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Is there any software out there where you can connect to a secured wifi (and bypass the password) or hacking a wifi or something?
google kismet but it has nothing to do with this phone.
Retina by Eeye is the only one I know of (for PPC at least). Will allegedly crack WEP passwords.
Googling ends up with the following links (amongst others) -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=236630
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2037197
http://www.eeye.com/html/downloads/index.html
http://downloads.zdnet.com/search.aspx?kw=Retina+WiFi+Scanner+(Pocket+PC)
Hope that helps.
and cain and able, but on ppc its pointless
i tryed to get the Retina by Eeye but its asking me for a company email address. any have it already dl and want to email it to me?
Why would you want to steal a persons WIFi? That's illegal. To each is own but if the black suits come knocking at your door and hit you in the head with a billy club I'll say I told you so.
wont work on wm6 i think its written for older ppc2003 devices and the driver wil lbe the wrong one
if you want to test it pn me ^^
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Why would you want to steal a persons WIFi? That's illegal. To each is own but if the black suits come knocking at your door and hit you in the head with a billy club I'll say I told you so.
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i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
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i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
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First of all. You can go to jail, for hacking and hi-jacking your neighbor's wi-fi. It is totally ILLEGAL.
Second. Why not get yourself a 3G or 4G account with your phone company, and you can connect to the internet with your 3G.
yes its completely illegal in the states and you shouldn't do it. However if you don't care about breaking the law I don't see how it could be proven in court that you hijacked someones wifi with ur mobile device, and if it came down to it im sure cooking a new rom would delete any hidden data.
If I were you find other options. Like myself. I use my wifi at home and download all the necessary data i need for the day every morning. If i run into anything I need I simply go somewhere like a library or a coffee shop to access their wifi.
Take care and stay out of trouble.
mikeeey said:
i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
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In the UK it would come under the Misuse of Computers act 1990, in the section regarding unauthorised access to a secured computer system.
If I were using it, I would be trying to break into my own network to find out how easily someone else could achieve it.
Oh, and if you are using something like "The Cloud", I heard there was some sort of "Feature" whereby you could set up a proxy server (at home) on port 53 (DNS) and use it to connect out. All you then need to do is, when you're wanting to use the Cloud's wifi connection and you can't remember your details, change your proxy settings and away you go.
all i want to do is test my set up because my friend came over with his phone and got in to my secure wifi with out much a problem. so i just want to learn how to test my security for my wifi.
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all i want to do is test my set up because my friend came over with his phone and got in to my secure wifi with out much a problem. so i just want to learn how to test my security for my wifi.
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Why not ask your friends?
I think your friend must be using 3G network, which he can connect anywhere and anytime.
Interesting and related article from the UK....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4721723.stm
hi guys!
i guess everybody replyed with off topic posts; for sure the user knows it´s illegal, so why not help him instead of bugging him?
I´ve been searching on that subject and i found some interesting programs for ppc:
ministumbler
airscanner´s sniffer
WiFiFoFum
pocketwarrior
also you can check on this website: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ppchack
Cheers and happy wardriving!
Ev0luti0n_ said:
hi guys!
i guess everybody replyed with off topic posts; for sure the user knows it´s illegal, so why not help him instead of bugging him?
I´ve been searching on that subject and i found some interesting programs for ppc:
ministumbler
airscanner´s sniffer
WiFiFoFum
pocketwarrior
also you can check on this website: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ppchack
Cheers and happy wardriving!
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anyone got any of these to work yet?
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory
A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.
For example, Andy draws a floor plan of a bank, knowing of Dan's intention to rob it. After Dan commits the robbery, Alice agrees to let him store the stolen money at her house. Both Andy and Alice can be charged with aiding and abetting, or acting as accessories to the robbery.
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Is there any software out there where you can connect to a secured wifi (and bypass the password) or hacking a wifi or something?
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Of course, if those secure sites are using WPA, or better, WPA2 or a WPA-enterprise system, you're not going to simply sniff and crack a password. WEP is a rapidly dying standard, and for good reason.
Just saying, you may be going to a lot of effort for zero gain, unless you know for sure these are simple WEP-secured nodes.
And if nothing else, it's immoral - just like houses, people lock their doors to keep strangers out, and a stranger smashing open a window to get in deserves no aid in the act.
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...just like houses, people lock their doors to keep strangers out...
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However, let's think about this for a second or two...all the security and locks in the world only truly accomplish one thing...they keep the honest people honest.
The bottom line is this...if someone wants in, it doesn't matter how many highly-paid security guards you have walking the perimeter, they're gonna get in.
Where there's a will...
True, but an honest person needn't help that "someone" to commit their dishonest act.
But you are right, thus far at least, any security system created by humans has proven to be compromisable (is that a word ?) by humans.
Of course, WEP was just a bad design, right from the get-go...
Disclaimer: everything discussed here is for educational purpose only etc...
OK, so from June 12 this Hell act will take effect in UK, and downloading Torrents etc will become difficult, as ISPs to disclose details of customers who repeatedly infringe copyright, with a possible fine of £250,000 for non-compliance and requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement as well as disconnecting users from Internet etc...
more info @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
so, we all know we download Music and TV series etc...
how are we gonna protect our self from this ACT ?
Encryption is one idea, but encryption have to be done on both sides of the connection so this could be tricky....
any thought on the issue ?
Such ideas are preposterous, as they simply bypass Global Internet Neutrality.
IP-Spoofs and Proxies will always HELP protect the user, but the easiest way to prevent "being caught" if you're doing something you legally should not be, is to create a Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access, plus, if "Big Brother" were to kick down your door... Most Protected Virtual Machines (Example:: Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology) can take several months or years to "break into" for data... unless of course, you have the Key RIGHT THERE in hands reach.
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Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology) can take several months or years to "break into" for data...
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I'm not sure but aren't law enforcements have some sort of agreement with MS to have backdoor in to windows and BitLocker or something ? (maybe just a roomer i heard somewhere)
with IP-spoofing and Proxies, would that still not be traceable ? and also sow down connection badly ?
i mean when i in Russia i don't use any sort of proxies or anything just download things if Rapidshare and Pirate Bay as it is and i get good 1 or 2MB/s most of the time,
but in UK even now the Uni giving me the headache with their firewalls and WebSence...
i have to RDP all my downloads back in Russia and then send them as files to myself on like Microsoft Skydrive and other online hostings that Uni dosent block (Rapidshare and Depositfiles, iFolder are all blocked)
next year mm no longer living on campus and will have my own network contract with ISP and this D.E.2010ACT
worry me... I'm mean i on average download 30 - 40GB a week, that just on torrents...
one idea is to there a way to encrypt and tunnel all the Traffic form UK PC to Russia and back so ISP see nothing at all just flow of Encrypted data ? and how this can be achieved ?
and also what are the Chances of PirateBay and Utorrent incorporating some sort of Privacy features to it ? like utorrent have encryption but initial connection is still open
Well, honestly, due to Privacy Laws, unless a Windows User is a KNOWN convict, thief, or pedofile, allowing Law Enforcement backdoor access to ALL Windows Users is, again, violating Net Neutrality AND ones Privacy. Anyone and EVERYONE can be "violated" via malware.. and have their PC/Laptop turned into a Server for hosting & sharing illegal content, so there are SEVERAL conflicting issues with this.. atleast in the US. [As the user is not at fault. Their security software would be.] The same reason that most Professionals against the Digital Economy Act worry about Open Access Points.
And for Encrypting & Tunneling traffic, torrent sites, as well as other file sharing sites, would have to incorporate Server-Side Security. Massive 128 bit or even 256 bit encryption. Also, the user, us, would have to mirror the security methods these sites are using. So it would cause a "Worm Hole" through Internet Traffic Space.. thus making it look like the downloaded files came from no-where, and went no-where.
Such security and encryption methods could require several man-hours to "Up-Hold" as well as Maintain. So such an act could cause either Global Domain Dominance or the death of sites we all enjoy today.
AgentZach, I think you might want to brush up on your english skills. In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand. But I digress. Most of the law isn't all that bad, however, I'm troubled by this, "the requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement[4]." That could be a real issue. As for backdoor access, I'm pretty damn sure that violates multiple laws, plus how the hell would microsoft know what only you know?
Well, honestly, due to Privacy Laws, unless a Windows User is a KNOWN convict, thief, or pedofile, allowing Law Enforcement backdoor access to ALL Windows Users is, again, violating Net Neutrality AND ones Privacy
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How exactly does accessing someones files violate net neutrality law? It doesn't even currently exist, thanks to our beloved Bush administration, net neutrality is treating all traffic equally. Plus, even being a known criminal does not give law enforcement the right to search your personal things without a warrant of some fashion.
TLDR:
Don't use torrents without a vpn. ..Or the internet.
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AgentZach, I think you might want to brush up on your english skills. In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand. But I digress. Most of the law isn't all that bad, however, I'm troubled by this, "the requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement[4]." That could be a real issue. As for backdoor access, I'm pretty damn sure that violates multiple laws, plus how the hell would microsoft know what only you know?
How exactly does accessing someones files violate net neutrality law? It doesn't even currently exist, thanks to our beloved Bush administration, net neutrality is treating all traffic equally. Plus, even being a known criminal does not give law enforcement the right to search your personal things without a warrant of some fashion.
TLDR:
Don't use torrents without a vpn. ..Or the internet.
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GTFO. Who signs up just to be a smartass?
Plus, your TLDR didn't do anything except sum up what he was saying. With a tad bit of extra stupidity.
Oh, English IS ment to be capitalized. How are you going to insult someone's English and miss the most important word in the sentence. Rofflecakes.
In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand.
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In no way is "server" (don't reinvent the mistake, that's just sloppy) meant to be capitalized, and among with other clear mistakes, you are impossible to understand. (You didn't accidentally the whole thing, did you?)
I could go on, but you get the picture. Don't insult until you have the grounds to do so.
@ r3s-rt: Thanks for putting your boot up his/her ass.
I admit, I was half asleep when I typed that up... as it was 3AM my time, and I had a long Mothers Day with my family. I expected flaws, but as long as my main points were said correctly, "spelling & capitalization correct or not - sorry Adolf" I think I've shard my opinion.
The important thing is: Users, who intend to break the law on the internet, must lose their solo dependency for Security Suite software, and start learning how encryption and Virtual Private Networks work, as a whole. It's not only their ass they'll be saving. They'll be saving all of the rest of a torrents "seeders" who haven't stepped-up their games yet...
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@ r3s-rt: Thanks for putting your boot up his/her ass.
I admit, I was half asleep when I typed that up... as it was 3AM my time, and I had a long Mothers Day with my family. I expected flaws, but as long as my main points were said correctly, "spelling & capitalization correct or not - sorry Adolf" I think I've shard my opinion.
The important thing is: Users, who intend to break the law on the internet, must lose their solo dependency for Security Suite software, and start learning how encryption and Virtual Private Networks work, as a whole. It's not only their ass they'll be saving. They'll be saving all of the rest of a torrents "seeders" who haven't stepped-up their games yet...
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No problem, I can't stand people who attack other people and then make the same mistake their attacking. Plus, who cares if your English is exactly perfect? As long as it's READABLE. That's the only time English becomes a problem.
u r wanna hlo me donload dis new gme but frum whr i unno?
lolwat?
I've always wondered one thing. I don't know much exactly how they work - I just know I need protection.
People who download and don't seed.... do they even have a chance at getting caught? I honestly wouldn't figure they would. Maybe for like.... 20 min they have a chance then what? Do they just disappear? I use a site where you actually have to keep an upload/download ratio just for the reason I hate leeches.
Also, stay away from public torrent sites is probably a good idea. THOSE are the ones they get all your info from.
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I've always wondered one thing. I don't know much exactly how they work - I just know I need protection.
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For "Basic" security and encryption, without much manual handling, I'd recommend using either Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 or Norton Internet Security 2010 (or 360 v4).
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People who download and don't seed.... do they even have a chance at getting caught? I honestly wouldn't figure they would. Maybe for like.... 20 min they have a chance then what? Do they just disappear? I use a site where you actually have to keep an upload/download ratio just for the reason I hate leeches.
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Well, getting caught, without seeding, varies upon the host/torrent site. Private Sites like Demonoid save logs for User Ratio data... and that Ratio data includes your IP Address you use when downloading & uploading torrents. Now if you were to use a Proxy, you may get a tad bit slower connection speed, but your TRUE IP Address would be "spoofed" to the Proxy IP. In other words, the host of the Proxy would be investigated, not you.
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Also, stay away from public torrent sites is probably a good idea. THOSE are the ones they get all your info from.
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Good idea, and true. Most public trackers display all seeding & leeching data to anyone interested.. but the same goes as I've said above. Proxies may cut your speeds, but does speed really have more importance than your personal safety & privacy?
I'll leave that for you all to decide.
To be a smartass ain't why I signed up, and sorry if it seemed that way. Since you want to be a douche I'll speak your language - at least my TLDR made some sense, unlike his entire post.
But while we're on the topic of stupidity;
"Global Internet Neutrality
IP-Spoofs
Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access
Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology"
Just what is this "Global internet neutrality"? We're having a hard enough time trying to hold on to such in our OWN country, and other countries have none, so- doesn't exist.
"IP spoofs"- ANY idea how the internet actually works? Not possible to just arbitrarily IP spoof, you need special conditions.
"Private Domain"? Hurf durf, what? How's it work, what IS it?
"a virtual machine due to the odd ports they use for internet access"? WHAT are you takling about, have you ever actually USED a VM? Going by that comment I doubt it. I give up.
I can tell I'm talking to an avid 4chan lover. Good luck finding anyone who can understand what he's saying, I personally left my decoder ring at home.
Stop trying so hard, get enough sleep and have some caffeine, it'll do you good and you just may come across as halfway coherent next time. And maybe try to stop using large words on the net, because you're doing it totally out of context (which makes you look stupider than i'd like to believe you are)
The English syntax really wasn't the issue here, just that it was way off base and incomprehensible. Don't talk about something unless you have at least a BASIC idea of how it works. The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly. Private torrent sites are overrated and just not worth it- keeping a ratio mostly requires a seedbox so you don't get banned.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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To be a smartass ain't why I signed up, and sorry if it seemed that way. Since you want to be a douche I'll speak your language - at least my TLDR made some sense, unlike his entire post.
But while we're on the topic of stupidity;
"Global Internet Neutrality
IP-Spoofs
Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access
Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology"
Just what is this "Global internet neutrality"? We're having a hard enough time trying to hold on to such in our OWN country, and other countries have none, so- doesn't exist.
"IP spoofs"- ANY idea how the internet actually works? Not possible to just arbitrarily IP spoof, you need special conditions.
"Private Domain"? Hurf durf, what? How's it work, what IS it?
"a virtual machine due to the odd ports they use for internet access"? WHAT are you takling about, have you ever actually USED a VM? Going by that comment I doubt it. I give up.
I can tell I'm talking to an avid 4chan lover. Good luck finding anyone who can understand what he's saying, I personally left my decoder ring at home.
Stop trying so hard, get enough sleep and have some caffeine, it'll do you good and you just may come across as halfway coherent next time. And maybe try to stop using large words on the net, because you're doing it totally out of context (which makes you look stupider than i'd like to believe you are)
The English syntax really wasn't the issue here, just that it was way off base and incomprehensible. Don't talk about something unless you have at least a BASIC idea of how it works. The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly. Private torrent sites are overrated and just not worth it- keeping a ratio mostly requires a seedbox so you don't get banned.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality - lol. Wow, kid. Get on Google if you don't know what something is. =]
Proxies - Safer than using your regular IP, genius. If they weren't, we wouldn't use them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_privacy - Again, you NEED to Google.
About the seeding - we have a leech! Private sites ARE worth it. If you were even worthy to get an invite, you'd know. Let me guess, the most private site you know is Demonoid. *chuckle*
Avid 4chaner? Only a real /b/rother would be able to tell that.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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You are COMPLETELY retarded. If I wanted to brick my phone, I'd flash a nasty spl or a nasty radio or Danger SPL before a compatible radio with an imcompatible recovery. IF you knew ANYTHING about rooting as you say you do, you would understand that. You'd also know you are considered an idiot if you brick your phone. I think you just earned a spot in my signature as "worlds dumbest quote."
Little kids need to get off the internet and go to bed, mommy would be very mad if she discovered the bad words you were using.
Now, how about you stop trying to start a flame war and just shut up? You already look VERY stupid along with a tad bit pathetic.
The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly.
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Didn't they do a bust down on a lot of college students? Yea, THOSE are our "main seeders." ROFL. Moron. They go after anyone they can get a hand on if they consider it worthy of an actual lawsuit. You'd know this if you ever read news.
Point blank, please stop throwing up in threads like you even know something. EVERYTHING you've said so far is either WRONG or STUPID. The last thing we need at xda are more idiots. :/ Please, gtfo.
Ohhhh, your TLDR said EXACTLY what he said in layman's terms. He at least has the brains to explain what he's saying. You just copy what he said and tried to make it look like your own. Sorry, bro, just don't respond. You've already dug too deep.
I have no idea what he just said. He just typed up about 200 words of pointless garbage... and wasted a post in this thread.
Officially, just from reading the first 10 words, I got dumber.
And once again, thanx r3s-rt for translating my words into "retard-speak" for him. It seems even the "dumbed down" version of my posts are too complex for him to understand.
LOL @ your links. Maybe he'll learn something new today.
Guys please - we're getting to the stage of - stop the agro or it's close it time - and I've got enough guys on my watch list without adding more!
Mike
My apologies.
Ditto.
10 char. :X
Perhaps the MPAA and RIAA should give up their tirades--after all, the United States has the lowest piracy rate of any country in the world, at just 20 percent.
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So it seems not so bad. Either the US really does have the lowest Piracy percentage in the world... or the US Pirates are just a tad more secure.
Read HERE.
r3s-rt said:
I just know I need protection.
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Use a condom???
flyboyovyick said:
Use a condom???
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Lame but funny
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So it seems not so bad. Either the US really does have the lowest Piracy percentage in the world... or the US Pirates are just a tad more secure.
Read HERE.
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Wow. I would have figured it would have been the HIGHEST. If not, at least towards the top of the list. o.o
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Use a condom???
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I'm not a tory supporter (Voted Lib Dem for what it is worth) but we can hope this is true
Damn it, I'm not allowed to post any links but Techradar is reporting that the conservatives may well ditch the entire thing which we can hope is true
Greetings all, hope the weekend is going smashing for everyone. As we all know, B&N has been very... lax (obvious) in their promises to update the NC with more user-friendly capabilities. For lack of a better phrase, I've had enough. Today, 2-26-11, I sent B&N a rather abrasive email in the hopes to start some form of open discussion, express my opinion, and inform them that they've got some 'splainin' to do.
Below is the email I sent, although I have edited my name and phone number that I included, for security purposes. As a note, if the email I receive in return uses the phrase "we are working on it as fast as we can," "please be patient," or some other pandering jargon, I do plan to resend this every Saturday until I either receive a response that has some weight behind it, or receive a Cease and Desist writ from them.
Why? For the simple fact that I want them to keep their promise and provide us, the user, with the better experience that we are requesting.
I will continue to update this thread with any following information that comes my way.
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Hi, I'm curious as to when or, rather, if there is going to be an update to the Nook Color OS before the end of 2011 Q1. The reason why I'm asking is because if your company is having a hard time developing the update, there are people out there who have managed to make the NC more responsive, more usable, and give it a better feel than the overly simplistic, infantile-esque UI that it currently has. I'm also asking, because I purchased the NC for my wife and I under the assumption (as did many others, apparently) that your company would be prompt with updates, bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet".
Honestly, while I know I can't return it to get my money back, I'm seriously considering selling it so I can get something that simply runs the Nook app, as it works better than the shoddily-thrown-together program running on the NC.
Make up your mind, please. Either show us some proof that you are planning on doing an update before the end of March, or just fess up already and let people stop getting their hopes up. After all, if visibly empty promises is what your company is good for, then why am I continuing to support you with my business?
~Trey Miller
(850) 555-5555
Avid student, reader, writer, and severely disgruntled customer
Saved for whatever happens later.
Wow... honestly i think that letter is the worst thing ive read. Honestly, i dont care that they havent updated it. Its rather a blessing how unlocked they left the device. Fact of the matter is that the Nook is a eReader, a highly over powered eReader, that they built and developed ontop of the android system for the ease of use and not having to build a entire custom OS.
Honestly the nook color is the best 250 ive spent in a long time. If i wanted a "tablet" i would have bought a gtab or galaxy. Its pretty common practice for companies nowadays to delay updating software. Honestly why update software when 1: it works.. pretty well too 2: technology is moving faster then software. why update a outdated device?
Its up to you and me and the android developers to keep old devices updated with new and fun software. Thats why so many developers do what they do without making a income off it while spending hours and hours on it. In the end, Barnes and Noble is a business that needs money and updating the nook is not going to bring in the big bucks, if any at all.
Sent from one of those missing Droids or Nook Color on HoneyComb
Your letter.
I assume in part you posted this here because you want feedback.
First, I am in no way affiliated with B&N. I am a user just like you.
I am extremely happy with the Nook.
I like it precisely because they made left it (probably unintentionaly) booting first to the SD.
This in turn has allowed the devs wide open to make bootable images that can be written to the sd.
I believe the company made some forward looking statements that said they wanted to do more with the device. So far in three months, they have released 3 builds. That's actually remarkable when you consider that unlike the developers here, they have to release rock solid well tested stable builds.
Nookie Froyo is really nice. No doubt CM7 and Honeycomb will soon be also...but in the end they both have more problems than an average user could reasonably accept.
Given that their system is so remarkably open, it is my opinion that there is really no better tablet in the ballpark of it on the price.
As a computer professional, I actualy recommended to my friends on facebook, thst they send B&N execs valentines heart candies expressing unending love.
At the end of the day, in my book, they need not hurry because they have given us the best of both worlds.
Take away the boot order....and I never would have bought it at all.
Meenwhile, at apple, they are taking the walled garden to a whole new level....which can only push up prices 30%....
You'll probably get the standard "Thank you for your email, we're working as has as we can email." Even if they were going to send a real email back, what are they going to respond to? Give specific examples of what your issues you have. "bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet"", doesn't really mean anything.
Why does it matter how their UI is when you can put whatever UI on the thing when its rooted.
I took an hour and some odd time to drive to work and think about what I would say to the two of you in response to your statements.
For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
I fully respect the people here and everywhere else that have put so much time into making the device use more of its potential-- as you'll notice in my sig-line, I'm running a rooted NC-- but my entire point was, and still is, either they need to change their tune, or they need to provide something other than a "we'll be with you in a moment" statement.
Fattychance, I agree with you completely that it is a remarkable speed by which they are working. However, the people here on XDA have managed to, as you say, produce Nookie Froyo, are working on Honeycomb, etc etc, in the same time. If nothing else, the actual B&N dev team could take a page or thirty out of these lads' books and get some stuff done.
However, again, you have missed my point; both of you have.
I'm not looking for a tablet, or more "wow factor" or anything of that sort. They've got a rather infantile UI *thrown* on top of 2.1 as their reader software. Would it hurt to address that singular problem? Hell, as I mentioned, the nook apk runs smoother than their nook UI.
I admit, this looks like I'm simply whining about things I don't like. You know what? I don't care. I've seen more posts on these forums that focus on complaining to the dev teams here about how slow work is being done. I'm at least focusing on the people who get *paid* to do this, and asking "Where's the beef?" Where is the work you lot are promising is "just around the corner"?
Three months is more than enough for them to upgrade from eclair to froyo, give the device the few added things people were promised from day one. Am I asking too much? Hell no. I'm asking them to do their job.
why do you even care? with a little effort you can run pretty much anything on it. if others dont want to then so be it, thanks to the wonderful devs, the options are there. so why even waste your time writing letters and arguing with people on here. Barnes and Nobles did a great job with the NC. great hardware and an amazing cost. Dont harras them out of boredom.
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why do you even care? with a little effort you can run pretty much anything on it. if others dont want to then so be it, thanks to the wonderful devs, the options are there. so why even waste your time writing letters and arguing with people on here. Barnes and Nobles did a great job with the NC. great hardware and an amazing cost. Dont harras them out of boredom.
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Madfatter, why do I even care? Because my daddy always taught me that if you say something, you keep your word. Why should they (meaning B&N) be any different? Also, the nice thing about my job is that I've got this nifty thing called "free time" that comes along with the whole graveyard shift work, so I'm not even wasting my time. However, it's not just that, it's also the fact that, not everyone who owns an NC even comprehends what rooting means. I'm speaking for them, not for you and me and everyone else that is a techie.
I'm confused. You want something that runs the Nook app? So why don't you root it and run the Nook app on top of a normal Android ROM?
I have to agree with others here.. why do you care, I see you have rooted you Nook Color. Do you prefer (or are waiting on) that B&N deliver something better that what you can have? Get real,... is you rooted NC not enough? B&N does books, and quite well I might add, they don't do tablets. Although they do seem to have out done everyone else.
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I'm confused. You want something that runs the Nook app? So why don't you root it and run the Nook app on top of a normal Android ROM?
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't? Like I told madfatter, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for every person out there that either doesn't have the knowledge of how to root, doesn't have the courage to take the chance at bricking their device, or simply wants to hold the company accountable for a promise they made.
I posted this here because, as a community, XDA is supposed to be not only here to push tech to its limits and beyond, but also to get the most out of the tech. Well, I'm trying to get the most out of the tech for people who aren't ever going to root.
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I took an hour and some odd time to drive to work and think about what I would say to the two of you in response to your statements.
For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
I fully respect the people here and everywhere else that have put so much time into making the device use more of its potential-- as you'll notice in my sig-line, I'm running a rooted NC-- but my entire point was, and still is, either they need to change their tune, or they need to provide something other than a "we'll be with you in a moment" statement.
Fattychance, I agree with you completely that it is a remarkable speed by which they are working. However, the people here on XDA have managed to, as you say, produce Nookie Froyo, are working on Honeycomb, etc etc, in the same time. If nothing else, the actual B&N dev team could take a page or thirty out of these lads' books and get some stuff done.
However, again, you have missed my point; both of you have.
I'm not looking for a tablet, or more "wow factor" or anything of that sort. They've got a rather infantile UI *thrown* on top of 2.1 as their reader software. Would it hurt to address that singular problem? Hell, as I mentioned, the nook apk runs smoother than their nook UI.
I admit, this looks like I'm simply whining about things I don't like. You know what? I don't care. I've seen more posts on these forums that focus on complaining to the dev teams here about how slow work is being done. I'm at least focusing on the people who get *paid* to do this, and asking "Where's the beef?" Where is the work you lot are promising is "just around the corner"?
Three months is more than enough for them to upgrade from eclair to froyo, give the device the few added things people were promised from day one. Am I asking too much? Hell no. I'm asking them to do their job.
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they have a UI built for putting shortcuts to your books and magazines on your homescreens so you have easy access to your favorite books or favorite magazine, their reader UI is simple and easy to use and their music player although isnt the best music player out there it gets the job done. the average user wouldnt need any more than that and imo they did a pretty good job at turning android 2.1 into an ereader OS
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Madfatter, why do I even care? Because my daddy always taught me that if you say something, you keep your word. Why should they (meaning B&N) be any different? Also, the nice thing about my job is that I've got this nifty thing called "free time" that comes along with the whole graveyard shift work, so I'm not even wasting my time. However, it's not just that, it's also the fact that, not everyone who owns an NC even comprehends what rooting means. I'm speaking for them, not for you and me and everyone else that is a techie.
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i agree with you in that aspect that they should keep their word but i also disagree with the fact they they should update it to froyo or add anything to the user experience
non techies dont need these features in an ereader if its anything they(meaning B&N) should just fix bugs in their system
if they update it to froyo they will be requested to include flash 10.1 and all other goodies froyo includes and that can actually degrade the user experience more than enhance it
flash although necessary for a full web browsing experience it isnt required for a good one
flash kills battery faster than anything else even on wifi(steve jobs got this one right) and it can slow down your device big time(although it might not happen it still is a possibility)
if you want to request a feature for the average user you should request a youtube app or something, non techies will love youtube capabilities on their ereader and the youtube app will not degrade the user experience one bit
and i apologize for my grammar but i really dont care about grammar because this is the internet and on the internet grammar doesnt matter
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't? Like I told madfatter, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for every person out there that either doesn't have the knowledge of how to root, doesn't have the courage to take the chance at bricking their device, or simply wants to hold the company accountable for a promise they made.
I posted this here because, as a community, XDA is supposed to be not only here to push tech to its limits and beyond, but also to get the most out of the tech. Well, I'm trying to get the most out of the tech for people who aren't ever going to root.
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again to people who dont root, its an ereader NOT a tablet
compare the NC to the Nook or the kindle feature to feature and i can guarantee you that the nook color has the most features for the tech
it has alot of unnessary features for an ereader but it has them so it can be the best in its category(ereader)
if you look at some reviews of this device you will notice that they all say that this device is a great contender to an actual tablet
Like I said, I'm not doing this for me, but for those that either don't know how, or don't want to take the risk. Yes, Flash is a battery-waster, a youtube apk would work good, etc etc. I'm not asking them to go out and re-invent the wheel, I'm just asking them to do what they said they would do. If all they do is make the UI a little less glitchy, update where you can load your own books and files onto the main screen, and toss a youtube app on there, I'll be proud as punch, happy as a pig in slop, take your pick at sayings.
As for your grammar luigi, I have no problem with it. I was merely calling him on his statement of "worst thing ever read".
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't?
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The fact that I'm not a mind-reader. Also, the way you worded your original post implies that you haven't. You said you're not looking for a tablet, but rather a single-purpose device. But that's not the point. If you're not happy with it, sell it. Most people are. We like that it's open and can be turned into a cheap multi-purpose tablet. There's a fine line between showing dissatisfaction and insult. Typing up a grammatically correct email that insults the developers is not the way to go about it. I hope you realize that they still have your money, whether or not you decide to sell it. So you might as well make use of it.
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Like I said, I'm not doing this for me, but for those that either don't know how, or don't want to take the risk. Yes, Flash is a battery-waster, a youtube apk would work good, etc etc. I'm not asking them to go out and re-invent the wheel, I'm just asking them to do what they said they would do. If all they do is make the UI a little less glitchy, update where you can load your own books and files onto the main screen, and toss a youtube app on there, I'll be proud as punch, happy as a pig in slop, take your pick at sayings.
As for your grammar luigi, I have no problem with it. I was merely calling him on his statement of "worst thing ever read".
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again i also agree that they should update their ui but not to really add features but to fix glitches and bugs(maybe add a youtube app but im running honeycomb so this doesnt affect me to much due to me already having youtube capabilities) and about the load your own books point
if they allowed a user to do that they will lose money
now i dont know if they are selling the nook at a negative or at a positive income but i do know that their intention is to sell B&N books to users using the nook color, and allowing people to side load books onto their device means that pirates can load free books on their nook and use the nook app to read a book B&N had no profit on(im not saying everyone is a pirate but this gives the people who are the freedom to do so) so from a business stand point that would be a bad idea
now i do understand why this would be a requested feature but even if you had kindle books you bought if you could side load them whats stopping you from just buying kindle books and using it on your nook instead of buying B&N books
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For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
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I may have missed something, but I did go and re-read Alitmax98's reply to you, and didn't see anything mentioning your grasp of the English language. I believe he was referring to the content of your letter, not the grammar or formatting. That would be petty. On a related note, I didn't see anything grammatically wrong with his which would warrant your criticism either.
You seem overly sensitive. It's always nice when a company does what they say, but your letter does come across as if your Nook is an unusable paperweight with the potential to harm children. It's really not that bad.
I suggest you take a deep breath, download a nice book, and relax. If you really want to take someone to task, go buy a Samsung Moment from Sprint...then your rage will be justified.
Hexapus, *chuckle* I appreciate your response. I fully admit that my email was rather prickly and hostile, hell I admit it in the first post. As to the english language, I purposefully 'misunderstood' it, as I have a low threshold for people who claim that an email is worse than some pieces of sellable "fiction" (Twilight, anyone?). The fact of the matter is, everyone and their neighbor is blowing words of adoration up B&N's collective arse for the reader, and anyone who complains is told to either suck it up or shove off. The entire purpose for the email was to get them to know that there was at least one voice out there that was saying, "Okay, I see what you have, but you promised all this other stuff, too. So what the hell is up?"
Is it unusable? To some extent, yes. I'm not talking about how it won't do my paperwork, feed me, and tuck me in (I suppose it *could* do all those, but whoever created the apk would have to be shot), I'm talking about how, every once in a while, I'd like to have a piece of technology that *doesn't* require me to have to rewrite the system just to make it work up to spec.
Luigi, you bring up a very good point about sideloaded pirated books. Although let me put this to you, if you're concerned that a person is going to sideload a book onto an open device that is easily rooted so that you can run the kindle apk along side the nook apk, not to mention half a dozen other things, and whatever else you might throw on there, your line of logic is just a little, mmm, off kilter.
But hey, whatevs. I'm going radio silent until I get a response either way. If anyone else wants to criticize me for speaking up, that's your perogative. Just as it's my perogative to call you an ignorant greedy arse for not thinking about those people who won't or can't root.
Everyone has a right to their opinion but not everyone is right all the time.
The users that aren't ready to put Nookie on an SD card...need that dumbed down UI.
Even if when they open up an app store and move to honeycomb...they will probably keep the UI crippled.
They aren't telling lies and they made it nice for those of us with the skills to do something more with it. It's really such a rare thing to have happen.
I want the Nook held up as an example of openness that helps fuel creativity and progress.
Does the tab have Honeycomb yet? Gingerbread?
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Hi, I'm curious as to when or, rather, if there is going to be an update to the Nook Color OS before the end of 2011 Q1. The reason why I'm asking is because if your company is having a hard time developing the update, there are people out there who have managed to make the NC more responsive, more usable, and give it a better feel than the overly simplistic, infantile-esque UI that it currently has. I'm also asking, because I purchased the NC for my wife and I under the assumption (as did many others, apparently) that your company would be prompt with updates, bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet".
Honestly, while I know I can't return it to get my money back, I'm seriously considering selling it so I can get something that simply runs the Nook app, as it works better than the shoddily-thrown-together program running on the NC.
Make up your mind, please. Either show us some proof that you are planning on doing an update before the end of March, or just fess up already and let people stop getting their hopes up. After all, if visibly empty promises is what your company is good for, then why am I continuing to support you with my business?
~Trey Miller
(850) 555-5555
Avid student, reader, writer, and severely disgruntled customer
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For starter, the NC is an eReader, and it is just functioning fine. Their app is amazing and work as expected.
What you did after rooting it is your problem, not NC. If you complaint that it doesn't work like a true tablet, then I have news for you. It is NOT.
If you need a tablet that function like it is a tablet out of the package, then go get a Xoom.
Trey,
Thanks for your post as it obviously got people thinking. The answers you seek are on the BN developer boards. I think they said June for the app store and software update. I know many non power users on Android and many of them hate it. The reason is, it does not function as well consistently as people expect it to. With the Nook, it does. This is important to many users and worth a wait in theirs and Barnes and Noble's mind. When the update comes, it will make the device smootther and give it more features. The froyo and Gingerbread ports here though wonderful, do not make it more stable. They have good devs, but I am not sure they are as good as the ones here. All this equates to more time for them to get it right. Our nagging will not speed up the process. You did buy a tablet from a company that makes books after all. If you want speedy updates, buy one from a computer company. Only, don't buy an Archos, they are notoriously slow with updates. On a lighter note, BN must have done something right. Look how much the interface of Honeycomb looks like the BN interface.
I haven't found anything yet to satisfy this requirement so I'm asking for re-inforcement here. My requirements are:
1) Install a client on my kids PC that will be password protected so that it can't be uninstalled and which will allow the following:
2) Allow administration tool both on PC and Android device to remotely view the state of the PC (ON/OFF) and what it currently does (specific website visited, application being used, etc.) as well as to remotely shutdown and view screenshot.
3) I want this to be accessible not only from LAN (like netsupport) but also from Internet via 3G.
So far, I haven't found anything to satisfy this requirement. If anyone knows of any tool to do this well, it's more that welcome to recommend.
Why not just setup a keylogger and have the logs sent directly to your phone's email, granted it won't give you the access you want but everything will be visible.
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Why not just setup a keylogger and have the logs sent directly to your phone's email, granted it won't give you the access you want but everything will be visible.
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Thanks.
I don'r need that kind of control. I only need to know if the PC is ON and be able to swtch it OFF remotely when I want and just know what my son is doing at that time. i.e. playing games, watching youtube videos, etc.
I have used similar tools but none of them can provide all the requirements in one tool.
I have used OpenDNS and Norton Family online to control his hours and allowed sites to visit but I can't do the rest. I believe there must be an application like that because what I ask is simple and there are more complex tools available already.
So TeamViewer is what you need.
alternatively you could stop playing stalin to your kids
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So TeamViewer is what you need.
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nope, teamviewer is a remote desktop control application. Nothing similar to what I am looking for.
I'm looking something like netsupport but simpler.
frozenblade said:
alternatively you could stop playing stalin to your kids
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+1 had the same thought reading this thread.
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+1 had the same thought reading this thread.
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How old are you? do you have kids? I bet not otherwise you wouldn't think like that. When you do have kids you'll want to control the time they spent on the computer as well as the sites they visit and it's not a metter of playing Stalin or the diictator. It's a matter of manipulating their habbits and discipline.
However, that's another story and everyone can have their opinion so let's not discuss this here because it will be a non-ending story of social nature and other people here are not interested.
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How old are you? do you have kids? I bet not otherwise you wouldn't think like that. When you do have kids you'll want to control the time they spent on the computer as well as the sites they visit and it's not a metter of playing Stalin or the diictator. It's a matter of manipulating their habbits and discipline.
However, that's another story and everyone can have their opinion so let's not discuss this here because it will be a non-ending story of social nature and other people here are not interested.
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Sorry i didnt mean any offence, im sure your a great parent, it just comes across a tad OTT. (not that thats a bad thing) anyway back on topic, i think you may need a small laptop or netbook to fullfill your requirements, as i havent see an android application that can do what you want
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Hi andreasy. I have an 3 years old little girl and I know that one day I'll need a kind of control of this. I'm planning to have a small linux proxy on my home net to block sites by hour/user/blacklist etc... but, I'm a Net. Admin and it's a simple job (to me).
Maybe you are searching on wrong places. Or you want a not yet developed software.
I'll do a little research to see if i can find anything abou this.
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Sorry i didnt mean any offence, im sure your a great parent, it just comes across a tad OTT. (not that thats a bad thing) anyway back on topic, i think you may need a small laptop or netbook to fullfill your requirements, as i havent see an android application that can do what you want
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Don't worry my friend. I didn't take it as offense in the first place. Everybody can express their opinion and we just discuss here. Thanks.
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Hi andreasy. I have an 3 years old little girl and I know that one day I'll need a kind of control of this. I'm planning to have a small linux proxy on my home net to block sites by hour/user/blacklist etc... but, I'm a Net. Admin and it's a simple job (to me).
Maybe you are searching on wrong places. Or you want a not yet developed software.
I'll do a little research to see if i can find anything abou this.
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Well I am a systems engineer as well and I was also thinking the gateway thing, but then I decided that I don't want an extra device in my home for this. Anyway, I solved the parental (inapropriate content) issue with OpenDNS and Norton family (Try them, they are free) and I was also considering Child Control which I evaluated in the past and it's quite cheap to buy. Now my only issue is that my son abuses the time policy and finds ways to bypass Norton Family rules.
Anyway, I guess the truth is your second point. "not yet developed software."
Thanks anyway.
I'll live with some scripts I wrote then which I'll have to make better.
i guess this might help u http://softwareforme.com/?page_id=6
Privacy experts 'roast' Kindle Fire for 'watching you' online - worse than Google OR Facebook
One of the most unexpected features of Amazon's new Kindle Fire was that it shipped with an all-new web browser, Amazon Silk - speeded up '20 times' by the power of Amazon's 'cloud' computing servers.
But the processes the Kindle Fire uses to 'speed things up' are already setting off privacy alarm bells.
British security company Sophos's Chester Wisniewski wrote in a blog, 'If you think Google AdWords and Facebook are watching you, this service is guaranteed to have a record of EVERYTHING you do on the web.'
'Every page they see, every link they follow, every click they make, every ad they see is going to be intermediated by one of the largest server farms on the planet.'
'People who cringe at the privacy and data-mining implications of the Facebook Timeline ought to be just floored by the magnitude of Amazon’s opportunity here.' -Chris Espinosa, a senior employee at Apple
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Looks like Amazon isn't just going after the Barnes and Noble market, but also Facebook's corner on sales of customer information to marketing companies. I think after Amazon has a captive audience, there is a distinct possibility that in the future the company will block unless a subscription fee is paid for accelerated Silk access to "non-approved" sites.
I know there will always be people that say "I don't have anything to hide" but fortunately the majority of people do not share the same nonchalant exhibitionist attitude and value privacy.
After reading this, I would definitely never buy an AF.
You know they also announced you could shut it off, right? If you are concerned with them watching you, disable it and use the browser normally.
Yep, your porn viewing habits shall be safe with a simple flick of a switch...
Now grandma catching you doing things in your skivvies ... well now, that's an entirely different issue.
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You know they also announced you could shut it off, right? If you are concerned with them watching you, disable it and use the browser normally.
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Did you read the article?
Users who are seriously worried about the power of Amazon's cloud to track, watch and deliver advertising can simply turn the split-browser function off - although the company warns that this will slow things down.
And there goes the 20x browser speed.
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Did you read the article?
Users who are seriously worried about the power of Amazon's cloud to track, watch and deliver advertising can simply turn the split-browser function off - although the company warns that this will slow things down.
And there goes the 20x browser speed.
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Are you just trying to complain for the sake of complaining? If you want the speed boost provided by the caching you'll have to be okay with Amazon having access to your browsing history because that's the way caching works(guess what? your ISP already has that access, so it's not really a loss of privacy).
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Are you just trying to complain for the sake of complaining? If you want the speed boost provided by the caching you'll have to be okay with Amazon having access to your browsing history because that's the way caching works(guess what? your ISP already has that access, so it's not really a loss of privacy).
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I did not know that I am required to submit my opinions to you before posting them here or be subject to your personal attacks. You have my insincerest apologies.
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Did you read the article?
Users who are seriously worried about the power of Amazon's cloud to track, watch and deliver advertising can simply turn the split-browser function off - although the company warns that this will slow things down.
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Facebook, google and, pretty much every other company tracks your data too. It's really not anything new.
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I don't think it'll be any worse them what google already does with Android.
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Kind of sad that everyone is okay with this... I mean I understand, it's already been done by other companies so...-- so what?
But it just feels dirty that everyone is okay with this... Just another step being taken towards to losing our freedoms and privacy, oh well.
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Kind of sad that everyone is okay with this... I mean I understand, it's already been done by other companies so...-- so what?
But it just feels dirty that everyone is okay with this... Just another step being taken towards to losing our freedoms and privacy, oh well.
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There is no such thing as privacy in the digital age. If you have a cell phone you can be tracked at all times(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/business/media/26privacy.html), if you watch digital cable/Netflix/Hulu someone knows what you are watching at all times, credit/debt card there is a record of everything you buy, Facebook/MySpace/Dating websites... and so-on, son-on, etc, etc...
Anyway, in the case of Amazons silk browser, you can turn off the caching and use it like a regular browser if you have "privacy concerns", so there is absolutely no reason to raise an alarm here and run after Amazon with pitch forks and fire.
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There is no such thing as privacy in the digital age. If you have a cell phone you can be tracked at all times(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/business/media/26privacy.html), if you watch digital cable/Netflix/Hulu someone knows what you are watching at all times, credit/debt card there is a record of everything you buy, Facebook/MySpace/Dating websites... and so-on, son-on, etc, etc...
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Big BROTHER is alive and well...Orwell was a genius!!!
joenathane said:
There is no such thing as privacy in the digital age. If you have a cell phone you can be tracked at all times(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/business/media/26privacy.html), if you watch digital cable/Netflix/Hulu someone knows what you are watching at all times, credit/debt card there is a record of everything you buy, Facebook/MySpace/Dating websites... and so-on, son-on, etc, etc...
Anyway, in the case of Amazons silk browser, you can turn off the caching and use it like a regular browser if you have "privacy concerns", so there is absolutely no reason to raise an alarm here and run after Amazon with pitch forks and fire.
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And I understand this, nor do I think Amazon should be punished for it. Merely stating that the future is a scary thing and little by little -- we are accepting these terms for "safety" reasons.
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And I understand this, nor do I think Amazon should be punished for it. Merely stating that the future is a scary thing and little by little -- we are accepting these terms for "safety" reasons.
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But most that complain are the ones that want the simplicity and speed that giving up those "freedom" (as called by others) and "safety" provides us.
People want speed... along came cookies so information you had to enter to get the site info was already saved....
People wanted more speed... so along came caching of sites and data... so next time you wanted access it was readily available... (this is what proxy servers initially did)
People wanted even more speed and "safety"... proxy servers were modified and hacked to make "Big Brother" think you were accessing a site from somewhere else...
Fast Forward to today... Internet use has boomed... along with it people are learning more.... SORT OF...
MOST people only understand enough for the alarms to go off in their heads when they see someone advertise they are proxying items to increase speed.
When they proxy a previous site what they are doing is storing a page that was accessed so next time someone wants that page they can save however hops on the internet it takes to get to that page... sometimes as many as 30 hops...
NOTE: a "hop" is a device on the internet that routes the data traffic to the next device to eventually get to the information requested by the user.
I find it ironic that an Apple exec was complaining - that's rich:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/20/apple-iphone-users-beware-location-tracking/
Imbroglio said:
I did not know that I am required to submit my opinions to you before posting them here or be subject to your personal attacks. You have my insincerest apologies.
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It wasn't a personal attack it was a simple counter point, stop being butt hurt.
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BTW, you guys know that Skyfire and Opera have done this for a long time already, right? Same caveats, they're seeing your data traffic etc.