I can't find a dev thread that has been updated for a while.. I know cm7 still gets worked on, but with such stable builds of gingerbread and so many people with a nook color, I would think there would be some sort of custom roms still in development.
I know plenty of other devices that don't have anything but gingerbread, and they still have plenty of customized roms kernels and tweaks coming out. Have the devs moved on to newer, bigger, better devices?
I want a new phone, some phones coming out offer features I think will make them worth the investment, but no tablet that is out offers enough where I would dump my nook.. but part of what I want in any device is to squeeze out everything you can. The og Droid is still being pushed to limits, and I see this device in the same category. Worthy of being pushed far beyond anything before it.
I read at article about the nook color 2 coming out this month, whether it is true or not isn't the issue.. I'm just trying to figure out if people have given up on this one. Since I doubt that the NC2 will allow customization like this one has, I hope people here will again decide the device is worth pushing..
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Cm7 is updated nightly. Gingerbread is as far as we can go because google will not release the source code. Once ICS is released we will get a port of that.
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I can't find a dev thread that has been updated for a while.. I know cm7 still gets worked on, but with such stable builds of gingerbread and so many people with a nook color, I would think there would be some sort of custom roms still in development.
I know plenty of other devices that don't have anything but gingerbread, and they still have plenty of customized roms kernels and tweaks coming out. Have the devs moved on to newer, bigger, better devices?
I want a new phone, some phones coming out offer features I think will make them worth the investment, but no tablet that is out offers enough where I would dump my nook.. but part of what I want in any device is to squeeze out everything you can. The og Droid is still being pushed to limits, and I see this device in the same category. Worthy of being pushed far beyond anything before it.
I read at article about the nook color 2 coming out this month, whether it is true or not isn't the issue.. I'm just trying to figure out if people have given up on this one. Since I doubt that the NC2 will allow customization like this one has, I hope people here will again decide the device is worth pushing..
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The NC was so easy to root and so ultimately capable that the Devs are basically "done" with it. I mean honestly what more do you think they can do? It already does everything that the device is capable of. Anything left is just minor stuff, the tablet itself is simply perfect(or as perfect as it can be with the hardware it has). I feel like that, more than anything, is probably why there are fewer updates now.
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The NC was so easy to root and so ultimately capable that the Devs are basically "done" with it. I mean honestly what more do you think they can do? It already does everything that the device is capable of. Anything left is just minor stuff, the tablet itself is simply perfect(or as perfect as it can be with the hardware it has). I feel like that, more than anything, is probably why there are fewer updates now.
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I'm already perfectly satisfied with mine but I'm still holding out hope that they might be able to eek out better video performance somehow.
I hope Nook Color 2 will be lighter in weight than the current version. I wish BNN can bump the hardware specs without adjusting the price for the next version
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I'm already perfectly satisfied with mine but I'm still holding out hope that they might be able to eek out better video performance somehow.
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We are limited to the capabilities of the hardware. Any other development must be in software. We already reached the near limits on both.
I'm sure that people are hard at work getting CM7 etc on other platforms (HP Touchpad) at the moment. When Ice Cream Sandwich is released, I'm sure that the NC will be in the loop for CM8.
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The NC was so easy to root and so ultimately capable that the Devs are basically "done" with it. I mean honestly what more do you think they can do? It already does everything that the device is capable of. Anything left is just minor stuff, the tablet itself is simply perfect(or as perfect as it can be with the hardware it has). I feel like that, more than anything, is probably why there are fewer updates now.
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Most other devices are in a similar place, where they have gingerbread working as fully as possible, but that doesn't mean there isn't more they could do to make it awesome. Custom apps, different tweaks, changing the default ui in some way.. I don't see these other devices getting totally abandoned as if there is nothing more they could do. Cm7 is far from the best custom experience, it is simply the latest stable os.
Miui, with all of its flaws IMO(I like everything but the iPhone ish launcher), is certainly a better platform in some ways, but cm7 also has its own perks. If I saw a ron that combined the best features of both then I would say there isn't much left to do besides customize it..
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I am still holding out hope for movement on running non-Android OS natively, such as Ubuntu or Meebo. Still a pretty wide open pasture on that front.
With the impending release of ics
I would imagine people's enthusiasm for gingerbread has waned.
Also dedicated tablets are cheap and more functional. I only use my Nc as a dedicated reader and use my tablet for web surfing and such.
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8 GB is a little in the low end to run most Linux distros these days.
Also I think you can make a Meego micro sd card.
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8 GB is a little in the low end to run most Linux distros these days.
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Oh? My Kubuntu setup fits neatly within 5 GiB. Debian would use even less space.
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Oh? My Kubuntu setup fits neatly within 5 GiB. Debian would use even less space.
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I didn't say it wouldn't fit, I said it's a little on the low end.
BTW, for Kubuntu:
Required Recommended
Processor 1 GHz (x86) Better than 1 GHz (x86)
Memory 384 MB 1 GB
Hard drive capacity 4 GB[33] 10 GB[33]
Video card VGA @ 640x480 VGA @ 1024x768
And Fedora:
Minimum system requirements
6GB free disk space
2GB of RAM.
And Ubuntu:
1 GHz x86 processor (Pentium 4 or better)
512 MiB of system memory (RAM)
5 GB of hard-drive space
Graphics card and monitor capable of 800x600
Either a CD/DVD drive or a USB port (or both)
So yeah, it'll fit, but it's still on the low end if you want a graphical interface.
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WHO DID THIS??? and why isnt it here!!?
probably doesnt belong in dev section but this needs attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviopU8Ve-Y
wtf! I just got my nook color and was expecting to wait quite a while for a custom rom, but damn things are moving fast. Who did that? How? And why does no one here know about it?
Whoa. We have seen the future of the NC...and it shines! Now, how to get whoever did this on this board...
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WHO DID THIS??? and why isnt it here!!?
probably doesnt belong in dev section but this needs attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviopU8Ve-Y
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Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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Ok, so I guess this doesn't apply to you then, right?
I, on the other hand, am very excited. Hopefully we can get the details of this soon. There was no proof that the android marketplace was functioning in the froyo build though, but I hope it is.
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Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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It's a step in a nice direction. Get the stock OS up and running and then figure out what's needed to perform upgrades to the Nook platform itself. If it is possible to upgrade the unit to Froyo that means that Bluetooth Keyboards should work and a number of other things. I would prefer not to lose the actual Nook look/feel of the device but I'm not going to ignore what is overall a positive step forward for the evolution of this device.
I'm really hoping the details on the WiFi controller chip were accurate, because the touch keyboard on this thing is REALLY getting annoying.
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Ok, so I guess this doesn't apply to you then, right?
I, on the other hand, am very excited. Hopefully we can get the details of this soon. There was no proof that the android marketplace was functioning in the froyo build though, but I hope it is.
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No, it still applies to me.
The BNN apps run over android 2.1. My point is that I'm hoping someone can pull the BNN apps to work OVER froyo so that I can still have the best of both worlds.
Shouldn't be too hard. After all, BNN already said they're releasing a froyo update early next year (rumors being January).
one question that comes to my mind that doesnt come up in the video, since the nook only has like 4 hardware buttons how do you control your back, home and menu controls? unless you Remap the volume buttons to do it
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one question that comes to my mind that doesnt come up in the video, since the nook only has like 4 hardware buttons how do you control your back, home and menu controls? unless you Remap the volume buttons to do it
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That's why you would use the SoftKeys APK that someone else on here has worked so diligently on. That way, the bottom bar of the nook becomes like a perma-softkey bar, that way you can pick between using the volume keys or the softkeys.
Anybody managed to talk to the guy who put up the video? Would love to know how he got that running, especially with Flash 10.1 on 2.2
EDIT: Here's the Softkey.APK and the thread I'm talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=860153&page=2
It's too bad that whomever did this didn't focus their camera very well.
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It's too bad that whomever did this didn't focus their camera very well.
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Agreed - you can only barely make out the 2.2.1. Wonder if it's real or a fake...
I saw some benchmarks of 2.1 vs 2.2 measured using linpack. 2.1 was about 7 while 2.2 was 30-40.
Will the nook enjoy this speed increase? Meaning because the nook is a little more lacking hardware wise, I'm wondering if this speed boost would be more noticeable on the nook (e..g smoothing scrolling, more responsive, etc)
Or is the graphics chip more responsible for these things?
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I saw some benchmarks of 2.1 vs 2.2 measured using linpack. 2.1 was about 7 while 2.2 was 30-40.
Will the nook enjoy this speed increase? Meaning because the nook is a little more lacking hardware wise, I'm wondering if this speed boost would be more noticeable on the nook (e..g smoothing scrolling, more responsive, etc)
Or is the graphics chip more responsible for these things?
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The nook's hardware is actually quite capable and with a proper clean froyo build, it should fly. The stock B&N build is garbage as far as optimizations and performance go. We have a cortex A8 (TI OMAP 3621) with a powerVR SGX 530, that should be plenty to have a nice android experience.
I'm sure linpack scores will improve with 2.2, but it seems snapdragon based devices get the best gains on linpack from going 2.1 to 2.2.
Good to hear it's a capable piece of hardware.
This will be my first android device so I'll read more about rooting etc. But once say a froyo 2.2 is out, can you retain the b&n software somehow, or is it one or the other?
I've heard some of the apps/functionality it provides is good. I'm more interested in this as a cheap first tablet so with a choice for one or the other, I'd wipe it and put froyo on it, but I was curious if even their apps can be brought over, if a side by side (dual boot?) install isn't possible. Or maybe off the sd card...
Off topic, but is there anything to manage multiple users? I can see my gf wanting to use it, and I'd rather not have her bookmarks files etc in mine.
I get the vibe all these devices are made for one user, but I've read posts about say a parent wanting to let their kid play with the device without concern they'd change anything.
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Good to hear it's a capable piece of hardware.
This will be my first android device so I'll read more about rooting etc. But once say a froyo 2.2 is out, can you retain the b&n software somehow, or is it one or the other?
I've heard some of the apps/functionality it provides is good. I'm more interested in this as a cheap first tablet so with a choice for one or the other, I'd wipe it and put froyo on it, but I was curious if even their apps can be brought over, if a side by side (dual boot?) install isn't possible. Or maybe off the sd card...
Off topic, but is there anything to manage multiple users? I can see my gf wanting to use it, and I'd rather not have her bookmarks files etc in mine.
I get the vibe all these devices are made for one user, but I've read posts about say a parent wanting to let their kid play with the device without concern they'd change anything.
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if the root method is the same as we have done before, yes we will be able to do it, basically a custom recovery will be created which will allow nand (internal memory) to be backedup and restored
yea, the stock B&N software is pretty poorly optimized but it's got good management and reading features (shelves, different colors and margin settings, social networking for quotes etc...), much better than the Nook app on Android and most other reader apps, the store works pretty well and it does B&N magazines and kid books. Some of the non-readers out there might not notice the difference, but it's there.
sadly i dont think B&N understand the idea of optimization i got almost twice the performance on my original nook last year just by optimizing the .apks with zipalign and optiPNG havnt had a chance to test it on the NC because well im lazy and too busy actually using it
dark79 said:
Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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Me too, I use it as a reader and media player next.
But I'm paying close attention to what this device can do...
Here is a thread that will be all about speculation..
I saw the honeycomb and it was smoking!!! What are the chances that the guys here will get it on the nook? And if yes, how it will run? Given that it only have a 800Mhz processor (1Ghz overclocked).
Looking forward for any opinions
I hope so, but that's a good bit away. Honeycomb uses on screen buttons, so our hardware button deficiencies would go away, if it were possible.
IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.
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IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.
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There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..
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That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..
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why not......
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why not......
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Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.
Is it bringing something amazing to the table? Haven't even bothered looking at honey just because the GUI stuff everyone likes looks ugly as hell.
Nook color was my first android device so I prefer the simple notification bar at the bottom, as well as using a taskmanager to kill/switch apps.
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spikey911 said:
Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.
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I hope you realize that the fine folks at Cyanogen are already working on a NC version of CyanogenMOD version 7 -- which is a Gingerbread (2.3) rom. Some of their best devs are on it, and they've even gotten it to boot already!
So, don't be surprised when you see 2.3 sooner, rather than later...
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I mean has development become steady at this point?
I wonder how well honeycomb will run on this once it really comes out
I may loose track of 250 bucks and buy one :O
There are some reporting OC Kernel + the SDK Port on the NC are netting them Quadrant Scores of 2000+. That is with just the SDK, imagine what a ASOP would do...
honeycomb looking awesome then?
The development is quite steady and it will stay that way for quite some time. I'm running a rooted nook that is overclocked to 1.1ghz and it is stable. I have no issues with it.
The NC is as usable as the Android Community makes it.
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How usable is the NC?
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Long answer to short question ... depends on your expectations .. but the nice thing is you can be anywhere along a pretty broad spectrum.
Running a rooted 'stock 1.01' there seems to be NO problems and most apps will run fine with rock solid stability, BUT it's not a multimedia tablet which many seems to want ... it's more a general purpose tablet and a darn good one esp. for the price.
From there you can go in many directions, all of which have some drawbacks at this point .. but it is nice there are lots of choices and with CWM available it is pretty hard to get a brick and pretty easy to switch ROMs. Hope this helps ... BTW the display is GReat!
For $250, the Nook Color has awesome specs. The display is IPS and has a pretty good resolution. All the "hacks" for it are fairly complicated, however if you are ready to put some time into the Nook Color you will have an amazing tablet. It is very hard to brick, though it is also fairly hard to restore to the factory ROM. All in all, it is an amazing tablet for the price, and once Honeycomb is polished a bit more, it will be even more amazing.
I just found out about Honeycomb being ported to the Nook Color and am wondering if I should run to buy one before they change it to prevent rooting.
I like tablets as a form factor but thought prices starting at 500 EUR were out of whack for devices with such limited functionality; at less than 250 EUR they become mightily tempting.
How does the Nook Color hold up as a Honeycomb device? Is it fast enough to handle the OS smoothly? Is the port stable enough for daily use (this is crucial to me, I do not want to be stuck with any non tablet optimized version of Android)? Where can I buy one in Italy? The lack of 3G connectivity or even GPS is not a deal breaker to me at that price.
As of now, Honeycomb kind of sux. It is slow, buggy, lot of applications won't even run (the ones that do are stable) and battery life is very bad. This is my experience.
Developers are doing great job, but if you want something, that is not just a gimmick, you will have to wait until HC is finally released by Google and not just a port from SDK.
Awwwwww
But to answer your original question. Yes, run out and buy one anyways. It's a great device at a great price. Even though HC isn't perfect yet, it is very usable in my opinion, but as another user mentioned some apps don't work currently and I reverted to CM7 for now, which I must say after a few nightly updates is currently working really welll.
If you are ready to get your hands dirty with some rooting, then install the latest CM7 (cyanogenmod) nighty. Go to CM7 Dev discussion thread to learn more. Works like a charm. Best ROM for Nook thus far!
Yeah I agree, I really like it, haven't touched my gtablet since i bought one and rooted it. I like the 7 inch size.
I'm using the NC with Honeycomb and am using it as my daily driver. Most application issues (other than video) have been fixed for me by moving the application to internal storage. For some reason apps are installing to the SD card by default, which is causing most of the problems.
I also use the eReader.com software since I'd already bought a ton of books long before B&N ever thought of buying them up. The only time I got an error with that app was when I set the app to NOT do animations when changing pages.
As to your origional questions, the NC boots with the SD Card first and then to internal memory. Without changing the hardware, there is no way that B&N can stop us from these mods. So now or later doesn't really figure into it.
That said, I think you should get one as soon as possible! lol... I love mine! I use it over my Sansung Tab due to it's form factor and solidness. With the 1.1GHz overclocked kernel it is a really nice unit. Most emmc distros of Honeycomb already include the 1.1 kernel so install is a breeze!
I can't help you with the whole Italy thing... But wish you luck!
Let me preface this by saying that I have nothing but the utmost respect for the dev community (NC and otherwise) and I really don't mean to step on any toes with this. I'm fairly new at all this and I've got some questions.
Alright, so as we've all heard by now, Google (whether their reasons are benevolent or not) are withholding the AOSP release of Honeycomb and that kind of rains on everyone's nook color parade. We've got a mostly working port of HC that kind of sags in the performance area. Its almost been enough to make me flash Gingerbread but there are a few things - namely the browser, email app, soft keys and notification system - that I'd miss. The new + screen is nice, but I've been using launcher pro as it runs seemingly faster than the stock launcher, so I'm already missing out on that.
Now, from what I understand, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, deeperblue's HC port uses parts of Gingerbread to make everything all hunky dory.
My question is this; would a viable solution to slow HC performance be to make a new rom and pump MORE Gingerbread in? i.e. Take HC's notification system replace GB's phone-style notification pane. Make it mostly gingerbread with some tablet friendly nip/tucks here and there.
I realize there are things like softkeys and the bottom taskbar mod, but HC's handling of the android buttons and the new notification system is just so appealing. Its making the choice of which rom to run unduly difficult. And while I can't cook a rom, I'm hoping someone who can sees this and runs with it, if it is feasible, that is.
Truthfully... It's up in the air like everything else, unless a DEV directly comes out of the shadows and saids, hey i'm going to do it... Then we just won't know. Honestly, I'm sad that we won't see HC right around the corner, but CM7 is pretty awesome. And the Xoom is scheduled to drop down to $599 (Wifi only) today, making it a lot more competitive than the 3g.
That's not to say that I personally have $599 to drop and go buy a new tablet, but it does mean that you'll probably see them on craigslist or ebay in a few months for a bit cheaper. =\
The honey comb preview is awsome but to many apps don't work.
Tyfighter said:
My question is this; would a viable solution to slow HC performance be to make a new rom and pump MORE Gingerbread in?
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That was kinda the plan. CM7 development was going in a way that all the improvements (Bluetooth, partially working DSP, an accelerated interface) were going to be directly ported to Honeycomb once the source released. But without the source, that can't happen.
Basically Google has completely screwed any Nook Color fans wanting Honeycomb.
The only improvement that can be made is that a ROM could be made from the final SDK. That would be just as laggy, and will lack new features (Bluetooth, DSP, etc.), but it would be able to use Android tablet apps.
From the conversation about Google's move on the net, many are saying there won't be a Honeycomb source at all, and the next source dump will come with Ice Cream months from now.
So Honeycomb fans have a choice- either try out the CM7 modification that you talked about to make CM7 more Honeycomb-like, or start saving up for that Xoom...
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The honey comb preview is awsome but to many apps don't work.
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what apps dont work? most of the major ones have worked for me so far...
im finding that the hc rom is very usable for a daily driver...although bluetooth and dsp support would be very nice...
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what apps dont work? most of the major ones have worked for me so far...
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Any Tablet app that requires the final SDK version (aka all those Xoom apps) won't work on our preview build.
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Any Tablet app that requires the final SDK version (aka all those Xoom apps) won't work on our preview build.
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Thank you for your informative reply.
It seems now that my best bet is going to be t see what the cm7 guys cook up. Hopefully this aosp business will spark some of the innovation that the android community is known for. I'd love to help, but its not exactly my forte
With regards to what apps aren't working, my marketplace only seems to intall apps when the stars are right. I often have to attempt an install upwards of five times to have it succeed, if it even does. Otherwise i get insufficient storage errors or indeterminate error 18
sorry if i am hijacking this a bit, but i had thought that android was 'open source'. why the change in the plans to not release hc? is this to protect the hw manufacturers like mot who have hc on the xoom, and freeze out users who want it ported non supported platforms? Otherwise, I can't understand the logic.
I got the nc cause i had thought it had the best $/performance of any android based tablet. For half the price of others, it had great screen, and forgetting bt, etc., nice hw specs. With hc, it would be fantastic!
How else to counter ipads if not to get hc on as many tablets as possible?
I wonder if the fact that the playbook is running our apps has anything to do with it. If so, I don't mind anything that makes it rough for RIM.
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sorry if i am hijacking this a bit, but i had thought that android was 'open source'. why the change in the plans to not release hc? is this to protect the hw manufacturers like mot who have hc on the xoom, and freeze out users who want it ported non supported platforms? Otherwise, I can't understand the logic.
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It is open source and it WILL be released however at this time they don't think it's ready for final release (I've heard of various tweaks they need to make in the xoom) and are working those out prior to releasing it to devs