it continues...

Spend = parts on marketing and development. Look where it gets you.
A company quickly surpassing microsoft as Big Brother.

I can proudly say I never bought an Apple product. I always found something better for a far better price.

I was given a stolen ipod once but used it a day and gave it back.

Ohh no!, another i....e thread...
phatmanxxl said:
I can proudly say I never bought an Apple product
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Me too

phatmanxxl said:
I can proudly say I never bought an Apple product. I always found something better for a far better price.
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What do you define as better? Hardware, OS, performance, etc? I for one do not like Apple products. But I am not ashamed to say that it is a great device. Very stable, fast, user friendly. I do agree about the price part though.
And are you on SDX? I remember seeing your picture from the office and it says your a moment user.

I had other mp3 players that I was perfectly happy with before the ipod went with color screens, I had a RCA kinda wanna be b&w ipod that did the job, then a creative brand one (I dont remember what it was called but it was about $150 and badass) that i stored pics, vids and music on, then I got a sidekick3, and then on i always used my phones for browsing and media. I always felt that the ipods back in the day (and still are) were over-hyped and over price, it was more of a status thing, like Reebok Pumps were in the early 90's, over priced shoes with a gimmick inflatable tongue but I had to have them to sport them in school.
Yea I get my ROMs, kernals and recov's from SDX and chat it up at Samsungmomentforum also. Im waiting to see what the epic has to offer till i upgrade to a 1gz phone. Im still torn between the evo and epic, plus both are not in stock anywhere anyways.

phatmanxxl said:
I had other mp3 players that I was perfectly happy with before the ipod went with color screens, I had a RCA kinda wanna be b&w ipod that did the job, then a creative brand one (I dont remember what it was called but it was about $150 and badass) that i stored pics, vids and music on, then I got a sidekick3, and then on i always used my phones for browsing and media. I always felt that the ipods back in the day (and still are) were over-hyped and over price, it was more of a status thing, like Reebok Pumps were in the early 90's, over priced shoes with a gimmick inflatable tongue but I had to have them to sport them in school.
Yea I get my ROMs, kernals and recov's from SDX and chat it up at Samsungmomentforum also. Im waiting to see what the epic has to offer till i upgrade to a 1gz phone. Im still torn between the evo and epic, plus both are not in stock anywhere anyways.
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Yeah, Apple is defiantly over hyped and over priced. When it comes to the Evo and Epic it narrows down to brand and keyboard preference. I prefer a hardware keyboard, but can live without. After owning a moment, and having data lockups and a 800mhz that is just slightly faster then the heros 500 and something mhz I dont know if I want another Samsung product. I mean they even make it hard to develop on. I coulda made a sense ROM for almost any HTC device way before I woulda figured out how to even port it to a Samsung. By the way I am Xconstaud from SDX haha. I uselly dont see many SDX users here.

staud8469 said:
What do you define as better? Hardware, OS, performance, etc? I for one do not like Apple products. But I am not ashamed to say that it is a great device. Very stable, fast, user friendly. I do agree about the price part though.
And are you on SDX? I remember seeing your picture from the office and it says your a moment user.
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If it was a great device, I would like it. But its not so it isnt. Many other devices are fast and user friendly, and despite the marketing apple devices are not flawless. Stop spouting Jobses marketing crap.
Apples strategy after being bailed out by microsoft was release a 2nd rate basic mp3 player called the ipod and stick their logo on it with some restrictive "easy to use" software called itunes that was still 10 times more complicated than click and draging files. they then told everyone it was pretty and good with an expensive marketing campaign until they bought it. People believed the hype and apple relesed successive generations, more restrictive and invasive software and even bigger advertising campaigns.
They then proceeded to do exactly the same thing for the iphone.

I have an iPod Classic that I like, mostly the batterylife and the fact that it syncs effortlessly with iTunes (I run a hackintosh instalation). Except the sound quality is horrible if you use high end headphones.
I have a jailbroke iPhone 2g, I didn't mind it but I hated the fact I couldn't get mms and the lack of app intergration into iOS. It still sits next to my computer, along with my N81 for no reason at all, except maybe if a new amazing app comes out that I would like a try of.
I don't hate apple, I just don't like all their products.

Oh yea iTunes, the main reason I avoid apple.

Apple delivers one, a single one, device (ipod, ipod touch, iphone, etc) a year while the others have to that by the dozen, just to keep up the sales. That's incredible and that's a fact. Period.
Apple makes the hardware and does the software altogether.
So, how couldn't it be a stable platform? Of course it has to be!
Apple rules the marketing and it knows how to sell it's products.
They did not invent the mp3, they did not invent the touch phones, but they know how to grab an idea and make it big.

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Apple delivers one, a single one, device (ipod, ipod touch, iphone, etc) a year while the others have to that by the dozen, just to keep up the sales. That's incredible and that's a fact. Period.
Apple makes the hardware and does the software altogether.
So, how couldn't it be a stable platform? Of course it has to be!
Apple rules the marketing and it knows how to sell it's products.
They did not invent the mp3, they did not invent the touch phones, but they know how to grab an idea and make it big.
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Go blow Mr. Jobs
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Apples popular because they were the underdog fighting against the evil empire of Microsoft. Even though thats over and APPL is now bigger then
Microsoft they have managed to keep their for the little guy image and people aren't figuriing out APPL is a huge corporation with business practices MS never even had the balls to try. Yes they make a nice stable phone, but as was said before is Microsoft or HTC only had to make software for 1 peice of hardware a year you can only imagine how stable it would be. APPL makes software for a a couple of their own tech devices. While MS and Droid now make OS's for thousands of phones. Realize if it weren't for MS or HTC we would all be paying $4000 for iphones.
I take that last sentence back, APPL never gets into a business as the leader or inventor, they let someone else market and develop the product then they swoop in a couple years later and slap a fruit sticker on it.
Remember on the 1st iphone when they invented 2G. Then on the 2nd iphone when they invented the camera on a phone, the on the 3G when they invented 3G. Or on the 3GS when they invented the app. Then in the 4G when they invented the Antenna and wifi video chat. LOL

Well, I might be the only one, but I do like Apple's stuff. And I'll explain why. I own a Macbook Pro and an iPod.
I think Apple has amazing hardware in terms of design. When I first brought my Macbook Pro home, I was incredibly impressed by the unibody aluminum construction of the laptop. It felt like I had spent my money on something that would definitely last. I don't know of any other laptop (or desktop) that has as good as a construction or design as Apple's.
Although I have never owned an iPhone, the same could be said about the new iPhone 4 and iPad. I think a lot of people have biased opinions solely because of the Apple brand. If the new iPhone or iPad had Android (or whatever else) on it and if it did not have an Apple logo on the back, I think everyone would be boasting on how awesome those products are -- which would be the same exaggerated reaction Apple fan boys (and Steve Jobs) have right now and the reason why people seem to hate Apple's products.
However, I'm not an Apple fan boy and Apple does have some serious issues. For example, it's really hard to trust Apple's words some times and determine if what they say is real or just a marketing scheme. Also, the recent attacks towards Nokia, Blackberry, HTC (and others) regarding the antenna is absolutely unnecessary and just goes to show what poor sportsmanship Apple has.
And I am really annoyed with its closed environment on the iOS, such as the rejection of the Google Voice app for the iTunes store whereas there are camera applications that have been approved, even though they duplicate the features that come with the phone.
Then again, I don't hate Apple and I'm able to look past the branding and look at the product itself. I'm just glad that Apple is an American brand.

After over 5 years of dedication I'm beginning to lose faith in HTC...

First of all I'd like to say HTC has been great to me... They were always the best about upgrading whatever software was on the phones, they've always been great tech support and up until recently their phones were always revolutionary but now... I mean it's like they're releasing the same 5 phones over and over with a different processor or camera and acting as though it's something innovative. Where a lot of companies are moving forward in design they've been at a standstill since the release of the Nexus One. I know "The pyramid is going to be so great" or something like that but really it looks like an HD7/Evo/HD2 with a better processor... I just don't get the appeal anymore. Even Kyocera is coming out with more interesting devices and that's just depressing. What happened to when HTC's phone lineups had interesting phones? What's the most interesting they have as of late? The surround? Someone at HTC please bring them back to their roots because their new models are just repetitive and dull...

yes, they may be bringing similar phones, but they are all still different. They pretty much got a variation of the evo, all with 4g capabilities, and similar on every carrier for android, and then a lesser version with only 3g on every carrier. i dont pay much attention to windows phones though. but there are rumors of an HTC tablet coming up, maybe that's where all there innovation is going to? just use the rest to keep the money coming in ATM? either way, im more than satisfied with upgraded to my evo from the samsung instinct.

Where else are you going to go? Motorola has their **** on lockdown and believe me, you do not want to enter the Samsung deathtrap.
I will never buy anything but HTC again.

Eh I didn't go Android this time so I'm happy with Samsung Dell and LG in terms of wp7 and can't wait for nokias. I got tired of the fragmentation too

So what do you going to use now after HTC ?
are you apply to samsung developers ?

Yea, I think they felt superior and now they are letting their product go down for sure.

samsung's good. the epic wasn't, but my past two phones i got with them were good (a dumb phone, and a smart phone) and almost never glitched. my parents had the epic for two weeks, and had everything foreclosing, and bad service. i say you go on ATT get the atrix when it comes out for android. motorola's getting good stuff, and android rocks. but i heard W7 is getting pretty good. picking good phone's these days is a pain in the *ss. btw im new, are we allowed to cuss?

Nokia and Motorola are where its at... thats the only hardware id consider atm.

That long huh
It took you five yrs. huh. After my first HTC phone I was done with them. I will only buy one of their phones if they're the only manufacturer my service provider is carrying WM7 on. Hopefully Sprint will carry more handsets. I would hate to get one of those subpar phones again. I never understood what everyone thinks is so great about HTC.

I still firmly believe that they havent really release an HD2/EVO successor, and by that, I mean creating such a magnitude that it ripples throughout the entire mobile market. Maybe they're enjoying their new-found earnings, but I hope they get to work on something truly spectacular that the world havent seen. We still have MWC and CTIA to go.

z33dev33l said:
...can't wait for nokias.
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Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.

Step666 said:
Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.
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If I was running on symbian I wouldn't build top-tier phones either. It would be a waste of power on a bum OS... Just like android, why the powerful GPU and no GPU accelerated UI? It'd just be a waste of resources. With a good OS that will make use of those resources they'll be out of that rut... Symbian wasnt exactly known for its awesome games or power hungry apps so why put the stuff in just to increase the price without reason? I do think they'll need to step up the game and by what they've said I have quite a bit of faith that they will. Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...

I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
p.s. my 10th post

xzpx said:
I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
p.s. my 10th post
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HTCs WP7 devices have been subpar really... Id rather get a focus unlocked...

You're missing half the point.
It's not just the specs, the build quality and reliability just isn't there.
The majority of their stuff is below-par buggy crap and I don't see switching OSs breaking them out of that rut.
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Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...
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Ah ha ha! Are you stoned?
This is the company that repeatedly delayed/scrapped/squashed MeeGo and has pumped countless BILLIONS into Symbian.
Seriously, Nokia has been spending more on R&D than anyone else and ~90% of that has been wasted on a PoS out-of-date OS that no-one wants.
But then you look at MeeGo and they've still managed to spend more on it than HTC spends in total and it basically doesn't exist, at least not in any commercial sense. How a company can spend so much money on something they have no intention of trying to sell to customers is mind-boggling.
Nokia can't innovate to save themselves, if they could they wouldn't be switching to WP7.

The innovation I speak of is strictly hardware. There's no denying that symbian was just terrible and I dont see how anyone can expect MeeGo to be anything more than a failure... However the design of their phones is not to blame for OS shortcomings. Sure WP7 will be like their first endeavor into high end hardware (bigger processors and such) but with the innovation behind their other devices I think they could bring WP7 to a more acceptable level. I'd love to see a good WP7 device with good battery life and a great camera. As far as I'm concerned 1 gig processor is enough for a phone as long as it utilizes what's there unlike other OSes.

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The innovation I speak of is strictly hardware.
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Such as?
What have Nokia done in the past couple of years that's innovative?

i agree with everyone that nokia sucks. motorola, and HTC are good, and if you dont like them go with Samsung (the epic wasn't too bad) if you don't like them either go Apple if you still want an somewhat-decent smartphone. but other then that you might as well buy a flip phone. HTC is the best for phones on sprint, my parents have had several htc windows mobile os phones, and now we all got the evo. but for tablets, the zoom if it was cheaper (check gizmodo.com to see what im talking about) and something with similar specs.
Btw we should have a favorite phone maker poll, and a favorite upcoming tablet poll.

While some of you may be losing faith in HTC I have to say that they have been great so far and I only expect more innovation. As a company they are even better. In the past few months I have been writing a business paper on smartphones, part of the research involved interviewing an HTC employee. I emailed HTC President Jason Mackenzie and within 10 minutes got a reply and a Yes to my interview. Companies that can go out of their way for customers and hear their concerns and complaints keeps me faithful. My next device will always be HTC

xodaQo said:
I will never buy anything but HTC again.
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Same here, mistake buying an LG.
Il stick to HTC, thank you very much!
On topic with the OP:
I heard HTC is going to do some dual core stuff. Can't wait!
I think HTC has got to the point where they have achieved nearly everything they can with mobile devices apart from speed.
I think htc would have to get some nice new phone designs and some unbelievable hardware spec to make it interesting.

HTC falling further and further downhill...

So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?

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So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?
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Huuhahah. nice word play. It leaves something to be "desired"
On a more serious note. i agree. no innovative designs from the guys @HTC.
Also specs wise i really have the feeling the competition is starting to get ahead. More 1080p dual core shiney stuff htc!. get with the program.

HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.

your still a fool if you buy somthing over the hd2 and your a htc fan (and your not a millionaire)
karma shall reward the ones who are patient

HTC got into the popularity game now, when before they were in the quality game. Carriers WANT HTC to make phones for them, and since carriers like to release a new phone every two months, there is no way HTC can be innovative. HTC is in it for the money, which is what most companies do. And you tell me, if you had a skill, made decent money on it, then a few people wanted you to use your skill towards their business, and all will pay you a ****load, you would do it.

After reading a Thunderbolt review another glaring HTC oversight was apparent. The micro usb charging port is on the side of the device, which is bad enough, but it's on the side that will be down when using the kickstand in Landscape, so you can't watch a movie and charge simultaneously
How are they making such fundamental errors?

On my experience is nothing related only to HTC, every brand is going slow as they want us to buy mobiles every year, if they launch (and sure they can) a super ultra nice device a lot of us would go for it and probably won´t upgrade as fast as they want.
So they want our money and that´s because they won´t go as fast as you want...
Just my opinion...

now hang on let's not be super drastic about htc and trust me, I've been extremely critical of htc
see
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-me-to-nokia-thank-you/
and while I have been critical, I am intrigued with their new button layout and design. It does look a bit more modern, but does that mean we users will get a better experience vs. the famed tp2 keyboard?
Now otherwise I do agree with one thing - HTC is in an era of non innovation. I would love to have a vertical slider from htc to compete with the dell venue pro; I'd also like to have some more odds and ends from htc. Why consumers aren't getting them is beyond me. Perhaps it legality, which would make sense. But overall, their chassis designs need a major change...

HTC still is stable and will surely have a huge share in the mobile market for the next 2-3 years (till tablets come into the mainstream)
See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
Cant say anything about samsung
As much as i know, Motorola will be the leading player in the coming 2-3 years. Seeing its exhibits in the CES '11 they surely have a lot of innovation coming in the mobile industry

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See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
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they both doing really well in europ tho

The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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Let's be real, what else can you do aside from making the outer case of the phone a different color? Only thing you can do, is add on features and carrier support. 3d being one of them, a 4.3" device with a more updated network modem(3.8" for Tmobile), being the Mytouch 4g, Inspire 4g, Thunderbolt, and the Evo. You have your sliders with updated network modems, g2 for Tmobile, and Evo Shift for Sprint. HTC has always gone with a couple different design choices, and personally I think they look great. They can only do so much with the SoC they use, seeing that they use qualcomm SoCs that still perform pretty nice, even the 65nm versions(But not the gpu. Adreno 200 sucks). What else do you want from them? A TV with an LTE modem that runs Android 2.3 with Sense in 3d? Admitting, the HD7 has some problems with build quality but every company has an issue like that with a device. Hell, Samsung has many devices with problems.

One thing that's hindering everybody is battery technology. That's a hurdle to overcome. I wish that the manufacturers would quit with this bigger is better approach that they seem to be taking. I'd like a phone i can actually put in my pocket!
Of course having bigger devices makes it easier to fit all the components into a slim form factor, and a lot of people seem to like them, so the manufacturers benefit. But these bigger screens have got to be having an impact on battery life, right?

Nsandhu23 said:
The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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wat phone is that

Two things to say up front:
1. I am an HTC fan.
2. I am a former Samsung (Moment) customer and I would never go back.
Now, I do think Samsung has flashier styling, and probably HTC's design department could take some lessons from them.
That being said, I still love my EVO 4G and wouldn't trade it for the world.

Well at least you guys have 4g. Our only 4g carrier retardedly made an exclusive deal with Samsung for their phones. Sigh...
Snet from me HTC Dserie using lé XDA app. Excuse typoz.

souljaboy said:
wat phone is that
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Evolution 3D which will be announced March 22nd.
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DirkGently1 said:
HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.
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I agree!
+1

souljaboy said:
wat phone is that
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Just like I said earlier. http://m.androidcentral.com/sprints...ils-leaked-expect-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-and-xoom there you have it
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just a word: HTC = UGLY
no style, no innovation... no taste.

Guess what mobile I have just bought!

Come on Guys and Gals have a guess what Mobile I have just purchased!? NOT to replace my stunning Note 8 but an addition too.
I feel as sick as a parrot, not only do I have 'man flu' but buying this mobile has not helped!
Ryland :good:

Nokia 3310
The real deal, not the new version..

LG V30?

Spere said:
Nokia 3310
The real deal, not the new version..
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Nope

kbhasi said:
LG V30?
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Far far from it.
Any more guesses before I confess?

Ryland Johnson said:
Far far from it.
Any more guesses before I confess?
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an iPhone of some kind

kbhasi said:
an iPhone of some kind
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Yep. iPhone SE 32GB. Why you may ask? I will explain.
Music is important to me. The Note 8 has a very pleasing sound stage but its not good enough for me so I had the choice of purchasing a dedicated DAP or an external DAC-Amp. I choose the DAC-Amp that being the Oppo HA-2-SE.
When connected to the USB-C connection the Oppo will take command of the music players internals and use the Note 8 as the source only.
PROBLEM. The Oppo doesn't like the USB-C connections? You see the Oppo can not only replace the mobiles amplifier and DAC but also act as a battery back up to the mobile. :good:
Not with the Note 8....When connected the Note 8 charges the bloody Oppo!? :silly: At present there are only unsatisfactory work around's for this and I don't like any of them hence my buying an iPhone to use purely as the source for the Oppo.
I have joined an Apple forum and much to my absolute amazement they have a thread dedicated to the Note 8. Also other android windows mobiles. I could never see that working here. WE can't even agree on the colour of snow never alone the differences between IOS and Android. Could you imagine it? :angel:
I now own an Apple device again. Lets see how that goes. I bought it last night and have yet to remove the plastic cover as once I do that I cannot return it for a refund. God that one point alone truly pushes my buttons. I must not set myself off. the sky is blue and the sea is green.
Ryland
I should send you a gift for guessing. It may well end up the iPhone SE!
I must behave myself! Stop that! (talking to myself).

You on macrumors? That forum is an absolute blast to watch, especially around release time.
I've been tempted to buy an iPhone through the years, because I write apps for iPhones. Haven't done it so far. That and just about every computing device that I own is made by Apple.

Ryland Johnson said:
Yep. iPhone SE 32GB. Why you may ask? I will explain.
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Ryland Johnson said:
I should send you a gift for guessing. It may well end up the iPhone SE!
I must behave myself! Stop that! (talking to myself).
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What?!? NO! not another Apple device! I really hate Apple's modern flat UI design, that's why i switched to Android, and also back to Windows!!!!!
iOS 6 and Mac OS 10.8 are the last great versions of those OSes, in my opinion. And then Google seems to be slowly going the way of the Apple, both in hardware and software.
I just wish I had the power to develop some kind of unofficial hacks to re-skin Mac OS and/or iOS with the classic skeuomorphic UI design I love, or even very good clones of those OSes as it was from those days, but with some changes.

usmaak said:
You on macrumors? That forum is an absolute blast to watch, especially around release time.
I've been tempted to buy an iPhone through the years, because I write apps for iPhones. Haven't done it so far. That and just about every computing device that I own is made by Apple.
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Yeee. Like a lamb to the slaughter eh!
Ryland
BTW I have still not opened the iPhone SE box! It just doesn't feel right? Plus a 4" screen after the Note 8! Dare I open that box?

Just an update.
I sold the iPhone SE. Bloomin spectacular mobile, always wanted one because its one of my personal favourites in terms of design, I like the square sides. The quality was, as expected, superb and it ran like a dream. Perhaps the most accomplished 4" screen mobile around at present, certainly one of them.
Looked at the iPhone X. The screen for some reason gave me migraine as it does some others? Bought the iPhone 8 plus and though it could NEVER replace my Note 8 as my daily I do like many aspects of the iPhone 8 plus. I only have it to pair with my portable DAC-Amps and paired with Sennheiser HD650 the sound reproduction for a portable set up is hi-fi nirvana.
Not a fan of IOS, its a learning curve I guess. Phone is superbly made as is my Note 8 so now have the two! Very different mobiles both with their positives and negatives. The one big positive with the Note 8 is its completeness, it just does every thing a mini pocket PC can do and on times even better! Its the 'best' mobile I have ever owned.
BTW the Apple forum guys are gals are a very nice community who are very helpful and welcome newbies like me with open arms.
Ryland