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Why isn't the G1 smooth?

Well, today in chemistry my friend took out his iphone and I started using it. The scrolling on that phone is amazing. Everything was incredibly smooth like the home screen, browser, and music lists.
I'm curious as to why the G1 is very jerky when scrolling stuff. Is it because the G1 doesn't have a GPU or something like that? If it is possible for the hardware, will there be an update that makes it smooth?

Areyo said:
Well, today in chemistry my friend took out his iphone and I started using it. The scrolling on that phone is amazing. Everything was incredibly smooth like the home screen, browser, and music lists.
I'm curious as to why the G1 is very jerky when scrolling stuff. Is it because the G1 doesn't have a GPU or something like that? If it is possible for the hardware, will there be an update that makes it smooth?
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It also depends on the rom but since you asked here are G1 specs & Iphone
My G1 is super smooth and rooted w/ king's espresso
Iphone:
OS=iPhone OS (based on Mac OS)
CPU/Gpu=ARM Cortex A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX graphics
Ram=256MB Ram
Legacy:
OS=Andro of course
Ram=192MB (Andro takes up 150~ i think)
CPU=MSM 7201A @528 MAX but unrooted are @384/
GPU=HW accelerated w/ 3D Oh and uses the 2nd core of the CPU
But you gotta remem that iphones cant Multi-task and has only 1 app open at a time, i have a Ipod touch and its fast, i used the 3GS and thats fast too. But i can never leave android b/c of what it can do.You might also want to know that a better gpu doesnt translate to faster scrolling either.

I have the newest cyanogen mod, and I'm not saying the iPhone is faster than the G1, I'm saying that it is smoother.
For example(not real numbers):
The g1's ui runs at 15 fps and the iphone's runs at 45 fps.

Areyo said:
I have the newest cyanogen mod, and I'm not saying the iPhone is faster than the G1, I'm saying that it is smoother.
For example(not real numbers):
The g1's ui runs at 15 fps and the iphone's runs at 45 fps.
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You should try Super D its faster than cyan's rom, but its based off of cyan&dwang. You could always try enom's rom too, he has a bunch of extras that can be accessed from terminal.

k ill try some later

For Sure try Super D rom. its by far the fastest and smoothest rom in my opinion.

24bronco said:
For Sure try Super D rom. its by far the fastest and smoothest rom in my opinion.
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I flashed the beta last night and that thing is smooth. Then again coming from a hero rom, stock is smooth

Is my Nexus One slow?

Hi,
I'm having my Nexus One for about two weeks now and I already started a thread about the choppy scrolling between homescreens but now I want to know if there are other people that find their Nexus One slow and if they were able to make it faster in any way.
When I bought this phone I thought android would 'fly' on it cause I already had a HTC Magic and that went reasonably fast. But everything I'm using on my Nexus One feels choppy and not fluent as I expected/want it to be. For example when you start the browser or any other program you get this zoom animation which is nice but it doesn't go fluent, it goes choppy like you would play a videogame with 5 FPS.
And as I already mentioned the same counts for the launcher, it's just not fluent and doesn't feel fast at all.
I've tested different rom's, froyo, etc. but nothing seems to make it right so now I'm wondering if there are people that have the same issue's? Is it normal that the Nexus One isn't super fast to use or is there something wrong with my phone and should I return it?

i think something is wrong. especially with froyo the phone is ultra-fast.
Try Linpack and some other benchmarks and post the results.
Or try osmonitor for example and see what the cpu speed does, perhaps it is stuck @ 245 mhz for some reason lol

Ok, my score in Linpack is 6844 (MFLOPS). Don't know if that's good or bad. In BencmarkPi my Nexus One calculates Pi in 2842 miliseconds. And in Neocore I get 26.4 FPS which seems pretty normal to me.
I don't think my problems are hardware related, it more feels like it's the software.
Ow and I ran OSmonitor now and there's something strange. It says Memory Total: 217.440K Free: 67.500K
Is this a known bug or should it say 512MB?

renegadEEE said:
Ok, my score in Linpack is 6844 (MFLOPS). Don't know if that's good or bad. In BencmarkPi my Nexus One calculates Pi in 2842 miliseconds. And in Neocore I get 26.4 FPS which seems pretty normal to me.
I don't think my problems are hardware related, it more feels like it's the software.
Ow and I ran OSmonitor now and there's something strange. It says Memory Total: 217.440K Free: 67.500K
Is this a known bug or should it say 512MB?
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your using eclair without a highmem kernel, thats why it only shows that much RAM. What roms have you tried? Try cyanogens or even stock froyo and see how the speed improves. I think you may be feeling its slow because of the extra animations that werent present during 1.6 which is what the MT3G is on

flybyme said:
your using eclair without a highmem kernel, thats why it only shows that much RAM. What roms have you tried? Try cyanogens or even stock froyo and see how the speed improves. I think you may be feeling its slow because of the extra animations that werent present during 1.6 which is what the MT3G is on
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But the kernel thing doesn't affect the speed? I believe stock Froyo is one of the best I've tried so far. I tried cyanogen too, 5.0.7 I believe, but the launcher was extremely slow on that one.
Or am I flashing my roms the wrong way so things don't run smooth? I just download the .zip files, put them on my sd card, boot into recovery, whipe and flash. Normally it should work that way I believe.
And on my HTC Magic I was using a rom with Sense UI that worked very smooth. Maybe I should try the Desire ports but I like the stock Nexus One UI better.
Also I can't understand why there are developers OC'en the Nexus One? If it's really that fast already why would you risk that you're phone dies quicker for that extra performance?
And I don't hate animations, I even like them, but not if they are choppy.

renegadEEE said:
But the kernel thing doesn't affect the speed? I believe stock Froyo is one of the best I've tried so far. I tried cyanogen too, 5.0.7 I believe, but the launcher was extremely slow on that one.
Or am I flashing my roms the wrong way so things don't run smooth? I just download the .zip files, put them on my sd card, boot into recovery, whipe and flash. Normally it should work that way I believe.
And on my HTC Magic I was using a rom with Sense UI that worked very smooth. Maybe I should try the Desire ports but I like the stock Nexus One UI better.
Also I can't understand why there are developers OC'en the Nexus One? If it's really that fast already why would you risk that you're phone dies quicker for that extra performance?
And I don't hate animations, I even like them, but not if they are choppy.
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the kernel is actually the primary factor when it comes to speed. how the kernel manages actions on the phone is the deciding factor on what makes it run fast. you can have a very fast phone hardwarewise, but if the kernel is designed poorly, the phone will run slow as well. Using a kernel that does not have highmem enabled means your probably running an older kernel that does not have updates for speed. the latest froyo kernel has highmem and JIT enabled for faster application use as well as over smoother feel.
i love the animations as well
im coming from the G1 and i havent had any of the of the problems you seem to be having. you are flashing the roms correctly (unless there are additional things such as google apps you need, idk whats the procedure on that for the nexus) Im running fully stock with froyo FRF72.
I would imagine that Desire would be SLOWER than stock android not faster. However the animations may be better optimized. I only used sense on the G1 and it was slow as heck on there (i would have used it all the time otherwise) The main reason that things look so choppy is because rendering is not handled by the GPU, rather the CPU. This puts more strain on the CPU than should be necessary.
I don't get why they OC the CPU either. Seriously, 1gHz is fast for a PHONE. I can understand why when the phone starts getting dated why you would....but its not gonna be dated till at least Q4 2010 when the 1.2-2gHz snapdragons are coming out.

Qualcomm will have a 1.5gHz ready for new phones this year. DUAL-CORE
http://gizmodo.com/5443976/qualcomm...dragon-smartphones-are-about-to-go-hyperspeed
As for the problem. Sounds weird. Try LauncherPro for a test. That is smooth launcher that flows like butter. If that is choppy then there is something seriously fu-bar going on with yer phone

I've flashed the stock froyo FRF50 now and till now it looks a lot better. OS manager now shows a total of 400MB memory. Is this the normal amount it should show? Or should I be looking for another kernel for froyo? And what is the difference between froyo FRF50 and FRF72?
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so is your nexus smooth and fluid now? because mine is very smooth swiping the homescreens. using launcher pro. no choppiness at all.

Stock launchers to me are kinda choppy too. And that was my only complain with the nexus. Like the previous posters advised, try launcher pro and adwlauncher, tweak the settings to your liking and you'll see the difference. As far as kernel for froyo try pershoots kernel, it seems to be very smooth and speedy.
renegadEEE said:
I've flashed the stock froyo FRF50 now and till now it looks a lot better. OS manager now shows a total of 400MB memory. Is this the normal amount it should show? Or should I be looking for another kernel for froyo? And what is the difference between froyo FRF50 and FRF72?
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Ok, thanks for al the replies and great advice! With the fresh Froyo rom and a better kernel everything goes way better now!
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renegadEEE said:
Ok, thanks for al the replies and great advice! With the fresh Froyo rom and a better kernel everything goes way better now!
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400 is normal. FRF72 seems to help battery life greatly for me. browser seems more stable and google apps have been updated (alarm and calendar)

renegadEEE said:
Ok, thanks for al the replies and great advice! With the fresh Froyo rom and a better kernel everything goes way better now!
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Minor suggestion - install ADW.Launcher (you'll have to tweak the settings a bit to make it nice) or Launcher Pro (works great as is) with your Froyo ROM. You'll thank me for it. The stock launcher scrolling is choppy - always has been, never was really fixed in Froyo (at least as of FRF50 - I haven't even bothered trying it with FRF72).

Best android version 2.0, 2.1,2.2 or 2.3

Hi there
I am trying to organise a discussion on which android release is best for the milestone/droid. When comparing try and talk about:speed, usability, gaming, battery life and so forth.
P.s anyone getting lagging 3d gaming on gb?
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choudu1 said:
Hi there
I am trying to organise a discussion on which android release is best for the milestone/droid. When comparing try and talk about:speed, usability, gaming, battery life and so forth.
P.s anyone getting lagging 3d gaming on gb?
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Best overall experience performance/game/battery-wise is Eclair (2.1) for sure. If you don't mind loosing some features on GMAPS and not getting the latest GMAIL client. But you need a good sd-card and sd-ext or just not use much apps on the phone, as eclair doesn't support app2sd natively. Ah, good old time where I could play Angry Birds, pause it, open You Tube, watch a video, go back to Angry Birds which was still loaded in memory, no need to reload everything and start again....

I've heard bout that. Honestly I would go back to eclair if it wasn't for the lack of flash and apps2sd. I really don't understand what makes gb so slow
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i think the best blance between features and snappynes is 2.2 . it has a lot of additional features and it runs good. i personally love 2.3 because of the look (im a big fan of the screen-off animation) but its too slow.

Interesting. I know this sounds stupid but what's actually new in 2.2 (excluding jit and apps2sd). And on 2.1 shouldn't that be the best for gaming if you can find a rom that has jit and supports ext2. And can't you get flash from the market anyways?
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JIT takes up a lot of RAM that Milestone doesn't have =)
best performance is still Eclair... Official Froyo is laggy...

choudu1 said:
Interesting. I know this sounds stupid but what's actually new in 2.2 (excluding jit and apps2sd). And on 2.1 shouldn't that be the best for gaming if you can find a rom that has jit and supports ext2. And can't you get flash from the market anyways?
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From what I have heard, Eclair has a 30FPS cap, so my favorite would be Froyo. I disable JIT on all ROMs as I don't notice much of a difference.
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But surely 30fps is still rather smooth
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Hi guys !
I'm a new owner of Motorola Milestone and mine came with stock 2.2.1 Froyo installed.
The thing is that despite having Froyo the interface looks just like 2.0. Main screen contains old grey tab that slides up the screen to reveal apps, camera interface is old too and there is no tethering.
I've already checked motorola update software to see if there's anything new, but apparently not and right now I don't have time to root the phone to install custom ROM (2.2 or 2.3). Is there anything I can do to get the new interface working?

Hi, have you tried Cronos Ginger ver.1.4 b4?
I just installed Plants vs Zombies on my Milestone.
No problems on my Milestone running Cronos Ginger ver.1.4 (with my Autokiller Memory settings).
See this video below:
http://youtu.be/tmCMIKdrjGE
I have also played Modern Combat 2 on the same ROM too and have completed the game.

Isn't the Cronos Ginger a custom ROM that needs rooted phone ?
Sorry for such a question, but I'm new to the subject.

pcphobic said:
Hi, have you tried Cronos Ginger ver.1.4 b4?
I just installed Plants vs Zombies on my Milestone.
No problems on my Milestone running Cronos Ginger ver.1.4 (with my Autokiller Memory settings).
See this video below:
http://youtu.be/tmCMIKdrjGE
I have also played Modern Combat 2 on the same ROM too and have completed the game.
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This is not official version (from PopCap). Official needs about 180mb ram free to run.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wFqYRzC2fc and see difference.
Modern Combat 2 is working fine with 80-90mb ram free.

But still, has anyone met with such issue when stock froyo has an old interface a'la 2.0 ?

Get ADW launcher from the market. It is the lightest launcher for motorola milstoen

guys ive noticed something.
Of all the roms i think cronos runs the FASTEST. but the launchers seem to lag quite a lot. On miui (laggiest milestone rom) adw is fine(ish). But on cronos it lags
EDIT: Hmmm just checked my phone again. The lag is getting better. Spooky

Android 2.2 keeps alot apps in memory and I task killers like Adao doesn't works as good as it works on 2.1. I miss 2.1 but I'm loving the new apps on 2.2 but the memory management system is poor.

lol that video of PvZ is pathetic. My iPod Touch 4G runs that smoking smooth on its 256mb ram + 800mhz processor and retina display.
The milestone simply cannot do it.
With that said, a 512mb device can do it MUCH better. Even my Nexus S struggles since it only boots with 100mb free. A lot of crap gets killed.
I don't get why Android apps need SO MUCH RAM.

So which version actually uses the smallest amount of RAM?
Right now I'm on 2.2.1 and most of the time I have about 40MB free.

Well, it's not really about how much RAM is free, it's more like how much RAM can be freed in case you need it. So, be it Eclair or Froyo, you get around 30-40 megs free, but Eclair can free 120MB easy, without killing essential apps, while Froyo can do 85-90 with JIT and 100-105 without JIT. Unfortunatelly it is exactly those 15-20MB of RAM that we need to keep out home screen alive, or read and SMS without killing Angry Birds.

And how about Gingerbread? I'm currently waiting for new 'RTM' version of CyanogenMod 7.1 from Nadlabak and I think I'll give it a try.

Best gaming & performance rom??

Hey guyz please hep me out... i use a lot of apps and games on my phone..So CAN anyone suggest me the best and most complete gaming rom...THANK YOU

you can find the ultimate release of miroslav.. SDLv4 with 2.6.35 kernel now I've using the new oxygen ROM and I've played PES2012 and I can talk that it works very fine

Stock 2.1 ROMS have better fps and non-skippy frames in games
PCF's .32 CM7 also has good fps, but frames are a little skippy
All other custom roms (don't know about ICS) have skippy frames, so games look laggy

take zenonia3 as a bench mark use 2.1 2.2 and 2.3, set all to 710mhz perf and see which lags more. on 2.1 its very slow 2.2 aint that bad but on 2.3 i can compare mine to a iphones

bs828 said:
take zenonia3 as a bench mark use 2.1 2.2 and 2.3, set all to 710mhz perf and see which lags more. on 2.1 its very slow 2.2 aint that bad but on 2.3 i can compare mine to a iphones
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My past GT540 doesn't seem to like custom roms that much

Hmm weird how so??

Which is the Best Rom Available for daily use..Except 2.1

PavanR said:
Which is the Best Rom Available for daily use..Except 2.1
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depending on your preferences and your definition of "best" there are different roms possible

PavanR said:
Which is the Best Rom Available for daily use..Except 2.1
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PCF CM7 v4 with .32 kernel is best for me.

O2X + ICS + lag ?

So... I've now given my HTC EVO 3D to my wife as a gift (not wrapped lol.. I just said she could have it so she has a nice phone)... and I've gone back to her old phone which is a Sony Vivaz. Now the only reason I got shot of the O2X in the first place was due to it lagging after even half a day, and the EVO 3D had 1GB of RAM and it doesn't lag at all. so.... basically.. now there is a stock LG ICS version (I assume there is looking at other threads?) has this resolved the lag? When I say lag, I mean it not even being able to play video's smoothly, and games nose diving in performance etc.
If this is the case... I'll probably be on the look-out for another O2X as I enjoyed having a nice bright screen and an HDMI port

Scougar said:
So... I've now given my HTC EVO 3D to my wife as a gift (not wrapped lol.. I just said she could have it so she has a nice phone)... and I've gone back to her old phone which is a Sony Vivaz. Now the only reason I got shot of the O2X in the first place was due to it lagging after even half a day, and the EVO 3D had 1GB of RAM and it doesn't lag at all. so.... basically.. now there is a stock LG ICS version (I assume there is looking at other threads?) has this resolved the lag? When I say lag, I mean it not even being able to play video's smoothly, and games nose diving in performance etc.
If this is the case... I'll probably be on the look-out for another O2X as I enjoyed having a nice bright screen and an HDMI port
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stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.

xadidas said:
stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.
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Prior to ICS the custom rom's/kernel's lagged badly as well.. like they were out of memory.... are you 100% they don't lag? i.e. you don't have to reset your phone daily just to watch a movie or play a 3D game?

well take into account that the device only has 348mb ram? So It's a bit memory hungry but ICS performance overall is quite nice

xadidas said:
stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.
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This is not true. Do you have direct experience? What rom do you use?
I'm using 30B stock LG in Italy and I must say that I finally can touch high smoothness and fast performance.
Never found this with custom roms.
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wals46 said:
This is not true. Do you have direct experience? What rom do you use?
I'm using 30B stock LG in Italy and I must say that I finally can touch high smoothness and fast performance.
Never found this with custom roms.
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The stock fettled rom always worked best for me. I tried stock kernel and stefans kernel and some others but it didn't make any difference to the lag that happened after a random amount of time (within a day). The phone itself would be fine, just video and game performance sucked after a while. To be clear.. on a fresh restart/boot of the phone the performance was EXCELLENT... just it degraded after a relatively short time, and was the deciding factor for selling it. If this has been resolved with ICS I would REALLLLLY like to know.
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well take into account that the device only has 348mb ram? So It's a bit memory hungry but ICS performance overall is quite nice
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I did take that into account. I found the best experience was with the fettled stock italian rom last year before ICS was released, but the phone always suffered with slow down, even within an hour of turning it on if I did something intensive like play a game or watch a video. It took half a day to a day to slow down if not doing anything intensive. It was REALLLLLY aggravating.
I do realise it has limited memory, but given it wasn't running ICS it really should have performed better for longer as such. If Tegra 2 needed more memory to continue running that that's what it should have had. It's an amazing phone (for the money) otherwise I thought.
If people who use there phone for video playback and say... playing a tegra 2 game like dungeon defenders could come in and comment on if performance degrades to getting REALLY bad frame rates after a while, I would really appreciate it. If you can go for a month or something playing games and watching video's without an issue, I REALLY like to hear about it.

@Scougar,
I'm very sorry for you.
I bought 2x on oct 2011, not for playing games as first goal, I have been happy with 20S (removing some unused system apps) for many months and now I am with 30B.
Good luck.
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dont know how anyone can say that cm10 is smooth for example (havent tried stock ics yet tho), because its just so awfully slow for me, lags more than cm7, im sure its because of higher ram consumption. even with swap partition enabled. i mean it IS very smooth, when it works that is, but it quite often has these awful slowdowns for me when the phone just puts me on ignore mode lol
i mean its pathetic, cant even have 2 tabs open in chrome without having to reload the pages after switching tabs. movies and games work great tho, never had any issues, on any android version. best thing about this phone really.

Look i understand what you are saying but the weird thing is with the build from jan 2013+ the performance is just amazing..
And I never experienced a bsod nor a freeze nor a slowdown and not even a single fc i really don't knoa but some people have strange p990's or i just got myself a special one eheh.
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Really.cm10 is the smoothest exp. i ever had on our phone
Smoother then modded ics couse of fps and fluidity...ics and cm10 rock's on our phone,really no lag for days...

wals46 said:
@Scougar,
I'm very sorry for you.
I bought 2x on oct 2011, not for playing games as first goal, I have been happy with 20S (removing some unused system apps) for many months and now I am with 30B.
Good luck.
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lol, sorry for me? You shouldn't be, because I 'upgraded' to the EVO 3D, on an amazing sim-free deal for it, and it worked perfectly for me, without issue and had ICS for months before LG. I'm just considering coming back to the O2X as I really loved it apart from the lag. I would prefer to use a stock modded rom so that I get full functionality rather than fast performance and missing options.
I will keep my eyes open for one.. but they are pretty expensive for such an old phone (which is weird).

I am running CM10 on the new boot loader with custom kernel and its darn near perfect for me. Smooth as butter and battery life is as good as pure CM7 ROM.

Running on CM10 with ICS bootloader....It is very smooth & lag free for me
Link---http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2058231

Agreed,Stock ICS lags very bad,installed CM10 and the phone is damn smooth!

Scougar said:
lol, sorry for me? You shouldn't be, because I 'upgraded' to the EVO 3D, on an amazing sim-free deal for it, and it worked perfectly for me, without issue and had ICS for months before LG. I'm just considering coming back to the O2X as I really loved it apart from the lag. I would prefer to use a stock modded rom so that I get full functionality rather than fast performance and missing options.
I will keep my eyes open for one.. but they are pretty expensive for such an old phone (which is weird).
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Try stock ICS 30B and you'll be satisfied.
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jineeshmm said:
Running on CM10 with ICS bootloader....It is very smooth & lag free for me
Link---http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2058231
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No lags with stock LG ICS 30B, very smooth full functons and stable.
Maybe in some months we'll have a stable CM10.1; CM7 took at least six months to be a stable version (missing of some functions).
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